PW and JW depature

[Anonymous]

Positive are you f ing joking the NSM left and he probably knows we are all going to get the shaft soon in one way or another. Looking to get out why not PW and JW did not think twice .

[Anonymous]

All I can say is good luck boys, it's been a good run. Oh yeah, and does cvp have any openings in my area?!!

[Anonymous]

All I can say is good luck boys, it's been a good run. Oh yeah, and does cvp have any openings in my area?!!


CVP is a lower tier Derm company bottom feeder. Maybe something may happen with the 3M products but it's risky at best. You are talking about a bs Derm company trying to move products beyond what a Fortune 100 company could not do it's not going to happen. CVP Reps look like they have little or no pharma experience so the $ at CVP can't be anything great.

[Anonymous]

CVP is a lower tier Derm company bottom feeder. Maybe something may happen with the 3M products but it's risky at best. You are talking about a bs Derm company trying to move products beyond what a Fortune 100 company could not do it's not going to happen. CVP Reps look like they have little or no pharma experience so the $ at CVP can't be anything great.

Fine, so stay where you are a-hole. Any black boxes on their drugs? Good luck trying to grow Protopic & Amevive. Start preping for a future in primary care (if you're lucky).

[Anonymous]

CVP is part of a larger pharmaceutical investment consortium that has a pipe line so big your fat butt mother could fit in it. Wise business folks make decisions based on corporate vision, sales/marketing philosophy, future potential (REAL future potential, not hoped for, gamble on it, future potential). CVP will be big, and those that get in now and help build the business will be big in the pharm world over the years, if that is their want. The timing is right for CVP. It is just starting. If you want to make it big in this business both career-wise as well as financially, you must get into a smaller, growing, future oriented company. Big pharma - small bucks small career; Small pharma - big bucks big career. But it takes timing, persistence, risk, and, oh yeah, you have to roll out of bed and do the work. CVP has a certain future; Astellas has an unknown (gamble on it) future. Your future is up to you, and you only - no blame in this game.

[Anonymous]

Fine, so stay where you are a-hole. Any black boxes on their drugs? Good luck trying to grow Protopic & Amevive. Start preping for a future in primary care (if you're lucky).


Not staying here jackass but not making a move to CVP . There are better things out there and CVP is not the answer.

[Anonymous]

CVP is part of a larger pharmaceutical investment consortium that has a pipe line so big your fat butt mother could fit in it. Wise business folks make decisions based on corporate vision, sales/marketing philosophy, future potential (REAL future potential, not hoped for, gamble on it, future potential). CVP will be big, and those that get in now and help build the business will be big in the pharm world over the years, if that is their want. The timing is right for CVP. It is just starting. If you want to make it big in this business both career-wise as well as financially, you must get into a smaller, growing, future oriented company. Big pharma - small bucks small career; Small pharma - big bucks big career. But it takes timing, persistence, risk, and, oh yeah, you have to roll out of bed and do the work. CVP has a certain future; Astellas has an unknown (gamble on it) future. Your future is up to you, and you only - no blame in this game.


Not staying at Astellas but would not even think about CVP. I don't thnk Astellas has an unknown future they have things going on but nothing in Derm we all know that . There are better things out there and anybody can tell you how great things may be in the future but get real Derm is not a big $ area it's that simple. If CVP goes beyond Derm there may be a future. They may roll out the $ for senior execs but at the rep level would love too see how much they are not paying !

[Anonymous]

Not staying here jackass but not making a move to CVP . There are better things out there and CVP is not the answer.

Good for you hero boy! So why should you care where other people go? If you had any (real) other options then you obviously would have been gone too. Your type is easy to pick out - a lifetime middle of the pack rep, who feels slighted because you could not get you promoted due to your lack of performance and leadership. So you throw darts and are critical of everyone else to compensate for your poor self esteem. Good for Pete and John - you should wish them well and perhaps take an honest look at yourself!

[Anonymous]

Good for you hero boy! So why should you care where other people go? If you had any (real) other options then you obviously would have been gone too. Your type is easy to pick out - a lifetime middle of the pack rep, who feels slighted because you could not get you promoted due to your lack of performance and leadership. So you throw darts and are critical of everyone else to compensate for your poor self esteem. Good for Pete and John - you should wish them well and perhaps take an honest look at yourself!


Listen I have nothing against what Pete and John did they are entitled to go where they want . And who the hell are you to judge others when you don't even know their credentials ! If you think CVP works fine but it does not for me and alot of others. How much do you think they will compensate at the rep level they will have products for Derms and PCP. What does that say well it says 1-2 yrs Pharma and low bases and I am way beyond that at this point. It may be a great gig for those at the top but that's about it.

[Anonymous]

Any bets on the new NSM coming from Abbott? Easy money!

[Anonymous]

Chester Valley Pharma 2 months ago had atopaclair-joke to everyone here and a B peroxide me to. Now all of a sudden it seems to be the new hot thing to people here because of the 3 M situation. Good for the chiefs maybe but not the indians.

[Anonymous]

Chester Valley Pharma 2 months ago had atopaclair-joke to everyone here and a B peroxide me to. Now all of a sudden it seems to be the new hot thing to people here because of the 3 M situation. Good for the chiefs maybe but not the indians.

Typical rats jumping ship...done it before doin it again...keepin low profile so as to survive !

[Anonymous]

And staying at Astellas proves what? That the occasional 100% or greater attainment and the low bonuses that come with that prove you're a man, and not a "rat jumping ship". Any rats jumping ship regardless of career level are making sensible financial and long-term career decisions, not merely looking for a place to warm a seat and not work. Trust me. If that were the case those "rats" would simple stay here and collect a larger salary and slop off the great benefits. Those rats realize there is a fertile island of prosperity only a short swim from the ship.

Just as an aside. Do you realize there are sales reps at Astellas, in all divisions, that greatly exceeded their quotas, and the company is finding and justifying ways to give them lower bonus checks than what they legitimately earned. What is that all about.

EVEN THE GREAT SALES PEOPLE NEED GREAT PRODUCTS TO SELL IN ORDER TO PERFORM. And....well.........

[Anonymous]

FOR SALE:
Protopic: Great horse power. Great performance. Seats maybe a little itchy and stingy. Slips and slides around corners. Often requires realignment. Oh, that...ignore that...it's simply a black box about cancer, but hey what do hundreds of FDA advisors and scientists know about potential cancer. Besides, you'll be long retired before that 3 year old develops any cancer. And don't forget that honkin' big tube.
Amevive: Local retread with potential. Performance in races superbly once the Anbrel and Humira, and the...and the....and the...crash and burn. Only a rat wouldn't want a ride like this that crosses the finish line one out of five times. Comes with handsome swordsmen to defend you from the patients whos' Amevive stalls on the track.
If interested, call your local Astellas Used Car sales rep. Wet rats, they're not!

[Anonymous]

Great "for sale ad" YOU ARE HILARIOUS, no...REALLY. You must sit home most afternoons (Mon-Fri) logging your "calls" to discover that humor. How would we know that? You spelled your biggest market competitor incorrectly...Anbrel? Good God. Limited success is a fertile environment for denial and finger pointing. Get off the bus and hitch a ride on another company ride. Anbrel...classic.

[Anonymous]

Oh, excuse the typo. Enbrel. It's still a lower typo error rate than marketing. Gosh, if I did stay home instead of work, I'm sure my typing would be much better. And as we know good paperwork is better than good sale performance at the new Astellas - big farmasutical compeni - oh, this damn typing, too many mistakes again. Bad boy/girl, bad boy/girl.

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah, my the way, our direct marketing competitor is Raptiva. Remember the marketing message, and know Amevive is for Enbrel and Humira failures or where it is inadvisable to use a TNF inhibitor; therefore, technically, Enbrel is not a direct number one competitor. But since you believe it is (apparently you didn't get the market message right, must have been at home in the middle of the afternoon) lets see our numbers against Enbrel and/or Humira numbers this time next year and just see how much business we take from the TNF inhibitors. ENBREL vs AMEVIVE. Hmmmm. Should be a good fight.

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah, my the way, our direct marketing competitor is Raptiva. Remember the marketing message, and know Amevive is for Enbrel and Humira failures or where it is inadvisable to use a TNF inhibitor; therefore, technically, Enbrel is not a direct number one competitor. But since you believe it is (apparently you didn't get the market message right, must have been at home in the middle of the afternoon) lets see our numbers against Enbrel and/or Humira numbers this time next year and just see how much business we take from the TNF inhibitors. ENBREL vs AMEVIVE. Hmmmm. Should be a good fight.


We won't be seeing any #'s this time next year because it's not going to last that long ! Derm is barely hanging on now and people at all levels are looking to get out. Spend,spend with programs,BRM's hell you could give this away and it still would not change usage that much. It's a drug that does not have the firepower to make a real impact it's reality face the facts.

[Anonymous]

As pathetic as Amevive has been having injectable sales experience has led to more calls from recruiters and more interviews in my quest to get the hell outta here !

[Anonymous]

Okay. I am so mad. I just have to say somethings. First of all I hate Cafepharma. It's nothing but a bunch of negative junk; however, a derm buddy called and said there was some hilarious stuff on this thread. Haven't check Cafepharma in over a year and a half and now I know why. It sucks. Back when I last visited the site, the rumor was that Novartis reps where leaving negative stuff about Protopic and the company in hopes of shaking a few weak reps out of the company and sell more Elidel in those vacancies. I believe they could be at it again, particularly with that Sales Ad thing. Funny stuff, but just more negative. So don't take it all so personally. Be on guard.
The second thing that bugs me is the fact that a regional manager is wasting his time on this sight. First he threatens reps with checking calls for times and signatures to see if they are working in the afternoon. Then he gets irate about a spelling error on Enbrel. All proving he is a micro manager. Then he totally gets the Amevive marketing position wrong. Proving he is clueless about what is really important. Thank goodness someone left him the correct marketing message later on. But here we have a manager steeped in micro junk while missing the big picture marketing message for our biologic. Just hope he's not sending his people out on a suicide mission head-to-head against Enbrel. Also, he completely throws Pete, John, and Dave under the bus, by calling them talentless rats jumping ship to save their sorry careers. Sorry Mr Manager, these guys are respectable great guys who simply moved on to a better career opportunity for themselves. Wouldn't any of us? Your loyalty sure is lacking for great guys who probably helped you get where you are today. Pathetic and ungrateful.
Why do I bother writing all this? Because I am staying here at Astellas and want it to succeed and we need everyone back on message and focused in order to do that. We have very decent salaries and awesome benefits. Bonuses are a little tight right now, but with my Amevive conversions and pretty good Protopic numbers, bonus money will be coming my way. And I have a great boss that I enjoy working with and who cares about his reps. The quota and bonus issues will be ironed out by the start of the new fiscal year in April, I'm sure. Every pharm company has its good and bad times. This is our bad time, but I'm just glad we are going through it now and get it over with. Soon we'll be back to decent quotas and bonuses and everybody will be happy again...except the freaks on Cafepharma. Those leaving Astellas, best of luck. Just remember, the company you join will most likely at some point go through the same challenges we have, and are, going through. Only here, we are almost through it and will have smooth sailing ahead of us. Somewhere else, you can look forward to going through this crap all over again...then what?
Goodbye Cafepharma. I hope I don't come back again for a long time.

[Anonymous]

I've been here for 5 yrs now and no we don't have decent salaries we are underpaid compared to many other companies. The idea of the recent promotions to higher levels gave me a glimmer of hope that maybe this company would finally step up with compensation but no they did not. Again being taken in by the Astellas tease.

The idea of trying to stay here and succeed is a dead end we have had some many downsizings, product failures and marketing mishaps and a non existent pipeline that the time is way overdue for many of us to get out.
I wish things were different but there not and I would rather take a chance going somewhere new rather then stay on this stuck in the mud division.
The idea of being grouped in and stuck with the PCP reps in community care is a total joke. These reps are just starting out and I am gaining nothing by being grouped into their arena .

Sure all companies have issues but I've seen enough of Astellas and it's so time to move on to a new place.

[Anonymous]

Would love to know the initials of the micro RSM up his reps for stupid crap !
Have a few thoughts on who it might be

[Anonymous]

It's all in the decifering of threads.

[Anonymous]

And staying at Astellas proves what? That the occasional 100% or greater attainment and the low bonuses that come with that prove you're a man, and not a "rat jumping ship". Any rats jumping ship regardless of career level are making sensible financial and long-term career decisions, not merely looking for a place to warm a seat and not work. Trust me. If that were the case those "rats" would simple stay here and collect a larger salary and slop off the great benefits. Those rats realize there is a fertile island of prosperity only a short swim from the ship.

Just as an aside. Do you realize there are sales reps at Astellas, in all divisions, that greatly exceeded their quotas, and the company is finding and justifying ways to give them lower bonus checks than what they legitimately earned. What is that all about.

EVEN THE GREAT SALES PEOPLE NEED GREAT PRODUCTS TO SELL IN ORDER TO PERFORM. And....well.........

And.....you expect that to happen where the rats went. And...just consider what did the rats accomplish while here.....welllll ......???? No new products, then when Ameve is considered did they give valid input...sorry.... as we all know they are and always have been YES men. They jump to an apparent easier ride, and what will they do there...same as they did here...ride along and keep their heads low. That may help them but if they are in any type of leadership role they need to take it seriously ! Consider this, they jumped when things look brighter there. They moved when there were better meds than the two CVP dogs -atopicair and benzq.
Well - back to work !

[Anonymous]

I've been here for 5 yrs now and no we don't have decent salaries we are underpaid compared to many other companies. The idea of the recent promotions to higher levels gave me a glimmer of hope that maybe this company would finally step up with compensation but no they did not. Again being taken in by the Astellas tease.

The idea of trying to stay here and succeed is a dead end we have had some many downsizings, product failures and marketing mishaps and a non existent pipeline that the time is way overdue for many of us to get out.
I wish things were different but there not and I would rather take a chance going somewhere new rather then stay on this stuck in the mud division.
The idea of being grouped in and stuck with the PCP reps in community care is a total joke. These reps are just starting out and I am gaining nothing by being grouped into their arena .

Sure all companies have issues but I've seen enough of Astellas and it's so time to move on to a new place.



You do need to move on, I felt the same way you did and I got out and found a new job. For the same reason everyone else is jumping ship...I wasn't being paid industry standard for my experience in pharma and the dead pipeline...A company's future success is about a pipeline. Astellas just doesn't have one. The grass is not greener, I will assure you that. But when I looked at my future, I couldn't see long term at this company.

[Anonymous]

You do need to move on, I felt the same way you did and I got out and found a new job. For the same reason everyone else is jumping ship...I wasn't being paid industry standard for my experience in pharma and the dead pipeline...A company's future success is about a pipeline. Astellas just doesn't have one. The grass is not greener, I will assure you that. But when I looked at my future, I couldn't see long term at this company.



Astellas does have a pipeline outside of Derm but it does not matter because the company will not let us go into other divisions. Take the recent hospital expansion many interviewed but got nothing from it. Dead end all around here ! Only answer is to leave.

[Anonymous]

Astellas does have a pipeline outside of Derm but it does not matter because the company will not let us go into other divisions. Take the recent hospital expansion many interviewed but got nothing from it. Dead end all around here ! Only answer is to leave.

Correct- and to the little whiner complaining about cafepharma and how it is always negative....wrong. It is an avenue to get some facts, expose the truth, and on and on, sure ...there is negative crap but most is honest negative crap....what a gutless dude you are. We need to share and this is as valid as any means. Chester Valley is a dead end....it only lasted as a company for no more than a couple years and then they morph into this Graceway thing. Why- because they could not survive without Aldara...Aldara is saving their ass...plain and simple

[Anonymous]

What is the active ingredient in atopaclair? What type of lotion is it?

Chester Valley Pharma 2 months ago had atopaclair-joke to everyone here and a B peroxide me to. Now all of a sudden it seems to be the new hot thing to people here because of the 3 M situation. Good for the chiefs maybe but not the indians.