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Anonymous
09-29-2004, 10:24 AM
Sales reps told not to divulge Paxil data
Drug maker memo cited risks to youth
Newark (NJ) Star-Ledger, Wednesday, September 29, 2004


Just as the safety of antidepressants became a controversy last year, one drug maker told its sales force not to talk to doctors about data linking its pill to serious side effects in children and adolescents.

In a memo last September, GlaxoSmithKline provided an update on concerns over its Paxil medicine, including study results showing a high incidence of suicide and hostility, but instructed its sales representatives in bold letters not to "discuss the contents" with doctors.

The memo, a copy of which was obtained by The Star-Ledger, comes to light after months of criticism of the pharmaceutical industry for allegedly withholding important clinical-trial data that cast antidepressants in a negative light.

Last month, Glaxo agreed to disclose trial data about its drugs to settle a lawsuit filed by the New York attorney general, who accused the company of fraud for concealing negative results about Paxil. Congress, meanwhile, is also investigating the allegations.

A Glaxo spokeswoman denied any attempt to conceal information from doctors. But ethics experts questioned the drug maker's intentions.

"I'm confused about the motive and my first instinct is to be suspicious," said Norman Fost, a pediatrics and medical ethics professor at the University of Wisconsin, and a member of a federal advisory panel that recently recommended severe warnings for antidepressants.

"It's not transparent," he said. "If the company sincerely wanted doctors to know about the risks of prescribing Paxil for children and adolescents, distributing the (clinical-trial) articles would have been the way to do that."

Glaxo spokeswoman Mary Anne Rhyne said the sales reps were instructed not to speak with doctors about the clinical-trial results because drug companies are forbidden from engaging in any activity that may be considered off-label promotion.

"Our sales reps are prohibited from discussing, sharing or leaving behind off-label information with health care providers," she said.

Off-label refers to promoting or prescribing a drug for a use not approved by the Food and Drug Administration. Among antidepressants, only Prozac has been approved for use in children and adolescents, although doctors are free to prescribe as they choose.

Another medical ethics expert said drug company sales reps should not promote off-label usage, but argued Glaxo had an obligation to inform doctors of negative trial data to protect patients.

"You don't want to hide under the off-label excuse," said Arthur Caplan of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. "They do have a moral duty."

Off-label prescriptions for those younger than 18 accounted for 8 percent of all antidepressant prescriptions during the first six months of this year, said Michael Evans of the FDA Office of Drug Safety, at an agency advisory meeting two weeks ago.

At that two-day session, the FDA advisory panel sat through presentations showing the drugs, as a group, are twice as likely as a placebo -- or dummy pill -- to cause suicidal thoughts or behavior in children. The drugs were also shown to be ineffective in children.

As a result, the panel recommended the FDA issue "Black Box" warnings, prominently placed on package inserts in hopes of quickly capturing the attention of doctors and patients. The FDA, which is also reviewing data on adults, may take action as early as this week.

In its September 2003 memo, U.K.-based Glaxo said pediatric trials involving Paxil did not find any patients who committed suicide. However, there has since been controversy over the way the company described such behavior, which prompted regulatory review of the data.

The memo included results from a study, known as 329, which concluded Paxil was safe and effective in youngsters. However, the study has since been questioned by critics, who note that 7.5 percent of patients suffered emotional liability, which refers to suicidal activity, versus 0 percent on placebo. Also, 6.5 percent experienced hostility versus 1 percent on placebo.

"This letter is for your informational purposes only," the memo said. "Although you should read the letter carefully, please do not discuss the contents with your customers."

The Glaxo spokeswoman said the study was published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry in July 2001 and was widely circulated.

David Fassler, a University of Vermont psychiatry professor and trustee of the American Psychiatric Association, said many child psychiatrists should have seen the article. But he also said the journal is "not necessarily read by many pediatricians and primary-care physicians."

Anonymous
09-29-2004, 03:20 PM
WE HA http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gifVE ETHICS?

Anonymous
09-29-2004, 03:22 PM
Everyone knows that a rep can not comment on a topic that is in litigation. To do so would be irresponsibile. The company has to remind reps that they are not to comment about topics that are off-label or in litigation.


To do so would be making baseless claims or off-label claims.


SO in the meantime do not talk about it or call on these specialists. They know the number for GSK and their customer response team to find the answers to any of their questions.

Anonymous
09-29-2004, 05:54 PM
If some ethical rep had shown that document to his doctors he would have been breaking federal law. Every off label document the company sends us has that warning on it. The funny thing is that reporter from Newark thinks he has a big scoop,

Anonymous
09-29-2006, 06:12 AM
Liars, thieves, killers two years ago and things have not changed a bit....5 fines up to 3.4 billion and counting...Rules? What rules ? Ethics-you have to be shitting me, we have a rotten little dothead liar in charge of that on a Global basis...this company is Evil Inc. How many specific examples do you want ??? Michael has them, trust me...going down the tubes-silly TV ads will be looked upon for what they really are... Bullshitting the elderly and ill who have no pharma knowledge. Evil Empire will never change, get the fuck out of the country --before we throw you out.

Anonymous
09-29-2006, 09:23 AM
Liars, thieves, killers two years ago and things have not changed a bit....5 fines up to 3.4 billion and counting...Rules? What rules ? Ethics-you have to be shitting me, we have a rotten little dothead liar in charge of that on a Global basis...this company is Evil Inc. How many specific examples do you want ??? Michael has them, trust me...going down the tubes-silly TV ads will be looked upon for what they really are... Bullshitting the elderly and ill who have no pharma knowledge. Evil Empire will never change, get the fuck out of the country --before we throw you out.

And they want us to take the 'high road' to cover up their shit.

Anonymous
09-30-2006, 09:54 AM
And they want us to take the 'high road' to cover up their shit.
NO THEY JUST WANT US TO "WRITE RIGHT" OR DON'T WRITE AT ALL=NO PAPER TRAIL, RIGHT ????????? TOO LATE....

Anonymous
09-30-2006, 02:13 PM
Liars, thieves, killers two years ago and things have not changed a bit....5 fines up to 3.4 billion and counting...Rules? What rules ? Ethics-you have to be shitting me, we have a rotten little dothead liar in charge of that on a Global basis...this company is Evil Inc. How many specific examples do you want ??? Michael has them, trust me...going down the tubes-silly TV ads will be looked upon for what they really are... Bullshitting the elderly and ill who have no pharma knowledge. Evil Empire will never change, get the fuck out of the country --before we throw you out.

You are really pissed @ GSK. I have seen your writing patterns many times. What do you do for a living?

Anonymous
09-30-2006, 02:23 PM
You are really pissed @ GSK. I have seen your writing patterns many times. What do you do for a living?

He must rescue greyhounds from being put to sleep. That probably doesn't pay well, so he works for a safe house that protects women who are in danger of being killed by their demonic husbands. I too would like to know his profession. I am sure that there are no skeletons in the closets of the company or industry that he works for.

The point is, why is GSK a bunch of liars, thieves, and killers? We make drugs that are designed to help people, we can't do it for free, and we can't provide raw data to the public because as the Star Ledger "investigative" writer so cleverly proved, they don't know anything about the scientific/FDA process. If you were to go through my desk, there would be lots of things that the company has marked as " do not show to docs" because it is off-label data.

Dude, PLEASE tell us what you do. Take your time and make it good. Make it real honorable.

Anonymous
09-30-2006, 08:53 PM
He must rescue greyhounds from being put to sleep. That probably doesn't pay well, so he works for a safe house that protects women who are in danger of being killed by their demonic husbands. I too would like to know his profession. I am sure that there are no skeletons in the closets of the company or industry that he works for.

The point is, why is GSK a bunch of liars, thieves, and killers? We make drugs that are designed to help people, we can't do it for free, and we can't provide raw data to the public because as the Star Ledger "investigative" writer so cleverly proved, they don't know anything about the scientific/FDA process. If you were to go through my desk, there would be lots of things that the company has marked as " do not show to docs" because it is off-label data.

Dude, PLEASE tell us what you do. Take your time and make it good. Make it real honorable.
In reallity, they want us to use the off label stuff to make quota, if you don't make quota, you are managed out. You have to be dishonest to survive. GSK talks out of both sides of their mouth.

Anonymous
10-01-2006, 08:11 PM
He must rescue greyhounds from being put to sleep. That probably doesn't pay well, so he works for a safe house that protects women who are in danger of being killed by their demonic husbands. I too would like to know his profession. I am sure that there are no skeletons in the closets of the company or industry that he works for.

The point is, why is GSK a bunch of liars, thieves, and killers? We make drugs that are designed to help people, we can't do it for free, and we can't provide raw data to the public because as the Star Ledger "investigative" writer so cleverly proved, they don't know anything about the scientific/FDA process. If you were to go through my desk, there would be lots of things that the company has marked as " do not show to docs" because it is off-label data.

Dude, PLEASE tell us what you do. Take your time and make it good. Make it real honorable. OK-- clone boy --- I don't do anything that I do not want to do-- GSK had to pay me off....big time....Not 3.4 billion or all the other money AND fines they shelled out -but enough that I can tell you to load your trunk and shut your fucking mouth... I did my time with these crooks until I became part of the solution, not the problem. You trunk loading caterers are cover-up artists for this shithole...hasn't the FBI come knocking on your door yet ???? Better be looking over your shoulder, if you are operating in the so-called gray area...it is no longer gray...it is black and white..you caterers and liars are history..so get a real job ...the alternative is to come clean and put Garnier in prison where he belongs. I know this is a HR prompt for a response--- but know what -HERE IT IS , I don't care because I have a good attorney and you are all evil --- admit it. What good are you, really ?? And BTW fuck you Rajaratnam....harharharharharhar....oh sorry, DOTHEAD ESQ.

Anonymous
10-02-2006, 06:58 AM
OK-- clone boy --- I don't do anything that I do not want to do-- GSK had to pay me off....big time....Not 3.4 billion or all the other money AND fines they shelled out -but enough that I can tell you to load your trunk and shut your fucking mouth... I did my time with these crooks until I became part of the solution, not the problem. You trunk loading caterers are cover-up artists for this shithole...hasn't the FBI come knocking on your door yet ???? Better be looking over your shoulder, if you are operating in the so-called gray area...it is no longer gray...it is black and white..you caterers and liars are history..so get a real job ...the alternative is to come clean and put Garnier in prison where he belongs. I know this is a HR prompt for a response--- but know what -HERE IT IS , I don't care because I have a good attorney and you are all evil --- admit it. What good are you, really ?? And BTW fuck you Rajaratnam....harharharharharhar....oh sorry, DOTHEAD ESQ.

So the simple answer is that you do nothing but live on the money from the company that you hate? That must be invigorating. You don't do anything else? Did you buy a bar with your winnings? A race car team? A big fire truck? What do you do, man? Make it really, really good! And throw in a couple more curses and racial slurs. It makes you look even more better.

Anonymous
10-02-2006, 09:43 AM
So the simple answer is that you do nothing but live on the money from the company that you hate? That must be invigorating. You don't do anything else? Did you buy a bar with your winnings? A race car team? A big fire truck? What do you do, man? Make it really, really good! And throw in a couple more curses and racial slurs. It makes you look even more better.
LOAD YER TRUNK ROBBIE BOY...THE MAN TOLD YOU EXACTLY ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW...PIZZA TODAY...NO ANCHOVIES..THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY DO ? EVER THIINK ABOUT THAT ROBBER REP. ???

Anonymous
10-02-2006, 01:09 PM
LOAD YER TRUNK ROBBIE BOY...THE MAN TOLD YOU EXACTLY ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW...PIZZA TODAY...NO ANCHOVIES..THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY DO ? EVER THIINK ABOUT THAT ROBBER REP. ???

Still waiting...

Anonymous
10-02-2006, 01:57 PM
LOAD YER TRUNK ROBBIE BOY...THE MAN TOLD YOU EXACTLY ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW...PIZZA TODAY...NO ANCHOVIES..THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY DO ? EVER THIINK ABOUT THAT ROBBER REP. ???

CAPPY getting angry?

Anonymous
10-02-2006, 03:40 PM
LOAD YER TRUNK ROBBIE BOY...THE MAN TOLD YOU EXACTLY ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW...PIZZA TODAY...NO ANCHOVIES..THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY DO ? EVER THIINK ABOUT THAT ROBBER REP. ???

I have a lift gate. Not a trunk. And I like anchovies...out of a can. Without Pizza. I prefer ROBERT Rep, thank you. I am quite formal.