REPS THAT HAVE LEFT GSK

[Anonymous]

TO ALL THE REPS THAT HAVE LEFT GSK: WHAT COMPANY ARE YOU WITH AND ARE YOU HAPPY?

[Anonymous]

i left and would like to come back......the grass isnt always greener

[Anonymous]

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i left and would like to come back......the grass isnt always greener

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I have heard that from about 20 Glaxo reps over the past decade. If you want to leave GSK make sure you get a larger base and larger bonus guarantee before you make the jump.

[Anonymous]

I left. It's not worth it! Stay with GSK http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smile.gif

[Anonymous]

I left and have no regrets . . . nothing bad about GSK other than there are WAY too many reps!!!! I was sick of the pod and wanted to get into a specialty field ("Specialty reps" at GSK call on the same people everybody else does!!) I opted for smaller company in a specialty field with no counterparts -- heaven in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

You could of went to HIV, Oncology or Vaccines.

[Anonymous]

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You could of went to HIV, Oncology or Vaccines.

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I think you mean "could have" not "could of."

[Anonymous]

Thank you for the correction.

[Anonymous]

Oh, yes thank you Dick Head.
I left five years ago, and quite frankly ,I would never look back. ( any corrections needed ?? )

[Anonymous]

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Oh, yes thank you Dick Head.
I left five years ago, and quite frankly ,I would never look back. ( any corrections needed ?? )

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Yes, actually, there are some corrections.
1. There should be a comma between 'and' and 'quite'
2. The comma should be immediately after 'frankly' with no space.
3. 'any' should have been capitalized
4. 'any corrections needed' should not be expressed parenthetically.
5. Again, punctuation marks are placed immediately after the last word of a sentence rather than putting spaces before them.
Oh! Go back to the first sentence!
6. There should be either a period or exclamation point after 'yes.'
7. The 't' in 'thank' should be capitalized.
8. A comma after the 'you' in 'Thank you.'
9. 'Dick Head' should not be capitalized since the term is not a bona fide proper noun.

You asked and I told! Sorry about that, but I couldn't resist! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

[Anonymous]

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[QUOTE]
Oh, yes thank you Dick Head.
I left five years ago, and quite frankly ,I would never look back. ( any corrections needed ?? )

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Yes, actually, there are some corrections.
1. There should be a comma between 'and' and 'quite'
2. The comma should be immediately after 'frankly' with no space.
3. 'any' should have been capitalized
4. 'any corrections needed' should not be expressed parenthetically.
5. Again, punctuation marks are placed immediately after the last word of a sentence rather than putting spaces before them.
Oh! Go back to the first sentence!
6. There should be either a period or exclamation point after 'yes.'
7. The 't' in 'thank' should be capitalized.
8. A comma after the 'you' in 'Thank you.'
9. 'Dick Head' should not be capitalized since the term is not a bona fide proper noun.

You asked and I told! Sorry about that, but I couldn't resist! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

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ROTFLMAO. You asked for it!

[Anonymous]

"ROTFLMAO"

Okay, what the hell does that mean? And in English, please!

[Anonymous]

Leaving GSK.........GRRRRRRREAT!
Unless you would rather be babysat...than by all means stay...get into training...it seems like that is the ONLY job security with that company other than selling generics.

Way to go Beth Tench!

[Anonymous]

[QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
Oh, yes thank you Dick Head.
I left five years ago, and quite frankly ,I would never look back. ( any corrections needed ?? )

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, actually, there are some corrections.
1. There should be a comma between 'and' and 'quite'
2. The comma should be immediately after 'frankly' with no space.
3. 'any' should have been capitalized
4. 'any corrections needed' should not be expressed parenthetically.
5. Again, punctuation marks are placed immediately after the last word of a sentence rather than putting spaces before them.
Oh! Go back to the first sentence!
6. There should be either a period or exclamation point after 'yes.'
7. The 't' in 'thank' should be capitalized.
8. A comma after the 'you' in 'Thank you.'
9. 'Dick Head' should not be capitalized since the term is not a bona fide proper noun.

You asked and I told! Sorry about that, but I couldn't resist! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

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ROTFLMAO. You asked for it!

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Both of you seriously need to get a life! <font color="red"> </font>

[Anonymous]

"ROTFLMAO"

Okay, what the hell does that mean? And in English, please!

Rolling On The Floor, Laughing My Ass Off
ROTFLMAO

[Anonymous]

I left and it was the best work move of my life.
Less middle mgmt. Less upper mgmt. Less hassle.
More money and more ownership of my business.

[anonposter1]

Honest reply here.

GSK is a good company to work for. However, a person can only take being micromanaged for a few years.

I left and went to a smaller company.

PROS:
-much more money. I'm a rep. I make as much as starting dsms (S5 CLASS) with gsk. plus bonus
-less micromanaging, less b.s. I don't HAVE to do anything. I don't HAVE to make 10 calls. I don't HAVE to have telecons or programs.

The only thing I HAVE to do is: Drive the business. However I want. As long as I get results.

-smaller ladder to climb, if I want to climb it.

CONS:
-no pension
-crappy car, not that GSK is better. but with my new income, I can just go buy one that I like.

OVERALL:
NO regrets. I'd make the move all over again. If you're thinking about it, do it.

Things will only get worse before they get better.

Just an HONEST 2 cents.

[Anonymous]

Leaving GSK.........GRRRRRRREAT!
Unless you would rather be babysat...than by all means stay...get into training...it seems like that is the ONLY job security with that company other than selling generics.

Way to go Beth Tench!

Oh my God. (another blast from the past!) Short brunette? Nice pearly smile? Same person? Wasn't she in training? Hmm. over 15 yrs ago. What is she doing now?

[Anonymous]

I left and it was the best work move of my life.
Less middle mgmt. Less upper mgmt. Less hassle.
More money and more ownership of my business.

SPOT ON! I regret not leaving 10 yrs earlier. (spent 14) Made the move, and I am here to tell you GSK has a reputation for outstanding training in MC. Not so sure how true that is, but yes we did have some great consultants come in and do seminars on speaking, negotiations etc.
So, the tiny companies scoop you up and you are walking on water. I was an average accnt mgr at best with GSK, then went small and was a king. 2 promos in 2 years. Much less product training (only had 2 drugs!) more money, better car, way way way better people. I could not keep up with my boss in the bars. shots till 3 am in strip clubs. all on him of course. every meeting.

gsk???????????????? boss looks over after 3 beers and says "hey better watch it!" total bullshit...............10 yrs down the tubes oh well........all i needed was 3-4 in accnt mgt at gsk and could have moved over. still all in all ended fine since retired at 47

[Anonymous]

left gsk three years ago and went to small pharma. Same job, but without the constant oversight, and threats from managers. Truly, GSK managers are the worst! I'm making more money, have fewer hassles, and more direct communication with top level people in the company who really seem interested in making changes to make money.

[Anonymous]

TO ALL THE REPS THAT HAVE LEFT GSK: WHAT COMPANY ARE YOU WITH AND ARE YOU HAPPY?


I LEFT GSK AFTER 16 YEARS AND JOINED MERCK. AFTER 2 YEARS I'M 25,OOO DOLLARS AHEAD IN BASE SALARY AND ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL PENSION. NOT THAT PATHETIC EXCUSE CALLED CASH BALANCE. MERCK IS THE EXTREME OPPOSITE OF GSK AND I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT HOW TO SALE IN 2 YEARS THAN I EVER LEARNED AT GSK. GSK IS A CROOKED UNETHICAL COMPANY..THE TIME TO LEAVE IS NOW!!

[Anonymous]

I left recently after over a decade with GSK and extremely happy:

1. GSK has become worse in terms of micromanagement over the last 5 years

2. GSK has no ethics, yet continually talks about the "high road". Hypocrites.

3. All the great products are going off patent and nothing has replaced them (except "new" XL, CR, XR, ES and other bogus extended release versions. The only good products left are Advair and Avandia and they have some problems.

4. Management is terrible at this company. It is a reflection of the crap at the top...shit rolls down hill and the direct managers (DSMs) are worthless at leadership. They push paper and try to apply pressure.

5. Worst marketing in the industry. Company promotes individuals with no real qualifications for marketing...and usually have no experience with the product they are responsible for.

6. Bloated bureacracy. Two US headquarters? They try to cut costs by making reps drive cars past 75,000 miles yet they are two US headquarters!!! How about reducing some of the duplication of efforts?

7. Too many reps. There are 4 reps selling a product that produces $100 million in revenue??? Crazy.

8. Can't even keep products in stock at the pharmacy. 2 year problem with manufacturing issues that senior management never solved.

9. Crap products. Crap management. Crap future. Why stay???? The grass may not be greener on the other side of the fence, but at least there is some grass...nothing but dirt and crap on this side.

[Anonymous]

I left GSK for a medical device job. Very small company, highly specialized market. I am SOOOO glad that I left. Now I have the real sales job that I've always wanted. If you are a "real" salesperson, and you leave GSK, you will never regret it (and make more $$$$)!!

[Anonymous]

Forced out almost 4 years ago. In devices, no base, but I do over 20K per month in commission. Plus a company car, if I want it. Dr's and staff in the OR treat me like a human and are actually happy to see me. Only come to this board because I know many who are still with GSK and hate it! Wish I would have left much earlier, like prior to when I turned 30. In my arena they hate drug reps, because they are known for being lazy, poor sales skills and not working. I just laugh at the purple passion crap, and I think Cappy is the bomb. Love to see all the cappy haters out there, because the truth hurts.

[Anonymous]

Left GSK for Biotech two years ago. Biotech went under but got a nice bump in salary and title before the ship sank. Now a Specialty Rep again with a small/medium pharma/biotech co. and making mid $80K's and bonus over $50K/yr. Needless to say, you couldn't pay me to go back to that micromanaging environment.

[Anonymous]

Forced out almost 4 years ago. In devices, no base, but I do over 20K per month in commission. Plus a company car, if I want it. Dr's and staff in the OR treat me like a human and are actually happy to see me. Only come to this board because I know many who are still with GSK and hate it! Wish I would have left much earlier, like prior to when I turned 30. In my arena they hate drug reps, because they are known for being lazy, poor sales skills and not working. I just laugh at the purple passion crap, and I think Cappy is the bomb. Love to see all the cappy haters out there, because the truth hurts.

I don't hate cappy, in fact I love him, especially when I bend him over.

Love,
Robbie

[Anonymous]

Forced out almost 4 years ago. In devices, no base, but I do over 20K per month in commission. Plus a company car, if I want it. Dr's and staff in the OR treat me like a human and are actually happy to see me. Only come to this board because I know many who are still with GSK and hate it! Wish I would have left much earlier, like prior to when I turned 30. In my arena they hate drug reps, because they are known for being lazy, poor sales skills and not working. I just laugh at the purple passion crap, and I think Cappy is the bomb. Love to see all the cappy haters out there, because the truth hurts.

NAILED IT MY FRIEND. THEY HATE THE TRUTH. Turning of the caps lock for you, because you deserve better.
They are a bunch of miserable cry babies. You have guts, and I did a similar thing to your career path.

Check out the fleet thread and this new guy Glen. (another Cap hater) What little Glen doesn't realize, if he IS being truthful about working 2 jobs, he may be in trouble. ( i think he is lying, but what the heck.) Simple copy/paste to a word file, print it and send to GSK HR with the CP web address. HR may be very intersted in finding out WHO is working another job while on the payroll.
No prob. Just a 39 cent stamp. He may regret his post.

Believe me, Sarah will turn over his IP if GSK asks for it due to policy violation.

[Anonymous]

NAILED IT MY FRIEND. THEY HATE THE TRUTH. Turning of the caps lock for you, because you deserve better.
They are a bunch of miserable cry babies. You have guts, and I did a similar thing to your career path.

Check out the fleet thread and this new guy Glen. (another Cap hater) What little Glen doesn't realize, if he IS being truthful about working 2 jobs, he may be in trouble. ( i think he is lying, but what the heck.) Simple copy/paste to a word file, print it and send to GSK HR with the CP web address. HR may be very intersted in finding out WHO is working another job while on the payroll.
No prob. Just a 39 cent stamp. He may regret his post.

Believe me, Sarah will turn over his IP if GSK asks for it due to policy violation.

On wireless you stupid fuck cappy

[Anonymous]

Left GSK start 2004 for small biotech (after 7 years) and I've never been happier! The grass is definitely greener. I love all the cappy stuff too; would love to know who or where he is. Most of the reps these days are complete idiots with no ideas about how to build decent relationships with docs. I come back to see how miserable people are and laugh my ass off! I now have no samples, better base, higher bonus, no bullshit and mature coworkers - it is HEAVEN. And GSK is still making me money - life is GOOOOD! PS my RVP was a complete asshole and I nailed his ass before I left.

[Anonymous]

I left recently after over a decade with GSK and extremely happy:

1. GSK has become worse in terms of micromanagement over the last 5 years

2. GSK has no ethics, yet continually talks about the "high road". Hypocrites.

3. All the great products are going off patent and nothing has replaced them (except "new" XL, CR, XR, ES and other bogus extended release versions. The only good products left are Advair and Avandia and they have some problems.

4. Management is terrible at this company. It is a reflection of the crap at the top...shit rolls down hill and the direct managers (DSMs) are worthless at leadership. They push paper and try to apply pressure.

5. Worst marketing in the industry. Company promotes individuals with no real qualifications for marketing...and usually have no experience with the product they are responsible for.

6. Bloated bureacracy. Two US headquarters? They try to cut costs by making reps drive cars past 75,000 miles yet they are two US headquarters!!! How about reducing some of the duplication of efforts?

7. Too many reps. There are 4 reps selling a product that produces $100 million in revenue??? Crazy.

8. Can't even keep products in stock at the pharmacy. 2 year problem with manufacturing issues that senior management never solved.

9. Crap products. Crap management. Crap future. Why stay???? The grass may not be greener on the other side of the fence, but at least there is some grass...nothing but dirt and crap on this side.

I was going to comment on about 90% of what you just wrote. All very true. I too recently left and am MUCH HAPPIER with another (smaller) pharma company.

[Anonymous]

Got out of the industry completely and have never regretted it. When I'm in a Dr.'s office for a personal appointment and I see reps, I am relieved that I got out. Especially when I walk pass the sample closet and see some poor guy rearranging the closet to make room for his stuff. Ugh! Yes, I took a pay cut initially, but after 18 months and a change of companies, I'm doing better than I ever did in pharma! Oh, and I have some self-respect to boot.

[Anonymous]

Forced out almost 4 years ago. In devices, no base, but I do over 20K per month in commission. Plus a company car, if I want it. Dr's and staff in the OR treat me like a human and are actually happy to see me. Only come to this board because I know many who are still with GSK and hate it! Wish I would have left much earlier, like prior to when I turned 30. In my arena they hate drug reps, because they are known for being lazy, poor sales skills and not working. I just laugh at the purple passion crap, and I think Cappy is the bomb. Love to see all the cappy haters out there, because the truth hurts.

Amen to that! BTW, we are old friends. Went through that crap together. (Remember the waitress thought we were married?) Just talked on the phone a few weeks ago when I was in Atlanta. Hope the new gig is going well. You totally deserve it! Glad we got out brothuh'!

[Anonymous]

Hell when you going to visit? Merry Christmas by the way! Would love to see you!

[Anonymous]

SPOT ON! I regret not leaving 10 yrs earlier. (spent 14) Made the move, and I am here to tell you GSK has a reputation for outstanding training in MC. Not so sure how true that is, but yes we did have some great consultants come in and do seminars on speaking, negotiations etc.
So, the tiny companies scoop you up and you are walking on water. I was an average accnt mgr at best with GSK, then went small and was a king. 2 promos in 2 years. Much less product training (only had 2 drugs!) more money, better car, way way way better people. I could not keep up with my boss in the bars. shots till 3 am in strip clubs. all on him of course. every meeting.

gsk???????????????? boss looks over after 3 beers and says "hey better watch it!" total bullshit...............10 yrs down the tubes oh well........all i needed was 3-4 in accnt mgt at gsk and could have moved over. still all in all ended fine since retired at 47

I left GSK....I love it! I love the freedom, the respect, and the potential to make real money. I will never look back; I wish I had left 4 years ago. As far as I am concerned GSK can kiss my ass and that includes my last manager.

[Anonymous]

Forced out almost 4 years ago. In devices, no base, but I do over 20K per month in commission. Plus a company car, if I want it. Dr's and staff in the OR treat me like a human and are actually happy to see me. Only come to this board because I know many who are still with GSK and hate it! Wish I would have left much earlier, like prior to when I turned 30. In my arena they hate drug reps, because they are known for being lazy, poor sales skills and not working. I just laugh at the purple passion crap, and I think Cappy is the bomb. Love to see all the cappy haters out there, because the truth hurts.
Smart move to turn down the company car, Starbucks would charge you a fortune for creating a big carbon footprint with it. Looks like half the people on this post went into the device business they must love pharma reps, just make believe you are demonstrating a live saving device when you turn on the latte machine.

[Anonymous]

Mudge here again I meant to say life saving device.

[Anonymous]

I also left GSK after six plus years. I was a big fish in a huge sea and, unfortunately, not very good at playing the politics needed to get ahead in GSK. Unwilling to throw others under the bus and speaking with 100% sincerity and honesty finally caught up with me and I found myself on the receiving end of bogus ride-along evaluations, being left out of pod meetings conducted by my incompetent loser of a manager and slowly being removed from the majority of regional and national projects in which I was involved.

I am now with a small company, have no pod (thank God!) and a manager who understands that micro-managing is for incompetent bean-counter types who are not able to offer anything beyond checking boxes to increase sales.

GSK did train me well...but in hindsight I realize that I would have had worked twice as long before moving anywhere near the level I was hoping to achieve and it would require ruthlessly "playing the game" - being a yes-man on the surface while simultaneously being the venomous snake beneath the flowers.

I think some do well in that role - maybe they even like it (passive-aggressive psychos), but I'm happy as hell (and a lot richer) that I got out of it!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Dropping like flies in florida region!!!

[Anonymous]

I also left GSK after six plus years. I was a big fish in a huge sea and, unfortunately, not very good at playing the politics needed to get ahead in GSK. Unwilling to throw others under the bus and speaking with 100% sincerity and honesty finally caught up with me and I found myself on the receiving end of bogus ride-along evaluations, being left out of pod meetings conducted by my incompetent loser of a manager and slowly being removed from the majority of regional and national projects in which I was involved.

I am now with a small company, have no pod (thank God!) and a manager who understands that micro-managing is for incompetent bean-counter types who are not able to offer anything beyond checking boxes to increase sales.

GSK did train me well...but in hindsight I realize that I would have had worked twice as long before moving anywhere near the level I was hoping to achieve and it would require ruthlessly "playing the game" - being a yes-man on the surface while simultaneously being the venomous snake beneath the flowers.

I think some do well in that role - maybe they even like it (passive-aggressive psychos), but I'm happy as hell (and a lot richer) that I got out of it!!!!!

Anyone have suggestions as to the smaller companies that don't micromanage? I hate the pod crap too and would like to get out.

[Anonymous]

Anyone have suggestions as to the smaller companies that don't micromanage? I hate the pod crap too and would like to get out.

Ditto...Please spill the beans on the names of better smaller companies.

[Anonymous]

left gsk got at 15k base increase. my last bonus at my new company was almost 40k. then left that company because i was doing so well and now i make over 30k more base after only 1.5 years leaving gsk.


GSK on leader board for being one of the worst companies to work for...period......

[Anonymous]

"I found myself on the receiving end of bogus ride-along evaluations, being left out of pod meetings conducted by my incompetent loser of a manager and slowly being removed from the majority of regional and national projects in which I was involved." That could have been written by me. The exact same thing happened to me and I was a multi-year tier winner but got a new manager with a napolean complex. I have been so happy since leaving. It was a big step to leave, but dealing with people in my new company has been a huge eye-opening experience as to how incompetent people were at GSK.

[Anonymous]

"I found myself on the receiving end of bogus ride-along evaluations, being left out of pod meetings conducted by my incompetent loser of a manager and slowly being removed from the majority of regional and national projects in which I was involved." That could have been written by me. The exact same thing happened to me and I was a multi-year tier winner but got a new manager with a napolean complex. I have been so happy since leaving. It was a big step to leave, but dealing with people in my new company has been a huge eye-opening experience as to how incompetent people were at GSK.

Why do you losers continue to return to the GSK board?

[Anonymous]

Why do you losers continue to return to the GSK board?

Because it bothers you, simpleton!

[Anonymous]

Because it bothers you, simpleton!

What an intelligent answer, you were a big loss to GSK.

[Anonymous]

i think it is best to stay and keep selling avandia...the money is huge. just keep telling the doctors they have nothing to worry about, they really believe it. in fact my doctors love it. can you pass the kool aid-im thirsty.

[Anonymous]

Left GSK for Biotech two years ago. Biotech went under but got a nice bump in salary and title before the ship sank. Now a Specialty Rep again with a small/medium pharma/biotech co. and making mid $80K's and bonus over $50K/yr. Needless to say, you couldn't pay me to go back to that micromanaging environment.

That's the same story with me, have a feeling same Biotech. Miss it lots, but it sent me to the company I am with now. I ran into a GSK rep the other day, not working, and the look was pure terror, just who would I tell??? I can actually work in my office when I need to. I can work on weekends, it is my business and I love it. I am finally a true territory manager. I make more, I go right back when I walk into offices. It feels the way it should in a job. I'm making 85K plus 45K bonus. I live in the Northwest so it's a great living.

[Anonymous]

Why do you losers continue to return to the GSK board?

To say hi to you and because the headings say layoffs and we want to say goodbye to losers like you. You are the reason that GSK suffers. There is a mentality at GSK that is like rats eating their tails. You won't understand until you are not with GSK any longer, and you work for decent people. Of course you will have to take a bath first to wash that "attitude" stench off of you. Pomposity doesn't look or smell good, and it doesn't sell well either.

[Anonymous]

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You could of went to HIV, Oncology or Vaccines.

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I think you mean "could have" not "could of."

another............not went. it is "gone." typical community college commuter. horrible.

[Anonymous]

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another............not went. it is "gone." typical community college commuter. horrible.

better than your College of Hillbillies...yeppers dats right

[Anonymous]

I recently left GSK after over 12 years and I have no regrets about leaving. I am much happier and I make more money too.

[Anonymous]

You call shots until 3 a.m. and strip clubs way way way better people? I don't think so.