Straumann now partnering with 3M to teach GP's to place Implants in local Hotels [Archive]

Anonymous

04-18-2012, 12:19 AM

I'm sure you're an "OS". I'm not even sure why I'm dignifying this nonsense with a response.

Get a real job with a real product. You're only embarrasing yourself.

Anthony Sclar has been doing it in Miami, funded exclusively by Straumann and Nobel for a few years now (see the Titanium sponsors on the list below).

Sorry Straumann reps, you will have a tough time burying your head in the sand on this one! You guys ARE funding GP courses!!! Nice- have fun explaining that to your specialists. PS, A pissed off former Straumann user (600 per year) forwarded this on to me after converting- NICE!

Thank you!

http://www.sclarcenter.com/images/stories/ISTM/ISTM_Brochure_2012sm.pdf

Hahahahahahahaha!!

Anonymous

04-18-2012, 08:16 AM

Ed Mills teaches an implant course targeted to General Dentists in Georgia sponsored by Straumann.

http://www.georgiahealth.edu/ce/dentalce/2012/Hands-On_Implants2012.html

Anonymous

04-18-2012, 08:19 AM

Anonymous

04-18-2012, 10:58 AM

This has been spreading like wild fire accross the country. Has anyone else been hearing this? I have seen actual flyers with the Company logo on them. Straumann denies any involvement however, the damning evidence that is hard to ignore is that the Straumann VP of Sales West was the keynote Speaker! Can you say Nobel disaster that happened years ago? These guys just killed their Market Share. Look out below...............

MY GOD! GP's want to place implants, and the implant companies are involved?? The horror!

Let's be honest, with an ever consistent decline in the Specialist Implant Market (economy, GP's placing) and companies fighting over that same piece of pie, its only a matter of time before every implant company will do what they have to do to keep the revenue up.

Call it unethical or call it a disaster, it's already happening and its not going away.

Anonymous

04-18-2012, 10:47 PM

MY GOD! GP's want to place implants, and the implant companies are involved?? The horror!

Let's be honest, with an ever consistent decline in the Specialist Implant Market (economy, GP's placing) and companies fighting over that same piece of pie, its only a matter of time before every implant company will do what they have to do to keep the revenue up.

Call it unethical or call it a disaster, it's already happening and its not going away.

Well at least Straumann employees are finally willing to admit that they are supporting GP's placing implants. The shame of this discovery is that it is through a 2 bit hotel over a 2 day period and partnered with 3M teaching about "minis". Can't believe that Straumann attached their name to this. What was the VP of Straumann West smoking when he signed up for this gig.

Anonymous

04-19-2012, 09:40 AM

Well at least Straumann employees are finally willing to admit that they are supporting GP's placing implants. The shame of this discovery is that it is through a 2 bit hotel over a 2 day period and partnered with 3M teaching about "minis". Can't believe that Straumann attached their name to this. What was the VP of Straumann West smoking when he signed up for this gig.

He was probably thinking it makes good Business sense. (Point of note, I dont work for Straumann) This isn't just implants, it spreads across every specialty.

- Perio was near extinction before implants came along
- Endo is on its way
- Ortho is losing cases left and right
- OMS's have been losing 3rd molars to GP's for years

If an Implant Company's business model is to become the "Implant for Specialists Only"....good luck.

The Specialists already know some of their referrals want to place their own implants and others just want to restore. What are they going to say? Surgeon/Perio: "Ahem, I forbid you from placing your own implants". GP: "Ok, I will now be sending every one of my patients to your competition next door, Bye"

The Specialists have to blame somebody, so the Company becomes the scapegoat. Do you really think the influx of GP's placing is because some Rep is forcing a course down their throats?? They're begging to get educated, and it's the top tier companies responsibility to provide thorough, and continuous education.

GP's need to know what their limitations are and when they should defer to the Specialist. I'd much rather see Straumann, Nobel, 3i, Zimmer etc training these guys than the little companies who will never speak to them again.

Anonymous

04-19-2012, 12:53 PM

Every dentists has the right to do an oral procedure. It would be better that they get the appropriate education and do favor to their patients, instead of doing some trial and errors. We have seen multiple implants fail by reputable implantologists, does that mean that they don't know what they are doing? Let's live with it guys, I am a GP and will not risk loosing my patients (which actually happened) after referring them to a group practice where the implantologist was working. Isn't that unethical?

Anonymous

04-19-2012, 08:19 PM

Anyone who is willing to pay an extra $100 to purchase an implant packaged in a 1cc vial of saline needs to be reeducated or lose their implant patients. Hahahahahaha

$450 for your implant packaged in a vial with saline? Hahahahahaha

Who places these things????

This will be my last response to the "hahahahaha" dumbass who is uselessly trying to stir a pot because he has no business. I just refuse to debate this type of low-rent hacker because it's not worth the effort.

a.) it's not "an extra $100" to purchase SLActive. It's also not simply "an implant packaged in a 1cc vial of saline." If the burden of proof and top quality in the industry were just that easy, there would be more people using your knockoff garbage.

b.) The answer to "who places these things?" is anyone and everyone you could never work with, which is why our reputable, educated customers keep refusing your half-ass advances and you resort to scattering buckshot on CP. You are one lone, misinformed voice and Straumann has earned the #1 position in the world. I'm sorry that you're on the wrong side of the equation, but judging you by content and prose alone, you most definitely belong there. Trust me, you are better off fighting it out with your own kind. Well wishes to you on improving your situation.

Anonymous

04-20-2012, 07:07 PM

b.) ... You are one lone, misinformed voice and Straumann has earned the #1 position in the world. .

Actually- you may want to take a second look. Did Straumann actually *earn* that position, or was it *inherited* by Nobel's historical abortion of managerial goof-ups?

Keep funding the GP courses and riding on your past successes the same way Nobel did, and you will be in their position before too long.

Another thing- are you *really* happy in your job? None of the Straumann reps I know are. Unrealistic quotas, insufficient expenses and micromanagers for bosses do not a fun career make. Sounds familiar? Yeah- same thing that Nobel reps used to complain about- and still do.

Anonymous

04-20-2012, 08:31 PM

Anonymous

04-21-2012, 09:45 AM

Actually- you may want to take a second look. Did Straumann actually *earn* that position, or was it *inherited* by Nobel's historical abortion of managerial goof-ups?

Keep funding the GP courses and riding on your past successes the same way Nobel did, and you will be in their position before too long.

Another thing- are you *really* happy in your job? None of the Straumann reps I know are. Unrealistic quotas, insufficient expenses and micromanagers for bosses do not a fun career make. Sounds familiar? Yeah- same thing that Nobel reps used to complain about- and still do.

You must be new to the industry and/or work for a 3rd rate company. Yes, they did "earn" it because their products have worked very well, they don't get negative outcomes, and they have always innovated. Go find one clinician who disagrees with these points. It's pricey, but that's the only thing you'll hear out there as a complaint. It's no more costly than the other Tier 1 companies, and Straumann can back up the product with more proof than everyone else combined. Instead of pretending you routinely steal Straumann business (no one does), go bark up another tree, rookie. You'll have better odds.

Happiness is making money increasing your business representing quality (easier at Straumann) and not fielding issues all day like most implant reps I know. I know you're attempting to create a squabble here, but I'm sorry to say it won't work for you. Straumann is just about the opposite of Nobel in every way you can think of.

Anonymous

04-21-2012, 10:14 AM

You must be new to the industry and/or work for a 3rd rate company. Yes, they did "earn" it because their products have worked very well, they don't get negative outcomes, and they have always innovated. Go find one clinician who disagrees with these points. It's pricey, but that's the only thing you'll hear out there as a complaint. It's no more costly than the other Tier 1 companies, and Straumann can back up the product with more proof than everyone else combined. Instead of pretending you routinely steal Straumann business (no one does), go bark up another tree, rookie. You'll have better odds.

Happiness is making money increasing your business representing quality (easier at Straumann) and not fielding issues all day like most implant reps I know. I know you're attempting to create a squabble here, but I'm sorry to say it won't work for you. Straumann is just about the opposite of Nobel in every way you can think of.

Looks like you are the Rookie here dude. The only research you have (25+ years) is on your outdated Straumann Standard Tissue Level Implant. Your Bone Level Implant was dropped on the Market with 0 research. So when you say you can back up the quality of your products, you must be referring to your non-versitile Tissue Level Implant that is a 2nd generation product at best. The only reason you have the market share you do is for not changing Company names over the past 25 years, Having more Reps than anyone else and not shitting the bed like Nobel did. Face it loser, you are dead wrong here.

Anonymous

04-21-2012, 10:23 AM

You must be new to the industry and/or work for a 3rd rate company. Yes, they did "earn" it because their products have worked very well, they don't get negative outcomes, and they have always innovated. Go find one clinician who disagrees with these points. It's pricey, but that's the only thing you'll hear out there as a complaint. It's no more costly than the other Tier 1 companies, and Straumann can back up the product with more proof than everyone else combined. Instead of pretending you routinely steal Straumann business (no one does), go bark up another tree, rookie. You'll have better odds.

Happiness is making money increasing your business representing quality (easier at Straumann) and not fielding issues all day like most implant reps I know. I know you're attempting to create a squabble here, but I'm sorry to say it won't work for you. Straumann is just about the opposite of Nobel in every way you can think of.

Rookie comment here. Tissue level Staumann Standare is where "all" of your precious research is. Oh yeah, and you licensed the Internal Octagon Connection from Jerry Niznick in 1986! Corevent was the #1 Market Share Company in Dental Implants even up through the shuffle to Paragon - Calciteck - Sulzer. Read some Dental literature from time to time. Ask Dr. Rosenlicht and Dr. Ganz about the Swiss Plus Implant. It has the same Internal Octagon Connection as your outdated Straumann Standard Tissue level Implant with all the research and is clinically superior to it. Read the literature. By the way, Zimmer still manufactures and distributes the Swiss Plus. You are a copy cat company at best that got lucky and played the market right while others fumbled through acquisitions and poor Marketing strategy. What did you get your College degree in? Theater from FSU?

Anonymous

04-21-2012, 10:42 AM

You must be new to the industry and/or work for a 3rd rate company. Yes, they did "earn" it because their products have worked very well, they don't get negative outcomes, and they have always innovated. Go find one clinician who disagrees with these points. It's pricey, but that's the only thing you'll hear out there as a complaint. It's no more costly than the other Tier 1 companies, and Straumann can back up the product with more proof than everyone else combined. Instead of pretending you routinely steal Straumann business (no one does), go bark up another tree, rookie. You'll have better odds.

Happiness is making money increasing your business representing quality (easier at Straumann) and not fielding issues all day like most implant reps I know. I know you're attempting to create a squabble here, but I'm sorry to say it won't work for you. Straumann is just about the opposite of Nobel in every way you can think of.

Don't get negative outcomes? Ask the docs and their patients who have metal showing in the anterior from the bone regressing from the polished collar, or the dark line showing through their soft tissue from the same. You consider that a "favorable" outcome?

They have always innovated? No. The transgingival implant in the posterior was genius, but using it in the anterior was and is foolish. So what innovations are you speaking of? The bone-level? A disappointment from the start to their users, who once upon a time no competitor could touch with a ten foot pole. Today, that dynamic has changed completely. Bad connection, bad pros, and not nearly what their loyal users had anticipated.

And I still stand by my comment that the reps in the field are miserable. Loyal, but miserable. While they believe in the product and the company history, but are frustrated and disappointed by management. Not unlike your clinicians- good people hoping things will one day get better.

Anonymous

04-23-2012, 01:08 PM

Anonymous

04-23-2012, 08:11 PM

Rookie comment here. Tissue level Staumann Standare is where "all" of your precious research is. Oh yeah, and you licensed the Internal Octagon Connection from Jerry Niznick in 1986! Corevent was the #1 Market Share Company in Dental Implants even up through the shuffle to Paragon - Calciteck - Sulzer. Read some Dental literature from time to time. Ask Dr. Rosenlicht and Dr. Ganz about the Swiss Plus Implant. It has the same Internal Octagon Connection as your outdated Straumann Standard Tissue level Implant with all the research and is clinically superior to it. Read the literature. By the way, Zimmer still manufactures and distributes the Swiss Plus. You are a copy cat company at best that got lucky and played the market right while others fumbled through acquisitions and poor Marketing strategy. What did you get your College degree in? Theater from FSU?

This may be the dumbest comment yet. Corevent never was #1. Swiss Plus is a copy of Straumann Tissue Level--not vice versa. Ask Dr. Rosenlicht and Dr. Ganz? Why? They'll tell you the same thing.

Niznick was the first to patent the internal hex in 1986. Straumann han an internal connection from the beginning, since 1974. They were successful and dominant well before Niznick claimed to have invented the sun. They developed the internal octogon, which Niznick then copied, and he continues to be known as THE knockoff artist. No specialists will work with ID because of this (aside from a handful of cowboys)--that's all you need to know.

Straumann has been been mimicked terribly (i.e. Swiss Plus and too many others to name) and has never been considered a "copycat" company.

Tell me, how did Straumann "get lucky" exactly? They were at least #2 in the world for a generation, have never veered from their innovative philosophy, and have had the largest research partner in implants (ITI) for the last 30 years. No other company is held to the standard that the ITI has created, which is why there are more hiccups (large and small) with other products. Straumann is now #1 and growing the lead. They don't "acquire" implant technologies as others do, they come up with them, and marketing has never been a strength. I guess you get "lucky" by creating and using evidence well, outpacing the market with better products over a long time, and building trust--not trying to gimmick your way through like Niznick and the other knockoff wannabe's. Luck had nothing to do with it. That "literature" you're reading must be a comic book.

Anonymous

04-23-2012, 08:18 PM

Don't get negative outcomes? Ask the docs and their patients who have metal showing in the anterior from the bone regressing from the polished collar, or the dark line showing through their soft tissue from the same. You consider that a "favorable" outcome?

They have always innovated? No. The transgingival implant in the posterior was genius, but using it in the anterior was and is foolish. So what innovations are you speaking of? The bone-level? A disappointment from the start to their users, who once upon a time no competitor could touch with a ten foot pole. Today, that dynamic has changed completely. Bad connection, bad pros, and not nearly what their loyal users had anticipated.

And I still stand by my comment that the reps in the field are miserable. Loyal, but miserable. While they believe in the product and the company history, but are frustrated and disappointed by management. Not unlike your clinicians- good people hoping things will one day get better.

Bad connection and pros? Not what the market is saying. And I still don't hear of or see us losing customers to the unknown and unproven pretenders like whoever you are. It's curious that you spout generalizations here but won't reveal whatever it is that you have or think can compare. I think the market speaks a bit louder than you, and we sell a TON
of Bone Level and have grown significantly because of it. Not Niznick fuzzy math numbers either. Fell free to look it up--it's public.

Anonymous

04-23-2012, 09:13 PM

How much does it cost any implant company to manufacture an implant?
Answer: $25-$50

How successful is any implant in the market?
Answer: 95%-98% success rates

So why does anyone pay for $400 implants and $200 abutments?

Studies? It is a titanium screw. They all work.

Look at any of the 150 implant companies in the world.
All implants have extremely different looks, surface treatment, collar, connection, thread pitch, etc... All work around 96% of the time.

Straumann used to tell everyone tissue level implants were a must.

They finally realized they were a dinosaur, and came out with bone level.

Placing Straumann? Bend over doctor.
Placing SLA Active? Bend over doctor, and no lube for you. You keep real quiet and we will make you an ITI Fellow. yeahhhhh.

Hahahahahahaha

After you recover from another unanticipated burst of maniacal laughter in your mother's basement (you should get that checked, by the way), please define what "success" is for me. Or define "they all work". Only if you can. Bonuses for "success" references that have any meaningful endpoints and from any publication worth reading. Don't hurt yourself thinking to do it or let me take you away from laugh time you could be missing.

Straumann still tells everyone tissue level is a must because it's still a better design than what you have.

Anonymous

04-24-2012, 06:36 AM

After you recover from another unanticipated burst of maniacal laughter in your mother's basement (you should get that checked, by the way), please define what "success" is for me. Or define "they all work". Only if you can. Bonuses for "success" references that have any meaningful endpoints and from any publication worth reading. Don't hurt yourself thinking to do it or let me take you away from laugh time you could be missing.

Straumann still tells everyone tissue level is a must because it's still a better design than what you have.

Yeah sure, Tissue Level is a "better" design. You pushed this so hard and encouraged Surgeons to counter-sink these in the anterior. Look at the xrays now and you see massive amounts of bone loss. Brilliant!

Anonymous

04-24-2012, 06:10 PM

Wow. Great stuff. I guess you win. Well-deserved, my man. I'll go tell the thousands of surgeons placing them they've got it all wrong now. I'll be right back.

Anonymous

04-25-2012, 08:59 AM

Wow. Great stuff. I guess you win. Well-deserved, my man. I'll go tell the thousands of surgeons placing them they've got it all wrong now. I'll be right back.

At least you would be being honest. Remember, that is exactly why your bonehead company came up with the 0 Research, Terrible Prost, Bone Level Implant that nobody wants to use because it sucks Prosthectically. Bad comeback man. Face it, you have been flat out lying to your Customers for years now and it has finally caught up with you.

Anonymous

04-25-2012, 06:45 PM

At least you would be being honest. Remember, that is exactly why your bonehead company came up with the 0 Research, Terrible Prost, Bone Level Implant that nobody wants to use because it sucks Prosthectically. Bad comeback man. Face it, you have been flat out lying to your Customers for years now and it has finally caught up with you.

Again, you're so far off it's comical, and would be embarrasing for you if you signed your ridiculous post. The research is in fact quite extensive and much too long to list here. Ask literally any clinician you respect and see what they say. The reputation is unparalleled. Straumann has never, and will never, launch anything without more diligence than every other company on the market. It's one of the many reasons you have misguided anger-you're the one doing the chasing-not the other way around. In addition, if it "sucks" as you say, how on Earth does it sell better and better each year, and snatch business from the other bone-level options out there? You'd think the "terrible prost" might be revealed a little sooner than the 5 successful years the product has been on the market? They don't launch things every other minute like other outfits with dubious results. It's why they're trusted on the level they are.

If you're this desperate, lashing out with laughable claims, you should sell something else because whatever you're doing isn't working out for you. I'm sure your credibility in the dental community couldn't get lower if your facts are this far off.

Anonymous

04-26-2012, 06:21 AM

Again, you're so far off it's comical, and would be embarrasing for you if you signed your ridiculous post. The research is in fact quite extensive and much too long to list here. Ask literally any clinician you respect and see what they say. The reputation is unparalleled. Straumann has never, and will never, launch anything without more diligence than every other company on the market. It's one of the many reasons you have misguided anger-you're the one doing the chasing-not the other way around. In addition, if it "sucks" as you say, how on Earth does it sell better and better each year, and snatch business from the other bone-level options out there? You'd think the "terrible prost" might be revealed a little sooner than the 5 successful years the product has been on the market? They don't launch things every other minute like other outfits with dubious results. It's why they're trusted on the level they are.

If you're this desperate, lashing out with laughable claims, you should sell something else because whatever you're doing isn't working out for you. I'm sure your credibility in the dental community couldn't get lower if your facts are this far off.

Your Corporate juggling act is amazing. "The Bone Level grows year over year". Yeah, it is canabalizing business from your outdated Tissue Level. Your Customers tell me that they hate it and from what I see, most of your loyal Customers still use the Tissue Level because of the GP's response to your Bone Level option. Maybe you should get out in the field more?

Anonymous

04-26-2012, 08:24 AM

Again, you're so far off it's comical, and would be embarrasing for you if you signed your ridiculous post. The research is in fact quite extensive and much too long to list here. Ask literally any clinician you respect and see what they say. The reputation is unparalleled. Straumann has never, and will never, launch anything without more diligence than every other company on the market. It's one of the many reasons you have misguided anger-you're the one doing the chasing-not the other way around. In addition, if it "sucks" as you say, how on Earth does it sell better and better each year, and snatch business from the other bone-level options out there? You'd think the "terrible prost" might be revealed a little sooner than the 5 successful years the product has been on the market? They don't launch things every other minute like other outfits with dubious results. It's why they're trusted on the level they are.

If you're this desperate, lashing out with laughable claims, you should sell something else because whatever you're doing isn't working out for you. I'm sure your credibility in the dental community couldn't get lower if your facts are this far off.

Straumann launched the TE without much diligence years ago as well as the 4.1/6.5 configuration. Be careful of what you say!

Anonymous

04-26-2012, 03:19 PM

Your Corporate juggling act is amazing. "The Bone Level grows year over year". Yeah, it is canabalizing business from your outdated Tissue Level. Your Customers tell me that they hate it and from what I see, most of your loyal Customers still use the Tissue Level because of the GP's response to your Bone Level option. Maybe you should get out in the field more?

It must be fun to be crazy. All you need to do is track Straumann's consistent growth in the public, published sales numbers. I'm in the field constantly--don't understand what you're referencing, and don't lose customers. The response has been overwhelmingly positive, and of course, there was some expected cannabalization, but more than that, we've won over competitors in the anterior cases we never used to get because, guess what? We're TRUSTED. I know that's a foreign concept to you.

If they hate it (as you state), why don't they switch over to you? (whatever knockoff you sell and are too gutless to reveal) Oh yeah, I forgot--you're a knockoff. Time for you to trick another unsuspecting GP into buying 5 implants as you give him 6 with free abutments and a kit. Enjoy. The free ones will come in handy to replace the failed ones. And so it goes...

Anonymous

04-26-2012, 03:34 PM

Straumann launched the TE without much diligence years ago as well as the 4.1/6.5 configuration. Be careful of what you say!

The success rates of the TE are as high as the straight walled--close to 100%. SLA and SLActive are the quickest integrating, highest BIC implant surfaces on the market, with millions of them in patients all over the world. No negative press or recalls in the entire history of the company. I'm sure you wish every day that you had this type of real credibility. Sadly, you don't. There's probably an easier fight to pick for you if you eventually hope to make money selling your screws somewhere. If you haven't figured that out yet, I don't know what other advice I can give you.

Anonymous

04-27-2012, 06:04 AM

The success rates of the TE are as high as the straight walled--close to 100%. SLA and SLActive are the quickest integrating, highest BIC implant surfaces on the market, with millions of them in patients all over the world. No negative press or recalls in the entire history of the company. I'm sure you wish every day that you had this type of real credibility. Sadly, you don't. There's probably an easier fight to pick for you if you eventually hope to make money selling your screws somewhere. If you haven't figured that out yet, I don't know what other advice I can give you.

Highest "BIC" implant surface on the market? Please reference your information from a independent double blind study? If you can't, then shut the F*#K up because you have no clue of what you're talking about! Bone to implant contact correlates greatly with the torque insertion an implant goes in. Although you guys have one of the higher torque insertions, it's certainly NOT the highest.

Please try you BS again?

Anonymous

04-27-2012, 08:28 AM

The success rates of the TE are as high as the straight walled--close to 100%. SLA and SLActive are the quickest integrating, highest BIC implant surfaces on the market, with millions of them in patients all over the world. No negative press or recalls in the entire history of the company. I'm sure you wish every day that you had this type of real credibility. Sadly, you don't. There's probably an easier fight to pick for you if you eventually hope to make money selling your screws somewhere. If you haven't figured that out yet, I don't know what other advice I can give you.

Son,

You made the statement that Straumann doesnt introduce products with proper diligence. I only informed you that the TE and 4.1/6.5 were released without it. Yes,they may work but know your facts before you open up your piehole. There are far more smarter people out here than you!

Please allow me to give you some advice. Get out of the implant game. Its a stagnant market. The glory days are far from over! There is little credibility left in the industry and you will have ahard time proving it to me so dont try!

Anonymous

04-27-2012, 08:37 AM

If you were a doctor and found value in using the SLActive it you owe it to yourself to look at Thommens Innicel. Before you bash me for working for them I do not and have no alliance with them. Just know what I am talking about!

Anyways these topice is about teaching GP's to place!

Anonymous

04-29-2012, 09:35 AM

Anonymous

04-29-2012, 09:18 PM

Highest "BIC" implant surface on the market? Please reference your information from a independent double blind study? If you can't, then shut the F*#K up because you have no clue of what you're talking about! Bone to implant contact correlates greatly with the torque insertion an implant goes in. Although you guys have one of the higher torque insertions, it's certainly NOT the highest.

Please try you BS again?

I'm referencing SECONDARY stability (you know, the part of the process that correlates with osseointegration, or why anyone does this in the first place?) If you want extremely high insertion torque and primary stability, go try Nobel Active. It's a crappy design, surface and connection by the way, but you'll get you're precious initial stability. You'll just be disappointed in what occurs after that.

I'm much more interested in overall quality of integration, and ultimate, indefinite success. The high predictability of that is inextricably linked to biologic success as well, not just mechanical.

Since you were the first to start claims about Straumann product without backup, I'll leave it to you to disprove my statements rather than the other way around. You're just one of the many chasing the tail of the company with the highest degree of product respect, so the onus is on you. Most likely you're someone representing ID, Blue Sky, Keystone, etc. If so, you're gonna be a little light on proof.

Anonymous

05-07-2012, 11:41 AM

The high predictability of that is inextricably linked to biologic success as well, not just mechanical.

Sounds like some blowhard statement a Straumann rep would make. Don't doctors feel like tools when Straumann reps try to sell them this B.S.?

Anonymous

05-08-2012, 06:35 AM

Sounds like some blowhard statement a Straumann rep would make. Don't doctors feel like tools when Straumann reps try to sell them this B.S.?

When my Rep came in spouting off bull like this, thats when I kicked them to the curb. Couldn't be happier now. Been using one of their Premium Competitors ever since. Saved me tens of thousands per year....

Anonymous

05-09-2012, 08:04 AM

When my Rep came in spouting off bull like this, thats when I kicked them to the curb. Couldn't be happier now. Been using one of their Premium Competitors ever since. Saved me tens of thousands per year....

You are the worst fake poster I've ever seen. Could you be dumber? At least put a little effort into it and Stop Capitalizing when it's Not called For. Your garbage is recognizable on every board when you pretend to be a surgeon during your play time.

Knockoff troll = Knockoff IQ. No wonder you can't get a real job. Do everyone a favor and disappear.