Why are so many people looking or have already left?

[Anonymous]

Contacted a recruiter about an opportunity with Novartis, they said they are seeing more resumes coming from solid Novatis reps every day. kind of warned me away. They steered me towards several other opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Just a guess, but with the malignant corporate culture, many of the ambitious or high principled reps have dived out. In addition, at least in the Chicago region, there are 2 of the most toxic regional managers in the industry. Know of a couple President club winners who left right after the trip rather than be threatened on a daily basis.

[Anonymous]

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Just a guess, but with the malignant corporate culture, many of the ambitious or high principled reps have dived out. In addition, at least in the Chicago region, there are 2 of the most toxic regional managers in the industry. Know of a couple President club winners who left right after the trip rather than be threatened on a daily basis.

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Read some of the post on car upgrade and that will tell why the good reps (mostly white ones ) have gotten the fuck out.

[Anonymous]

Lisa Brez is one of them in the Kansas City area. She calls herself Mama Dog! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

Lisa is sleeping with a married DM in this company. One guess on who he is?

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

Where did you get your MBA? They must not have offered any English classes. But i guess you are DUE...What a shame...you admit in your post that there is bias in promotions. You would promote blacks over whites just because they are due? Your fucked up...Promote people because they are more qualified not because of the color of their skin...

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!


WOW! This Bro has been hitting the "malt Liquor" tonight! He really thinks blacks deserve to be promoted over whites. Well here is your typical black American who has the entitlement complex.

Just "cause they be poor black folk" they should get ahead. Well thats EEOC for ya!!

Get promoted on merit and stop looking for a handout typical yard-ape!!!

[Anonymous]

Want to hear a funny joke?






Black people.

[Anonymous]

YOU WANT TO HERE A JOKE?

WHO'S SO PISSED OFF THAT BLACKS ARE GETTING PROMOTED?


WHITE PEOPLE!

ALSO THE FRIST APE HAD WHITE DESENDENTS, APE!

[Anonymous]

YOU WANT TO HERE A JOKE?

WHO'S SO PISSED OFF THAT BLACKS ARE GETTING PROMOTED?


WHITE PEOPLE!

ALSO THE FRIST APE HAD WHITE DESENDENTS, APE!

That's really not that funny.
Actually, I don't even understand it.
Apes?

Keep sharpening the spears, Jamal.

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

I grow so tired of this junk...This is the reason I left Novartis recently.

Novartis has grown to the point where it must balance legal and performance issues. If you attend senior leadership meetings, quotas are discussed openly. That includes racial and gender quotas. I know because as a former "developmental candidate", I had the opportunity to participate in these meetings.

In fact, I had interviewed for a DM opportunity, and I lost the opportunity to a minority, job-share candidate. I sought out this opportunity b/c of its location. I was not encouraged to apply. During the interview process, it was evident from the start that the decision had been made. This candidate had NO developmental experience. I later sat in a meeting, in which the participants didn't know I had participated in the interview process, where senior management discussed that the candidate had been chosen to improve the "diversity" within the business unit. Pure and simple.

So don't think it doesn't happen. It does. If you think "reverse racism" corrects a past wrong, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.

I chose to leave b/c I no longer wanted to be part of a company that participated in such behavior. I didn't sue, like many "minority" employees have. I just found something better.

I am now in a management position, and I have the opportunity to hire. I choose to hire based on qualifications. Thankfully, my company is small enough and smart enough to support that philosophy.

[Anonymous]

This outfit has become an advocate of reverse discrimination hiring, and everyone here knows it. Paulo Cosat and the HR VPs flew all over the country hiring mainly unqualified blacks starting about 4 years ago. I was attending a DO physicians national convention, when Paulo and his train of YES men arrived at the exhibit hall. They all walked by large exhibit and promptly started interviewing black "candidates" over at the United Negro College fund exhibit. I and several other reps witnessed them talking to these folks and then escorting them over to side rooms for their "job interviews". Of course they completely ignored the 8 of us working at our large exhibit booth, and never even walked by to say hi. Anyway, three blacks were hired and NONE of them had pharma experience, BUT they did previously sell Verizon cellphones. So, I guess that made them qualified. They were all very nice people, but I was upset when I was told by our DM to mentor two of them for their training exams. This occurred after both of them failed their tests, but were actually given 2 other chances to "pass" them. How nice. This situation happened at dozens of locations throughout the US, and I have talked with four other reps who witnessed the same stuff that I did, in their cities.

[Anonymous]

If you don't think managers are being forced to hire black candidates talk to anyone in manager development or anyone who has sat in on an interview with a manager. I know one manager who was told to hire only black candidates to fill her entire team for the N6 expansion (contract). I'm sure there are just as many qualified black candidates as there are white but don't force it. If it happens let it happen. It does get a little discouraging. I don't know why a manager hasn't spoke up to HR or someone that may listen and stop this crap. Oh wait , HR is prob behind it all.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised so many people are still here!

The RDs out west are a bunch of stupid fucks that could not lead anyone down a one-way street. The DMs could not motivate a dog to take a shit after eating a bowlful of laxatives and the podpets are such fucking asskissers that the job ain't worth it anymore.

[Anonymous]

They will ride you until you mess up.....then they will fire you and hire someone else at a lower salary to ride for another few years.... and the process goes on. Novartis doesn't care for your American ass.... They're a Swiss company..... Good grief.... Wake up...

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

This person obviously got their MBA at an all black school or took some other more qualified applicants spot because of their minority status! After reading this post with its many gramatical mistakes and twisted logic, I do agree on one point. He/She probably will be a DM with Novartis. They fit the profile perfectly. Dumb, full of shit, not qualified and not likely to be repected by your reps. Sad, but true!

[Anonymous]

Original question was why so many people have left or are looking to leave Novartis...then the thread spiraled into a racially charged, name-calling pile of sh--
To the original question: I left because of money...pure and simple. Yep...I'm a whore. Sure, I agree with a lot of what people have written. Poor management, inappropriate quotas, poor hiring practices...the list goes on and on. But bottom line? I wanted what I perceived would be a better job. Fortunately I found it. I have a lot of friends still at Novartis and I'm actively engaged in getting them out. Not just out of Novartis, but out of of big pharma. I chose a medical device job, but I know a few who have completely left the world of medical.
Don't get me wrong...the pharma job can be a good one. But so much of it depends on your manager and to some extent, the RD. I had three different managers in my 4 years at Novartis (no big shocker). Of the three, only one of them really "got it". He knew what rep life was like and didn't force us to "drink the company kool-aid" like a lot of other managers. Interestingly, he left Novartis after three years of management and went into device sales. He got tired of the BS too.
I left about the time Novartis was giving original timelines for new product launches and the mass-hiring began. Why leave when the "future looked so bright"? Too many reps in a POD, not enough personal accountability, hiring decisions for new reps, low pay...again, all the reasons we've heard before. Unfortunately for Novartis, there have been a few setbacks with launches, and now with the withdrawl of Zelnorm (a drug I launched), I'm curious to see where the company with go. Of course Novartis will still succeed. They have way too much money in the bank. And honestly, I think they do have some blockbusters in the pipeline. But at the rep level? It's going to be the same 'ol same 'ol.
You've heard it before from the reps who have been around for a while. They say stick it out during the tough times, ride the wave with the good times, and it all kind of balances out. I believe that. The question is...can you survive the tough times when you have an incompetent manager riding your ass? Or when your'e in a POD where more than half the counterparts give a less-than-stellar effort? Or when your goals are so out-of-whack that your rankings suffer? (After all, it is all about the rankings.) Tough questions.

[Anonymous]

"Just like a dumbass. Why can't minorities be just as competent as you. And by the way dumbass, minorities include white women."


WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT CONSIDERED MINORITIES at this company!!! That is just another line of bullshit the Afirmative Action people came up with to get white women on their side. WHITE ANYTHING is screwed at this company and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!!!!
Why do you think they mandated a 30% monority sales force for N6. Yes, they DID!!! And guess what? "Minority" did NOT include white women. Only people "of color" were included, so go fuck yourself, you misinformed idiot!

[Anonymous]

Post # 16 says it all, and I too saw Paulo and his group interviewing several blacks at an MD convention in Salt Lake City, about three years ago.

[Anonymous]

This outfit has become an advocate of reverse discrimination hiring, and everyone here knows it. Paulo Cosat and the HR VPs flew all over the country hiring mainly unqualified blacks starting about 4 years ago. I was attending a DO physicians national convention, when Paulo and his train of YES men arrived at the exhibit hall. They all walked by large exhibit and promptly started interviewing black "candidates" over at the United Negro College fund exhibit. I and several other reps witnessed them talking to these folks and then escorting them over to side rooms for their "job interviews". Of course they completely ignored the 8 of us working at our large exhibit booth, and never even walked by to say hi. Anyway, three blacks were hired and NONE of them had pharma experience, BUT they did previously sell Verizon cellphones. So, I guess that made them qualified. They were all very nice people, but I was upset when I was told by our DM to mentor two of them for their training exams. This occurred after both of them failed their tests, but were actually given 2 other chances to "pass" them. How nice. This situation happened at dozens of locations throughout the US, and I have talked with four other reps who witnessed the same stuff that I did, in their cities.

I bet you a million dollars there are more unqualified whites here than blacks. in my training class some dumb ass white bay did not know how to say efficacy or know the meaning oh yeah one better. How about another one flunked out of training. Out of one thousand 10 were sent packing non were black all were white. By the way I did not know Imus worked for Novartis

[Anonymous]

The above comments are obviously coming from a Minister Farrakhan lover.
My comments regarding unqualified black reps is both accurate and truthful. Sure, there are many unqualified white reps and they are weaned out. HOWEVER, I have NEVER observed even ONE unqualified black rep being let go. Just the multiple test taking routines alone prove that point. I have never seen a white rep given FOUR chances to re-take their training and other field exams. But, it happens ROUTINELY with black reps, and we/you all know why.

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

If you are going to post a racial bitch fit, please learn to use proper grammer and learn how to spell. Go back and read what you wrote before you hit submit....I guess you have to Ax yourself whether or not you learned how to form an intelligent sentence from your prolific BS and MBA? I have had 4 managers in my pharma career and two of them were black and two were white. The two black managers were and are the laziest SOB's you could imagine. Not a stereotype(this is the correct spelling..see yours above), but factual by the actions that they did and didn't take. You can turn a blind eye and promote(if you make manager) someone because of talent and performance, or you can hold your fist in the air and "unite"...you make the call.

[Anonymous]

I bet you a million dollars there are more unqualified whites here than blacks. in my training class some dumb ass white bay did not know how to say efficacy or know the meaning oh yeah one better. How about another one flunked out of training. Out of one thousand 10 were sent packing non were black all were white. By the way I did not know Imus worked for Novartis

Learn how to spell stupid shit. White Bays, non were black(its none idiot, and oh yeah one better totally doesn't fit in. Bitch at Imus when your entire culture and rap music stops saying the "N" word to each other or about each other. Jesse and Al are a disgrace to all human beings and are nothing but band waggon hate mongers. I guess its easy to put Rev. in front of your name.

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

I don't work for Novartis - actually Bristol-Myers Squibb, but we have must have the same BLACKS working for our company too... Everyone of them (Imus'ism) that I work with is lazy and screws-up all the time. The sad thing is that if white worker who executes the same screw-ups - GET's FIRED!

[Anonymous]

I don't work for Novartis - actually Bristol-Myers Squibb, but we have must have the same BLACKS working for our company too... Everyone of them (Imus'ism) that I work with is lazy and screws-up all the time. The sad thing is that if white worker who executes the same screw-ups - GET's FIRED!

This is true. Thats why we need to claim "reverse discrimination" and put an end to this EEOC bullshit. Get a job and keep it because you do the work, not because your a minority. Why do we have to keep paying for something that happened 100's of years ago and most of us were not even slave owners!

Tired of the "race" card being thrown around when they need an excuse!!

[Anonymous]

I don't work for Novartis - actually Bristol-Myers Squibb, but we have must have the same BLACKS working for our company too... Everyone of them (Imus'ism) that I work with is lazy and screws-up all the time. The sad thing is that if white worker who executes the same screw-ups - GET's FIRED!

How about ML?

[Anonymous]

How about ML?

[Anonymous]

This is true. Thats why we need to claim "reverse discrimination" and put an end to this EEOC bullshit. Get a job and keep it because you do the work, not because your a minority. Why do we have to keep paying for something that happened 100's of years ago and most of us were not even slave owners!

Tired of the "race" card being thrown around when they need an excuse!!

We dont have a chance ("we" as in the hardworking white folk). Everytime someone says "Nappy Headed" the news networks are all over it and the black people sceam RACISM. When black comedians, rappers, assholes etc. call white people slave owning crackers or even their own people ******s no one cares. So until CNN grows up and stops kissing Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's asses dont expect the race card to go anywhere.

On the other hand if you think about, it is people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson that keep the black man down because they make black people look even stupider!

[Anonymous]

We dont have a chance ("we" as in the hardworking white folk). Everytime someone says "Nappy Headed" the news networks are all over it and the black people sceam RACISM. When black comedians, rappers, assholes etc. call white people slave owning crackers or even their own people ******s no one cares. So until CNN grows up and stops kissing Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's asses dont expect the race card to go anywhere.

On the other hand if you think about, it is people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson that keep the black man down because they make black people look even stupider!

Those peoples (black ebonics) have and will always surpress their image because of people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other self imposed "Reverends" are Vultures and prey on victims for THEIR own benefit.

It's about time to support King Kashew and his assorted Knuts!

[Anonymous]

I bet you a million dollars there are more unqualified whites here than blacks. in my training class some dumb ass white bay did not know how to say efficacy or know the meaning oh yeah one better. How about another one flunked out of training. Out of one thousand 10 were sent packing non were black all were white. By the way I did not know Imus worked for Novartis

WELL HERE IS SOMETHING FOR YA, A BLACK CHICK IN MY TRAINING couldnt fucking say: AT1 and AT2 she kept saying : at 1 and at 2 like the word "at" the trainer had to fucking pull her out with a breakout leader to get this through her fucking black skull AND TO MAKE IT WORSE..... she started fucking crying saying SHE WAS GETING PICKED ON

[Anonymous]

Many of the blacks who were hired several years ago were not qualified, except to sell cell phones. And that's the type of sales many blacks did before Paulo and his YES men flew around the US hiring blacks to meet the EEOC quota. I try to treat each person as an individual, but crooked assholes like Jackson and Sharpton will always make black people seem like a second echelon group of losers. The ghetto blacks are hopeless but the preppy blacks do know better, and should be out denouncing creeps like Jackson and Sharpton. Imus was always an idiot, and deserved exactly what he got.

[Anonymous]

Will it solve your problems if all sales reps are white? Is that what you want?

No wonder so many other countries look down on America. Shame. We go around preaching freedom and democracy and there continues to be a thinly veiled hatred for black people. Just what did black people do to be treated so inhumanely?

If blacks weren't here--Americans would find some other group to hate. Why must white people be superior over others?

So what should black people be doing at Novartis? In the kitchen cleaning the floors? Will it make you feel superior? You prejudiced sales reps are pathetic.
Go on and defend your whiteness--thats all you have going for you. Losers.

[Anonymous]

Will it solve your problems if all sales reps are white? Is that what you want?

No wonder so many other countries look down on America. Shame. We go around preaching freedom and democracy and there continues to be a thinly veiled hatred for black people. Just what did black people do to be treated so inhumanely?

If blacks weren't here--Americans would find some other group to hate. Why must white people be superior over others?

So what should black people be doing at Novartis? In the kitchen cleaning the floors? Will it make you feel superior? You prejudiced sales reps are pathetic.
Go on and defend your whiteness--thats all you have going for you. Losers.

Hey Nappy Head. Did you ever fiqure out that whites are down on blacks?Because we are tired of this EEOC bullshit! When promotions are based on race/gender it gets old and we the whites feel discrimationed against.

There are numerous examples in Novartis that unqualified people got the jobs because they are minorities. Just as LG RAM in FL. She doesn't know the first thing about being a RAM and never had the experience. Just because she was friends with the other spic cunt who was also promoted as DM down their made a double hit for EEOC.

Neither had the experience needed to have those jobs, and it showed!!

[Anonymous]

Contacted a recruiter about an opportunity with Novartis, they said they are seeing more resumes coming from solid Novatis reps every day. kind of warned me away. They steered me towards several other opportunities.

BULLSHIT!!!! ANY RECRUITER WOULD NEVER SWAY ANYONE FROM A JOB- THEY GET PAID AND COULD GIVE A SHIT WHO WHAT OR HOW BAD A COMPANY IS......GO SPURT YOUR FUCKING LIES SOMEPLACE ELSE

[Anonymous]

We dont have a chance ("we" as in the hardworking white folk). Everytime someone says "Nappy Headed" the news networks are all over it and the black people sceam RACISM. When black comedians, rappers, assholes etc. call white people slave owning crackers or even their own people ******s no one cares. So until CNN grows up and stops kissing Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's asses dont expect the race card to go anywhere.

On the other hand if you think about, it is people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson that keep the black man down because they make black people look even stupider!

How would you feel if someone called your women stringy headed sluts of ho's. Blacks go to college just like you do and actually perform better than you do so are they not qualified. What is the difference between a white person who went to harvard with a 2.9 and a black person who went to Harvard with a 4.0. Another white person employed.

[Anonymous]

Contacted a recruiter about an opportunity with Novartis, they said they are seeing more resumes coming from solid Novatis reps every day. kind of warned me away. They steered me towards several other opportunities.

Yes, similar experience I had with Novartis, they are pretty rude oh AstraZenica takes the pie in the rude category. The most impressive has been Pfizer.

[Anonymous]

INCOMPETENCE KNOWS NO COLOR!!

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

When did the University of Phoenix begin offering masters programs?

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!If you have an MBA why are you a rep?...hoping to break into corporate via the back door quota system? Settle down brother...quotas exist and you know it. These same quotas will keep YOU out of job if you are competing with a black female...you know it's true. Novartis made it very clear 7 years ago that they wanted to hire more "people of color" because they had done a bad job of it (i.e. let's play catch-up). I'm hispanic and I don't get offended by these assertions as I know them to be true and agree that no individual should be hired, promoted, or considered purely on the basis of their skin color. You want equity, I hear you, then let's have 6 white guys, 2 hispanics, 2 blacks, 1 asian, and 1 american indian comprise every nfl team...or better yet let's have 3 white guys, 1 hispanic, 1 black, and 1 asian comprise every nba team. See equity based soley on the fact the you are "DO" doesn't work. It only serves to inervate the sytem with a petulant virus.

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!



This is clearly a joke to get others to respond. The grammar has to be intentional.

[Anonymous]

Will it solve your problems if all sales reps are white? Is that what you want?

No wonder so many other countries look down on America. Shame. We go around preaching freedom and democracy and there continues to be a thinly veiled hatred for black people. Just what did black people do to be treated so inhumanely?

If blacks weren't here--Americans would find some other group to hate. Why must white people be superior over others?

So what should black people be doing at Novartis? In the kitchen cleaning the floors? Will it make you feel superior? You prejudiced sales reps are pathetic.
Go on and defend your whiteness--thats all you have going for you. Losers.Nobody wants nor is asking that all sales reps be a singular color. They, we are asking that any promotion or job be based solely on merit NOT the color of your skin. Your question "what have black people done" to deserve this is looking in the wrong direction. The question you should be asking is what haven't black people done for themselves and why after not having improved their lot in 130+ years are we responsible for taking care of them. Let's review...1 in every 3 black men aged 13-30 are in some phase of the correctional system...not one neighborhood where blacks have moved in has prospered, on the contrary these newly transformed areas have become blighted with prostitution, gang activity, and crime...70% of black children are born to single moms...the higest defaults on property taxes are from predominately black neighborhoods...the list could go on all night so let's cut to the chase. You want to be treated equally then act equally. Don't expect, ask, nor demand a handout from someone and especially don't listen to venemous spew from Jackson, Sharpton and any other individual who is willing to get you something for free because in doing so you may be fed for the rest or your life but you will never learn how to do anything for yourself, your family nor your race.

[Anonymous]

I MUST SPEAK UP FOR MINORTIES RIGHT NOW B/C I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY SUCH IGNORANT STATEMENTS MADE IN THIS POST. FIRST OF ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE NOT MINORITIES THEY ARE THE LOOPHOLE OF A RULE THAT WAS CREATED FOR EQUAL OPPORTUNIY. AN IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT HAS EVER EXISTED WHITE MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WHICH PLACES THER FRINEDS AND FAMILIES IN POSITION OVER PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE NOT QULIFIED FOR. FOR EVERYONE BLACK THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTE 1000 WHITE MEN HAVE BEEN GIVE A POSITION OFF THIS SYSTEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT A SMALL FEW OF YOU DONT GET IT. IN THIS INDUSTRY TO LAND A JOB AS A BLACK MAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF AN THEN THEY ARE ALL OVER YOU HOPING YOU ARE NOT THE STEROTIPICAL BLACK MEN THAT IS DISPLAYED ON TV! AS FOR A WHITE MAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO MEET THE MINIMUM! I AM A BLACK MAN FOR THE COMPANY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROMOTED SHOULD BE! SO PLEASE STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD AS A WHITE PERSON WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN THE CARD FOREVER! BE BLESS AND NOT SO UNGREATFUL. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REAL WITH YOURSELF AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. NOT MANY JOBS OUT THEIR PAY THIS TYPE OF MONEY FOR WHAT WE DO! AN TO GIVE SOME HISTORY OF MYSELF EDUCATED(BS AND MBA) PROVEN SALES HISTORY AND SOME OF YOU WILL BE WORKING UNDER ME SOON. AN I WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE BLACKS OVER WHITES JUST B/C WE ARE DO! LOVE, PEACE, AND HAPPINESS!

there are no minorities get over it, you make excuses for your lack of promotion/movement in your organization, your lack of success is probably more likely due to your lack of talent, although i'm sure your very talented when it comes to pointing your finger at white people lol stop making excuses for once in your life trust me buddy people laugh at you behind your back

[Anonymous]

I grow so tired of this junk...This is the reason I left Novartis recently.

Novartis has grown to the point where it must balance legal and performance issues. If you attend senior leadership meetings, quotas are discussed openly. That includes racial and gender quotas. I know because as a former "developmental candidate", I had the opportunity to participate in these meetings.

In fact, I had interviewed for a DM opportunity, and I lost the opportunity to a minority, job-share candidate. I sought out this opportunity b/c of its location. I was not encouraged to apply. During the interview process, it was evident from the start that the decision had been made. This candidate had NO developmental experience. I later sat in a meeting, in which the participants didn't know I had participated in the interview process, where senior management discussed that the candidate had been chosen to improve the "diversity" within the business unit. Pure and simple.

So don't think it doesn't happen. It does. If you think "reverse racism" corrects a past wrong, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.

I chose to leave b/c I no longer wanted to be part of a company that participated in such behavior. I didn't sue, like many "minority" employees have. I just found something better.

I am now in a management position, and I have the opportunity to hire. I choose to hire based on qualifications. Thankfully, my company is small enough and smart enough to support that philosophy.

Good for you. I'm in the Management Process and was just sold out by a counterpart who is in the MDP too. She turned me in because I made copies of a free domain screening tool (at the speaker's request). Watch you backs . .

[Anonymous]

White men will be the minority someday here at Negrovartis!

My manager is looking for a N2 spot to fill and openly said that he will get extra recognition if he hires a female and much more if he hires a black person. He asked me to think of any black drug reps in my current territory and get me their phone numbers.

Sad that this is such a high criteria over being legitimately qualified for the position.

[Anonymous]

I have been trying to stay in contact with her for a position,but she's hard to contact.

[Negrodamus]

What did the black guy get on his SAT's?













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[Anonymous]

This whole thread must about about Tony Banks in Kansas City