Virolgy Morale Seems Low...that "tri-regional" meeting was a mess

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Was it just me who thought that the meeting in Atlanta was just awful? Please post your opinions of DBMs and RBDs

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Absolutely - Hard to pinpoint. The I-C plan is definitely better, but as someone who came from CV met and then neuroscience, and then joined virology two years ago, this division has turned exactly into those divisions. With segmentation and the rigid sales messages, it's almost so inflexible that I want to crawl out of my skin. I'm always looking over my shoulder. The Northeast region is the worst...

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Omigod that is so true! What happened to L & D? Sabina whatsername is on crack! She is going in a million directions! Talk about busy work! Between her and their stepford training techniques, I would prefer to be in primary care. I have been interviewing already...

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This sounds like the same person posting and then replying to themselves. When are you going to get it? Do you really think these guys look at these message boards and are willing to change anything based on what is said here. If you are in virology, that division is in so much trouble and it's not because anything home office or a region has done. Take a look in the mirror if you want to see the reason it sucks.

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This sounds like the same person posting and then replying to themselves. When are you going to get it? Do you really think these guys look at these message boards and are willing to change anything based on what is said here. If you are in virology, that division is in so much trouble and it's not because anything home office or a region has done. Take a look in the mirror if you want to see the reason it sucks.

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Virology isn't really in trouble. Primary care DEFINITELY is. That being said, Virology is a division with 2 awesome products. Unfortunately, forces from primary care have come over and essentially taken over the division. I know it sounds snobby to "knock" primary care; however, most of us paid our dues in primary care to be in what used to be the 'crown jewel' division of BMS. I might be trying to cling to the golden days, but it truly is tough to see it go from what it was to have it deteriorate to what it now is. So when you try to say the blame is on 'us' in virology, you are wrong. The division went from a miniscule source of revenue to a huge source in less than a decade. At the POA, or whatever the hell they call it now, it was noted several times that virology is on track to do a BILLION dollars in 2006, and yet to those of us who have been around for a long time we get the feeling from upper management that it still 'isn't enough'....and THAT, my friend, is what truly sucks. You need to get your head out of your butt and grow up. You sound like a member of management, actually. You probably are.

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To all of those who recently joined Virology from PC or outside the company - get a friggin life - you couldn't have it any better. Yes, the division has changed and will continue to - unfortunate part of being successful and everyone up the ladder wanting to be involved. The original members of this group have the greatest appreciation of where it came from and those who are newest are just plain ignorant of the history. You are paid well and should recognize it. No samples, a realistic call frequency (vs. PC) and a job that hundreds of PC reps would love to have right now with the impending layoff. I've been around for awhile and have seen ongoing changes - I realized that those who want things the way they used to be are the ones who left for Gilead or elsewhere. Stick around long enough and the names and faces in middle and upper mgmt will change - it is the way it works, play the game, give them the two thumbs up at the meetings and then do your own thing at home.
I feel bad for the folks on the hepatitis side who have had a hell of a tough start this past year - now their starting to rock - good job guys/gals.

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To all of those who recently joined Virology from PC or outside the company - get a friggin life - you couldn't have it any better. Yes, the division has changed and will continue to - unfortunate part of being successful and everyone up the ladder wanting to be involved. The original members of this group have the greatest appreciation of where it came from and those who are newest are just plain ignorant of the history. You are paid well and should recognize it. No samples, a realistic call frequency (vs. PC) and a job that hundreds of PC reps would love to have right now with the impending layoff. I've been around for awhile and have seen ongoing changes - I realized that those who want things the way they used to be are the ones who left for Gilead or elsewhere. Stick around long enough and the names and faces in middle and upper mgmt will change - it is the way it works, play the game, give them the two thumbs up at the meetings and then do your own thing at home.
I feel bad for the folks on the hepatitis side who have had a hell of a tough start this past year - now their starting to rock - good job guys/gals.

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Listen old timer, THE EXODUS HAS BEGUN....GET OUT BEFORE VIROLOGY BECOMES THE NEW PC DIVISION OF BMS

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To all of those who recently joined Virology from PC or outside the company - get a friggin life - you couldn't have it any better. Yes, the division has changed and will continue to - unfortunate part of being successful and everyone up the ladder wanting to be involved. The original members of this group have the greatest appreciation of where it came from and those who are newest are just plain ignorant of the history. You are paid well and should recognize it. No samples, a realistic call frequency (vs. PC) and a job that hundreds of PC reps would love to have right now with the impending layoff. I've been around for awhile and have seen ongoing changes - I realized that those who want things the way they used to be are the ones who left for Gilead or elsewhere. Stick around long enough and the names and faces in middle and upper mgmt will change - it is the way it works, play the game, give them the two thumbs up at the meetings and then do your own thing at home.
I feel bad for the folks on the hepatitis side who have had a hell of a tough start this past year - now their starting to rock - good job guys/gals.

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Very well said.

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Virology is a great place to be. I have worked for other companies and this has been the best so far. I don't know where this morale thing is coming from, but our region is very happy.

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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Virology is a great place to be. I have worked for other companies and this has been the best so far. I don't know where this morale thing is coming from, but our region is very happy.

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It wouldn't be if you were in the Northeast or the Central Region. My guess: you are in the west

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I am new to virology from outside the company. This was my first "tri-regional" meeting. What a joke!! Is it always L&D based? They brought everyone from around the country to practice "engage" over and over and over! Don't they get it? People do not talk that way. They are wasting valuable time and money focusing on that. On something I will only use when my manager is around. Focus on how to improve my business. Find ways to do programs that are effective. During the whole legal discussion I waited for someone to raise their hand and ask if we can d/c programs all together. They are a disgusting waste of time and money. Doctors will not attend local llittle programs where their competitor from down the road is speaking. A bunch of MA's and receptionists come. As for the PC thing. I have not been around to see changes but I will say their is less big brother than at other companies. So for now I will enjoy my fat paycheck.

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I am new to virology from outside the company. This was my first "tri-regional" meeting. What a joke!! Is it always L&D based? They brought everyone from around the country to practice "engage" over and over and over! Don't they get it? People do not talk that way. They are wasting valuable time and money focusing on that. On something I will only use when my manager is around. Focus on how to improve my business. Find ways to do programs that are effective. During the whole legal discussion I waited for someone to raise their hand and ask if we can d/c programs all together. They are a disgusting waste of time and money. Doctors will not attend local llittle programs where their competitor from down the road is speaking. A bunch of MA's and receptionists come. As for the PC thing. I have not been around to see changes but I will say their is less big brother than at other companies. So for now I will enjoy my fat paycheck.

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I'm a virology vet who has watched the rapid deterioration of this division. Due to my pension and retirement, leaving is not an option, but I have to say that this post hit the nail on the head. When did L&D take over the company? You put a speed freak wacko like Sabina in charge and this is what you get. And with the legal restrictions that the company puts on us along with the canned, unrealistic sales dialogue, I wonder why anyone would want to come to this company... I can see why someone new from the outside would cringe.

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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I'm laughing my a$$ off at these posts. I really don't think it's a problem. Probably one pissed off person, but I just can't help and think about PC. Man, now there is some morale problems right now.

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I am new to virology from outside the company. This was my first "tri-regional" meeting. What a joke!! Is it always L&D based? They brought everyone from around the country to practice "engage" over and over and over! Don't they get it? People do not talk that way. They are wasting valuable time and money focusing on that. On something I will only use when my manager is around. Focus on how to improve my business. Find ways to do programs that are effective. During the whole legal discussion I waited for someone to raise their hand and ask if we can d/c programs all together. They are a disgusting waste of time and money. Doctors will not attend local llittle programs where their competitor from down the road is speaking. A bunch of MA's and receptionists come. As for the PC thing. I have not been around to see changes but I will say their is less big brother than at other companies. So for now I will enjoy my fat paycheck.

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Can you share with me why you feel this way? Could you describe how your feelings now compare to your feelings when you don't use the dialogue probes? Can you share a success story on the utilization of the attributes?

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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I'm laughing my a$$ off at these posts. I really don't think it's a problem. Probably one pissed off person, but I just can't help and think about PC. Man, now there is some morale problems right now.

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It is unbelievable how they treat PC. How many times is this going to happen.

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I just wish PC would get the call already. What's taking so long?

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I am new to virology from outside the company. This was my first "tri-regional" meeting. What a joke!! Is it always L&D based? They brought everyone from around the country to practice "engage" over and over and over! Don't they get it? People do not talk that way. They are wasting valuable time and money focusing on that. On something I will only use when my manager is around. Focus on how to improve my business. Find ways to do programs that are effective. During the whole legal discussion I waited for someone to raise their hand and ask if we can d/c programs all together. They are a disgusting waste of time and money. Doctors will not attend local llittle programs where their competitor from down the road is speaking. A bunch of MA's and receptionists come. As for the PC thing. I have not been around to see changes but I will say their is less big brother than at other companies. So for now I will enjoy my fat paycheck.

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Can you share with me why you feel this way? Could you describe how your feelings now compare to your feelings when you don't use the dialogue probes? Can you share a success story on the utilization of the attributes?

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Perfect!! that is exactly what I learned too! How do your docs respond this method compared to the way you used to do it?

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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I'm laughing my a$$ off at these posts. I really don't think it's a problem. Probably one pissed off person, but I just can't help and think about PC. Man, now there is some morale problems right now.

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Get off our virology post, dude.

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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How can you tell the difference between virology and PC?

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Absolutely - Hard to pinpoint. The I-C plan is definitely better, but as someone who came from CV met and then neuroscience, and then joined virology two years ago, this division has turned exactly into those divisions. With segmentation and the rigid sales messages, it's almost so inflexible that I want to crawl out of my skin. I'm always looking over my shoulder. The Northeast region is the worst...

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Oh yea of little faith - you aint seen nothing yet. Jill will be asking soon, How you got your A.

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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I'm laughing my a$$ off at these posts. I really don't think it's a problem. Probably one pissed off person, but I just can't help and think about PC. Man, now there is some morale problems right now.

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Get off our virology post, dude.

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OMG. Are you the same idiot that keeps posting about Virology? Do you own these posts? How much did you pay for them? Your an idiot with no credibility on this board. I bet these posts are all you. You post, then you respond to yourself. I have some friends in Neuroscience that get you some Abilify samples.

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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I'm laughing my a$$ off at these posts. I really don't think it's a problem. Probably one pissed off person, but I just can't help and think about PC. Man, now there is some morale problems right now.

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Get off our virology post, dude.

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OMG. Are you the same idiot that keeps posting about Virology? Do you own these posts? How much did you pay for them? Your an idiot with no credibility on this board. I bet these posts are all you. You post, then you respond to yourself. I have some friends in Neuroscience that get you some Abilify samples.

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Watch out...It is Mr. PC who wants to sue CP for IP Addresses.

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This post started as a Virology morale survey and has deteriorated into a bunch of blubbering idiots who make zero sense. Please send your thoughts, good and bad, of the tri-regional meeting and keep the idiotic comments/remarks to yourself. And why the hell are there posts right smack in the middle of the day, no matter what time zone you are in? That is ultra-lame.

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This post started as a Virology morale survey and has deteriorated into a bunch of blubbering idiots who make zero sense. Please send your thoughts, good and bad, of the tri-regional meeting and keep the idiotic comments/remarks to yourself. And why the hell are there posts right smack in the middle of the day, no matter what time zone you are in? That is ultra-lame.

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Because it's all the PC reps saying "when are we getting the call? It sucks to be us!! waaaa"

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This post started as a Virology morale survey and has deteriorated into a bunch of blubbering idiots who make zero sense. Please send your thoughts, good and bad, of the tri-regional meeting and keep the idiotic comments/remarks to yourself. And why the hell are there posts right smack in the middle of the day, no matter what time zone you are in? That is ultra-lame.

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Because it's all the PC reps saying "when are we getting the call? It sucks to be us!! waaaa"

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Actually, I do feel really badly for the PC reps. It's a tough job, and you have to put up with far more BS than the specialty reps. And samples...that is another nightmare. It makes me take a step back and be grateful to be in another area outside of PC. I really hope this doesn't turn out to be a bloodbath. You would think a lesson would have been learned from Vanlev debacle.

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Don't forget pargluva! BMS once again beefed up the salesforce to launch this one, only to get their hopes crushed by FDA. Virology might have morale issues, but trust me, it is nothing nearly as low as in PC. I feel your pain, PC reps.

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Don't forget pargluva! BMS once again beefed up the salesforce to launch this one, only to get their hopes crushed by FDA. Virology might have morale issues, but trust me, it is nothing nearly as low as in PC. I feel your pain, PC reps.

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I don't. As a virology rep for many years, I think the BMS PC sales force have been a bunch of slackers. Remember when they tried to sell Tenquin in our AIDS Clinics, what a disaster!
They couldn't sell water to a person dying of thirst in the desert. I personally had to hold my Tenquin's representative hand so that he wouldn't screw up the BMS business at my major accounts. It was a nightmare I do not care to remember!

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Don't forget pargluva! BMS once again beefed up the salesforce to launch this one, only to get their hopes crushed by FDA. Virology might have morale issues, but trust me, it is nothing nearly as low as in PC. I feel your pain, PC reps.

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That is a crappy response. I am also in virology, and I know there are good reps in every division. There are also bad reps in every division, and it sounds like you had one. If you have been with virology for a long time, then you should remember how it felt to wait for the phone call way back. It felt awful, and I feel for anyone who has to go through something similar. It's never good news to hear someone lose their job unless they are incompetent.

I don't. As a virology rep for many years, I think the BMS PC sales force have been a bunch of slackers. Remember when they tried to sell Tenquin in our AIDS Clinics, what a disaster!
They couldn't sell water to a person dying of thirst in the desert. I personally had to hold my Tenquin's representative hand so that he wouldn't screw up the BMS business at my major accounts. It was a nightmare I do not care to remember!

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This is so true - to appreciate the virology division, you had to be here from more than 5 years ago - anyone newer than that can't appreciate what it is about, even with the ongoing changes - it isn't what it used to be but it is a hell of a lot better than most of the other divisions

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Don't forget pargluva! BMS once again beefed up the salesforce to launch this one, only to get their hopes crushed by FDA. Virology might have morale issues, but trust me, it is nothing nearly as low as in PC. I feel your pain, PC reps.

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I don't. As a virology rep for many years, I think the BMS PC sales force have been a bunch of slackers. Remember when they tried to sell Tenquin in our AIDS Clinics, what a disaster!
They couldn't sell water to a person dying of thirst in the desert. I personally had to hold my Tenquin's representative hand so that he wouldn't screw up the BMS business at my major accounts. It was a nightmare I do not care to remember!

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If you know so much Mr. Virology, you would know that the product was TEQUIN. Not TENQUIN!! I hope you don't mess up your own business by misspronouncing your own drug. REYTURNAZZ....

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Don't forget pargluva! BMS once again beefed up the salesforce to launch this one, only to get their hopes crushed by FDA. Virology might have morale issues, but trust me, it is nothing nearly as low as in PC. I feel your pain, PC reps.

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I don't. As a virology rep for many years, I think the BMS PC sales force have been a bunch of slackers. Remember when they tried to sell Tenquin in our AIDS Clinics, what a disaster!
They couldn't sell water to a person dying of thirst in the desert. I personally had to hold my Tenquin's representative hand so that he wouldn't screw up the BMS business at my major accounts. It was a nightmare I do not care to remember!

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If you know so much Mr. Virology, you would know that the product was TEQUIN. Not TENQUIN!! I hope you don't mess up your own business by misspronouncing your own drug. REYTURNAZZ....

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OOPs.....It was an honest error. I guess I cannot be as perfect as you PC selling professionals

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If you think morale is low in virology, check PC.

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I'm laughing my a$$ off at these posts. I really don't think it's a problem. Probably one pissed off person, but I just can't help and think about PC. Man, now there is some morale problems right now.

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Get off our virology post, dude.

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OMG. Are you the same idiot that keeps posting about Virology? Do you own these posts? How much did you pay for them? Your an idiot with no credibility on this board. I bet these posts are all you. You post, then you respond to yourself. I have some friends in Neuroscience that get you some Abilify samples.

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If I wanted to take a real drug, I'd take another company's psych drug, not abilify....it just sucks.....

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It doesn't matter which one, just take something.

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Don't forget pargluva! BMS once again beefed up the salesforce to launch this one, only to get their hopes crushed by FDA. Virology might have morale issues, but trust me, it is nothing nearly as low as in PC. I feel your pain, PC reps.

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I don't. As a virology rep for many years, I think the BMS PC sales force have been a bunch of slackers. Remember when they tried to sell Tenquin in our AIDS Clinics, what a disaster!
They couldn't sell water to a person dying of thirst in the desert. I personally had to hold my Tenquin's representative hand so that he wouldn't screw up the BMS business at my major accounts. It was a nightmare I do not care to remember!

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If you know so much Mr. Virology, you would know that the product was TEQUIN. Not TENQUIN!! I hope you don't mess up your own business by misspronouncing your own drug. REYTURNAZZ....

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OOPs.....It was an honest error. I guess I cannot be as perfect as you PC selling professionals

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PC never had a sales directive to sell Tequin in HIV clinics. They had some responsibility for ID, but not completely. Their focus was PC. What gives for the harsh critique of a rep trying to do their job? Chances are, the docs NEVER asked that rep anything about HIV drugs, therefore if your business what in jeopardy it was because of you.

My experience has been, when HISG or speciality get wedgies over PC going into their accounts, it is because you are surprised at how well the PC reps' naivete' gets them farther along than your usual pretense exhibited as a SPECIALTY REP. Get over yourselves, do your job and try to be a help to drive business for everybody.

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So I guess it's safe to say you didn't get the speciailty job you interviewed for?

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So I guess it's safe to say you didn't get the speciailty job you interviewed for?

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Do us (BMS Specialty Sales Divisions) a favor. Stay away from our customers and be good little professional UPS delivery persons with your pens, pads, samples and do not forget THE DONUTS!!!

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For me, besides the train wreck that was "virology city" the other eye opener was how the people in charge of the meeting were being directed. Did anyone else think it was bizarre that during the breaks, the people were rushing us back into the main tent when there were still quite a few minutes left during breaks. I heard a couple of reps say something to the people directing them in, and was surprised someone had the guts to mention it.

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So I guess it's safe to say you didn't get the speciailty job you interviewed for?

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Do us (BMS Specialty Sales Divisions) a favor. Stay away from our customers and be good little professional UPS delivery persons with your pens, pads, samples and do not forget THE DONUTS!!!

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OMG....Too Funny http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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For me, besides the train wreck that was "virology city" the other eye opener was how the people in charge of the meeting were being directed. Did anyone else think it was bizarre that during the breaks, the people were rushing us back into the main tent when there were still quite a few minutes left during breaks. I heard a couple of reps say something to the people directing them in, and was surprised someone had the guts to mention it.

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Our leaders have no clue what-so-ever..... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif

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So I guess it's safe to say you didn't get the speciailty job you interviewed for?

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Do us (BMS Specialty Sales Divisions) a favor. Stay away from our customers and be good little professional UPS delivery persons with your pens, pads, samples and do not forget THE DONUTS!!!

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OMG....Too Funny http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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This is pretty funny.

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So I guess it's safe to say you didn't get the speciailty job you interviewed for?

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Do us (BMS Specialty Sales Divisions) a favor. Stay away from our customers and be good little professional UPS delivery persons with your pens, pads, samples and do not forget THE DONUTS!!!

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OMG....Too Funny http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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This is pretty funny.

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There are so many people that are unhappy right now. I have to agree with the OP of this board. I am also trying to figure out why the management bothers working in the field with reps. They bring zero value to the customer and the customer feels obligated to spend time even when they are way behind. I hate putting my customers in that situation, and feel like it makes them not want to see us anymore.

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Of course you agree with the op. YOU ARE THE OP YOU IDIOT.

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Of course you agree with the op. YOU ARE THE OP YOU IDIOT.

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Uh oh...it's the Cafe Pharma police.

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Of course you agree with the op. YOU ARE THE OP YOU IDIOT.

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Very funny. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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Another one bites the dust. This time in Texas.

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think about the obvious. if you're not bringing value to your customer and neither is your manager, then what is the point of your job and what is the future of your job? how long can this go on? your career is finite. start thinking about a transition before you're unemployed.

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think about the obvious. if you're not bringing value to your customer and neither is your manager, then what is the point of your job and what is the future of your job? how long can this go on? your career is finite. start thinking about a transition before you're unemployed.

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I bring value to the customer. The DBM or whoever rides along with me does not. Are you really this much of an idiot?

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think about the obvious. if you're not bringing value to your customer and neither is your manager, then what is the point of your job and what is the future of your job? how long can this go on? your career is finite. start thinking about a transition before you're unemployed.

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I bring value to the customer. The DBM or whoever rides along with me does not. Are you really this much of an idiot?

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keep pulling the wool over your own eyes pharma rep-sheep

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think about the obvious. if you're not bringing value to your customer and neither is your manager, then what is the point of your job and what is the future of your job? how long can this go on? your career is finite. start thinking about a transition before you're unemployed.

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I bring value to the customer. The DBM or whoever rides along with me does not. Are you really this much of an idiot?

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keep pulling the wool over your own eyes pharma rep-sheep

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I would rather pull my ying-yang http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

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I think I am gonna go upstairs and pull mine, too

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Morale is low because there is a total lack of direction, the attorneys are running the show, there is a disconnect among medical, marketing, management, and sales, pieces keep getting pulled, and we spend hours going over the revised package insert that isn't even available yet, nor will be for a while!

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I think I am gonna go upstairs and pull mine, too

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Me too.

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Me three.

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I rather have some of the cute guys in BMSV pull mine.....especially those hotties in the NE Region http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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Me three.

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I rather have some of the cute guys in BMSV pull mine.....especially those hotties in the NE Region http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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Don't remember seeing any "hotties" in NE region - it is being run like primary care for sure. That's why morale is so low post POA

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Me four.

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Don't remember seeing any "hotties" in NE region - it is being run like primary care for sure. That's why morale is so low post POA

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[/ QUOTE ]The idiot dude with the newly shaved head. Didn't the Nazis shave their heads? No one seems to know how he got this position. He was a do-little/nothing rep, a do-little/nothing district trainer, and now is worming his way into management. He is fast becoming more persona non grata

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I am assuming someone got the axe? That stinks. Who left?

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I would rather be here than with GSK. Check out those boards! Those are some really unhappy people. Thank God we aren't selling Lexiva or Epzicom. They are getting killed by the competition.

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[/ QUOTE ]The idiot dude with the newly shaved head. Didn't the Nazis shave their heads? No one seems to know how he got this position. He was a do-little/nothing rep, a do-little/nothing district trainer, and now is worming his way into management. He is fast becoming more persona non grata

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He is a total loser. My counterpart told me that at the meeting in Atlanta, he ran the Reyataz workshop in a bizarre way. People were looking at the materials, and he said to the room several times that all eyes should be on him, and not the materials. Everyone looked at each other wondering who the hell he was, because most of the people in the room had never heard of this guy, but I recalled that a new person in our region had said he had made inappropriate remarks at a training session. I think there is something to the "do nothing" post that mentioned his ascent.

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I don't know who is responsible for keep putting this post back up to the top, but right now with all the issues with PC, no one really care about Virology right now. Don't take it the wrong way, you guys are a great division, but we have so many more critical issues to discuss on this board.

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He is a total loser. My counterpart told me that at the meeting in Atlanta, he ran the Reyataz workshop in a bizarre way. People were looking at the materials, and he said to the room several times that all eyes should be on him, and not the materials. Everyone looked at each other wondering who the hell he was, because most of the people in the room had never heard of this guy, but I recalled that a new person in our region had said he had made inappropriate remarks at a training session. I think there is something to the "do nothing" post that mentioned his ascent.

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major power trip.

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he is on a major power trip. That Reyataz workshop- just when people were the most confused, he cut off Q&A. They said hold questions until the end and only took 2! that helped. To the PC reps who keep telling us their life if worse- stay off our posts!

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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The problem is that these virology posts are bunch of lies.

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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Your shocked. How can you be. Your the same person who has been posting this crap.

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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Your shocked. How can you be. Your the same person who has been posting this crap.

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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Your shocked. How can you be. Your the same person who has been posting this crap.

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Whoever is posting the smiley's is a true idiot. Probably someone in the home office or other management

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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The problem is that the Region guy loves him and has no clue that the entire district will leave if he gets the job. In this division you can't treat reps like babies, and he was a rep just a few months ago...so - there you go, PC, there will be a bunch of openings

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so who is a bigger idiot? the 'acting DBM' or the region head? I was trying to decide that myself at the meeting.

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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I think he's the one posting the happy faces thinking this thread will go away... no suck luck....

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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I think he's the one posting the happy faces thinking this thread will go away... no suck luck....

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I was thinking the exact same thing! seriously! Hey, at least now he should get the hint at how detested he is. "Hey, Mr. Newly shaved head, are you starting to get the hint?"

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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COME ON! TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS LIST!

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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COME ON! TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS LIST!

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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I think he's the one posting the happy faces thinking this thread will go away... no suck luck....

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I was thinking the exact same thing! seriously! Hey, at least now he should get the hint at how detested he is. "Hey, Mr. Newly shaved head, are you starting to get the hint?"

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Of course you were thinking the same thing. You know why? You are the same person. Don't worry. Get ready to say goodbye.

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If you saw the list you would literally bust a gut laughing. This guy is a total joke.

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I think he's the one posting the happy faces thinking this thread will go away... no suck luck....

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No I don't think you will go away, but I can tell you one thing. Very few people will scroll down this far to see anything. You and I are the only ones looking. I consider that a victory. How about you?

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Well, I guess we now know who really is making the smiley's. And you think you are DBM material!

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Who said anything about DBM material?

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Wait until JA lands a DM position - won't that be fun kids! Talking about a freak show.
This has turned into quite the post - some believeable and some not.

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Well, if my morale is low, it's not because of the rigid rules we now have to follow, it's mostly because I am sick of seeing so many people suck up to the RBDs. It's the same people in each region being the region suck-up/tattletale. I can tell you that many of these leeches are backstabbers and it stinks that the RBD's listen to them and take their word as gospel. DL is too new, but I have seen it with my own 2 eyes with the other 2. I guess it happens in all divisions, but it makes me want to hurl

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Careful! Don't post any names or initials or this post will end up getting yanked like most others. I think things are getting out of hand, there are many far worse threads, yet the BMS nazis are close at work to ensure no one in home office has anything bad said about them!

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Wait until JA lands a DM position - won't that be fun kids! Talking about a freak show.

Not so fast - Apparently HR has to consider some about-to-be displaced CV/met DBMs in the Northeast first before they consider JA. The job is posted for those people....He is pretty far down on the list...

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Wait until JA lands a DM position - won't that be fun kids! Talking about a freak show.

Not so fast - Apparently HR has to consider some about-to-be displaced CV/met DBMs in the Northeast first before they
consider JA. The job is posted for those people....He is pretty far down on the list...

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How about the acting DBM in northern NY district to become the full time DBM?

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Wait until JA lands a DM position - won't that be fun kids! Talking about a freak show.

Not so fast - Apparently HR has to consider some about-to-be displaced CV/met DBMs in the Northeast first before they
consider JA. The job is posted for those people....He is pretty far down on the list...

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How about the acting DBM in northern NY district to become the full time DBM?

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Will never happen - The RBD won't have it - plus the whole district will quit because he's a prick

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Wait until JA lands a DM position - won't that be fun kids! Talking about a freak show.

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consider JA. The job is posted for those people....He is pretty far down on the list...

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Will never happen - The RBD won't have it - plus the whole district will quit because he's a prick

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Not what I heard. I hear that the RBD has a major erection for that guy. But I have also heard he is exactly what you called him. "nazi" has also been used to describe him

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They should give any open positions to any displaced reps. That is the fair thing to do.

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Wait until JA lands a DM position - won't that be fun kids! Talking about a freak show.

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Will never happen - The RBD won't have it - plus the whole district will quit because he's a prick

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Not what I heard. I hear that the RBD has a major erection for that guy. But I have also heard he is exactly what you called him. "nazi" has also been used to describe him

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He may have a boner for the guy, but he's to green for the job. RBD said so himself. Sorry, talked to the RBD myself...

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who is the acting dbm in Upstate - it can't be JA is it?

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the acting DM is the newly shaved-headed Nazi whose ascent from rep to region sales trainer has everyone scratching their heads. The consensus of disdain for him is astounding

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No kidding - BUT, people can't people how FUCKING dense DL is. C'mon - The virology pool, JA? SA? You can't even entertain the thought of Hitler Junior (DR) unless you want the entire upstate district to leave. Look at some other people with common sense and people skills....Jill, get involved here. WTF

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Speaking of DL, what is up with the influx of Canadians to the division?

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This company needs to look to the west. With the exception of maybe one, the DBMs are well-liked and respected by their district members. Turnover is lowest in the west, and if you look at the posts, they are almost always about the Northeast, followed by the Central, and very seldom the west. The west reps are largely happy, and the #1 aspect of the happiness of reps lies with the DBMs. If the company wants low turnover, they need personable, competent, and fair DBMs.

No kidding - BUT, people can't people how FUCKING dense DL is. C'mon - The virology pool, JA? SA? You can't even entertain the thought of Hitler Junior (DR) unless you want the entire upstate district to leave. Look at some other people with common sense and people skills....Jill, get involved here. WTF

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This company needs to look to the west. With the exception of maybe one, the DBMs are well-liked and respected by their district members. Turnover is lowest in the west, and if you look at the posts, they are almost always about the Northeast, followed by the Central, and very seldom the west. The west reps are largely happy, and the #1 aspect of the happiness of reps lies with the DBMs. If the company wants low turnover, they need personable, competent, and fair DBMs.

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This company needs to look to the west. With the exception of maybe one, the DBMs are well-liked and respected by their district members. Turnover is lowest in the west, and if you look at the posts, they are almost always about the Northeast, followed by the Central, and very seldom the west. The west reps are largely happy, and the #1 aspect of the happiness of reps lies with the DBMs. If the company wants low turnover, they need personable, competent, and fair DBMs.

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This is a great point. Maybe DL should look to others for advice once in a while.

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DR has only been a FDM for less than a year. Is it possible he could get a DM job? Lets hope not. He is a pompous ass who treats people like they are 2 steps below him. I cannot believe SS hired him as an FDM. I thought she had better standards. Is he related to hooper? I can only reason that is why he got the job!

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DR has only been a FDM for less than a year. Is it possible he could get a DM job? Lets hope not. He is a pompous ass who treats people like they are 2 steps below him. I cannot believe SS hired him as an FDM. I thought she had better standards. Is he related to hooper? I can only reason that is why he got the job!

More like 6 months. They will have a bunch of marketing people and DBMs getting laid off from CV/met who will need jobs. They will have to be considered before him and JA.

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It's pretty amazing how unpopular DR is. Is there anyone on here who actually likes the guy? The job may not have to be a popularity contest, but the derision for him seems pretty unanimous. Is someone actually listening to the field this time? HELLO?

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DR has only been a FDM for less than a year. Is it possible he could get a DM job? Lets hope not. He is a pompous ass who treats people like they are 2 steps below him. I cannot believe SS hired him as an FDM. I thought she had better standards. Is he related to hooper? I can only reason that is why he got the job!

More like 6 months. They will have a bunch of marketing people and DBMs getting laid off from CV/met who will need jobs. They will have to be considered before him and JA.

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Please take a moment to think what will happen when these laid off CV/Met DBMs are hired into virology sales with their primary care micro-management mind sets.

The answer is...... D I S A S T E R

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DR has only been a FDM for less than a year. Is it possible he could get a DM job? Lets hope not. He is a pompous ass who treats people like they are 2 steps below him. I cannot believe SS hired him as an FDM. I thought she had better standards. Is he related to hooper? I can only reason that is why he got the job!

More like 6 months. They will have a bunch of marketing people and DBMs getting laid off from CV/met who will need jobs. They will have to be considered before him and JA.

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Please take a moment to think what will happen when these laid off CV/Met DBMs are hired into virology sales with their primary care micro-management mind sets.

The answer is...... D I S A S T E R

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They are not as bad as virology has become - especially under DL

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DR has only been a FDM for less than a year. Is it possible he could get a DM job? Lets hope not. He is a pompous ass who treats people like they are 2 steps below him. I cannot believe SS hired him as an FDM. I thought she had better standards. Is he related to hooper? I can only reason that is why he got the job!

More like 6 months. They will have a bunch of marketing people and DBMs getting laid off from CV/met who will need jobs. They will have to be considered before him and JA.

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Please take a moment to think what will happen when these laid off CV/Met DBMs are hired into virology sales with their primary care micro-management mind sets.

The answer is...... D I S A S T E R

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Bigger micromanaging D I S A S T E R if DR or JA get Upstate

[Anonymous]

If DR or JA becomes DBM, their first job will be to hire a whole new team. It is sorry to see a good region become a septic tank which good people are dog paddling in - god help them all.

[Anonymous]

BMS really is a great company. Great products, too. So why is management and marketing so awful? STOP REWARDING BUTT KISSERS, AND START REWARDING THE TRULY DESERVING. Granted, many awesome candidates don't want to go into mgmt or mktg, but many do. Is anyone listening?

[Anonymous]

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BMS really is a great company. Great products, too. So why is management and marketing so awful? STOP REWARDING BUTT KISSERS, AND START REWARDING THE TRULY DESERVING. Granted, many awesome candidates don't want to go into mgmt or mktg, but many do. Is anyone listening?

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I seriously believe that no one cares. It's all about the almighty market share and getting it, with no excuses.

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If DR or JA becomes DBM, their first job will be to hire a whole new team. It is sorry to see a good region become a septic tank which good people are dog paddling in - god help them all.

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This must have been posted by DR or JA, because if one of these shitheads became DBM, they would get a new team?! 80% of their team now is kickass. Only an idiot would wipe it out. Only DR or JA...

[Anonymous]

I have a nominee that seems to get overlooked for some reason. Remember good ole C. Heimbold, the former head honcho of BMS? Well, good ole Charlie has a niece or a granddaughter who just so happened to get a virology sales position (seemingly without previous primary care experience). She was apparently promoted to a marketing position, and I am nominating her for biggest morale booster. Many men in the division should know what I am talking about.
So I nominate her as biggest morale booster http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

[Anonymous]

Charlie's niece was a great rep in PC and then virology and has made some good moves into marketing. If you don't know her, you can't comment on her. She is a good person and doesn't deserve and BS comments. If you're in virology and didn't work there 2 years ago, then you don't know jack shit about the person.

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If DR or JA becomes DBM, their first job will be to hire a whole new team. It is sorry to see a good region become a septic tank which good people are dog paddling in - god help them all.

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This must have been posted by DR or JA, because if one of these shitheads became DBM, they would get a new team?! 80% of their team now is kickass. Only an idiot would wipe it out. Only DR or JA...

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Actually, you're wrong my friend, I am neither DR or JA nor would I work for either one - would go pump gas at a Shell station before I would ever work for those two. DR is an egotistical skin head - says he looks better with out hair!! And JA looks like he could go postal at any moment - has anyone ever told him he has a scary look about him?

[Anonymous]

What possible reason does DR have to be egotistical? He is not physically attractive (AT ALL), everyone seems to intensely dislike him, and the shaved head makes him look even more bizarre than he already does. If he thinks that being an acting DM is increasing his visibility, he is correct, but it is increasing it in a negative way. Backfiring big time.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about Virology but PC has so many managers that don't have a lot of sales experience. This really puts a strain on the reps. When is PC upper management going to realize this. How can we approach upper management with our concerns. PC upper management just seems to close their ears on this issue.

[Anonymous]

I agree. They hear and see only what they want, and the ones who pay the price are the reps. When is upper management going to realize that if they want to keep good reps, they have to have good management.

[Anonymous]

You really don't like DR or JA, that is for sure! I don't know either one too well. From the sound of it, that seems like a good thing. I have just heard unfavorable things about both of them. JA=used car salesman DR = joke. Again, that is what I hear, but I have very little experience with either.

[Anonymous]

Is this post a pissing contest between 2 people? One accuses the other of being a disgruntled fired HIV rep. If so, you are both lame. Get off of this board and let real reps discuss the issues. You 2 idiots get a life and move on to another board.

[Anonymous]

I think that is exactly what is trying to be done here. Get rid of this idiot so we can have some decent discussions about real issues. Not the lies the virology idiot keeps posting.

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What possible reason does DR have to be egotistical? He is not physically attractive (AT ALL), everyone seems to intensely dislike him, and the shaved head makes him look even more bizarre than he already does. If he thinks that being an acting DM is increasing his visibility, he is correct, but it is increasing it in a negative way. Backfiring big time.

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This is the most astute post I've read about this topic (and, no, I'm not responding to myself). DR should try to go to another division and start over, like the witness protection program

[Anonymous]

I don't know where to start, but the Northeast region is the worst. The majority of these postings pertain to the northeast.

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think about the obvious. if you're not bringing value to your customer and neither is your manager, then what is the point of your job and what is the future of your job? how long can this go on? your career is finite. start thinking about a transition before you're unemployed.

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WHO LEFT IN TEXAS???

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the acting DM is the newly shaved-headed Nazi whose ascent from rep to region sales trainer has everyone scratching their heads. The consensus of disdain for him is astounding

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This company needs to look to the west. With the exception of maybe one, the DBMs are well-liked and respected by their district members. Turnover is lowest in the west, and if you look at the posts, they are almost always about the Northeast, followed by the Central, and very seldom the west. The west reps are largely happy, and the #1 aspect of the happiness of reps lies with the DBMs. If the company wants low turnover, they need personable, competent, and fair DBMs.

No kidding - BUT, people can't people how FUCKING dense DL is. C'mon - The virology pool, JA? SA? You can't even entertain the thought of Hitler Junior (DR) unless you want the entire upstate district to leave. Look at some other people with common sense and people skills....Jill, get involved here. WTF

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That's because everyone loves to report in to a complete LUSH drunk sexual harrasser who holds no one accountable. You are all as useless as her. People like to report to a managment group who does not hold them accountable. And the only reason you are in second place in the nation is because places where there is a low SUSTIVA share automatically get the REYATAZ scripts. So there.

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think about the obvious. if you're not bringing value to your customer and neither is your manager, then what is the point of your job and what is the future of your job? how long can this go on? your career is finite. start thinking about a transition before you're unemployed.

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WHO LEFT IN TEXAS???

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A guy in the Austin/San Antonio territory. Real nice guy.

[Anonymous]

Who is a lush/sexual harasser?

[Anonymous]

More crap from the virology idiot. How's life after getting fired from BMS.

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More crap from the virology idiot. How's life after getting fired from BMS.

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Who is the virology idiot? initials?

[Anonymous]

let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM

Who is "SA"?

[Anonymous]

I think SA must be the woman who runs the training classes. Shawn. She seems nice.

[Anonymous]

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let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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The original post was Feb. 2, 2006. This post is not even a month old. And you are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
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Exactly, what is this supposed to mean??

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let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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I couldn't agree more. So old. I love the post above. "What does that mean?" You should know, your the one posting all this crap. Idiot!

[Anonymous]

This thread has been read by close to 1500 people. I seriously doubt that one person has replied to themselves this post. If so, that is pathetic, but highly unlikely. Just let the people speak their minds, and enough on the idiotic comments otherwise. By the way, I am assuming that the person feels that minorities are in charge. I don't necessarily agree with that, but if you are that stupid that you can't ascertain that is what they are implying, there you go.

[Anonymous]

It is true that BMS has lost some reps to Tibotec. I am not sure why, either. J&J is more conservative than BMS. The grass is rarely greener on the other side

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This thread has been read by close to 1500 people. I seriously doubt that one person has replied to themselves this post. If so, that is pathetic, but highly unlikely. Just let the people speak their minds, and enough on the idiotic comments otherwise. By the way, I am assuming that the person feels that minorities are in charge. I don't necessarily agree with that, but if you are that stupid that you can't ascertain that is what they are implying, there you go.

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It's been read 1500 times because of two things. Yes, the virology idiot can post tthat many times to make up as many lies as possible. Second, people want to see how stupid one person can be. What I can't figure out is why they haven't deleted this post. It has names in it. How come no one turns this one in?

[Anonymous]

give it time, I am sure it will be.

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Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
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Exactly, what is this supposed to mean??

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figure it out - slackers known as PCAMs! They can't get out of their own way and look at how much money they make for doing nothing!

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let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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The original post was Feb. 2, 2006. This post is not even a month old. And you are an idiot.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence, you can't be in virology because you would know this to be true.

[Anonymous]

Hey, good point. What exactly do the PCAM's do?

[Anonymous]

Is DR still grabbing his crotch in front of his gay docs, trying to act
"metrosexual" and blend in? Ask him, did that get you more scripts?

Does JA still have that maniacal look in his eye. I remember when he presented that load of shit Sustiva inservice binder of his. I thought I was at the Nueremberg rallies and felt compelled to do the nazi salute. God help his children!

[Anonymous]

Nobody cares. Can't you take a hint. Stop it already with the issues with Virology, or should I say the lies with Virology.

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Exactly, what is this supposed to mean??

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figure it out - slackers known as PCAMs! They can't get out of their own way and look at how much money they make for doing nothing!

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OVERRUN? They do not run the place. The only "running" they are doing is running scared, like the rest of us. Listen, how many of you would like a better job? I encourage you all to resign....because you are draggin' me DOWN in a major way.....CAFEPHARMA IS FOR A BUNCH OF TOXIC BITTER LOSERS.....NOW, someone give me a smartass witty retort (LIKE I DON'T EXPECT IT)

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let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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The original post was Feb. 2, 2006. This post is not even a month old. And you are an idiot.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence, you can't be in virology because you would know this to be true.

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Who are the good DBM's???

[Anonymous]

well, let's see, there is, uh, ah, um, well, you know, maybe, ah, oh yeah, no, sorry! Actually, if I had my choice, GG and RM would be top choices.

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well, let's see, there is, uh, ah, um, well, you know, maybe, ah, oh yeah, no, sorry! Actually, if I had my choice, GG and RM would be top choices.

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2 northeast region DBMs. News flash: there are other regions with far better DBMs. I love how the northeast thinks that they are the only region that matters. In fact, they have the highest turnover and the highest number of bitter reps.

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Nobody cares. Can't you take a hint. Stop it already with the issues with Virology, or should I say the lies with Virology. [/quote
This is my first ever posting to Cafe Pharma. I had to finally say something because I am so friggin sick of seing this same post from this same idiot. HEY IDIOT...THESE MAY BE LIES, BUT THEY MAY BE THE TRUTH. THIS THREAD IS TO VENT, AND YOU HAVE POSTED THIS SAME REPLY DOZENS OF TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE LIES, BUT ENOUGH ALREADY, YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU NEED TO GET A FRIGGIN LIFE AND MOVE ON. There, I feel better.

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Nobody cares. Can't you take a hint. Stop it already with the issues with Virology, or should I say the lies with Virology. [/quote
This is my first ever posting to Cafe Pharma. I had to finally say something because I am so friggin sick of seing this same post from this same idiot. HEY IDIOT...THESE MAY BE LIES, BUT THEY MAY BE THE TRUTH. THIS THREAD IS TO VENT, AND YOU HAVE POSTED THIS SAME REPLY DOZENS OF TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE LIES, BUT ENOUGH ALREADY, YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU NEED TO GET A FRIGGIN LIFE AND MOVE ON. There, I feel better.

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no sh#t, I am sick of that person too. We get the hint, loser, you have stated that you think these are lies over and over. Now move on, idiot.

[Anonymous]

We are in a far better situation than the PC group. Have some freakin tact, people. They have reason to moan and groan, we don't

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the support on this, I agree completely and we ought to be thankful that the check comes every two weeks and that we have terrific products to sell.

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well, let's see, there is, uh, ah, um, well, you know, maybe, ah, oh yeah, no, sorry! Actually, if I had my choice, GG and RM would be top choices.

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2 northeast region DBMs. News flash: there are other regions with far better DBMs. I love how the northeast thinks that they are the only region that matters. In fact, they have the highest turnover and the highest number of bitter reps.

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So the truth comes out - there are regional feuds coming out now - nice, just what the division needs. Bottom line, all three regions are very different in regards to the personnel, market conditions and management - Northeast is no better than the central than is the west - you're all in the same boat together (if you couldn't tell, I'm not with you anymore). The creation of regions and the overswelling of the sales org. 5 years ago started the whole mess.

[Anonymous]

the southwest has the best people, the best dbm and the best results ( cmop exlcuded)

[Anonymous]

Hmmm...The only reason JA is where he is resulted from a national Sustiva lunch/learn program that no one wanted to do in the field. It just made more work for the field reps.

Secondly RM is a lazy DBM who probably works less than all his reps put together. He is the BMSV playboy....... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

[Anonymous]

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let's let this post die once and for all - most, if not all of the facts on here are true, I am not in the northeast, but man o man, give it a god damn rest.
Bottom line:
DL is incompetent to manager, eh!
JD has some work to do to improve perceptions in the regions
The jury is out on RC - which side of the fence he swings on
MJP likes her martinis
JA, DR and SA are not going to be upstate DBM - probably someone from PC who is displaced
Certain DBMs are micromanaging their teams
Certain DBMs are just plain lucky
Certain DBMs are good
Several good reps have left and gone to Tibotec already
The Atlanta meeting was not fun!
Virology is being overrun by people of diversity
THis post is OLD, now RIP

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A few updates: The reps are still running to Tibotec, and that's with a product that's not even approved. Why? The BMSV culture has gone dramatically down the tubes. The primary care reps who do get to fill in the vacancies will find it more constricting than PC.
DL is incompetent because he listens to no one else. This is a problem because he knows so little. This ain't Canada, junior.
JD still has a big job ahead of her.
JL is supposedly worried about morale
DR won't get the Upstate DBM job because he hasn't had enough experience, but if they are so worried about morale and people leaving for Tibotec, it will be a huge issue for the Upstate district (their morale will take a beating and they'll head for the hills) if they get either DR or that non human JA for a DBM
And the Atlanta meeting still wasn't fun.

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We are in a far better situation than the PC group. Have some freakin tact, people. They have reason to moan and groan, we don't

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No kidding. I hate to be were they are right now. It can't be much fun.

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the southwest has the best people, the best dbm and the best results ( cmop exlcuded)

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Who is in the soutwest?

[Anonymous]

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Hmmm...The only reason JA is where he is resulted from a national Sustiva lunch/learn program that no one wanted to do in the field. It just made more work for the field reps.

Secondly RM is a lazy DBM who probably works less than all his reps put together. He is the BMSV playboy....... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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Exactly. That is why the dude who posted this likes him. No accountability. Party boy on the DL!!!

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the southwest has the best people, the best dbm and the best results ( cmop exlcuded)

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Who is in the soutwest?

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Well, we in the *$&^% region have the best results, if you don't count retail or hospital Rx's http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

[Anonymous]

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Hmmm...The only reason JA is where he is resulted from a national Sustiva lunch/learn program that no one wanted to do in the field. It just made more work for the field reps.

Secondly RM is a lazy DBM who probably works less than all his reps put together. He is the BMSV playboy....... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

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Exactly. That is why the dude who posted this likes him. No accountability. Party boy on the DL!!!

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I don't get it.

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the southwest has the best people, the best dbm and the best results ( cmop exlcuded)

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Who is in the soutwest?

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Well, we in the *$&^% region have the best results, if you don't count retail or hospital Rx's http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

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You are stupid

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the southwest has the best people, the best dbm and the best results ( cmop exlcuded)

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Who is in the soutwest?

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Well, we in the *$&^% region have the best results, if you don't count retail or hospital Rx's http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

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You are stupid

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Let's get to something much more important....who is the best looking DBM... male and female?

[Anonymous]

DBM? None of them.

[Anonymous]

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the southwest has the best people, the best dbm and the best results ( cmop exlcuded)

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Who is in the soutwest?

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Well, we in the *$&^% region have the best results, if you don't count retail or hospital Rx's http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/tongue.gif

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You are stupid

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Let's get to something much more important....who is the best looking DBM... male and female?

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Thinking about it.....let's see

[Anonymous]

Someone said the best DBM is in the southwest, but I don't know who that DBM is. Hello? And who are the reps there?

[Anonymous]

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Someone said the best DBM is in the southwest, but I don't know who that DBM is. Hello? And who are the reps there?

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Are talking about the DBM in LA?

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Someone said the best DBM is in the southwest, but I don't know who that DBM is. Hello? And who are the reps there?

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Are talking about the DBM in LA?

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The DBM in LA is pretty new. But maybe that is who they are talking about. I don't know a lot about her

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Someone said the best DBM is in the southwest, but I don't know who that DBM is. Hello? And who are the reps there?

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Are talking about the DBM in LA?

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The DBM in LA is pretty new. But maybe that is who they are talking about. I don't know a lot about her

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This stuff is too funny...Better than any other board/posts on the entire Cafepharma

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Nobody cares. Can't you take a hint. Stop it already with the issues with Virology, or should I say the lies with Virology. [/quote
This is my first ever posting to Cafe Pharma. I had to finally say something because I am so friggin sick of seing this same post from this same idiot. HEY IDIOT...THESE MAY BE LIES, BUT THEY MAY BE THE TRUTH. THIS THREAD IS TO VENT, AND YOU HAVE POSTED THIS SAME REPLY DOZENS OF TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE LIES, BUT ENOUGH ALREADY, YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU NEED TO GET A FRIGGIN LIFE AND MOVE ON. There, I feel better.

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I posted the stuff about DR's crotch grabbing and JA's Sustiva Inservice Military service. #1.) I was told the stuff about DR by a customer. #2.) I was there at the POA meeting when JA got up there and pushed his agenda like a bull in a china closet. Remember the BMS Games? I was there so don't tell me about lies. The truth hurts, don't it!

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Nobody cares. Can't you take a hint. Stop it already with the issues with Virology, or should I say the lies with Virology. [/quote
This is my first ever posting to Cafe Pharma. I had to finally say something because I am so friggin sick of seing this same post from this same idiot. HEY IDIOT...THESE MAY BE LIES, BUT THEY MAY BE THE TRUTH. THIS THREAD IS TO VENT, AND YOU HAVE POSTED THIS SAME REPLY DOZENS OF TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE LIES, BUT ENOUGH ALREADY, YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU NEED TO GET A FRIGGIN LIFE AND MOVE ON. There, I feel better.

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I posted the stuff about DR's crotch grabbing and JA's Sustiva Inservice Military service. #1.) I was told the stuff about DR by a customer. #2.) I was there at the POA meeting when JA got up there and pushed his agenda like a bull in a china closet. Remember the BMS Games? I was there so don't tell me about lies. The truth hurts, don't it!

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I'VE BEEN IN VIROLOGY FOR MANY YEARS.....DON'T REMEMBER ANY BMS GAMES...I THINK THE PERSON POSTING ABOUT DR MUST HAVE BEEN UP FOR THE NE FDM JOB...AND DIDN'T GET IT...

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This is my first ever posting to Cafe Pharma. I had to finally say something because I am so friggin sick of seing this same post from this same idiot. HEY IDIOT...THESE MAY BE LIES, BUT THEY MAY BE THE TRUTH. THIS THREAD IS TO VENT, AND YOU HAVE POSTED THIS SAME REPLY DOZENS OF TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE LIES, BUT ENOUGH ALREADY, YOUR POINT HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU NEED TO GET A FRIGGIN LIFE AND MOVE ON. There, I feel better.

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I posted the stuff about DR's crotch grabbing and JA's Sustiva Inservice Military service. #1.) I was told the stuff about DR by a customer. #2.) I was there at the POA meeting when JA got up there and pushed his agenda like a bull in a china closet. Remember the BMS Games? I was there so don't tell me about lies. The truth hurts, don't it!

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I'VE BEEN IN VIROLOGY FOR MANY YEARS.....DON'T REMEMBER ANY BMS GAMES...I THINK THE PERSON POSTING ABOUT DR MUST HAVE BEEN UP FOR THE NE FDM JOB...AND DIDN'T GET IT...

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Naahhhhh. It can't be sour grapes. This whole post is a crock of $hit.

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The BMS games happened at the time of the merge with DuPont, but every region had them. Out of the 3 regions, I think only 1-2 had the BMS games, I know for sure that 1 didn't

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then you were'nt there.let the games begin. The games haven't stopped in Virology. So glad I'm outta that shit hole. I still have my T-Shirt. On the front it said BMSV Games and on the back it had your district. I remember yellow ones, green ones and red ones. I'm not tell'n what color it is cause then you'll know what district I was in. Ask DR if it's a good idea to show your doc your numbers and demand more share for taz and sus!

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When do the smear campaigns end? I think if any of you had your professional and personal lives held up to public scrutiny on the internet you'd be very upset about it. You're messing with people's lives here and its disgusting (e.g., accusations of sexual conduct, lack of integrity). I hope that none of you have to know what it feels like to see lies published about you while knowing that you can never unring the bell. Its cruel and people really do get hurt by it. Think about that next time before you reduce your thoughts to writing and publish them. If you hate your jobs that much, just quit. You're all at-will employees anyway. Nobody is making you stay. If you chose to stay, show some professionalism even if you feel that those around you don't. Rumor mongering is not benefiting anyone. If anything, it only makes it more likely that the lies and character assasination will ultimately be at your expense. Is that really how you want to live you life and make a name for yourself?

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When do the smear campaigns end? I think if any of you had your professional and personal lives held up to public scrutiny on the internet you'd be very upset about it. You're messing with people's lives here and its disgusting (e.g., accusations of sexual conduct, lack of integrity). I hope that none of you have to know what it feels like to see lies published about you while knowing that you can never unring the bell. Its cruel and people really do get hurt by it. Think about that next time before you reduce your thoughts to writing and publish them. If you hate your jobs that much, just quit. You're all at-will employees anyway. Nobody is making you stay. If you chose to stay, show some professionalism even if you feel that those around you don't. Rumor mongering is not benefiting anyone. If anything, it only makes it more likely that the lies and character assasination will ultimately be at your expense. Is that really how you want to live you life and make a name for yourself?

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I AGREE COMPLETELY....GOOD BREEDS GOOD...BAD BREEDS BAD...IT IS TEMPTING TO RESPOND NASTILY BUT WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO? Thanks for this posting....and remember, lies are much more entertaining than truth and that is why people use them in this forum....REMEMBER KARMA my friends...the more you dish out the more that comes back to you.........you can dish out good or you can dish out bad.

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The DuPont acquisition saved your jobs!

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I have to respond. This is my first reply ever to Cafe Pharma. I agree that hateful posts can really hurt someone, and that to focus on the negative is pretty counter-productive. This IS a great division, no doubt about it. We have excellent products, and some very nice people in this division. That being said, with the good seems to always come some bad. All of the comments about DR seem warranted, as bad as they are. My reason for posting this is in the hopes that someone in upper management realizes that to promote people based on skills, an outgoing-reasonable personality, and business savvy have to be the considerations. DR clearly doesn't deserve to be promoted, and the considerations for management must be more scrutinized. Some very unqualified people have been getting management positions solely because they 'did their time' either in field development positions or home office stints. UPPER MANAGEMENT..GET MORE INVOLVED AND PLEASE GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND! There are more good people than bad in mgmt right now, but the few bad ones are making it hell for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't anyone feel guilty about what's going on in PC. Just look at those posts! Sounds like next week is awful for them. When I read all of these negative posts in virology, it makes me realize how much better off we are, despite the moaning and groaning on cafe pharma.

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Doesn't anyone feel guilty about what's going on in PC. Just look at those posts! Sounds like next week is awful for them. When I read all of these negative posts in virology, it makes me realize how much better off we are, despite the moaning and groaning on cafe pharma.

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I heard it's going to be a pretty bad layoff. I hope I heard wrong

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I have to respond. This is my first reply ever to Cafe Pharma. I agree that hateful posts can really hurt someone, and that to focus on the negative is pretty counter-productive. This IS a great division, no doubt about it. We have excellent products, and some very nice people in this division. That being said, with the good seems to always come some bad. All of the comments about DR seem warranted, as bad as they are. My reason for posting this is in the hopes that someone in upper management realizes that to promote people based on skills, an outgoing-reasonable personality, and business savvy have to be the considerations. DR clearly doesn't deserve to be promoted, and the considerations for management must be more scrutinized. Some very unqualified people have been getting management positions solely because they 'did their time' either in field development positions or home office stints. UPPER MANAGEMENT..GET MORE INVOLVED AND PLEASE GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND! There are more good people than bad in mgmt right now, but the few bad ones are making it hell for everyone else.

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I totally agree with this post! I don't know who DR is, but I know the type and this is the philosophy of the division. This is why everyone is leaving the company! We have the best HIV products on the market, yet everyone leaves because they get idiots for managers because they "checked their box". What's wrong with finding the right people doing the job! I'm amazed when I see the people they promote...

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When do the smear campaigns end? I think if any of you had your professional and personal lives held up to public scrutiny on the internet you'd be very upset about it. You're messing with people's lives here and its disgusting (e.g., accusations of sexual conduct, lack of integrity). I hope that none of you have to know what it feels like to see lies published about you while knowing that you can never unring the bell. Its cruel and people really do get hurt by it. Think about that next time before you reduce your thoughts to writing and publish them. If you hate your jobs that much, just quit. You're all at-will employees anyway. Nobody is making you stay. If you chose to stay, show some professionalism even if you feel that those around you don't. Rumor mongering is not benefiting anyone. If anything, it only makes it more likely that the lies and character assasination will ultimately be at your expense. Is that really how you want to live you life and make a name for yourself?

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well, whoever you are, as I said before, the stuff about DR comes from a customer who told me this to my face which I was quite surprised to hear. Obvisouly, it bothered that customer so much that the customer had to vent their displeasure about the conduct. Now, I ask you, is that the kind of professionalism you're talking about? Number 2, As far as JA goes, I had the misfortune of having him "train" me and a bunch of other saps on that damned sustiva inservice binder of his during that notorious POA meeting. I remember him saying, this inservice is only for nurses, if the doctor walks in the room while you're providing the inservice to the nurses "STOP TALKING!". Yeah, that makes alot of sense. Very professional too. Just tell'n ya like it is.

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YUP...amazing how shitty they treated the people from DP....

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I was also at the meeting with JA stammering about the whole time and sounding like a used car salesman with the inservices. He will forever be known to most as "Johnny Inservice". From what I understand the iin-service idea was even someone else's, but that is definitely what got him on the map. I think he is actually an OK guy, but his perception and reputation are clear-cut on this posting. By the way, I also agree with the rumor mongering, and feel this is just a sounding board. I hope no one takes it too seriously

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very few from DuPont lost their job, and some made it into management, then blew it! (CJ)

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Doesn't anyone feel guilty about what's going on in PC. Just look at those posts! Sounds like next week is awful for them. When I read all of these negative posts in virology, it makes me realize how much better off we are, despite the moaning and groaning on cafe pharma.

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I heard it's going to be a pretty bad layoff. I hope I heard wrong

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It is going to be bad. I feel for those people.

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YUP...amazing how shitty they treated the people from DP....

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Get Real....The only reason we bought Dupont was to stop GSK from getting them. We over paid a lot and all we got were reps who knew only one way to sell........ Buy the business at any cost!!!!

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Doesn't anyone feel guilty about what's going on in PC. Just look at those posts! Sounds like next week is awful for them. When I read all of these negative posts in virology, it makes me realize how much better off we are, despite the moaning and groaning on cafe pharma.

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I heard it's going to be a pretty bad layoff. I hope I heard wrong

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It is going to be bad. I feel for those people.

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I do to. There are jobs in other parts of the company. I know NSS and Oncology have openings. To bad we hired all the outside people for Orencia.

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Almost all of the PCAM's came from DuPont. I am still not sure what exactly it is that they do.

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NOTHING!

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To all the few remaining BMSV legacy people out there who attended the Vegas meeting post-reyataz launch. Do any of you know what the true selection criteria was for CJ taking people out to dinner and then to see cirque du soleil's "O"? I never figured that one out but I remember alot of good reps were left high and dry and very upset about it. That was very bad for morale and very divisive for the group.

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It was the last straw for a few and probably one of the many pitfalls CJ made that led to his demise. Actually, I believe it was RC that made that call for the Vegas meeting. CJ's was the South Beach deal where a bunch of people including the beautiful CJ suck-ups went to Nobu. That made some people PO'd against certain team members for keeping them out of the loop. Hey, it was an interesting ride back then.

And yes, PCAMs are overpaid do nothings that flaunt their gayness around at meetings like they are better than the rest - untouchable if you know what I mean!

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I was hit on by a pcam at a meeting once, and that person knew I was straight - tried to make it look like a joke but they were definitely serious. If someone else was around, I would have hauled their queer ass to HR. If they earn 1/10 of the total amount they are paid for whatever it is they do, I would be amazed. Unfreaking touchable.

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Wow! nothing's changed. Same bunch of crybabies.

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To all the few remaining BMSV legacy people out there who attended the Vegas meeting post-reyataz launch. Do any of you know what the true selection criteria was for CJ taking people out to dinner and then to see cirque du soleil's "O"? I never figured that one out but I remember alot of good reps were left high and dry and very upset about it. That was very bad for morale and very divisive for the group.

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I was part of the group that went to "O" and have no idea what the selection criteria was. I was not thrilled that most were left out, and felt weird about going. Regarding the person who said they are straight and were hit on by the PCAM; while I agree they are largely a gay-boy club, your comments sound pretty homophobic. A polite 'no thanks' would have been sufficient, and you might question if you really belong in this division if you have problems with other people's sexuality.

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To all the few remaining BMSV legacy people out there who attended the Vegas meeting post-reyataz launch. Do any of you know what the true selection criteria was for CJ taking people out to dinner and then to see cirque du soleil's "O"? I never figured that one out but I remember alot of good reps were left high and dry and very upset about it. That was very bad for morale and very divisive for the group.

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I was part of the group that went to "O" and have no idea what the selection criteria was. I was not thrilled that most were left out, and felt weird about going. Regarding the person who said they are straight and were hit on by the PCAM; while I agree they are largely a gay-boy club, your comments sound pretty homophobic. A polite 'no thanks' would have been sufficient, and you might question if you really belong in this division if you have problems with other people's sexuality.

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I remember a moe put his hand in my jacket pocket. I just gave him a surprised look and he said, "oh never mind" and that was the end of it!

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To all the few remaining BMSV legacy people out there who attended the Vegas meeting post-reyataz launch. Do any of you know what the true selection criteria was for CJ taking people out to dinner and then to see cirque du soleil's "O"? I never figured that one out but I remember alot of good reps were left high and dry and very upset about it. That was very bad for morale and very divisive for the group.

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I was part of the group that went to "O" and have no idea what the selection criteria was. I was not thrilled that most were left out, and felt weird about going. Regarding the person who said they are straight and were hit on by the PCAM; while I agree they are largely a gay-boy club, your comments sound pretty homophobic. A polite 'no thanks' would have been sufficient, and you might question if you really belong in this division if you have problems with other people's sexuality.

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I remember a moe put his hand in my jacket pocket. I just gave him a surprised look and he said, "oh never mind" and that was the end of it!

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The criteria was...If you kissed CJ's butt and followed his sales activity strategy then you were able to attend. Those representatives who were professional & ethical as well as actually worked in their territory weren't invited.

Why cry about it now. He is gone, however the memory of CJ & his ex BMSV( Dupont) cronies have left a terrible taste on our minds that will last forever. It is a shame that even when the garbage was taken out of BMSV, there were some good people who were either terminated or left because of CJ & his crew's activities. Lets move on and try to make this division what it use to represent........

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To all the few remaining BMSV legacy people out there who attended the Vegas meeting post-reyataz launch. Do any of you know what the true selection criteria was for CJ taking people out to dinner and then to see cirque du soleil's "O"? I never figured that one out but I remember alot of good reps were left high and dry and very upset about it. That was very bad for morale and very divisive for the group.

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I was part of the group that went to "O" and have no idea what the selection criteria was. I was not thrilled that most were left out, and felt weird about going. Regarding the person who said they are straight and were hit on by the PCAM; while I agree they are largely a gay-boy club, your comments sound pretty homophobic. A polite 'no thanks' would have been sufficient, and you might question if you really belong in this division if you have problems with other people's sexuality.

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I remember a moe put his hand in my jacket pocket. I just gave him a surprised look and he said, "oh never mind" and that was the end of it!

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The criteria was...If you kissed CJ's butt and followed his sales activity strategy then you were able to attend. Those representatives who were professional & ethical as well as actually worked in their territory weren't invited.

Why cry about it now. He is gone, however the memory of CJ & his ex BMSV( Dupont) cronies have left a terrible taste on our minds that will last forever. It is a shame that even when the garbage was taken out of BMSV, there were some good people who were either terminated or left because of CJ & his crew's activities. Lets move on and try to make this division what it use to represent........

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<font color="red"> </font> AMEN!!!!!

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We are all so sick of hearing the lies about CJ and Acho and whoever else. You stupid SOB. No one cares. You are such an idiot that you think by posting all these names you are going to get someone in trouble. You didn't get the job, someone from Dupont got it, now GET OVER IT IDIOT!

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Who is the DBM in the southwest? Who are the best reps out there?

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Someone on here named the LA DBM a very unflattering name, so I doubt it is that DBM

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NOTHING!

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As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe....IDIOTS

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The RBD for the West. She has had several lawsuits..,...and is always DRUNK...watch her.....always at the BAR.....and always half asleep in meetings.....hungover

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NOTHING!

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As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe....IDIOTS

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BMSer here. I actually like almost everyone who came over from DuPont. I know there were issues at the beginning of the acquisition, but it seems to flow pretty smooth now, or at least I think. Is there still tension felt from the former DuPont people? I have to admit, I don't know much about the activities of the PCAM's, and I know even less about the KAMs.

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The RBD for the West. She has had several lawsuits..,...and is always DRUNK...watch her.....always at the BAR.....and always half asleep in meetings.....hungover

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Wow. That is news to me. OK, I will pay attention to her more. I 'get' the drinking thing, but the sexual harassment still baffles me if you are talking about the same person.

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It was the last straw for a few and probably one of the many pitfalls CJ made that led to his demise. Actually, I believe it was RC that made that call for the Vegas meeting. CJ's was the South Beach deal where a bunch of people including the beautiful CJ suck-ups went to Nobu. That made some people PO'd against certain team members for keeping them out of the loop. Hey, it was an interesting ride back then.

And yes, PCAMs are overpaid do nothings that flaunt their gayness around at meetings like they are better than the rest - untouchable if you know what I mean!

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YOU'RE ALL WRONG....IT WAS RON COOPER.........WHO MADE THE CALL ON THAT&gt;....

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NOTHING!

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Well, let me tell you...we were "greeted" like the anti-christ. Seriously. And no one gave a shit what true qualities we had/what we had done. We were treated incredibly disrespectfully. And we had NO IDEA whether we were going to have a job for 6 months. No one would tell us until Oct 1, the day of integration. It was an incredibly painful time for all of the DP people. I'd give the retention bonus back any day to have gotten a little compassion back then.


As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe....IDIOTS

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BMSer here. I actually like almost everyone who came over from DuPont. I know there were issues at the beginning of the acquisition, but it seems to flow pretty smooth now, or at least I think. Is there still tension felt from the former DuPont people? I have to admit, I don't know much about the activities of the PCAM's, and I know even less about the KAMs.

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NOTHING!

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Well, let me tell you...we were "greeted" like the anti-christ. Seriously. And no one gave a shit what true qualities we had/what we had done. We were treated incredibly disrespectfully. And we had NO IDEA whether we were going to have a job for 6 months. No one would tell us until Oct 1, the day of integration. It was an incredibly painful time for all of the DP people. I'd give the retention bonus back any day to have gotten a little compassion back then.


As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe....IDIOTS

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BMSer here. I actually like almost everyone who came over from DuPont. I know there were issues at the beginning of the acquisition, but it seems to flow pretty smooth now, or at least I think. Is there still tension felt from the former DuPont people? I have to admit, I don't know much about the activities of the PCAM's, and I know even less about the KAMs.

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Well, let me tell you...we were "greeted" like the anti-christ. Seriously. And no one gave a shit what true qualities we had/what we had done. We were treated incredibly disrespectfully. And we had NO IDEA whether we were going to have a job for 6 months. No one would tell us until Oct 1, the day of integration. It was an incredibly painful time for all of the DP people. I'd give the retention bonus back any day to have gotten a little compassion back then.


As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe...

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NOTHING!

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Well, let me tell you...we were "greeted" like the anti-christ. Seriously. And no one gave a shit what true qualities we had/what we had done. We were treated incredibly disrespectfully. And we had NO IDEA whether we were going to have a job for 6 months. No one would tell us until Oct 1, the day of integration. It was an incredibly painful time for all of the DP people. I'd give the retention bonus back any day to have gotten a little compassion back then.


As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe....IDIOTS

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BMSer here. I actually like almost everyone who came over from DuPont. I know there were issues at the beginning of the acquisition, but it seems to flow pretty smooth now, or at least I think. Is there still tension felt from the former DuPont people? I have to admit, I don't know much about the activities of the PCAM's, and I know even less about the KAMs.

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Well, let me tell you...we were "greeted" like the anti-christ. Seriously. And no one gave a shit what true qualities we had/what we had done. We were treated incredibly disrespectfully. And we had NO IDEA whether we were going to have a job for 6 months. No one would tell us until Oct 1, the day of integration. It was an incredibly painful time for all of the DP people. I'd give the retention bonus back any day to have gotten a little compassion back then.


As a former DP employee who was acquired, they didn't do SHIT there either.....but don't act so high and mighty, BMS'ers...there is much more ineptness here.....shit, look at your KAM group and the dumbass who leads it.

And here's a great example of how STUPID you really are/were....so many BMS people reminisce about when they could do stuff "off-label....print things off the internet...etc..." NO ONE - NO COMPANY WAS EVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT....THAT IS NOT A NEW FDA policy despite what you believe...

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That is a bunch of BS....You Duponters basically bought the Sustiva business....Nobu Dinners, Bdway Tickets, Sporting Events, Lunch &amp; Learns at Day Spas....When you came over to BMSV, you then had to sell on the FABs of the product and not the size of your T&amp;E Budget. Also, let us not forget the very nice retention bonus you got when the merger was complete....I think it was 25% of your bloated salaries. All the BMS Legacy representatives got was stress hearing the way it was at Dupont and how unethical &amp; lazy their reps really were.

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It was the last straw for a few and probably one of the many pitfalls CJ made that led to his demise. Actually, I believe it was RC that made that call for the Vegas meeting. CJ's was the South Beach deal where a bunch of people including the beautiful CJ suck-ups went to Nobu. That made some people PO'd against certain team members for keeping them out of the loop. Hey, it was an interesting ride back then.

And yes, PCAMs are overpaid do nothings that flaunt their gayness around at meetings like they are better than the rest - untouchable if you know what I mean!

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YOU'RE ALL WRONG....IT WAS RON COOPER.........WHO MADE THE CALL ON THAT&gt;....

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that SOB made me pay part of that NOBU expense. he didn't pay for it completely. maybe he didn't charge his true inner circle. like the folx who would join him in his suite for a night cap. oh boy, were those the days!

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We are all so sick of hearing the lies about CJ and Acho and whoever else. You stupid SOB. No one cares. You are such an idiot that you think by posting all these names you are going to get someone in trouble. You didn't get the job, someone from Dupont got it, now GET OVER IT IDIOT!

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I personally never had any problems with any of the DuPont crew. If anything, I felt that they brought some great diversity to the group. I also don't agree that DuPont bought the business. Sustiva is an awesome drug, and I am personally glad that it came at a time when all we at BMS had was Zerit and Videx. Sustiva was a breath of fresh air with all of Zerit's issues, and Videx EC just didn't catch on the way it should have. Not all of us from BMS harbored ill feelings toward the DuPont people. I will say that I thought CJ was freaky, but hell, we had some freaks of our own. Now, I don't know who to trust, as I know literally nothing about JDS or a couple of the region managers. It's true that Ron did make the decisions regarding the "O" tickets, and I don't know why/how the decision was made. I will say that it wasn't a wise decision to exclude people.

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Sustiva was flattening out in sales at the time of the acquisition, most of us know it and have seen the sales charts. Isn't it funny how once we bought it (actually overpaid dearly) and brought everyone on board, the sales started to rocket up again! How the hell CJ can be credited for anything positive with DuPont other than bringing on some talented people and some less than talented slugs (don't worry, BMS has/had a few of those along the way too). Seeing CJ face down drunk at a dinner meeting trying to speak some form of english or "cj talk" in front of KOLs was absolutely embarrasing. This was an ongoing problem with the chap - guess that is part of what led to his demise. How Duponters could look up to someone like that is beyond me. He came right out and said at meetings, do what you think is best for the business, go outside the box and so forth - a lot of duponters thought that was cool stuff. THe bms'ers started to pick up those attitudes as well and then the change hit.
Virology has changed forever with the prior so called leadership (MA, CJ, RC) and it is sad. MJP might like the cocktails but at least that person has higher morales than those listed. DL is DL - too bad.

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I have to agree about that guy, and about PC staying off this site. Obviously they should feel free to browse, but to make those comments is tacky. I feel badly that PC is having a bloodbath, but they have so many posts about that already, and virology has so few. I am stunned to see all the posts about certain people that I thought were 'clean' but no shock to see people freaked out by that dude who is the acting DM in upstate NY. I can smell a butt kisser a mile away, and that guy wants to be in top mgmt. Unfortunately for us, he prob. will, as upper mgmt loves a big butt kisser like that dufus. Does anyone from the NE like that idiot?

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The problem is that the Region guy loves him and has no clue that the entire district will leave if he gets the job. In this division you can't treat reps like babies, and he was a rep just a few months ago...so - there you go, PC, there will be a bunch of openings

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so who is a bigger idiot? the 'acting DBM' or the region head? I was trying to decide that myself at the meeting.

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The bottom line is that this division has a terrible habit of promoting people who are awful and unqualified just because they "put in their time". That's why JA could very well get the DBM job in upstate. It's a huge district. No one lasts there. DR was given FDM job and he's an ass with no people skills. This is why everyone in Virology bitches on this board. And to the PC people - if you don't want to hear about it, stay on your own posts.

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If the person putting on the smiley's is in Virology, that is really sad. I have a feeling it is a terminated rep. And yes, those people were terminated for a reason, so they aren't lies. That being said, there has been an awful lot posted about them, and I would like to see things posted that are relevant today. For instance, how come I have to come on here to find out about the massive layoffs in PC? Shouldn't the company keep us informed? That is not smart to keep people "in the dark" and this company is guilty of that so often. We have lost 3 good people in the last couple of weeks (to Tibotech), and I just now find out about it. That is just inexcusable, that they go gangbusters when someone is hired, but silent when someone leaves.

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Does anyone know what it is that the KAM's do?

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Love Acho

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If the person putting on the smiley's is in Virology, that is really sad. I have a feeling it is a terminated rep. And yes, those people were terminated for a reason, so they aren't lies. That being said, there has been an awful lot posted about them, and I would like to see things posted that are relevant today. For instance, how come I have to come on here to find out about the massive layoffs in PC? Shouldn't the company keep us informed? That is not smart to keep people "in the dark" and this company is guilty of that so often. We have lost 3 good people in the last couple of weeks (to Tibotech), and I just now find out about it. That is just inexcusable, that they go gangbusters when someone is hired, but silent when someone leaves.

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No one's leaving the NE. This post is such bs.
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No one's leaving the NE. This post is such bs.
Signed CJ II

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Hey CJ, How's it going?

Love you,

Acho

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No one's leaving the NE. This post is such bs.
Signed CJ II

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Hey CJ, How's it going?

Love you,

Acho

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Just wanted to say Dupont reps are still better than BMS reps.
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NO, no. It's a part inside your car engine. It's the rod that drives the piston.

See ya,

CJ
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Ex-Dupont HIV Reps are the laziest, unethical sales professionals that sold pharmaceuticals. Many of them are the scum of the earth and that is why BMSV sucks today. If any of them had one iota of the professionalism of the BMS Immunology Field Sales Force had, we would be the #1 HIV company in the industry!!! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/mad.gif

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I won't say what company I came from, but my opinion is that 75% of ALL reps SUCK in Virology. Doesn't matter where they came from - BMS or DP. The truth is hard. I will say one thing: the primary care reps who have moved to Virology are exceedingly competent and hard working and THANKFUL to have a job. I'd hire more of them ANY DAY if I were a manager. Think about it, if you were starting a company, who would you HIRE? For what it is worth, create some value in yourself to the company and you will create your own job security.

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KAM here....we need a new director. He is uninspiring, dumb, lazy and sets a horrible example for us.

[Anonymous]

Hey this is CJ. Just wanted to stop by and say Hi. Long Island is great this time of year.

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No one's leaving the NE. This post is such bs.
Signed CJ II

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Hey CJ, How's it going?

Acho

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Just wanted to say Dupont reps are still better than BMS reps.
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No one's leaving the NE. This post is such bs.
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DuPont had and still has some great reps and some awful ones. BMS, same story. I agree that coming from PC to virology is a great move, especially now. BMS has great HIV products, don't kid yourselves. Would you like to be selling Lexiva? How about T20? How about Combivir? We are lucky, and I am personally thankful. I am hopeful that Jay L will shake things up a bit. He seems like he has his head on straight, and that is good news. I don't know enough about Jill DS to form an opinion yet. The region managers need some help, but MJP seems competent and is certainly the most popular of the three. The DBM is probably the most crucial person, because they make or break rep morale the vast majority of the time. I hope you guys quit whining about morale being low. Look on the bright side, there look to be some positive things happening with JL at the helm, and lets just not be negative; life is so much better when you don't think negative. Yes, we have sucky reps and sucky DBMs, and I hope that with Jay at the helm, he will rock the boat and guide those losers out of virology.

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At this point I really don't think anyone cares. Just let this die.

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Hey, this is CJ. Yeah, let it rest. I'm tired of all these lies about me. Can you say slander?????? huh?????? Can you????

Libel and Slander
"Libel", "slander", and "defamation" are commonly used as synonyms in ordinary language, at least in Britain and Ireland. However, those jurisdictions that distinguish "libel" and "slander" as legal concepts do so on the following broad basis: defamatory communication in writing is termed "libel" while one made via the spoken word is termed "slander". However, because the underlying distinction is between permanent and transient communications, some jurisdictions regard all defamatory communications (even spoken statements) broadcast on radio or television as "libel". Both acts share a common legal history, although they may be treated differently under some legal systems. According to the American and English Encyclopedia of Law, a libel is a malicious defamation expressed either by writing or printing or by signs, pictures, effigies or the like; tending to blacken the memory of one who is dead, or to impeach the honesty, integrity, virtue or reputation, or to publish the natural or alleged defects of one who is alive, thereby exposing him to public hatred, contempt, ridicule or obloquy; or to cause him to be avoided or shunned or to injure him in his office, business or occupation.

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Even if a statement is derogatory, there are circumstances in which such statements are permissible in law.

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Truth
In many, though not all, legal systems, statements presented as fact must be false to be defamatory. Proving to be true is often the best defense against a prosecution for libel. Statements of opinion which cannot be proven true or false will likely need to apply some other kind of defense.

In some systems, however, truth alone is not a defense. It is also necessary in these cases to show that there is a well founded public interest in the specific information being widely known, and this may be the case even for public figures.

See also Doctrine of substantial truth.

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Privilege and Malice
Almost all legal systems, including those of the United States, Scotland, and England and Wales, require in some situations that the subject of the communication prove, in a civil court, that the defendant made the statement with "malice", meaning either believing it was false or with "reckless disregard" for whether it was false. This is known as "qualified privilege"; a typical example is a complaint of professional misconduct. "Absolute privilege" has the effect that a statement cannot be sued on as defamatory, even if it was made maliciously; a typical example is evidence given by a witness on oath (although this may give rise to different claims, such as an action for malicious prosecution) or statements made in a session of the legislature.

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Some jurisdictions have a separate tort or delict of "verbal injury" or "convicium" involving the making of a statement, even if truthful, designed to harm the claimant out of malice; some have a separate tort or delict of "invasion of privacy" in which the making of a true statement may give rise to liability: but neither of these comes under the general heading of "defamation". Some jurisdictions also have the tort of "false light", in which a statement may be technically true, but so misleading as to be defamatory. There is also, in almost all jurisdictions, a tort or delict of "misrepresentation", involving the making of a statement which is untrue even though not defamatory; thus if a surveyor states that a house is free from the risk of flooding, he or she has not defamed anyone, but may still be liable to someone who purchases the house in reliance on this statement.

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Many nations have criminal penalties for defamation in some situations, and different conditions for determining whether an offense has occurred. Thus, for example, in Zimbabwe "insulting the President" is by statute (Public Order and Security Act 2001) a criminal offence. In European systems, criminal liability for defamation is virtually obsolete by reason of the freedom of expression provisions of Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. An important example is Lingens v. Austria (1986) 8 E.H.R.R. 407. Lingens was fined for publishing in a Vienna magazine comments about the behaviour of the Austrian Chancellor, such as 'basest opportunism', 'immoral' and 'undignified'. Under the Austrian criminal code the only defence was proof of the truth of these statements. Lingens could not prove the truth of these value judgments. The European Court of Human Rights stated that a careful distinction needed to be made between facts and value judgments/opinions. The existence of facts can be demonstrated, whereas the truth of value judgments is not susceptible of proof. The facts on which Lingens founded his value judgments were not disputed; nor was his good faith. Since it was impossible to prove the truth of value judgments, the requirement of the relevant provisions of the Austrian criminal code was impossible of fulfilment and infringed article 10 of the Convention. This article deals only with civil claims for defamation, in which the person defamed, rather than the state, is the person complaining and seeking a remedy.

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In most early systems of law verbal defamations were treated as a criminal or quasi-criminal offence, its essence lying not in pecuniary loss, which may be compensated by damages, but in the personal insult which must be atoned for: a vindictive penalty coming in the place of personal revenge. By the law of the Twelve Tables, the composition of scurrilous songs and gross noisy public affronts were punished by death. Minor offences of the same class seem to have found their place under the general conception of injuria, which included ultimately every form of direct personal aggression which involved abuse or insult.

In the later Roman jurisprudence, from which many of modern laws descend, verbal defamations are dealt with in the edict under two heads. The first comprehended defamatory and injurious statements made in a public manner (convicium contra bonos mores). In this case the essence of the offence lay in the unwarrantable public proclamation. In such a case the truth of the statements was no justification for the unnecessarily public and insulting manner in which they had been made. The second head included defamatory statements made in private, and in this case the offence lay in the imputation itself, not in the manner of its publication. The truth was therefore a sufficient defence, for no man had a right to demand legal protection for a false reputation. Even belief in the truth was enough, because it took away the intention which was essential to the notion of injuria.

The law thus aimed at giving sufficient scope for the discussion of a man's character, while it protected him from needless insult and pain. The remedy for verbal defamation was long confined to a civil action for a monetary penalty, which was estimated according to the significance of the case, and which, although vindictive in its character, doubtless included practically the element of compensation. But a new remedy was introduced with the extension of the criminal law, under which many kinds of defamation were punished with great severity. At the same time increased importance attached to the publication of defamatory books and writings, the libri or libelli famosi, from which we derive our modern use of the word libel; and under the later emperors the latter term came to be specially applied to anonymous accusations or pasquils, the dissemination of which was regarded as particularly dangerous, and visited with very severe punishment, whether the matter contained in them were true or false.

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Modern libel and slander laws as implemented in many but not all Commonwealth nations, in the United States, and in the Republic of Ireland, are originally descended from English defamation law.

The earlier history of the English law of defamation is somewhat obscure. Civil actions for damages seem to have been tolerably frequent so far back as the reign of Edward I (1272–1307). There was no distinction drawn between words written and spoken. When no pecuniary penalty was involved such cases fell within the old jurisdiction of the ecclesiastical courts, which were only finally abolished in the eighth century. It seems, to say the least, uncertain whether any generally applicable criminal process was in use.

The crime of scandalum magnatum, spreading false reports about the magnates of the realm, was established by statutes, but the first fully reported case in which libel is affirmed generally to be punishable at common law is one tried in the Star Chamber in the reign of James I. In that case no English authorities are cited except a previous case of the same nature before the same tribunal; the law and terminology appear to be taken directly from Roman sources, with the insertion that libels tended to a breach of the peace; and it seems probable that not very scrupulous tribunal had simply found it convenient to adopt the very stringent Roman provisions regarding the libelli famosi without paying any regard to the Roman limitations. From that time we find both the criminal and civil remedies in full operation.

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English Admiralty law
In admiralty law, a libel was the equivalent of a civil lawsuit. The plaintiff was referred to as the "libellant". The verb "to libel" means "to sue [in admiralty]". Similar terminology was used in the United States legal system. The term has been rendered obsolete by the merger of the admiralty courts with tribunals of general jurisdiction and the adoption of simplified rules of civil procedure that specify "one form of action" for all claims.

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Modern law
English law allows actions for libel to be brought in the High Court for any published statements which defame a named or identifiable individual or individuals in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them.

A statement can include an implication. A large photograph of Tony Blair above a headline saying "Corrupt Politicians" might be held to be an allegation that Tony Blair was personally corrupt.

The allowable defences against libel are:

Justification: the defendant proves that the statement was true. If the defence fails, a court may treat any material produced by the defence to substantiate it, and any ensuing media coverage, as factors aggravating the libel and increasing the damages.
Fair Comment: the defendant shows that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff.
Privilege: the defendant's comments were made in Parliament or under oath in court of law or were an accurate and neutral report of such comments. There is also a defence of 'qualified privilege' under which people, who are not acting out of malice, may claim privilege for fair reporting of allegations which if true were in the public interest to be published. The leading modern English case on qualified privilege in the context of newspaper articles which are claimed to defame a public figure is now Reynolds v. Times Newspapers Ltd and Others, 1999 UKHL 45.
An offer of amends - typically a combination of correction, apology and/or financial compensation - is a barrier to litigation in the courts.

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Burden of Proof on the Plaintiff
In most legal systems the courts give the benefit of the doubt to people being tried. They are presumed innocent until the prosecution can prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt (in criminal law), or the plaintiff can show liability on a balance of probabilities (in civil law). However, at first glance, this burden of proof, in defamation laws in some country's legal systems (eg UK, Australia), seems to be reversed.

This is not the case in all legal systems, eg in USA the burden of proof is on the accuser, consistent with other laws.

In systems where the burden of proof is said to be reversed, once the plaintiff meets the burden of proof that the publisher made the allegedly defamatory statement, the untruth of that statement is then presumed — the innocence of the person allegedly defamed is presumed, rather than the innocence of the person allegedly defaming.

So the burden of proof falls onto the defendant in the case, which can be called a reversal of the burden of proof.

The English laws on libel have traditionally favored the plaintiffs. A recent decision by the European Court of Human Rights (in the so-called "McLibel case") held that, on the (exceptional) facts of that case, the burden on the defendants in the English courts was too high. However, it is unlikely that the case will provoke any considerable change in substantive English law, despite strong academic criticism of the current position. [1]

In 1990, McDonald's Restaurants sued Morris &amp; Steel (called the McLibel case) for libel. The original case lasted seven years, making it the longest-running court action in English history. Beginning in 1986, London Greenpeace, a small environmental campaigning group, distributed a pamphlet entitled What’s wrong with McDonald’s: Everything they don’t want you to know. The pamphlet claimed that the McDonald's corporation sells unhealthy food, exploits its work force, practices unethical marketing of its products towards children, is cruel to animals, needlessly uses up resources and creates pollution with its packaging and is responsible for destroying the South American rain forests. Although McDonald's won two hearings, the widespread public opinion against them turned the case into a matter of embarrassment for the company. McDonald's announced that it has no plans to collect the £40,000 it was awarded by the courts, and offered to pay the defendants to drop the case. Since then, certain aspects of the trial has been declared by the European Court of Human Rights to be in violation of the Convention on Human Rights.

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United States law
US defamation law is often less plaintiff-friendly than its counterparts in European and Commonwealth countries. This is because of the First Amendment's strong protection of free speech, which arose from the tradition of dissent that led to the American Revolutionary War. One very important distinction today is that European and Commonwealth jurisdictions adhere to a theory that every publication of a defamation gives rise to a separate claim, so that a defamation on the internet could be sued on in any country in which it was read, while American law only allows one claim for the primary publication (see Defamation and intellectual property jurisdiction website).

In the United States, about 75% of defamation lawsuits are filed in state courts, and the remaining 25% in federal courts. A comprehensive discussion of what is and is not libel or slander is difficult, because each state's definition differs. Some states lump slander and libel together into the same set of laws. Some states have criminal libel laws on the books, though these are old laws which are infrequently prosecuted.

Most defendants in libel lawsuits are newspapers, which are involved in about twice as many lawsuits as are TV stations. Most plaintiffs are corporations, business people, entertainers and other public figures, and inmates. Most states do not allow defamation lawsuits to be filed if the allegedly defamed person is already deceased. None of the states allows the plaintiff to be a group of people.

In the various states, whether by case law or actual legislation, there are generally several "privileges" that can get a defamation case dismissed without proceeding to trial. These include the allegedly defamatory statement being one of opinion rather than fact; or being "fair comment and criticism", as it is important to society that everyone be able to comment on matters of public interest.

If a defamation lawsuit actually gets to trial, truth is a "defense." Another is if the allegedly defamatory statement is not actually capable of being defamatory—an insulting statement that does not harm someone's reputation is prima facie not libelous. Another defense that is presented by accused media companies is "fault"—a series of court rulings led by New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) established that for a plaintiff to win a libel case, "actual malice" or "reckless negligence" must be proved on the part of the defendant if the statement in question is about a public official or public figure. In the case of a private figure, the plaintiff must merely prove negligence.

Under United States law libel generally requires five key elements. The plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the defendant was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.

If a plaintiff's reputation is found by the court to be incapable of further defamation, they are identified as a Libel Proof.

The Associated Press estimates that 95% of libel cases involving news stories do not arise from high-profile news stories, but "run of the mill" local stories like news coverage of local criminal investigations or trials, or business profiles. "Media liability insurance" is available to newspapers to cover potential damage awards from libel lawsuits.

The Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents new laws from depriving people of their basic human rights, such as those listed in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. These rights include Freedom of Speech, the First Amendment. The slander/defamation laws, passed later in U.S. history, places limits on the originally unlimited Freedom of Speech, so the 9th comes into play. The 1st and 9th Amendments are often used in defense of a person who is alleged to have broken the slander laws.

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History
Laws regulating slander and libel in the United States began to develop even before the American Revolution. In one of the most famous cases, New York publisher John Peter Zenger was imprisoned for 8 months in 1734 for printing attacks on the governor of the colony. Zenger won his case and was acquitted by jury in 1735 under the counsel of Andrew Hamilton. The case established some precedent that the truth should be an absolute defense against libel charges. Previous English defamation law had not provided this guarantee. This impacted the later formers of the U.S. constitution, including Gouverneur Morris, who said

The trial of Zenger in 1735 was the germ of American freedom, the morning star of that liberty which subsequently revolutionized America.
Zenger's case also established that libel cases, though they were civil rather than criminal cases, could be heard by a jury, which would have the authority to rule on the allegations and to set the amount of monetary damages awarded. [citation needed]

Although the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was designed specifically to protect freedom of the press, the Supreme Court long neglected to use it to rule on libel cases, leaving libel laws mixed across the states. In 1964, however, the court issued an opinion in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, dramatically changing the nature of libel law in the United States. In that case, the court determined that public officials could only win a suit for libel if they could demonstrate "actual malice" on the part of reporters or publishers. In that case, "actual malice" was defined as "knowledge that the information was false" or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." This decision was later extended to cover "public figures", although the standard is still considerably lower in the case of private individuals.

In 1974, in Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., (418 U.S. 323), the Supreme Court ruled that a plaintiff could not win a libel suit when the statement(s) in question were of opinion rather than fact. In the words of the court, "under the First Amendment, there is no such thing as a false idea". For example, contrast "I think Jo is a bad lawyer", which is opinion, with "Jo doesn't know the law", which is defamatory per se. In Gertz, the Supreme Court also established a mens rea or culpability requirement for defamation; states cannot impose strict liability because that would run afoul of the First Amendment. This holding differs significantly from most other common law jurisdictions, which still have strict liability for defamation.

In 1988, in Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, (485 U.S. 46), the Supreme Court ruled that a parody advertisement claiming Jerry Falwell had engaged in an incestuous act with his mother in an outhouse, while false, could not be subject to damages for emotional distress because the statement, in effect, was of a character as being so obviously ridiculous that it was clearly not true, and thus it could not be libelous if no one would seriously believe it. The court overturned a lower court's upholding of an award where the jury decided against the claim of libel but awarded damages for emotional distress. In 1984, Falwell was forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 for Falwell's taped insults of the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches.

During a TV show in the U.S. about Mad Cow disease with Howard Lyman, talk show hostess Oprah Winfrey exclaimed, "It has just stopped me cold from eating another burger!" Texas cattlemen sued her and Lyman in early 1998 for "false defamation of perishable food" and "business disparagement," claiming that Winfrey's remarks subsequently sent cattle prices tumbling, costing beef producers some USD $12 million. After a trial spanning over two months in an Amarillo, Texas court in the thick of cattle country, the jury found that Winfrey was not guilty, did not act with malice, and was not liable for damages. The court ruled Winfrey was not guilty specifically because scientific findings were varied, rendering it impossible to prove that her allegations were false.

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Australian law
Australian law tends to follow English law on defamation issues, although there are differences introduced by statute, and by an implied constitutional limitation on governmental powers to limit speech of a political nature.

A recent judgment of the High Court of Australia has significant consequences on interpretation of the law. On 10 December 2002, the High Court of Australia handed down its judgment in the Internet defamation dispute in the case of Gutnick v Dow Jones. The judgment, which established that Internet-published foreign publications which defamed an Australian in his Australian reputation could be held accountable under Australian libel law, has gained worldwide attention and is often (although inaccurately, see for example Berezovsky v Forbes in England) said to be the first of its kind; the case was subsequently settled.

Among the various common law jurisdictions, some Americans have presented a visceral and vocal reaction to the Gutnick decision. It has been suggested that both the broad assertion of personal jurisdiction by Australia (which has a similar personal jurisdiction rule to most jurisdictions) and the underlying imposition of strict liability for defamation run counter to notions of fairness and due process that Americans consider to be fundamental aspects of their system of justice. On the other hand, the decision, which mirrors similar decisions in many other jurisdictions such as England, Scotland, France, and Italy, has been defended on the basis that those who choose to publish worldwide cannot complain if they are sued worldwide; and the existence of pro-defender defamation laws in America does not give Americans a licence to be free of the laws of other countries.

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Canadian law
As with most Commonwealth jurisdictions, Canada also follows English law on defamation issues (although the law in the province of Quebec has different roots). A recent Supreme Court of Canada case, Hill v. Church of Scientology of Toronto (1995), has reviewed the relationship of the common law of defamation and its relation to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is also the largest libel award (CAD 1,600,000 against the church) upheld in Canada and part of the ongoing legal problems of Scientology. This reasoning in this case specifically rejects the actual malice test in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan citing criticism of it, not only in the United States, but in other countries as well.

Defamation as a tort does not infringe the freedom of expression guarantee under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, according to the Nova Scotia Supreme Court in Coates v. The Citizen (1988), 44 C.C.L.T. 286 (N.S.S.C.). Defamatory libel as a criminal offence under the Criminal Code is equally valid, according to the Supreme Court of Canada: R. v. Lucas, [1998] 1 S.C.R. 439.



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DuPont had and still has some great reps and some awful ones. BMS, same story. I agree that coming from PC to virology is a great move, especially now. BMS has great HIV products, don't kid yourselves. Would you like to be selling Lexiva? How about T20? How about Combivir? We are lucky, and I am personally thankful. I am hopeful that Jay L will shake things up a bit. He seems like he has his head on straight, and that is good news. I don't know enough about Jill DS to form an opinion yet. The region managers need some help, but MJP seems competent and is certainly the most popular of the three. The DBM is probably the most crucial person, because they make or break rep morale the vast majority of the time. I hope you guys quit whining about morale being low. Look on the bright side, there look to be some positive things happening with JL at the helm, and lets just not be negative; life is so much better when you don't think negative. Yes, we have sucky reps and sucky DBMs, and I hope that with Jay at the helm, he will rock the boat and guide those losers out of virology.

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I was totally with you until you made the comment that MJ was competent and the most liked. I disagree with you on both points.