SCIOS

[Anonymous]

Nice to see the ship has been righted. Ever since Scios threw the underperformers overboard sales have definitely set a course for unchartered waters. What is the JnJ version of the Bermuda Triangle for dead companies? Skipper Randy and 1st Mate Kim are busy multi-tasking: baling water and sending up flares to other companies, and rearranging chairs on the deck (at least she ain't dancing on them). All the while their officers are diligently looking to lead or join another crew. And we know the CVSs who missed the 2-23-06 lifeboats are sending out distress signals and resumes and diving off.

This is no longer the sinking of Titanic, ha! Try SS Minnow! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/laugh.gif

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip...
well, you know the rest.

Wake up JnJ.

[Tyree]

KH was dancing to the band at the BBQ though... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif

Far cry from Hootie! They did end the set with Hotel CA though!

[Anonymous]

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Nice to see the ship has been righted. Ever since Scios threw the underperformers overboard sales have definitely set a course for unchartered waters. What is the JnJ version of the Bermuda Triangle for dead companies? Skipper Randy and 1st Mate Kim are busy multi-tasking: baling water and sending up flares to other companies, and rearranging chairs on the deck (at least she ain't dancing on them). All the while their officers are diligently looking to lead or join another crew. And we know the CVSs who missed the 2-23-06 lifeboats are sending out distress signals and resumes and diving off.

This is no longer the sinking of Titanic, ha! Try SS Minnow! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/laugh.gif

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip...
well, you know the rest.

Wake up JnJ.

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OK, so you and your miserable colleagues are boys and girls with limited vocabularies. You sit down at the computer and just type the dozen words you know over and over and over.

Have you considered starting your own blog? Why not use Imbeciles R Us as your domain name?

Criteria for membership would be simple (LOSERS ONLY!) and you are definitely qualified to screen your fraternity wannabes.

Hmmm. You start your own blog, and the rest of us get back to mature discussions without references to the sitcoms and talk shows with which you seem to be so familiar. You know, the ones that generally air during business hours?

While the language arts editor (anonymous) sobers up: does anyone out there have information about the JNJ Gateway for Nursing program? Are there any teaching materals for nursing students?

[Anonymous]

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Nice to see the ship has been righted. Ever since Scios threw the underperformers overboard sales have definitely set a course for unchartered waters. What is the JnJ version of the Bermuda Triangle for dead companies? Skipper Randy and 1st Mate Kim are busy multi-tasking: baling water and sending up flares to other companies, and rearranging chairs on the deck (at least she ain't dancing on them). All the while their officers are diligently looking to lead or join another crew. And we know the CVSs who missed the 2-23-06 lifeboats are sending out distress signals and resumes and diving off.

This is no longer the sinking of Titanic, ha! Try SS Minnow! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/laugh.gif

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip...
well, you know the rest.

Wake up JnJ.

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OK, so you and your miserable colleagues are boys and girls with limited vocabularies. You sit down at the computer and just type the dozen words you know over and over and over.

Have you considered starting your own blog? Why not use Imbeciles R Us as your domain name?

Criteria for membership would be simple (LOSERS ONLY!) and you are definitely qualified to screen your fraternity wannabes.

Hmmm. You start your own blog, and the rest of us get back to mature discussions without references to the sitcoms and talk shows with which you seem to be so familiar. You know, the ones that generally air during business hours?

While the language arts editor (anonymous) sobers up: does anyone out there have information about the JNJ Gateway for Nursing program? Are there any teaching materals for nursing students?

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Niiiiice reply but the original poster is right about everything. Nursing materials? Are you going back to school after the next round of layoffs?

What upcoming discussion do we have to look forward to? Are we going to read VMAC backwards and see if it is any better?

[Anonymous]

I have no interest in what you plan to do with VMAC. Stuffing it up your ass seems a reasonable solution to your current mental state.

This is a JNJ board, right? Given the noise about your sales force being recruited for acute care/hospital based positions, I made what may be a bad assumption - that SOMEONE on this board actually has some interest in networking on the topic of nurse educators.

It appears I have reached a brain void, courtesy of Cafe Pharma. Congratulations, genius - you are a top ten underachiever and it appears that you have surrounded yourself with clones. No wonder the pharma industry gets such a bad rap:(

[Anonymous]

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I have no interest in what you plan to do with VMAC. Stuffing it up your ass seems a reasonable solution to your current mental state.

This is a JNJ board, right? Given the noise about your sales force being recruited for acute care/hospital based positions, I made what may be a bad assumption - that SOMEONE on this board actually has some interest in networking on the topic of nurse educators.

It appears I have reached a brain void, courtesy of Cafe Pharma. Congratulations, genius - you are a top ten underachiever and it appears that you have surrounded yourself with clones. No wonder the pharma industry gets such a bad rap:(

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Hey Nurse Rachet,

Go back to your free lunch and on your way shut the F*** up!

Clones? Obviously, thee straight male nurse listening to Jim Rome while the others are at the trough. Brain void, no were just a bunch of people worrying to much about our own jobs to be concerned about you getting the CEUs you've been putting off so you can maintain your position of bed pan rotator. Or is it just the phony attention you're given by reps during the day that you long for at night cause the loneliness... spare us.

Cafe Pharma is for PHARMA, I think you're looking for Bistro Nursa. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/laugh.gif

[Anonymous]

Hey Nurse Rachet,

Go back to your free lunch and on your way shut the F*** up!

Clones? Obviously, thee straight male nurse listening to Jim Rome while the others are at the trough. Brain void, no were just a bunch of people worrying to much about our own jobs to be concerned about you getting the CEUs you've been putting off so you can maintain your position of bed pan rotator. Or is it just the phony attention you're given by reps during the day that you long for at night cause the loneliness... spare us.

Cafe Pharma is for PHARMA, I think you're looking for Bistro Nursa. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/laugh.gif

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Well, well, well. It appears that this board has both a Literary Editor AND a Slacker In Chief.

Heads up SIC-O: YOU have made Cafe Pharma a place for Pharma losers, and it appears that you've run off anyone capable of intelligent conversation. Congratulations.

Print this one and put it on the wall of your double wide. It's probably the only credential you've got, dickhead.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE VALUE OF THIS BOARD? I vote ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE to anyone who plans to work for or invest in the pharma or biotech for any length of time.

[Anonymous]

When all is said and done we are all in serious trouble. RSTL and KH did nothing to lift the dispare we're feeling at the national meeting. Everyone is urgently looking for a new opportunity and vials continue to plummet. The party is over? No, the party has been over. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

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When all is said and done we are all in serious trouble. RSTL and KH did nothing to lift the dispare we're feeling at the national meeting. Everyone is urgently looking for a new opportunity and vials continue to plummet. The party is over? No, the party has been over. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

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ONE MORE CONTRIBUTION OF ZERO (0) VALUE TO THIS BOARD.

The party is over, Precious, because you've decided it's over. Pharma puts up with slackers who are disrespectful to doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and patients - all because you can sell, as judged by data you are about to stop getting (see NYT on IMS data, then call up the Editor and SIC-O to read it to them - hint, I don't think they can read).

Based on the posts here, your buddies hate everyone who doesn't hate their employer. Nice life. Do you like it?

For dessert, how about a BIG ASS Territory and no sales data with a new company, a new manager, a quota, straight salary, a GPS, and a 12 pound PDA? Sounds like a great party, betcha can't wait for that new opportunity.

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When all is said and done we are all in serious trouble. RSTL and KH did nothing to lift the dispare we're feeling at the national meeting. Everyone is urgently looking for a new opportunity and vials continue to plummet. The party is over? No, the party has been over. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

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ONE MORE CONTRIBUTION OF ZERO (0) VALUE TO THIS BOARD.

The party is over, Precious, because you've decided it's over. Pharma puts up with slackers who are disrespectful to doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and patients - all because you can sell, as judged by data you are about to stop getting (see NYT on IMS data, then call up the Editor and SIC-O to read it to them - hint, I don't think they can read).

Based on the posts here, your buddies hate everyone who doesn't hate their employer. Nice life. Do you like it?

For dessert, how about a BIG ASS Territory and no sales data with a new company, a new manager, a quota, straight salary, a GPS, and a 12 pound PDA? Sounds like a great party, betcha can't wait for that new opportunity.

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You are a very bitter, negative person and apparently you have an anti-rep agenda, maybe you should get some psychological help and leave this sight for the people for which it is intended.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

for the poster referring to "Everyone" at Scios is "looking", you are probably not fit for this industry because you not only stretch the truth on this board, you probably think it is routine normal behavior and carry this type of B.S. in to every office you call on....leave and take your B.S. with you or at least comment on the fact that you made a mistake and Everyone is not upset with their employer and Everyone is not looking to leave AND you are speaking on behalf of yourself, not Everyone at Scios...come on...come clean or leave dirty and leave NOW!!!!!!!

[Tyree]

Although I agree that very little value is gleaned on this board...I must say yours fits that catagory as well.

People are upset...I am a believer that Natrecor works and will be turned around, but a lot of people are bitter over the handling of the situation by management. Most like to flame though...instead of trying to give some meaningful dialogue.

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for the poster referring to "Everyone" at Scios is "looking", you are probably not fit for this industry because you not only stretch the truth on this board, you probably think it is routine normal behavior and carry this type of B.S. in to every office you call on....leave and take your B.S. with you or at least comment on the fact that you made a mistake and Everyone is not upset with their employer and Everyone is not looking to leave AND you are speaking on behalf of yourself, not Everyone at Scios...come on...come clean or leave dirty and leave NOW!!!!!!!

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Hi Kim,

Yeah, you're right the above poster is WAY OFF no one is looking for another job. Everyone is to busy educating physicians on the recommended use of Natrecor. Friday, 5PM I for one am going out to see at least three EDs before I head home to reread VMAC one more time before I put my head down to rest and dream about future sales.

sincerely,

One of many CVSs very content with the current state of affairs and happy to be apart of the Team http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

[Anonymous]

Everyone...I used to be the biggest Kool aid Drinker, but go ask a Ortho Mcneill or Jansen Counterpart the e-mail they received on Thurs night about the new re-alignment...We (Scios) are now part of one of three new business units....WE(Cardiovascular) are now part of primary care division....there is a virology division, and an immunology and oncology/other biotech division. JM didn't send out the official"TO all J AND J Employees's Worldwide" e-mail...sent to everyone else.....He summarized it...to fool us to thinking nothing big is going to happen. he didn't want us to know of what company we will be grouped in to...but June 1st is the big day. I am insulted that we didn't receive the original e-mail, but nervous as to exactly what is going to happen to us! If its business as usual why this? It was an eye opening experience to me....this makes me realize that I better actively be searching for a new job(I know I am an idiot for not looking earlier)...So if you have a doubt grab a centocor, ortho biotec, or ANY other JNJ biotec/pharma rep, get a copy of that e-mail, reead it for yourself, why did JM not send us that one...compare the two....let me know what u think is going on!

[Anonymous]

Funny...I heard the same thing yesterday too...makes me think they are hiding something....will they dissolve us? send us out with levaquin? My mind has been racing lately. Funny the jnj companies have been so jealous of the money we have made JM should have known that everyone would tell us...not smart on his end...its all about being transparent...right

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Funny...I heard the same thing yesterday too...makes me think they are hiding something....will they dissolve us? send us out with levaquin? My mind has been racing lately. Funny the jnj companies have been so jealous of the money we have made JM should have known that everyone would tell us...not smart on his end...its all about being transparent...right

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I heard this yesterday also from a friend at Centocor, but I thought she was full of SH** . I will ask her to send me a copy of her letter, I will try to post if its sent

[Anonymous]

Monster.com and Medzilla.com are excellent websites to use in you job search. Sorry, you didn't get the sweet package we 2-23 folks received, but I'm sure you'll be very happy with your new home in primary care. My friends still at Scios are looking and leaving as we speak, but for those of you going down with the ship with Koolaid on your breathe, well toooooo Bad. Many of us have been double dipping for months and now we will have some spare time to feel sorry for you.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

AT least I will get the job before you! Most companies know that only the rejects and losers were let go first....I will get a severence also(along w/ the rest of the scios gang) when they let go of the entire div. Read the announcement...there will be no more scios!

[Tyree]

Can someone post the full letter? I am trying to get a copy myself...

Just received full copy...it seems they are trying to sell this in this way...

Scios will have the acute care sale of Rivo. Pricara will have the chronic. They are saying it is done for "successful commercial interaction b/w Scios & Pricara" with the same group company chairman. Joe S. has been "promoted" to WW Chairman of Pharma...full responsibility for R&D, Commercial and operations.

David Norton & Paul Stoffels will co-head the: "WW CNS/ Pain/Infec.Disease/Metabolism/Cardiovascular & Primary Care business.

Kris Peterson will head up IMID/Onc/Biotech

Julie McHugh, Virology

OUCHIE! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif I guess hBNP is no longer a Biotech drug...go figure!

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AT least I will get the job before you! Most companies know that only the rejects and losers were let go first....I will get a severence also(along w/ the rest of the scios gang) when they let go of the entire div. Read the announcement...there will be no more scios!

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Don't cry on your computer. This reject and loser has a job with a biotech company which is more than I can say for your sorry ass. Enjoy the severance IF it happens, you might just be absorbed into another company and then there won't be a layoff. HaHa! You can't make this stuff up. 2006 is awesome!

[Anonymous]

S H _ T !!!! Here we go again!! I hope everyone enjoyed their trip to AZ. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

[Anonymous]

I am the one who posted about you accusing "Everyone" of being miserable and I did not argue that "Nobody" was miserable or looking to leave, so let's stick to what we do know and not stretch the frickin truth about this company. There are many unhappy folks and many content folks. For those unhappy, Leave and while you are leaving, feel free to speak your mind, just stick to the facts and quit trying to take everyone down with you. And I am not Kim, by the way...just a hard working Scios employee who believes in the product and feels strongly about keeping things going forward without the negative attitudes and doomsday viewpoints.

[Anonymous]

The Lure Of Off-Label
Robert Langreth and Matthew Herper 05.08.06


The most dubious drug sales practice is off-label marketing--pushing drugs for unproven (and unapproved) uses. Johnson & Johnson's Scios division is under federal investigation for the marketing and promotion of its heart drug, Natrecor.

The intravenous drug is approved for one-time use to relieve the symptoms of patients with severe, acute heart failure. But some doctors say Scios pushed Natrecor for weekly "tune-ups," a use that is totally unproven and potentially dangerous--and that Scios even advocated setting up special outpatient clinics as new profit centers.

Two Scios sales reps made such a pitch to the Albert Einstein College of Medicine teaching hospital in the Bronx, N.Y. in 2001, says David Brown, head of clinical cardiology at the time. Their 30-minute presentation detailed how the hospital could profit by opening a clinic that gave regular doses of Natrecor. "I was approached by them with the idea that it is a profit center based on the [Medicare] reimbursement," Brown says. Medicare paid doctors up to $600 for each visit plus the cost of the drug.

Brown declined, as did a colleague. But such clinics were becoming widespread. When Brown took a new job at SUNY Stony Brook in 2004, he found that a Natrecor infusion clinic had opened up. The clinic closed shortly after he clamped down on the practice.

Soon after J&J acquired Scios for $2.4 billion in 2003, it seemed to brag about the dubious use in a report to investors: "Natrecor is increasingly administered in less invasive clinical settings like outpatient clinics." A J&J news release boasted that weekly outpatient use of Natrecor "led to positive clinical outcomes" in a 210-patient study. In fact, the study failed to prove an effect.

Eventually J&J set up a toll-free line to help doctors with reimbursement and sent out a 46-page Natrecor billing guide. But Medicare officials decided in March 2005 to halt payments for repeated Natrecor use, aiming to discourage the practice.

Scios also sponsored a special "supplement" to the journal Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in fall 2004. MedReviews, the New York firm that published the journal, promises on its Web site to put together "a supplement that achieves your marketing objectives." One eight-page article in the supplement emphasizes in its abstract and conclusion that Natrecor may be "safe and effective" for outpatient use. MedReviews says the supplement was "educational," and not promotional in nature. Johnson & Johnson says it abided by FDA guidelines and that the articles were developed by independent experts.

Tulane University cardiologist Thierry Le Jemtel, who wrote a different article in the same supplement, says MedReviews offered to ghostwrite his article for him, but he demurred. MedReviews says it doesn't typically use ghostwriters. J&J wouldn't answer whether ghostwriters were involved

[Anonymous]

WOW!

"...and the walls come tumbling down and the walls come tumbling, tumbling..."

Is she up on the table yet?

[Anonymous]

FYI, all of the wonderful management tactics and marketing strategies employed by Scios is being looked at very closely and I am sure that there is no shortage of upstanding ethical reps who would love to share. Karma is a funny thing Randy, Kim and Darrell.

[Anonymous]

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Can someone post the full letter? I am trying to get a copy myself...

Just received full copy...it seems they are trying to sell this in this way...

Scios will have the acute care sale of Rivo. Pricara will have the chronic. They are saying it is done for "successful commercial interaction b/w Scios & Pricara" with the same group company chairman. Joe S. has been "promoted" to WW Chairman of Pharma...full responsibility for R&D, Commercial and operations.

David Norton & Paul Stoffels will co-head the: "WW CNS/ Pain/Infec.Disease/Metabolism/Cardiovascular & Primary Care business.

Kris Peterson will head up IMID/Onc/Biotech

Julie McHugh, Virology

OUCHIE! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif I guess hBNP is no longer a Biotech drug...go figure!

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TYREE who said RIVO....JM is the only one that said that in his e-mail to scios... it wasn't in the other letter. Let's face it Rivo is 3 years away....I wonder if our management feels like they owe us an explanation!!!!

[Anonymous]

It's what they call mushroom management. It works the same way, they keep you in the dark, feed you shit, and hope something good will grow.

[Anonymous]

“A lot of people are tired around here, but I'm not sure they're ready to lie down, stretch out and fall asleep.”----Jim Jones

How's that Koolaid tasting now suckers?

Happy job hunting...

[Anonymous]

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Can someone post the full letter? I am trying to get a copy myself...

Just received full copy...it seems they are trying to sell this in this way...

Scios will have the acute care sale of Rivo. Pricara will have the chronic. They are saying it is done for "successful commercial interaction b/w Scios & Pricara" with the same group company chairman. Joe S. has been "promoted" to WW Chairman of Pharma...full responsibility for R&D, Commercial and operations.

David Norton & Paul Stoffels will co-head the: "WW CNS/ Pain/Infec.Disease/Metabolism/Cardiovascular & Primary Care business.

Kris Peterson will head up IMID/Onc/Biotech

Julie McHugh, Virology

OUCHIE! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif I guess hBNP is no longer a Biotech drug...go figure!

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TYREE who said RIVO....JM is the only one that said that in his e-mail to scios... it wasn't in the other letter. Let's face it Rivo is 3 years away....I wonder if our management feels like they owe us an explanation!!!!

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HEY KH LOOKS LIKE YOU FINALLY HAD THE GUTS TO E_MAIL US THE HIDDEN E_MAIL THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT DIRECTLY TO US LIKE IT WAS EVERY OTHER EMPLOYEE AT JNJ>>>>>BEING TRansparent on a saturday right??????

[Anonymous]

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It appears I have reached a brain void, courtesy of Cafe Pharma. Congratulations, genius - you are a top ten underachiever and it appears that you have surrounded yourself with clones. No wonder the pharma industry gets such a bad rap:(

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Please allow me to quote myself (see above.....I believe one of you named me the "bed pan rotator). How many on this board have taken concerns to your management? HOW MANY OF YOU SPOKE UP at the national meeting you reference so often?

It seems that you prefer to poison the board and others' perspectives instead of moving on. Perhaps that is more gratifying than going to work? BRAIN VOID.

Instead of making other people miserable with your gloomy crystal ball, why don't you just get out? If potential employers are half as impressed with you as you are with yourself, you should have no trouble finding another employer to bash.

Perhaps your narrow understanding of current events and the industry environment will be appreciated elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

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It appears I have reached a brain void, courtesy of Cafe Pharma. Congratulations, genius - you are a top ten underachiever and it appears that you have surrounded yourself with clones. No wonder the pharma industry gets such a bad rap:(

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Please allow me to quote myself (see above.....I believe one of you named me the "bed pan rotator). How many on this board have taken concerns to your management? HOW MANY OF YOU SPOKE UP at the national meeting you reference so often?

It seems that you prefer to poison the board and others' perspectives instead of moving on. Perhaps that is more gratifying than going to work? BRAIN VOID.

Instead of making other people miserable with your gloomy crystal ball, why don't you just get out? If potential employers are half as impressed with you as you are with yourself, you should have no trouble finding another employer to bash.

Perhaps your narrow understanding of current events and the industry environment will be appreciated elsewhere.

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LOOK NO ONE SPOKE UP AT THE NATIONAL MEETING..BECAUSE THERE IS NO SOLUTION!!!! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY.....WHY ARE YOU LYING TO US, WHY HAVENT WE FOUGHT BACK WHY R WE JUST SIITING HERE LIKE LAME DUCKS.,JNJ IS WHAT IS IS,NO NEED TO COMPLAIN OUT LOUD... NO WAY!! I NEED A JOB, BUT I WANT TO GO TO THE BEST JOB FOR ME, ON MY OWN TERMS. EVERY REP IS FRUSTRATED BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME, THINGS ARE OUT OF SCIOS'S CONTROL, SO WHATS THE POINT. I SEE NO NEED TO BASH LEADERS, ETC...BUT I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OF TRUTH FROM THIS BOARD. KH MUST HAVE FELT THE NEED TO SEND THAT E-MAIL OUT ON A SATURDAY...I WANT ANSWERS TO WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE CHANGE AND THATS FAIR. I CAN SEE WHY YOU THINK EHY ITS NEGATIVE...BUT TRUTH ISN'T NEGATIVE..IT IS THE TRUTH. I NEED THE TRUTH TO BE A PROACTIVE REP. IGNORING THE TRUTH(CUSTOMERS NEEDS, STUDIES, A RUDE MED DEPARTMENT) IS WAS GOT SCIOS INTO THIS WHOLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM AN OVERACHIEVER, BUT I HAVE BEEN SENDING MY CUSTOMERS MIXED MESSAGES BECAUSE OF OUR MIXED "MARKETING" MESSAGES....UNFORT, IT HAS HURT MY CRED. IN A FEW PLACES.

[Anonymous]

Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

[Anonymous]

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LOOK NO ONE SPOKE UP AT THE NATIONAL MEETING..BECAUSE THERE IS NO SOLUTION!!!! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY.....WHY ARE YOU LYING TO US, WHY HAVENT WE FOUGHT BACK WHY R WE JUST SIITING HERE LIKE LAME DUCKS.,JNJ IS WHAT IS IS,NO NEED TO COMPLAIN OUT LOUD... NO WAY!! I NEED A JOB, BUT I WANT TO GO TO THE BEST JOB FOR ME, ON MY OWN TERMS. EVERY REP IS FRUSTRATED BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME, THINGS ARE OUT OF SCIOS'S CONTROL, SO WHATS THE POINT. I SEE NO NEED TO BASH LEADERS, ETC...BUT I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OF TRUTH FROM THIS BOARD. KH MUST HAVE FELT THE NEED TO SEND THAT E-MAIL OUT ON A SATURDAY...I WANT ANSWERS TO WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE CHANGE AND THATS FAIR. I CAN SEE WHY YOU THINK EHY ITS NEGATIVE...BUT TRUTH ISN'T NEGATIVE..IT IS THE TRUTH. I NEED THE TRUTH TO BE A PROACTIVE REP. IGNORING THE TRUTH(CUSTOMERS NEEDS, STUDIES, A RUDE MED DEPARTMENT) IS WAS GOT SCIOS INTO THIS WHOLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM AN OVERACHIEVER, BUT I HAVE BEEN SENDING MY CUSTOMERS MIXED MESSAGES BECAUSE OF OUR MIXED "MARKETING" MESSAGES....UNFORT, IT HAS HURT MY CRED. IN A FEW PLACES.

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I am thrilled that you'd like to work elsewhere. I hereby proclaim that the time is now and the place is the employer of your choice. Go ahead. Give yourself permission to move on.

Your loss of credibility is your responsibility and yours alone. I'll bet you handle the truth about like you handle mixed messages......blaming, whining, and making everyone around you miserable. So maybe you just can't handle it (the truth).

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

[Anonymous]

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Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

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THIS HAS TO BE KM....I DO NOT KNOW ONE REP THAT HASN'T BEEN ALARMED BY THE RECENT EVENTS...GET OFF OUR SITE

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LOOK NO ONE SPOKE UP AT THE NATIONAL MEETING..BECAUSE THERE IS NO SOLUTION!!!! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY.....WHY ARE YOU LYING TO US, WHY HAVENT WE FOUGHT BACK WHY R WE JUST SIITING HERE LIKE LAME DUCKS.,JNJ IS WHAT IS IS,NO NEED TO COMPLAIN OUT LOUD... NO WAY!! I NEED A JOB, BUT I WANT TO GO TO THE BEST JOB FOR ME, ON MY OWN TERMS. EVERY REP IS FRUSTRATED BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME, THINGS ARE OUT OF SCIOS'S CONTROL, SO WHATS THE POINT. I SEE NO NEED TO BASH LEADERS, ETC...BUT I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OF TRUTH FROM THIS BOARD. KH MUST HAVE FELT THE NEED TO SEND THAT E-MAIL OUT ON A SATURDAY...I WANT ANSWERS TO WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE CHANGE AND THATS FAIR. I CAN SEE WHY YOU THINK EHY ITS NEGATIVE...BUT TRUTH ISN'T NEGATIVE..IT IS THE TRUTH. I NEED THE TRUTH TO BE A PROACTIVE REP. IGNORING THE TRUTH(CUSTOMERS NEEDS, STUDIES, A RUDE MED DEPARTMENT) IS WAS GOT SCIOS INTO THIS WHOLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM AN OVERACHIEVER, BUT I HAVE BEEN SENDING MY CUSTOMERS MIXED MESSAGES BECAUSE OF OUR MIXED "MARKETING" MESSAGES....UNFORT, IT HAS HURT MY CRED. IN A FEW PLACES.

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I am thrilled that you'd like to work elsewhere. I hereby proclaim that the time is now and the place is the employer of your choice. Go ahead. Give yourself permission to move on.

Your loss of credibility is your responsibility and yours alone. I'll bet you handle the truth about like you handle mixed messages......blaming, whining, and making everyone around you miserable. So maybe you just can't handle it (the truth).

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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you've got to be kidding..I agree this must be management...People are staying here UNTIL the right opportunity comes along...Even you (management) are interviewing....Myogen, Insomed..etc. The diff between the reps and managent....WE can be selective. So what I carry A BAG FOR A WHILE....km, rstl, are getting turned down because they took the most profitable company and ran it into the ground. You say I am hiding behind these boards, you sign your name AS ANOMYNOUS also, idiot!

[Anonymous]

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Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

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THIS HAS TO BE KM....I DO NOT KNOW ONE REP THAT HASN'T BEEN ALARMED BY THE RECENT EVENTS...GET OFF OUR SITE

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hey, this doesn't have to be anybody. has iit occurred to you that there are a large percentage of the sales force that want to stickk this out WITHOUT negative slackers blaming everyone around them? scios is no way perfect - we agree here but there are people rallying around the belief that natrecor does work. I think YOU should leave this board.

[Anonymous]

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Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

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You claim you are so brave,,sign your name anonymous...why aren't you out in the field working right now if you are so into scios,we need you to keep this ball going. There is no doomsday , just the facts wait to June1st

[Anonymous]

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Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

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THIS HAS TO BE KM....I DO NOT KNOW ONE REP THAT HASN'T BEEN ALARMED BY THE RECENT EVENTS...GET OFF OUR SITE

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hey, this doesn't have to be anybody. has iit occurred to you that there are a large percentage of the sales force that want to stickk this out WITHOUT negative slackers blaming everyone around them? scios is no way perfect - we agree here but there are people rallying around the belief that natrecor does work. I think YOU should leave this board.

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I agree that people want it to work, I agree that natrecor is an awesome drug, I love the people here but how can we do this under primary care? Why are they keeping us in the dark? Where is the clinical plan? How will this change my job June 1st. One last question, if as many people leave that said they were leaving at the national meeting....How do I increase vial sales all by myself? Even the most loyal would have to ask.

[Anonymous]

I am thrilled that you'd like to work elsewhere. I hereby proclaim that the time is now and the place is the employer of your choice. Go ahead. Give yourself permission to move on.

Your loss of credibility is your responsibility and yours alone. I'll bet you handle the truth about like you handle mixed messages......blaming, whining, and making everyone around you miserable. So maybe you just can't handle it (the truth).

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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you've got to be kidding..I agree this must be management...People are staying here UNTIL the right opportunity comes along...Even you (management) are interviewing....Myogen, Insomed..etc. The diff between the reps and managent....WE can be selective. So what I carry A BAG FOR A WHILE....km, rstl, are getting turned down because they took the most profitable company and ran it into the ground. You say I am hiding behind these boards, you sign your name AS ANOMYNOUS also, idiot!

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Sorry, pal, wrong again. I did NOT say you are hiding behind these boards. I AM SAYING THIS: the reps who are interviewing and golfing instead of working are the ones running Natrecor into the ground.

FYI, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME OR OTHER BELIEVERS IN THIS PRODUCT.

[Anonymous]

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I am thrilled that you'd like to work elsewhere. I hereby proclaim that the time is now and the place is the employer of your choice. Go ahead. Give yourself permission to move on.

Your loss of credibility is your responsibility and yours alone. I'll bet you handle the truth about like you handle mixed messages......blaming, whining, and making everyone around you miserable. So maybe you just can't handle it (the truth).

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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you've got to be kidding..I agree this must be management...People are staying here UNTIL the right opportunity comes along...Even you (management) are interviewing....Myogen, Insomed..etc. The diff between the reps and managent....WE can be selective. So what I carry A BAG FOR A WHILE....km, rstl, are getting turned down because they took the most profitable company and ran it into the ground. You say I am hiding behind these boards, you sign your name AS ANOMYNOUS also, idiot!

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Sorry, pal, wrong again. I did NOT say you are hiding behind these boards. I AM SAYING THIS: the reps who are interviewing and golfing instead of working are the ones running Natrecor into the ground.

FYI, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME OR OTHER BELIEVERS IN THIS PRODUCT.

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Your right,my bad that came from some elses quote. But my numbers keep dropping, and I am working...Depends on your area, but my accounts want clinicals...they want a little more than a rep visit, no matter how much they like me. Don't getr me wrong my numbers are still better than most, but they keep dropping...

[Anonymous]

HEY MR BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT>>>>>GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND WORK>>>>EVEN I AM ON MY WAY!

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HEY MR BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT>>>>>GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND WORK>>>>EVEN I AM ON MY WAY!

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OK, Deal! If you will, I will. Pacific timezone here. Yours?

[Anonymous]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm parked in my garage and actively searching for a new job on the internet and phone. I am not going to wait and react to June 1st. I'm reacting to the NSM. The writing is on the wall, this thing is over.

[Anonymous]

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Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

[/ QUOTE ]I want the drus you are on...I might say ,you are hiding behind the cafe pharma screen anonymous...bashing you say or is it reality?

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HEY MR BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT>>>>>GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND WORK>>>>EVEN I AM ON MY WAY!

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OK, Deal! If you will, I will. Pacific timezone here. Yours?
Get alife...I sure would not be on this site off work time. 8AM Pacific time...you all have huge territories out there, you say you are working hard?? give me a break.









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FYI, all of the wonderful management tactics and marketing strategies employed by Scios is being looked at very closely and I am sure that there is no shortage of upstanding ethical reps who would love to share. Karma is a funny thing Randy, Kim and Darrell.

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I talked to a few CVS at the NSM who said they know people who have been contacted by the FBI. Does anyone know about this has it happened to any of you?

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It appears I have reached a brain void, courtesy of Cafe Pharma. Congratulations, genius - you are a top ten underachiever and it appears that you have surrounded yourself with clones. No wonder the pharma industry gets such a bad rap:(

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Please allow me to quote myself (see above.....I believe one of you named me the "bed pan rotator). How many on this board have taken concerns to your management? HOW MANY OF YOU SPOKE UP at the national meeting you reference so often?

It seems that you prefer to poison the board and others' perspectives instead of moving on. Perhaps that is more gratifying than going to work? BRAIN VOID.

Instead of making other people miserable with your gloomy crystal ball, why don't you just get out? If potential employers are half as impressed with you as you are with yourself, you should have no trouble finding another employer to bash.

Perhaps your narrow understanding of current events and the industry environment will be appreciated elsewhere.

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Everyone knows that if they say anything in public they will be done. Keep quite find a job and tell the gov what they need to know the truth. Maybe mail KH and RSTL a card in prison at Christmas... Not

[Anonymous]

No ,I only heard that people were contacted after they left the company....scary thought, get a new job wham you are delivered a subpoena...I didn't hear FBI I just heard that people had to talk to jnj lawyers for present employees

[Anonymous]

Yes I know some who have left and they are contacted by the FBI i think in CA. Some have talked others have not. I will tell them what ever they need to know. Hope to hear from them. Some how they get our numbers. KH RSTL DE CC BD JN are you scared yet....

[Anonymous]

Everyone knows that if they say anything in public they will be done. Keep quite find a job and tell the gov what they need to know the truth. Maybe mail KH and RSTL a card in prison at Christmas... Not

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Wow. You've got balls. Microscopic ones.

and oooooh, look everyone! Someone has admitted hiding behind the board! Congratulations, I think you are qualified for the twelve step program now, nanoballs.

[Anonymous]

What a mess! Does anyone know whose hiring in the SW or SC, I'll relocate?

[Anonymous]

You know what is really sad, intelligent hardworking high perfroming sales people from all over the country are logging onto essentially a gossip web site to try to determine the best course for their professional future. I am not asking for a crystal ball to look into the future, but maybe a little bit of information or leadership would be in order. Christ we still have enough RBD's and "senior" management out there...can you hear us? We are the people still trying to make this work. Well maybe we were trying to make this work. Enough is enough...

[Anonymous]

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You know what is really sad, intelligent hardworking high perfroming sales people from all over the country are logging onto essentially a gossip web site to try to determine the best course for their professional future. I am not asking for a crystal ball to look into the future, but maybe a little bit of information or leadership would be in order. Christ we still have enough RBD's and "senior" management out there...can you hear us? We are the people still trying to make this work. Well maybe we were trying to make this work. Enough is enough...

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AMEN!

NOW, DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHO IS HIRING I SUPPOSE I BETTER GET ANOTHER JOB BEFORE I FORGET HOW TO SELL.

[Anonymous]

All right gang...another conference call on WED. I hope KH doesn't ask us if there are any questions, don't put us in that situation...just tell us as much as you know about the June1st changes,or as much as you are allowed to tell us.I guess they think that talking about NAPA will make us forget about the situation...Wonder what the next bomb will be...can it get any worse than this? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif

[Anonymous]

It can get alot worse than this. The question is, how can we turn it around? Clearly the direction we are taking now is not working. Pretending that nothing changed (despite the fact that we were just morphed into primary care reps), that we are right on track to make our Q2 number (really, that is is funny). The ostrich approach of burying ones head in the sand in the face of danger is just not the answer. Some how we need to find a way to take what is left of this sales force, and keep it working and motivated to make sales calls between interviews. I for one would love to see this thing through, but confidence is certainly waning. By they way, has anybody seen or heard from our senior leadership?

[Anonymous]

Sounds like we'll hear from soon-to-be middle management on Wednesday. Unless of course they find other jobs by then.

[Anonymous]

TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

[Anonymous]

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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If this bulletin board is so ridiculous....why are you on it????? You are not working either..so you just leave the company and leave it now. You are judgemental/ but you can't keep off of cafe pharma. Sign your name you coward!!! YOU try to be so courageous....Seems like you are part of management,,,Don't worry JNJ has to realize what an idiot you are...your time is coming.....BE rEAL...GET YOUR ASS OUT OF THE DOOR AND SELL SOMETHING! I am at Starbucks...what is your excuse

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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I thought the discussion was valuable...I wouldn't have known we are now part of primary care. I know everything isn't always truthful...but it does point out some things that are eye opening...IF you are so angry about the postings here why do you log on here, please answer that for me. I don't get on here very often but being that I have been blinsided on a lot recently...You know what cafe pharma is about, so why are you on-line if you are not trying to get dirt

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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Exactly what great discussion are you talking about

[Anonymous]

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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Kim,

You should be brushing up on cliches to use on Wednesday's teleconference. You know the ones: "I'm in this fight are you with me?" "I'm in it for the long hull" "I understand how you're all feeling..." "We all know we have a great product..." "Stick to your message" "We've lost some battles, but not the war" "talk to you KOLs..." "JnJ is a great company..." yada yada yada

You don't have time to post on here, we need you at the helm. We know its not Randy, he's to busy interviewing. And Jim, well he knows less about his future than the posters on this board know about their own.

Personally, I had a second interview today with a device company and feel pretty good about my chances of jumping off this runaway train.

A little advice for Kim before I go. Be careful of the table with one leg shorter than the other three and avoid three legged tables all together.

sincerely,

Whateveryoneisthinking

[Anonymous]

Investigators Report Findings of a Phase 2 Pilot Study Evaluating Postoperative Renal Effects in Heart Failure Patients Treated with Nesiritide
Tuesday May 9, 8:04 am ET


FREMONT, Calif., May 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Investigators reported results of a Scios Inc. sponsored pilot trial that included information about the safety of the heart failure drug nesiritide on postoperative renal function and clinical outcomes in heart failure patients who required coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery using cardiopulmonary bypass. The study findings were presented at the 7th Scientific Forum on Quality of Care and Outcomes Research in Cardiovascular Disease and Stroke meeting in Washington, D.C. Nesiritide is indicated for the intravenous treatment of patients with acutely decompensated congestive heart failure who have dyspnea at rest or with minimal activity.
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The NAPA (Nesiritide Administered Peri-Anesthesia in Patients Undergoing Cardiac Surgery) trial was a prospective, multi-center, randomized, double- blind, pilot study that included 279 randomized and treated heart failure patients from 54 centers undergoing cardiac surgery with or without mitral valve repair/replacement. In this study, patients with reduced heart pumping function who were scheduled for CABG surgery utilizing cardiopulmonary bypass were randomized to be treated with an infusion of nesiritide or placebo after induction of anesthesia in addition to usual care for 24 to 96 hours. Renal function was measured through hospital discharge or study day 14 (whichever came first). As a Phase 2 study there were no prespecified endpoints; however exploratory analyses were conducted for primary and secondary areas of interest. Patients undergoing CABG plus an aortic valve procedure were excluded from the study.

The maximum mean increase in serum creatinine (SCr) from baseline (during hospitalization or by study day 14, was 0.15+/-0.29 mg/dL in nesiritide patients compared to 0.34+/-0.48 mg/dL in placebo patients (P<0.001). This difference was even greater in patients who had some degree of renal dysfunction before surgery. The maximum decrease in glomerular filtration rate (GFR) from baseline was -10.8 mL/min/1.73 m2 in nesiritide patients compared to -17.2 mL/min/1.73 m2 in placebo patients (P=0.001).

"Renal function is a significant concern of doctors for patients undergoing heart surgery," said Dr. Hebeler, NAPA investigator from Baylor University Medical Center. "Depending on the patient population and the definitions used, as many as 25 or 30% of patients undergoing cardiac surgery have deterioration of renal function postoperatively. These trial results are important and warrant further evaluation because in this study the use of nesiritide favorably affected renal function following surgery."

Although the use of intravenous diuretic medications was similar between the two groups, urine output 24 hours after admission to an Intensive Care Unit was greater in patients receiving nesiritide than placebo (2926 mL in nesiritide patients compared to 2350 mL in placebo patients, P<0.001). Nesiritide patients also had a shorter hospital length of stay compared to the placebo group (9.1+/-6.1 days compared to 11.4+/-9.8 days, P=0.043).

"These important data provide additional information about the safety profile of nesiritide in this patient population. Scios is committed to helping heart failure patients and to continuing to conduct clinical trials with nesiritide to explore potential patient benefits," said Roger M. Mills, MD, Vice President, Medical Affairs, Scios Inc.

These results will be included in the May 30, 2006 online issue of Circulation. The NAPA investigators plan to present additional data from the study in the fall of this year.

Prospectively identified primary areas of interest that did not show statistically significant differences in this study were: use of intravenous vasoactive medications and significant changes in hemodynamics. Prospectively identified secondary areas of interest that did not show statistically significant differences in this study were: Intensive Care Unit length of stay and duration of intubation.

Oh my goodness, good news for a change!!!

[Anonymous]

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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Kim,

You should be brushing up on cliches to use on Wednesday's teleconference. You know the ones: "I'm in this fight are you with me?" "I'm in it for the long hull" "I understand how you're all feeling..." "We all know we have a great product..." "Stick to your message" "We've lost some battles, but not the war" "talk to you KOLs..." "JnJ is a great company..." yada yada yada

You don't have time to post on here, we need you at the helm. We know its not Randy, he's to busy interviewing. And Jim, well he knows less about his future than the posters on this board know about their own.

Personally, I had a second interview today with a device company and feel pretty good about my chances of jumping off this runaway train.

A little advice for Kim before I go. Be careful of the table with one leg shorter than the other three and avoid three legged tables all together.

sincerely,

Whateveryoneisthinking

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HEADSUP, EVERY-DUDE. I'M NOT KIM. I'M ONE OF YOU. IS YOUR WORLD GETTING SMALLER, DICKHEAD?

[Anonymous]

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.





BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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Kim,

You should be brushing up on cliches to use on Wednesday's teleconference. You know the ones: "I'm in this fight are you with me?" "I'm in it for the long hull" "I understand how you're all feeling..." "We all know we have a great product..." "Stick to your message" "We've lost some battles, but not the war" "talk to you KOLs..." "JnJ is a great company..." yada yada yada

You don't have time to post on here, we need you at the helm. We know its not Randy, he's to busy interviewing. And Jim, well he knows less about his future than the posters on this board know about their own.

Personally, I had a second interview today with a device company and feel pretty good about my chances of jumping off this runaway train.

A little advice for Kim before I go. Be careful of the table with one leg shorter than the other three and avoid three legged tables all together.

sincerely,

Whateveryoneisthinking

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HEADSUP, EVERY-DUDE. I'M NOT KIM. I'M ONE OF YOU. IS YOUR WORLD GETTING SMALLER, DICKHEAD?

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Nice language, do you kiss your life partner with that mouth?

[Anonymous]

[ QUOTE ]
Investigators Report Findings of a Phase 2 Pilot Study Evaluating Postoperative Renal Effects in Heart Failure Patients Treated with Nesiritide
Tuesday May 9, 8:04 am ET


FREMONT, Calif., May 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Investigators reported results of a Scios Inc. sponsored pilot trial that included information about the safety of the heart failure drug nesiritide on postoperative renal function and clinical outcomes in heart failure patients who required coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery using cardiopulmonary bypass. The study findings were presented at the 7th Scientific Forum on Quality of Care and Outcomes Research in Cardiovascular Disease and Stroke meeting in Washington, D.C. Nesiritide is indicated for the intravenous treatment of patients with acutely decompensated congestive heart failure who have dyspnea at rest or with minimal activity.
ADVERTISEMENT


The NAPA (Nesiritide Administered Peri-Anesthesia in Patients Undergoing Cardiac Surgery) trial was a prospective, multi-center, randomized, double- blind, pilot study that included 279 randomized and treated heart failure patients from 54 centers undergoing cardiac surgery with or without mitral valve repair/replacement. In this study, patients with reduced heart pumping function who were scheduled for CABG surgery utilizing cardiopulmonary bypass were randomized to be treated with an infusion of nesiritide or placebo after induction of anesthesia in addition to usual care for 24 to 96 hours. Renal function was measured through hospital discharge or study day 14 (whichever came first). As a Phase 2 study there were no prespecified endpoints; however exploratory analyses were conducted for primary and secondary areas of interest. Patients undergoing CABG plus an aortic valve procedure were excluded from the study.

The maximum mean increase in serum creatinine (SCr) from baseline (during hospitalization or by study day 14, was 0.15+/-0.29 mg/dL in nesiritide patients compared to 0.34+/-0.48 mg/dL in placebo patients (P<0.001). This difference was even greater in patients who had some degree of renal dysfunction before surgery. The maximum decrease in glomerular filtration rate (GFR) from baseline was -10.8 mL/min/1.73 m2 in nesiritide patients compared to -17.2 mL/min/1.73 m2 in placebo patients (P=0.001).

"Renal function is a significant concern of doctors for patients undergoing heart surgery," said Dr. Hebeler, NAPA investigator from Baylor University Medical Center. "Depending on the patient population and the definitions used, as many as 25 or 30% of patients undergoing cardiac surgery have deterioration of renal function postoperatively. These trial results are important and warrant further evaluation because in this study the use of nesiritide favorably affected renal function following surgery."

Although the use of intravenous diuretic medications was similar between the two groups, urine output 24 hours after admission to an Intensive Care Unit was greater in patients receiving nesiritide than placebo (2926 mL in nesiritide patients compared to 2350 mL in placebo patients, P<0.001). Nesiritide patients also had a shorter hospital length of stay compared to the placebo group (9.1+/-6.1 days compared to 11.4+/-9.8 days, P=0.043).

"These important data provide additional information about the safety profile of nesiritide in this patient population. Scios is committed to helping heart failure patients and to continuing to conduct clinical trials with nesiritide to explore potential patient benefits," said Roger M. Mills, MD, Vice President, Medical Affairs, Scios Inc.

These results will be included in the May 30, 2006 online issue of Circulation. The NAPA investigators plan to present additional data from the study in the fall of this year.

Prospectively identified primary areas of interest that did not show statistically significant differences in this study were: use of intravenous vasoactive medications and significant changes in hemodynamics. Prospectively identified secondary areas of interest that did not show statistically significant differences in this study were: Intensive Care Unit length of stay and duration of intubation.

Oh my goodness, good news for a change!!!

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Back to selling off label.

[Anonymous]

Some news sells itself!! This certainly is not the type of information that will turn this disaster around, but it is better than being told you've been promoted to Pricara, I'm in it for the long haul, Rivo will be a 5 bil blockbuster....

Intelligent MDs will make their own decisions. I can't wait to talk to a few intelligent MDs.

[Anonymous]

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Some news sells itself!! This certainly is not the type of information that will turn this disaster around, but it is better than being told you've been promoted to Pricara, I'm in it for the long haul, Rivo will be a 5 bil blockbuster....

Intelligent MDs will make their own decisions. I can't wait to talk to a few intelligent MDs.

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OFF LABEL!

Should we let Forbes, Business Week and Saul know our intentions now?

[Anonymous]

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Some news sells itself!! This certainly is not the type of information that will turn this disaster around, but it is better than being told you've been promoted to Pricara, I'm in it for the long haul, Rivo will be a 5 bil blockbuster....


Intelligent MDs will make their own decisions. I can't wait to talk to a few intelligent MDs.

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Aha! I knew we'd have a valued post at some point on this ridiculous bulletin board. Congratulations! I agree. No off label promotion will be needed. Some news does sell itself. I am happy to see your perspective - at last, a mentally healthy colleague!

[Anonymous]

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON PAGE 6 OF THIS RIDICULOUS BULLETIN BOARD:

ON MAY 8 AND/OR MAY 9, YOU CONTRIBUTED ZERO NET PRESENT VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION AND, I SUSPECT, TO SALES. NO WONDER YOU ARE HEADED FOR PRIMARY CARE.





BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT.

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Kim,

You should be brushing up on cliches to use on Wednesday's teleconference. You know the ones: "I'm in this fight are you with me?" "I'm in it for the long hull" "I understand how you're all feeling..." "We all know we have a great product..." "Stick to your message" "We've lost some battles, but not the war" "talk to you KOLs..." "JnJ is a great company..." yada yada yada

You don't have time to post on here, we need you at the helm. We know its not Randy, he's to busy interviewing. And Jim, well he knows less about his future than the posters on this board know about their own.

Personally, I had a second interview today with a device company and feel pretty good about my chances of jumping off this runaway train.

A little advice for Kim before I go. Be careful of the table with one leg shorter than the other three and avoid three legged tables all together.

sincerely,

Whateveryoneisthinking

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HEADSUP, EVERY-DUDE. I'M NOT KIM. I'M ONE OF YOU. IS YOUR WORLD GETTING SMALLER, DICKHEAD?

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Nice language, do you kiss your life partner with that mouth?

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Nice reasoning. Do you actually run your life with that logic?

[Anonymous]

Good news, OK, but in the mean time I'm about to be demoted to primary care, I can't use this data in the field (I know, I know wink wink) and vial totals are dropping. I have MDs feeling more sure than ever in their decision to shelve Natrecor. I can't see NAPA turning things around anytime soon and what do we have next for which to look forward? F-2 is a long ways off.

[Anonymous]

Great news NAPA...too late, wait till JNJ doesn't do Milton Pakers trial the way he suggested it, He will news blitz us out of the water...then comes summer...can you say 4100 vials are better than 2000!

[Anonymous]

How was the conference call? Any interesting news from the fearless leaders?

[Anonymous]

"WeeeeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, we're waiting?" --Judge Snells

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"WeeeeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, we're waiting?" --Judge Snells

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Well......all you doom and gloom folk out there? Where are you? Cat got your tongue?

Amazing how some people invent plots for events that can be explained via computer glitch.

Amazing that those who have criticized our clinical group for being non responsive don't yet see how the new org aligns all working groups within the company. Including clinical, sales and R&D.

Has anyone cracked a bottle of champagne yet? Scios is in the press again - and it is POSITIVE.

Incredible (wonderful) that this sales force is still incentivized per vial.

Still moaning about being "demoted" to primary care? I'll share my perspective with you after I collect my $3k. See 'ya.

[Anonymous]

Can't wait to update my resume to change "biotec" to "cardiovascular" primary care company.

[Anonymous]

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Can't wait to update my resume to change "biotec" to "cardiovascular" primary care company.

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Well......all you doom and gloom folk out there? Where are you? Cat got your tongue?

Amazing how some people invent plots for events that can be explained via computer glitch.

Amazing that those who have criticized our clinical group for being non responsive don't yet see how the new org aligns all working groups within the company. Including clinical, sales and R&D.

Has anyone cracked a bottle of champagne yet? Scios is in the press again - and it is POSITIVE.

Incredible (wonderful) that this sales force is still incentivized per vial.

Still moaning about being "demoted" to primary care? I'll share my perspective with you after I collect my $3k. See 'ya

[Anonymous]

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"WeeeeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, we're waiting?" --Judge Snells

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Well......all you doom and gloom folk out there? Where are you? Cat got your tongue?

Amazing how some people invent plots for events that can be explained via computer glitch.

Amazing that those who have criticized our clinical group for being non responsive don't yet see how the new org aligns all working groups within the company. Including clinical, sales and R&D.

Has anyone cracked a bottle of champagne yet? Scios is in the press again - and it is POSITIVE.

Incredible (wonderful) that this sales force is still incentivized per vial.

Still moaning about being "demoted" to primary care? I'll share my perspective with you after I collect my $3k. See 'ya.

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Please don't spend it all in one place(lol) let's wait to see JNJ com. to the clinical...prob a diff story here.....rumor is it isn't what daddy Milton wanted..

[Anonymous]

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"WeeeeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, we're waiting?" --Judge Snells

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Well......all you doom and gloom folk out there? Where are you? Cat got your tongue?

Amazing how some people invent plots for events that can be explained via computer glitch.

Amazing that those who have criticized our clinical group for being non responsive don't yet see how the new org aligns all working groups within the company. Including clinical, sales and R&D.

Has anyone cracked a bottle of champagne yet? Scios is in the press again - and it is POSITIVE.

Incredible (wonderful) that this sales force is still incentivized per vial.

Still moaning about being "demoted" to primary care? I'll share my perspective with you after I collect my $3k. See 'ya.

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Please don't spend it all in one place(lol) let's wait to see JNJ com. to the clinical...prob a diff story here.....rumor is it isn't what daddy Milton wanted..

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good point. We'll see about the clinical plan, but I think it is good that NAPA results are public and PROACTION is harmless going into the meeting jim m mentioned on the call.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like we've turned the corner, can't wait to call my broker and obtain more JnJ stock. Everything is OK now. No more Lunesta for me. How many vials last night?

[Tyree]

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OUCH. Spend the $3K wisely.

[Anonymous]

Don't let the idiots still left at Scios fool you there are still excellent opportunities. I think some of the management may be getting new positions soon modeling orange jump suits. How is DE since the sales numbers have been plummeting. I will bet he stays puckered pretty tight and chain smokes like a train.

[Anonymous]

You are right all of the really, really smart people are going to wait out the storm and stay with Scios. Hey wake up your ship has sunk and you don't even know it.

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Don't let the idiots still left at Scios fool you there are still excellent opportunities. I think some of the management may be getting new positions soon modeling orange jump suits. How is DE since the sales numbers have been plummeting. I will bet he stays puckered pretty tight and chain smokes like a train.

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What are you talking about, did you see the latest numbers? Below is a simple chart to show you how the competent management team and best salesforce money can buy has turned the corner. Trending up just as you would suspect.
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[Anonymous]

I the 3K more combat pay? Did they confirm that Scios is still part of primary care/CV on the conference call???

[Tyree]

They put in an incentive, 3K to the top 10 growth people, This is based on 6 wks (ending May15th) vs the next set of 6 wks. The next 10 (11-20) will get 1.5K. So, if you have really sucked wind and then get a few buddies to load, you can get a few extra dollars. This is NOT a combat type pay for everyone... The top 2 ABM's get 3K, the 3rd gets 1.5K.

Yes, if you look at the Org chart now, Scios is part of Primary Care, but will continue to be in the acute hospital setting. According to the powers that be...this move will streamline R&D and communication for Rivo...which will be promoted by PriCara in the offices and Scios in the hospital.

My only question is this...if the first acute indications are for Hip and Knee...why would you use your Cardio sales force and not the guys selling Orthovisc? They have the relationships with the Orthos..?? Think of the FDA looking at Rivo's launch and seeing a CV sales force launching for Ortho...maybe, just maybe they will have a fear of them selling in ACS (off label at launch). http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/crazy.gif

I have a funny feeling Rivo will not be sold by Scios till the ACS indication which comes in 09' I believe.

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They put in an incentive, 3K to the top 10 growth people, This is based on 6 wks (ending May15th) vs the next set of 6 wks. The next 10 (11-20) will get 1.5K. So, if you have really sucked wind and then get a few buddies to load, you can get a few extra dollars. This is NOT a combat type pay for everyone... The top 2 ABM's get 3K, the 3rd gets 1.5K.

Yes, if you look at the Org chart now, Scios is part of Primary Care, but will continue to be in the acute hospital setting. According to the powers that be...this move will streamline R&D and communication for Rivo...which will be promoted by PriCara in the offices and Scios in the hospital.

My only question is this...if the first acute indications are for Hip and Knee...why would you use your Cardio sales force and not the guys selling Orthovisc? They have the relationships with the Orthos..?? Think of the FDA looking at Rivo's launch and seeing a CV sales force launching for Ortho...maybe, just maybe they will have a fear of them selling in ACS (off label at launch). http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/crazy.gif

I have a funny feeling Rivo will not be sold by Scios till the ACS indication which comes in 09' I believe.

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Rivo is 3 yrs at BEST away....IF THE DRUG EVEN GETS APPROVED..there are no sure things when it comes to the FDA these days...To the person that explained the missing e-mail to a computer glich...JM and KH have WINDOWS...they received that e-mail on THURS>>>>>why didn't they just forward it to us...JM felt the need to briefley summarize it w/ no secretive intention??? Look I like KH, and lord knows how I would even manage this situation, it has TO BE HER WORST NIGHTMARE,but I find it hard to believe that w/ the low sales of Natrecor, we are just going to hang out and wait for Rivo for a couple of years..I don't believe our sales will support us and Sunnyvale. Scios R&D is gone, it went to a different operating company. If I were JNJ would I pay more for a clinical trial than what we are bringing in?

[Anonymous]

I agree with you on management. What would you say if it was your job to be leading this mess? I gues that is one benefit of being of cvs. They are trying so hard to put a positive spin on things...but ouch...we are not part of the biotech area, can they at least wait until Rivo comes comes out? I like to see the positive spin on 8 calls a day, w/ no data....boy things are all better after that conference call...unfort. I think they have lost our trust, I don't believe they will get it back

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I agree with you on management. What would you say if it was your job to be leading this mess? I gues that is one benefit of being of cvs. They are trying so hard to put a positive spin on things...but ouch...we are not part of the biotech area, can they at least wait until Rivo comes comes out? I like to see the positive spin on 8 calls a day, w/ no data....boy things are all better after that conference call...unfort. I think they have lost our trust, I don't believe they will get it back

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I don't think it's necessary to worry about which of the three businesses we are "in". By definition, Natrecor is a biotech product:

bi·o·tech·nol·o·gy
n.
1. The use of microorganisms, such as bacteria or yeasts, or biological substances, such as enzymes, to perform specific industrial or manufacturing processes. Applications include production of certain drugs, synthetic hormones, and bulk foodstuffs.
2. The application of the principles of engineering and technology to the life sciences.

As drug discovery platforms move from biochem/molecular modeling and targeting to genomics and proteomics, biotech products become more common. Oncology, infectious disease, virology, and primary care are all more likely to be promoting biotech discovered/produced drugs in the near future.

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I agree with you on management. What would you say if it was your job to be leading this mess? I gues that is one benefit of being of cvs. They are trying so hard to put a positive spin on things...but ouch...we are not part of the biotech area, can they at least wait until Rivo comes comes out? I like to see the positive spin on 8 calls a day, w/ no data....boy things are all better after that conference call...unfort. I think they have lost our trust, I don't believe they will get it back

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I don't think it's necessary to worry about which of the three businesses we are "in". By definition, Natrecor is a biotech product:

bi·o·tech·nol·o·gy
n.
1. The use of microorganisms, such as bacteria or yeasts, or biological substances, such as enzymes, to perform specific industrial or manufacturing processes. Applications include production of certain drugs, synthetic hormones, and bulk foodstuffs.
2. The application of the principles of engineering and technology to the life sciences.

As drug discovery platforms move from biochem/molecular modeling and targeting to genomics and proteomics, biotech products become more common. Oncology, infectious disease, virology, and primary care are all more likely to be promoting biotech discovered/produced drugs in the near future.

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SPINNING like a top. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif

[Anonymous]

Jesus what a nerd - what is that shit, geek - er greek?.

I think it means that biotech isn't just a divisiion for small molecule sales anymore. It's a way of makking drugs for lots of specialties.

[Anonymous]

Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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WTF does "we are biotech" mean? I hear that over and over and over, and the whole time I hear it, the "we are biotechers" are getting throttled. When you are standing in front of a physician, or marketing to that audience, "we are biotech" doesn't mean shit! It still comes down to what your product does for the patient, and the people that most effectively communicate it win. Large molecule, small molecule, big pharma, biotech. You use it as an excuse because you don't want to be held accountable. Look what that has done for you, OBI and soon Centecor. Compare that to the Genentechs and the Amgens--who are kicking our ass from here to tomorrow. They have biotech products in big pharma matrix and management. They are winning and Scios is going down the shitter. Make sure you keep repeating that "we are biotech" mantra while standing in the unemployment line.

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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WTF does "we are biotech" mean? I hear that over and over and over, and the whole time I hear it, the "we are biotechers" are getting throttled. When you are standing in front of a physician, or marketing to that audience, "we are biotech" doesn't mean shit! It still comes down to what your product does for the patient, and the people that most effectively communicate it win. Large molecule, small molecule, big pharma, biotech. You use it as an excuse because you don't want to be held accountable. Look what that has done for you, OBI and soon Centecor. Compare that to the Genentechs and the Amgens--who are kicking our ass from here to tomorrow. They have biotech products in big pharma matrix and management. They are winning and Scios is going down the shitter. Make sure you keep repeating that "we are biotech" mantra while standing in the unemployment line.

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AMEN. "we are biotech" simply means you've been part of an industry where more companies fail than succeed. Why? DISCIPLINE. In research and in marketing and in sales.

Some argue that the structure of the 3 "new" JNJ businesses provides a framework for such discipline.

The "we are biotech" mantra is old, stale, and obsolete. enough already

[Anonymous]

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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WTF does "we are biotech" mean? I hear that over and over and over, and the whole time I hear it, the "we are biotechers" are getting throttled. When you are standing in front of a physician, or marketing to that audience, "we are biotech" doesn't mean shit! It still comes down to what your product does for the patient, and the people that most effectively communicate it win. Large molecule, small molecule, big pharma, biotech. You use it as an excuse because you don't want to be held accountable. Look what that has done for you, OBI and soon Centecor. Compare that to the Genentechs and the Amgens--who are kicking our ass from here to tomorrow. They have biotech products in big pharma matrix and management. They are winning and Scios is going down the shitter. Make sure you keep repeating that "we are biotech" mantra while standing in the unemployment line.

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I think we are on the same side...I mean the reps not the company are biotech....The JNJ mind set kills everything. Amgen Genentech are sort of run like big pharma...you are right....but their marketing and leadership makes sure the products are reinvested in them and do research to make sure clinically they stay a head of the game...something jnj doesn't like to do. Scios is a flop, not because of its sales force. Centocor and procrit are in similiar sit. to us...they aren't losing market share...but they aren't growing either. If jnj doesn't invest clinically in the products they have the whole comp will be a dinosaur before we know it

[Anonymous]

cc do you ever get sick of monitoring this site

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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WTF does "we are biotech" mean? I hear that over and over and over, and the whole time I hear it, the "we are biotechers" are getting throttled. When you are standing in front of a physician, or marketing to that audience, "we are biotech" doesn't mean shit! It still comes down to what your product does for the patient, and the people that most effectively communicate it win. Large molecule, small molecule, big pharma, biotech. You use it as an excuse because you don't want to be held accountable. Look what that has done for you, OBI and soon Centecor. Compare that to the Genentechs and the Amgens--who are kicking our ass from here to tomorrow. They have biotech products in big pharma matrix and management. They are winning and Scios is going down the shitter. Make sure you keep repeating that "we are biotech" mantra while standing in the unemployment line.

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AMEN. "we are biotech" simply means you've been part of an industry where more companies fail than succeed. Why? DISCIPLINE. In research and in marketing and in sales.

Some argue that the structure of the 3 "new" JNJ businesses provides a framework for such discipline.

The "we are biotech" mantra is old, stale, and obsolete. enough already

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Wow! Are you reading what you're typing? A year ago, Scios people would never have imagined themselves dissecting the term biotech on a website that is essentially a big pharma daycare. Go add some proof to the koolaid you're throwing back and update the resume. Scios reps are better than this crap, after reading some of this dribble, well I hope its only a couple of people. This is sad. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

[Anonymous]

Can you say no stockoptions, no ESP, no bonus...say welcome to jnj...uh primary care

[Anonymous]

Thanks Tyree! We all appreciate your incite into this issue! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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WTF does "we are biotech" mean? I hear that over and over and over, and the whole time I hear it, the "we are biotechers" are getting throttled. When you are standing in front of a physician, or marketing to that audience, "we are biotech" doesn't mean shit! It still comes down to what your product does for the patient, and the people that most effectively communicate it win. Large molecule, small molecule, big pharma, biotech. You use it as an excuse because you don't want to be held accountable. Look what that has done for you, OBI and soon Centecor. Compare that to the Genentechs and the Amgens--who are kicking our ass from here to tomorrow. They have biotech products in big pharma matrix and management. They are winning and Scios is going down the shitter. Make sure you keep repeating that "we are biotech" mantra while standing in the unemployment line.

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AMEN. "we are biotech" simply means you've been part of an industry where more companies fail than succeed. Why? DISCIPLINE. In research and in marketing and in sales.

Some argue that the structure of the 3 "new" JNJ businesses provides a framework for such discipline.

The "we are biotech" mantra is old, stale, and obsolete. enough already

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Wow! Are you reading what you're typing? A year ago, Scios people would never have imagined themselves dissecting the term biotech on a website that is essentially a big pharma daycare. Go add some proof to the koolaid you're throwing back and update the resume. Scios reps are better than this crap, after reading some of this dribble, well I hope its only a couple of people. This is sad. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

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A year ago we were in the business of delivering bad news to practicing physicians. Defensive.

The term biotech is narrowly defined here, by a unfortunately narrow minded group (pseudo group?) of employees.

The industry (including big pharma) is looking at the applications of biotechnology as I defined earlier. Just because participants in this discussion object to it doesn't mean it's not occurring. Biotech or pharma, we still have to sell our drug to a receptive audience. Offensive.

No kool aid here - if JNJ doesn't make the model work, they'll lose reputable CVSs.

Apparently, some Scios employees would rather debate this "dribble" than get to work and realize that the biotechnology industry - through acquisitions, in-licensing, technology co-ops, etc. - is redefining itself. Know your shit and go to work is the mantra that will keep you employed.

I am indeed reading what I type. Business models are changing. Pharma is acquiring and inlicensing hi-tech/hi invenstment products. And they need a sales force willing to defy stereotypes and WORk to gain return on thos investments.

Are you saying that Scios reps are too good to change and adapt? If so, the Theory of Natural Selection will get you pretty soon. "We are Biotech" is a philosophy that doesn't really differentiate you as a sales representative at this point.

[Anonymous]

A year ago we were in the business of delivering bad news to practicing physicians. Defensive.

The term biotech is narrowly defined here, by a unfortunately narrow minded group (pseudo group?) of employees.

The industry (including big pharma) is looking at the applications of biotechnology as I defined earlier. Just because participants in this discussion object to it doesn't mean it's not occurring. Biotech or pharma, we still have to sell our drug to a receptive audience. Offensive.

No kool aid here - if JNJ doesn't make the model work, they'll lose reputable CVSs.

Apparently, some Scios employees would rather debate this "dribble" than get to work and realize that the biotechnology industry - through acquisitions, in-licensing, technology co-ops, etc. - is redefining itself. Know your shit and go to work is the mantra that will keep you employed.

I am indeed reading what I type. Business models are changing. Pharma is acquiring and inlicensing hi-tech/hi invenstment products. And they need a sales force willing to defy stereotypes and WORk to gain return on thos investments.

Are you saying that Scios reps are too good to change and adapt? If so, the Theory of Natural Selection will get you pretty soon. "We are Biotech" is a philosophy that doesn't really differentiate you as a sales representative at this point.
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Contriving the above serenade is one way to spend a Thursday night. Your ability to over analyze, tells me you're a woman and judging from your time at this sight, a lonely one at that.

So hurry up sister, get with big Pharma now, 'cause it will take some time for your over inflated Scios salary to return from the pay grade you'll be hired at. And I hope you invested at least $6K of the 'never to be seen again in pharma sales commission' on a nice rack. If you didn't you can spend the $3K you boasted about on your earlier posting on at least one done now and install the other when some more combat pay arrives. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

[Anonymous]

I have to laugh at all the self -rightous people that mak fun of people on this site...YOU ARE ON IT TOO! But biotech isn't gone..can you say genzyme, myogen, encysive, insamed(however spelled) they our out there. I'd rather work for a great company for only a year with the potential stock options upside..then die on the vine in a primary care company. JNJ will see without the good reps their new products will fail...no way primary care will be able to handle all the challenges that a new anti-coagulant will throw them...you need to think out of the box...so friends, hang in there, keep interviewing, the right job is just around the corner. JNJ moves so slow they have a lot of layers to dissolve before they get to us...by then something good should be available...to the "mantra" women(cc) don't kid yourself even your bosses are looking for other opportunities...this is not a company anyone plans on spending a lifetime at, just a stop until a better(well i guess now our standards have been lowered) gig comes by. How do you think you stole us away to come to scios????

[Anonymous]

I need a new rack...can someone send me $3k I may look a little silly w/ only one!

[Anonymous]

Anyone excited about the $3K enticement is already a boob.

[Anonymous]

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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Looks like you and nearly everyone who posted after you did are:

seasoned (cynical and negative)

highly scientific (rack/boobs/insulting someone you've assumed to be a woman - VERY scientific)

entrepreneur like - well, yes I suppose you are. Suggesting 1/2 a rack is pretty creative. Stupid, but creative.

Does insulting your fellow CVSs make you extra special in the biotech world? Extra marketable? If so, hear this:

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT, DICKHEAD.

[Anonymous]

Look, for all the management that continues to post on this board listen up...let's see how great scios is, say a great new start-up came by needing 100 reps....if the offer was fair ALL would be gone. The above writer was correct.....HOW DO YOU THINK YOU GOT US AT SCIOS. The only reason you have been able to retain the people you have...is no new opportunity. Hey CC just because we are interviewing doesn't mean we are not working...just because we tell the truth doesn't mean we still can't sell....give us more credit than that.

[Anonymous]

I am a female 3k for a rack...its funny. No need to loose your sense of humor. Reality check, KH with the massive bonus checks we have received in the past....can you be that delusional to think that 3K is the ultimate reward....after taxes it is nothing....its pathetic...think about it...would you hire someone is their quaterly goal was to make 3k...no you want the person that will strive for the stars...o

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Biotech is also known to have a culture of Highly scientific and seasoned reps...known for entrepreneur like environment...not a group reporting in to a president that only knows how to judge success...by how many calls were done that day, lets face it NONE of us are JNJ..we are biotech, and there is a difference.

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Looks like you and nearly everyone who posted after you did are:

seasoned (cynical and negative)

highly scientific (rack/boobs/insulting someone you've assumed to be a woman - VERY scientific)

entrepreneur like - well, yes I suppose you are. Suggesting 1/2 a rack is pretty creative. Stupid, but creative.

Does insulting your fellow CVSs make you extra special in the biotech world? Extra marketable? If so, hear this:

BE HERE FOR REAL OR GET OUT, DICKHEAD.

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I I Capn Koolaid. Now be real and go hold the table so your 1st Mate doesn't fall off on to her dwindling believers.

[Anonymous]

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Some news sells itself!! This certainly is not the type of information that will turn this disaster around, but it is better than being told you've been promoted to Pricara, I'm in it for the long haul, Rivo will be a 5 bil blockbuster....


Intelligent MDs will make their own decisions. I can't wait to talk to a few intelligent MDs.

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Aha! I knew we'd have a valued post at some point on this ridiculous bulletin board. Congratulations! I agree. No off label promotion will be needed. Some news does sell itself. I am happy to see your perspective - at last, a mentally healthy colleague!

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Not needed, so you did it before. As far as this data it is not enought to change anything. It is 3 years too late. How can KH say are you in the fight when our jobs were decided by an outside company. Number one ranked reps let go, hmm maybe because they did not look like kim or randy. We could br next why would we want to go to work. My manager asked me the other day how I got such a good tan. KH I will call into the conf call on Wed hit the mute button and relax while preparing for a big interview on Thursday. Good luck with your job search. It must be like trying to kiss someone with herpes on your lip. Who would want to hire kh or Randy the limp dick.

[Anonymous]

I have never been impressed by the leadership here at Scios. Randy would not even leave the office to meet the customers and was two timing his bitches at Scios JN with the crack hooker in SF. Can't wait to see his face on the news. Kim don't worry you will look good in orange and the you will love the residents at camp. DE don't bend over in the shower.

[Anonymous]

"Of all the anti-social vested interests the worst is the vested interest in ill-health." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

[Anonymous]

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"Of all the anti-social vested interests the worst is the vested interest in ill-health." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

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Thank you Dr. Kevorkian, we are now complete. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif

[Anonymous]

Out of plain curiosity who were RStl bitches...initials only...CE has to be one of them

[Anonymous]

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Out of plain curiosity who were RStl bitches...initials only...CE has to be one of them

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jn

[Anonymous]

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KH is interviewing at a company called MGI. the NA blonde was telling everyone, I thought she said she was in for the fight...

[Anonymous]

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KH is interviewing at a company called MGI. the NA blonde was telling everyone, I thought she said she was in for the fight...

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She is in for a fight, there are several RBMs and RSTL vying for the same jobs. Of course she's a good EEOC hire for someone looking for compliance points.

[Tyree]

OrthoBiotec just listed an RBD position (hospital)...maybe one of them will go their?

IMHO!

[Anonymous]

Hey Tyree!

This sounds like the perfect job for someone of your level of knowledge (bullshit)! Go for it babe! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

[Anonymous]

Fuck Scios!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Fuck Scios!!!!!!!

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We're about to.

Sincerely,

The Feds

[Anonymous]

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KH is interviewing at a company called MGI. the NA blonde was telling everyone, I thought she said she was in for the fight...

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come on if you don't know and you worked at Scios you must be blinf and deaf. My manager told be that was why she was pronoted to director and my RBD even acknowledged it one night at a district meeting. We were all laughing about it. It seems the joke was on me since everyone knew. Now I feel better that you did not know either....

[Anonymous]

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Out of plain curiosity who were RStl bitches...initials only...CE has to be one of them

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jn

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come on if you don't know and you worked at Scios you must be blinf and deaf. My manager told be that was why she was pronoted to director and my RBD even acknowledged it one night at a district meeting. We were all laughing about it. It seems the joke was on me since everyone knew. Now I feel better that you did not know either....

[Anonymous]

does anyone know who Mike Moore has on camera at a dinner lecture talking off label. I heard it is a chick in the NE.

[Anonymous]

Nesiritide appears renoprotective in chronic-HF patients undergoing CABG

May 12, 2006 Steve Stiles

Washington, DC - Perioperative infusion of nesiritide (Natrecor, Scios) apparently averted kidney damage in patients with chronic heart failure, especially those already with impaired renal function, who underwent on-pump coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery in a randomized, placebo-controlled safety study [1]. As compared with controls, those who received the synthetic brain-type natriuretic peptide, labeled for the relief of dyspnea in patients with acute decompensated HF, also spent less time hospitalized.

As many as a quarter or more of patients undergoing surgery with cardiopulmonary bypass (CPB) develop postoperative renal dysfunction, which can be life threatening, observes Dr Robert F Hebeler, Jr (Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas, TX). Nesiritide's potential for lessening the damage "would be big in terms of patient care," he told heartwire. And the reduced hospitalization time, he added, "certainly bodes well for cost-effectiveness."

In the trial, called Nesiritide Administered Peri-Anesthesia in Patients Undergoing Cardiac Surgery (NAPA), nesiritide was associated with a significantly reduced rate of postoperative renal dysfunction, defined as elevations in serum creatinine (SCr) >0.5 mg/dL. Improvements in glomerular filtration rate (GFR) and urine output were also observed.

Mean changes* in SCr and GFR by treatment group and baseline renal function


End point
Nesiritide
Placebo
p

Peak SCr increase (mg/dL)

All available subjects
0.15 (n=133)
0.34 (n=133)
<0.001

Subjects with baseline SCr >1.2 mg/dL
0.02 (n=29)
0.48 (n=33)
0.001

Maximum decrease in GFR (mL/min/1.73 m2)

All available subjects
-10.8 (n=133)
-17.2 (n=133)
0.001

Subjects with baseline SCr >1.2 mg/dL
-0.2 (n=29)
-9.1 (n=33)
0.003




*Through discharge or hospital day 14, whichever came first. SCr=serum creatinine, GFR=glomerular filtration rate

Hebeler reported the findings here at the 7th Scientific Forum on Quality of Care and Outcomes Research in Cardiovascular Disease and Stroke sponsored by the American Heart Association. The trial's 30-day safety results are scheduled for online publication in Circulation on May 30, 2006. He said the patients' 180-day clinical outcomes would be presented at a future date.

The trial randomized 303 patients with LV dysfunction and NYHA class 2-4 HF at 54 centers who were undergoing CPB-supported CABG with or without a mitral-valve procedure to receive nesiritide, initiated during anesthesia, at 0.01 µg/kg per minute for 24 to 96 hours. The safety analysis ultimately consisted of 279 patients. Patients in the two arms were treated with diuretics to about the same degree.

Postoperative measures of renal function and urine output by treatment group


Parameter
Nesiritide
Placebo
p

Urine output, 1st 24 hours (mL)
2926
2350
<0.001

Postoperative SCr increase >0.5 mg/dL (%)
7
23
<0.001

Length of hospital stay (d)
9.1
11.4
0.043




SCr=serum creatinine

To download tables as slides, click on slide logo below

Although randomized studies of nesiritide in acute HF have been rare, the authors of observational and dose-finding studies in that clinical setting have generally concluded that the drug either improves or at least has little effect on kidney function, while reducing the need for conventional diuretics. There is some rationale for hoping the drug is renoprotective in some cardiac surgical patients, according to Hebeler. Such surgery with cardioplegia and CPB support "generates neurohormonal changes that are very much like acute heart failure." That physiologic reaction might potentially worsen HF in a patient already with poor LV function, he noted.

As extensively reported by heartwire, there remains a high-profile controversy as to whether other interpretations of the same data suggest the drug may cause substantial harm. After the NAPA study enrolled its last patient, according to Hebeler, a combined analysis of nesiritide studies in acute HF suggested that the drug elevates SCr and so might be renotoxic [2]. The study's authors subsequently reported a similar analysis that hinted at a possible worsening of 30-day mortality [3]. Some scoffed at both allegations, some accepted them as possibilities, many called for further research to explore the issue, and a few questioned whether nesiritide should remain on the market [4].

Hebeler observed that nesiritide at high dosages may have been associated with elevated SCr, but not when infusions were given according to the now-standard regimen, which was used in NAPA. The study, he said, shows that "at the recommended doses, not only is there not a significant deterioration [in renal function], but there's actually some protection." And as a randomized, placebo-controlled trial, according to the surgeon, NAPA "really does accurately reflect the effect of the drug in a much cleaner way than has been done before."




Any comments from Stehpanie or Jonathan??

[Anonymous]

Funny, I heard it was a couple guys.

[Anonymous]

Whose CE? Question re: JN ... is this a typo for J. Mitchell or J Nappi? I thought JN was well respected within Scios... given that she is the Director of National Accounts. Please tell me me she did not screw RSTL for the job. I know her hubby stays at home with the kids as a "kept man" , but what's up?

Scoop Please? Speaking of ass kissers... where is Dean Napoli?

[Anonymous]

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Whose CE? Question re: JN ... is this a typo for J. Mitchell or J Nappi? I thought JN was well respected within Scios... given that she is the Director of National Accounts. Please tell me me she did not screw RSTL for the job. I know her hubby stays at home with the kids as a "kept man" , but what's up?

Scoop Please? Speaking of ass kissers... where is Dean Napoli?

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[Anonymous]

I've been contacted to interview for a scios position. I can't make heads or tails out of this post, so could someone enlighten me on the company? Currently selling CV Meds to primary care and looking for something better. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Selling a drug such as Natrecor to hospitals is a lot better than peddling me-too ACEI's,BB's, however, this drug has gone through a lot and will require a strong, persistent, confident, ethical person to perservere through the B.S. that has been thrown out there by the media. Do your homework on your proposed territory....that should help answer your questions.

[Anonymous]

You must be a complete idiot to consider taking this opportunity. Scios just laid off 50% of their sales force..get a life, and do some homework.

[Anonymous]

Was shocked to see Scios hiring..checked the J&J website..9 openings within Scios. Yikes. The ones who survived the layoff are finding better opportunities. Good for them!

[Anonymous]

To the newbie trying to get into biotech here at Scios... think again and get a clue! I doubt seriously that you could, "cut the mustard" (to coin our "leader's" favorite phrase). My advice is to cut your teeth at another company that isn't :
1.) circle-ing the drain and 2.) run by a bunch of left coast, immoral, self aggrandizing, short-sighted incompetents that have absolutely ruined this company. Stay with detailing CV Meds to Primary Care docs- that is all Scios is going to be, if we manage to stay afloat, in the not so distant future. If you want more information, call "1800 ask an idiot" or go to www.unethicalbiotech.com. (http://www.unethicalbiotech.com.) Those of us that were not laid off in February are wishing we were, and anyone with a brain is looking to jump ship. Even our useless leaders (still not sure where their brains have been- perhaps shoved up their a**?) are interviewing; to no avail, as the biotech community knows their incompetencies and considers them damaged goods. Good Luck, Newbie and may Scios and Natrecor Rest in Peace. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

[Anonymous]

Spot on. Scios Sucks. RUN, RUN, RUN! Hey DE, How is your Gulf Coast Weasle sucking RSTL ass kissing, chain smoking, chain drinking doing now? Are you nervous about the orange suit? I hear you'll need to get a boyfriend to protect you in the slammer. May and all your cronies go straight to hell, you ignorant, self-serving, narrow glassed, red faced, close to balled idiot. Get a Life!

[Anonymous]

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Spot on. Scios Sucks. RUN, RUN, RUN! Hey DE, How is your Gulf Coast Weasle sucking RSTL ass kissing, chain smoking, chain drinking doing now? Are you nervous about the orange suit? I hear you'll need to get a boyfriend to protect you in the slammer. May and all your cronies go straight to hell, you ignorant, self-serving, narrow glassed, red faced, close to balled idiot. Get a Life!

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For those who wish to slander others using the "anonymous" nom de plume on CafePharma, consider the following excerpt from The Chronicle (if you are literate enough to read and understand it). hint: THIS MEANS YOU MAY NOT IN FACT BE ANONYMOUS. IS YOUR WORLD GETTING SMALLER? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/ooo.gif

Highlights from: COURT BATTLE OVER PRIVACY IN CHAT ROOMS: NET GROUPS TRY TO STOP COMPANIES THAT WANT IDENTITIES OF DETRACTORS

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, February 8, 2001


Internet privacy advocates are asking a federal court in San Jose to preserve the right to denounce businesses anonymously online.

The forum in dispute is an electronic chat room, one of many created by Internet service providers to let subscribers vent their feelings about a particular business without giving their names.

THE CHAT ROOMS HAVE BEEN MET BY A FLOCK OF SUBPOENAS FROM THE TARGETED COMPANIES OR THEIR EXECUTIVES, ASKING ISPS FOR IDENTITIES OF PEOPLE WHO POSTED ALLEGEDLY FALSE OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.

"If somebody has done something illegal, you should be able to get their name," Gelman said. "You don't have a right to libel anonymously."

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If you want to urge others to be cautious, well, how charitable of you. If you slander others in the process, you may be identified sooner than you think. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

[Anonymous]

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I've been contacted to interview for a scios position. I can't make heads or tails out of this post, so could someone enlighten me on the company? Currently selling CV Meds to primary care and looking for something better. Thanks.

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Don't let the naysayers fool you, pal. Scios and Natrecor are not in a strong position at present, but if you have a work ethic and can ignore the cretins on this board, you could gain valuable experience and build your skillset at Scios.

Don't base your decision on responses from this board alone. Consider every angle, including that of Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer:

Thursday, February 8, 2001


Internet privacy advocates are asking a federal court in San Jose to preserve the right to denounce businesses anonymously online.

The forum in dispute is an electronic chat room, one of many created by Internet service providers to let subscribers vent their feelings about a particular business without giving their names.

THE CHAT ROOMS HAVE BEEN MET BY A FLOCK OF SUBPOENAS FROM THE TARGETED COMPANIES OR THEIR EXECUTIVES, ASKING ISPS FOR IDENTITIES OF PEOPLE WHO POSTED ALLEGEDLY FALSE OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.

"If somebody has done something illegal, you should be able to get their name," Gelman said. "You don't have a right to libel anonymously."

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[Anonymous]

Well put...Scios/Natrecor has a bright future ahead with the completion of current and proposed clinical trials; there will be new data reinforcing why more patients deserve to receive Natrecor.

[Anonymous]

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Spot on. Scios Sucks. RUN, RUN, RUN! Hey DE, How is your Gulf Coast Weasle sucking RSTL ass kissing, chain smoking, chain drinking doing now? Are you nervous about the orange suit? I hear you'll need to get a boyfriend to protect you in the slammer. May and all your cronies go straight to hell, you ignorant, self-serving, narrow glassed, red faced, close to balled idiot. Get a Life!

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______________________
For those who wish to slander others using the "anonymous" nom de plume on CafePharma, consider the following excerpt from The Chronicle (if you are literate enough to read and understand it). hint: THIS MEANS YOU MAY NOT IN FACT BE ANONYMOUS. IS YOUR WORLD GETTING SMALLER? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/ooo.gif

Highlights from: COURT BATTLE OVER PRIVACY IN CHAT ROOMS: NET GROUPS TRY TO STOP COMPANIES THAT WANT IDENTITIES OF DETRACTORS

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, February 8, 2001


Internet privacy advocates are asking a federal court in San Jose to preserve the right to denounce businesses anonymously online.

The forum in dispute is an electronic chat room, one of many created by Internet service providers to let subscribers vent their feelings about a particular business without giving their names.

THE CHAT ROOMS HAVE BEEN MET BY A FLOCK OF SUBPOENAS FROM THE TARGETED COMPANIES OR THEIR EXECUTIVES, ASKING ISPS FOR IDENTITIES OF PEOPLE WHO POSTED ALLEGEDLY FALSE OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.

"If somebody has done something illegal, you should be able to get their name," Gelman said. "You don't have a right to libel anonymously."

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If you want to urge others to be cautious, well, how charitable of you. If you slander others in the process, you may be identified sooner than you think. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

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Ditto...NOTE the article was written in 2001....freedom of speech...we are protected unless we say something stupid like we are breaking the law..... the feds can get our info you can't.

[Anonymous]

I must admit I view this site but have never entered an entry...but I do find it ironic that there were no posts during the managers meeting in chicago...funny the management team got back thurs and the chatting has started up again...this may make one think management isn't as confident or positive as we might think......Management couldn't interact on their work computer.....think about it could this just be a coincidence...i doubt it...not much posted the 16th 17 th and 18th.....hmmmmmmm

[Anonymous]

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I must admit I view this site but have never entered an entry...but I do find it ironic that there were no posts during the managers meeting in chicago...funny the management team got back thurs and the chatting has started up again...this may make one think management isn't as confident or positive as we might think......Management couldn't interact on their work computer.....think about it could this just be a coincidence...i doubt it...not much posted the 16th 17 th and 18th.....hmmmmmmm

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Your right!!! only a couple of posts none during business time on the 16th absolutely NONE on the 17th(MUST HAVE BEEN A BUSY DAY). THE 18th...none until late afternoon and evening...that is so funny. Well the good news is ....management the reps ARE working...bad news...home office and management levelare stirring up the pot...what is the matter...KH and RSTL didn't promote you!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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I must admit I view this site but have never entered an entry...but I do find it ironic that there were no posts during the managers meeting in chicago...funny the management team got back thurs and the chatting has started up again...this may make one think management isn't as confident or positive as we might think......Management couldn't interact on their work computer.....think about it could this just be a coincidence...i doubt it...not much posted the 16th 17 th and 18th.....hmmmmmmm

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Your right!!! only a couple of posts none during business time on the 16th absolutely NONE on the 17th(MUST HAVE BEEN A BUSY DAY). THE 18th...none until late afternoon and evening...that is so funny. Well the good news is ....management the reps ARE working...bad news...home office and management levelare stirring up the pot...what is the matter...KH and RSTL didn't promote you!!!!!!

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How pathetic for them to send us a 2001 article directll from the managers meeting... How we know this was staged from mangement????? No one in their right mind would ask if scios is hiring...most people are impressed when they find out we are still a sales force

[Anonymous]

I bet they are soo pathetic those with NO social life ie...CC (these posts scream her verbage) probably volunteered to watch these posts closley. Your candor is safe...it has been for years...and it drives THEM crazy..now don't get me wrong...if you brag about stealing company property or doing illegal acts..your guess is as good as mine ..they'll find you....that is what this 2001 artcle is about...but for telling the truth????? I would love to see some of you defending yourself...so go a head confront us in court by what you are reading..I think your spouses would love to hear the discovery process...in fact it would be entertaining...I AM not afraid of your idle threats...you leaders need to ignore this board if its so worthless... The .Truth must be coming out because you all are worrying what is on here....you can tell by the dates missing on this chat board while you were away....REPS RULE

[Anonymous]

Probably not a good idea for the Blonde to be sharing KH's interviewing activities....?

[Anonymous]

Okay, so why do we even have National Accounts?

[Anonymous]

You can certainly tell that the timber of panic from the voices of "management" has turned into a plea for mercy. Can you imagine trying to supress free expression to prevent anyone from talking about the very real troubles that face scios? I could care less who slept with who, but who just got asked to talk to the laywers (either JnJ's or the Feds) has some interest to me. Natrecor has the potential to benefit hundreds of thousands of patients, but under the current regime it will only continue to be a sea of red ink for JnJ, and a soap opera for all those enjoying the ride to ruin. If scios is going to spend money on legal fees, it certainly will not be prosectuing posters on some web site, it will be for defense teams trying to keep senior management out of jail, and JnJ from paying one of the largest fines ever paid by pharma (or should I say biotech". Tap/Abbott split 875 million...do you think scios "can raise the bar"?

[Anonymous]

In October 2001, TAP Pharmaceutical Products Inc. agreed to pay $875 million to resolve criminal charges and civil liabilities in connection with fraudulent drug pricing and marketing of Lupron, a drug sold for the treatment of prostate cancer. Of this amount, $559,483,560 was recovered under the False Claims Act. In addition, TAP pled guilty to a conspiracy to violate the Prescription Drug Marketing Act and paid a $290 million criminal fine, the largest criminal fine ever in a health care fraud prosecution.

[Anonymous]

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You can certainly tell that the timber of panic from the voices of "management" has turned into a plea for mercy. Can you imagine trying to supress free expression to prevent anyone from talking about the very real troubles that face scios? I could care less who slept with who, but who just got asked to talk to the laywers (either JnJ's or the Feds) has some interest to me. Natrecor has the potential to benefit hundreds of thousands of patients, but under the current regime it will only continue to be a sea of red ink for JnJ, and a soap opera for all those enjoying the ride to ruin. If scios is going to spend money on legal fees, it certainly will not be prosectuing posters on some web site, it will be for defense teams trying to keep senior management out of jail, and JnJ from paying one of the largest fines ever paid by pharma (or should I say biotech". Tap/Abbott split 875 million...do you think scios "can raise the bar"?

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Excellent Observation. Interesting analagy. It certainly makes you think...

[Anonymous]

speculate, speculate, speculate.

[Anonymous]

http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/Bristol-Myers_drops_effective_diabetes_drug.shtml

Another drug with potential to help patients dies on the vine. Congratulation to Nissen et al for putting the patient first.

[tkrip2z]

How pathetic for them to send us a 2001 article directll from the managers meeting... How we know this was staged from mangement????? No one in their right mind would ask if scios is hiring...most people are impressed when they find out we are still a sales force

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Parece que poco se ha cambiado ya que duro visitado. La mayor parte de los postes aquí todavía parecen ser pequeños, pequeños dispuesto, y extraordinariamente inculto.

Ya que estoy seguro que usted verá este poste en mi lengua materna con la indiferencia parcial, compartiré lo siguiente en el suyo (aunque usted generalmente destroce su inglés natal tan consecuentemente como usted hace su propia profesión).

Compruebe este:

Do people who post on this board actually influence prescribing behavior of trained clinicians?

The Scios board is not much different from others, but based on your posts (anonymous or not) it seems you operate with a total lack of professionalism.

How do you feel about clinicians viewing this ridiculous exchange of insults and threats? How could anyone who sees this trash trust ANY INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVE to provide accurate information?

Case in point:

Academic Psychiatry 29:222-229, June 2005
© 2005 Academic Psychiatry

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Perspective

The Role of the Pharmaceutical Industry in Teaching Psychopharmacology: A Growing Problem
Amy C. Brodkey, M.D.
Dr. Brodkey is Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Address correspondence to Dr. Brodkey, brodkeya@verizon.net (E-mail). Copyright © 2005 Academic Psychiatry.

OBJECTIVE: To describe and examine the role of the pharmaceutical industry in the teaching of psychopharmacology to residents and medical students and to make recommendations for changes in curriculum and policy based on these findings. METHODS: Literature reviews and discussions with experts, educators, and trainees. RESULTS: The pharmaceutical industry currently plays an extensive role in teaching psychopharmacology to trainees, both directly and indirectly. Attendance at industry-sponsored lectures and drug lunches, meetings with pharmaceutical representatives, and interactions involving the acceptance of various gifts are the most obvious venues. Less apparent but equally pervasive are the influence of industry-sponsored faculty and research and industry’s effect on the climate of practice and the profession as a whole. Replacing medical education with industry promotion in the guise of scholarship causes demonstrable harm to trainees, the public, and the profession. CONCLUSIONS: In light of these findings, the medical profession must reassert control of medical education and draw a firm barrier between commercial and professional pursuits. These issues must be actively, explicitly, and rigorously discussed with our colleagues and students.
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Adiós por el momento!

[Anonymous]

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How pathetic for them to send us a 2001 article directll from the managers meeting... How we know this was staged from mangement????? No one in their right mind would ask if scios is hiring...most people are impressed when they find out we are still a sales force

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Parece que poco se ha cambiado ya que duro visitado. La mayor parte de los postes aquí todavía parecen ser pequeños, pequeños dispuesto, y extraordinariamente inculto.

Ya que estoy seguro que usted verá este poste en mi lengua materna con la indiferencia parcial, compartiré lo siguiente en el suyo (aunque usted generalmente destroce su inglés natal tan consecuentemente como usted hace su propia profesión).

Compruebe este:

Do people who post on this board actually influence prescribing behavior of trained clinicians?

The Scios board is not much different from others, but based on your posts (anonymous or not) it seems you operate with a total lack of professionalism.

How do you feel about clinicians viewing this ridiculous exchange of insults and threats? How could anyone who sees this trash trust ANY INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVE to provide accurate information?

Case in point:

Academic Psychiatry 29:222-229, June 2005
© 2005 Academic Psychiatry

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Perspective

The Role of the Pharmaceutical Industry in Teaching Psychopharmacology: A Growing Problem
Amy C. Brodkey, M.D.
Dr. Brodkey is Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Address correspondence to Dr. Brodkey, brodkeya@verizon.net (E-mail). Copyright © 2005 Academic Psychiatry.

OBJECTIVE: To describe and examine the role of the pharmaceutical industry in the teaching of psychopharmacology to residents and medical students and to make recommendations for changes in curriculum and policy based on these findings. METHODS: Literature reviews and discussions with experts, educators, and trainees. RESULTS: The pharmaceutical industry currently plays an extensive role in teaching psychopharmacology to trainees, both directly and indirectly. Attendance at industry-sponsored lectures and drug lunches, meetings with pharmaceutical representatives, and interactions involving the acceptance of various gifts are the most obvious venues. Less apparent but equally pervasive are the influence of industry-sponsored faculty and research and industry’s effect on the climate of practice and the profession as a whole. Replacing medical education with industry promotion in the guise of scholarship causes demonstrable harm to trainees, the public, and the profession. CONCLUSIONS: In light of these findings, the medical profession must reassert control of medical education and draw a firm barrier between commercial and professional pursuits. These issues must be actively, explicitly, and rigorously discussed with our colleagues and students.
_____________________________________

Adiós por el momento!

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You are assuming Scios reps are out working. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/crazy.gif

[Anonymous]

[ QUOTE ]
How pathetic for them to send us a 2001 article directll from the managers meeting... How we know this was staged from mangement????? No one in their right mind would ask if scios is hiring...most people are impressed when they find out we are still a sales force

[/ QUOTE ]

Parece que poco se ha cambiado ya que duro visitado. La mayor parte de los postes aquí todavía parecen ser pequeños, pequeños dispuesto, y extraordinariamente inculto.

Ya que estoy seguro que usted verá este poste en mi lengua materna con la indiferencia parcial, compartiré lo siguiente en el suyo (aunque usted generalmente destroce su inglés natal tan consecuentemente como usted hace su propia profesión).

Compruebe este:

Do people who post on this board actually influence prescribing behavior of trained clinicians?

The Scios board is not much different from others, but based on your posts (anonymous or not) it seems you operate with a total lack of professionalism.

How do you feel about clinicians viewing this ridiculous exchange of insults and threats? How could anyone who sees this trash trust ANY INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVE to provide accurate information?

Case in point:

Academic Psychiatry 29:222-229, June 2005
© 2005 Academic Psychiatry

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Perspective

The Role of the Pharmaceutical Industry in Teaching Psychopharmacology: A Growing Problem
Amy C. Brodkey, M.D.
Dr. Brodkey is Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Address correspondence to Dr. Brodkey, brodkeya@verizon.net (E-mail). Copyright © 2005 Academic Psychiatry.

OBJECTIVE: To describe and examine the role of the pharmaceutical industry in the teaching of psychopharmacology to residents and medical students and to make recommendations for changes in curriculum and policy based on these findings. METHODS: Literature reviews and discussions with experts, educators, and trainees. RESULTS: The pharmaceutical industry currently plays an extensive role in teaching psychopharmacology to trainees, both directly and indirectly. Attendance at industry-sponsored lectures and drug lunches, meetings with pharmaceutical representatives, and interactions involving the acceptance of various gifts are the most obvious venues. Less apparent but equally pervasive are the influence of industry-sponsored faculty and research and industry’s effect on the climate of practice and the profession as a whole. Replacing medical education with industry promotion in the guise of scholarship causes demonstrable harm to trainees, the public, and the profession. CONCLUSIONS: In light of these findings, the medical profession must reassert control of medical education and draw a firm barrier between commercial and professional pursuits. These issues must be actively, explicitly, and rigorously discussed with our colleagues and students.
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Adiós por el momento!

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I really don't think much of a physician who has the time to even write on this...can you say JSB? Honestly I wish I had MD's that would write something for a sandwich...doesn't happen. Although...certain powerful physicians DO threaten drug company's and REFUSE to write their product..even if it is the most effective thing available, because they weren't the lead investigator... IT WORKS BOTH WAYS....but in general its a healthy relationship. You must be an academic physician....willing to cancel a primary care office lunce, but not willing to pass up grant money and honararium for themselves....Oh by the way, I am so impressed you know spanish.....your mother must be proud that you are bi lingual...you are so special.

[Anonymous]

you, poor thing, should be in line for psychoanalysis. Good luck - maybe you should contact the author of that article and volunteer for a major overhaul.

[Anonymous]

POoR bilingual...he is not a physician..tkrip2z is a scios manager..look back at its previous postings...

[Anonymous]

If you want to urge others to be cautious, well, how charitable of you. If you slander others in the process, you may be identified sooner than you think. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

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Ditto...NOTE the article was written in 2001....freedom of speech...we are protected unless we say something stupid like we are breaking the law..... the feds can get our info you can't.

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Stupidity seems to be the norm here. So maybe "we" should consider the following before "we" post more slanderous drivel.
_________________________________________________

In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ??? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/blush.gif

This is provided, of course, for the consideration of all you Einsteins out there hiding with confidence behind this board.

[Anonymous]

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If you want to urge others to be cautious, well, how charitable of you. If you slander others in the process, you may be identified sooner than you think. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

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Ditto...NOTE the article was written in 2001....freedom of speech...we are protected unless we say something stupid like we are breaking the law..... the feds can get our info you can't.

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Stupidity seems to be the norm here. So maybe "we" should consider the following before "we" post more slanderous drivel.
_________________________________________________

In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ??? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/blush.gif

This is provided, of course, for the consideration of all you Einsteins out there hiding with confidence behind this board.

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You can't say that ALL of this board is FALSE. I personally have seen people sneaking around with other people at the company meetings....DO YOU THINK THE DISCOVERY PROCESS WILL BE A FUN ONE FOR THE PARTIES (FAMILIES)INVOLVED???? If people say they are unhappy about a management decision...is that unlawful...I DON"T THINK SO!!!! YOU may want to ask upper management of other companies that have been desperately trying to figure out who is actually spilling out "TOP SECRET" information on this board...no I believe that person's ass should fry...but they are unable to get the name. YOU CAN"T STAND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE TRUTH ON THIS BOARD!!! Can people lose their job because of the stupidity of the Brunwald panel???? Then you must ignore wall street, our customers....and every one else in the biotech world....We took one of the fastest growing products and drove it in to the ground...Somehow no one felt the NEED for any more studies....YOUR actions have just been plain stupid, so I again ask...this board is known to be just crazy...and from the looks of things...management is on way more than any one I talk to....SO WHY WOULD ANY ONE CARE WHAT IS ON HERE that has 1/2 a brain???? I read this every 2 weeks or so forFUN>>>>but the fact that you take it as a threat....is a little concerning

[Anonymous]

Hey gang...hope you don't use a company computer to respond to this board!!!! I agree this board is a little over the top...but totally hysterical. I can't say I don't share a lot of the same views

[Anonymous]

Isn't it interesting Tyree has not been on lately.
Is someone in the company on vacation or taken a job elsewhere? Where are you Tyree....missing your comments.

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Isn't it interesting Tyree has not been on lately.
Is someone in the company on vacation or taken a job elsewhere? Where are you Tyree....missing your comments.

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Me too! Tyree, where ARE you???

[Anonymous]

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Isn't it interesting Tyree has not been on lately.
Is someone in the company on vacation or taken a job elsewhere? Where are you Tyree....missing your comments.

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Me too! Tyree, where ARE you???

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you are right, tyree has been gone for awile. Is he the law professor posting that privacy bullshit? Or is he really tkrip guy/gal? Show yourself, Tyree.

[Anonymous]

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I've been contacted to interview for a scios position. I can't make heads or tails out of this post, so could someone enlighten me on the company? Currently selling CV Meds to primary care and looking for something better. Thanks.

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Stay as far away from Scios as you can. No data for Natrecor, numbers are at an all time low. a handful of CVS's just left and there was a huge round of layoffs. There are expected to be more in June.

[Anonymous]

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I've been contacted to interview for a scios position. I can't make heads or tails out of this post, so could someone enlighten me on the company? Currently selling CV Meds to primary care and looking for something better. Thanks.

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Stay as far away from Scios as you can. No data for Natrecor, numbers are at an all time low. a handful of CVS's just left and there was a huge round of layoffs. There are expected to be more in June.

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hey were did you hear that? I have had 2 interviews for a open position in sales.

[Anonymous]

The scare tactics are expected. That is how Scios has run things from the days with DB. Mgt is scared someone from J&J HQ will see the truth. The problem is that the left wingers at Scios do not know about the first admendment some people have given their life for. Shame on them to use threats. KH and RSTL see it is hard to scare people who don't respect you. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif The truth is scary to some people.

[Tyree]

<YAWN> Sorry, been laying back and relaxing in the Bahamas!

Lets see...found out today that we got approval for the 7k patient study! Good move letting the first data cut come at 4k to see if the last 3k are needed too! I am serious...this is good stuff..

......BUT......

3,771 vials for the week! ICK!!! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/mad.gif

IMHO!

[Anonymous]

Glad to hear from you!!!! Hope you had a good time in the Bahamas. Do you think the rumor of June Lay off might happen esp. with 3,771 vials? Feeling good about the JNJ commitment for a 7,000 patient to study. What's your take?

[Anonymous]

3771 is laughable... Wait till it hits 1000. RSTL ran this place like a moron. The study is 5 yearss too late. Do you know how long it will take to get the data. Wow Randy do you think the registry was a good idea after all. Daaaaaa it worked at Genetech with TPA.

Let us know when it hits 1000. I also heard about the layoffs from a friend who just left. Her manager told her that the managers were asked to have 2 CVS per area picked for the phone call. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/frown.gif

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<YAWN> Sorry, been laying back and relaxing in the Bahamas!

Lets see...found out today that we got approval for the 7k patient study! Good move letting the first data cut come at 4k to see if the last 3k are needed too! I am serious...this is good stuff..

......BUT......

3,771 vials for the week! ICK!!! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/mad.gif

IMHO!

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Great to see you back! I always appreciate your insight and wisdom. Three to Four quick questions: #1.) I , too am interested in your thoughts in a supposed inevitable second round of layoffs in June: I hear it almost every day from insiders and recruiters. #2.) What are your thoughts about the threats on this thread re: "anonymous board postings?" WRT to ANYTHING posted on this sight and , more specifically, related "libel and slander & disclosure of inside information?" and first ammendment rights? BTW, I DO agree with a previous poster that it is very prudent that NOBODY post from a Scios Computer! What are your thoughts? #3.) Last, I am not a text messager, and, as such, I don't know all of the acronyms for words and phrases; so induldge the rest of us "old timers- over 35" and let us know what 'IMHO" means.... Please!

So glad you are back.

PS. #4.) I saw your posts regarding LungRX... what is the scoop there; or, for that matter any other hot biotech opportunities... perhaps you should post it on the Biotech Firms Company Board.

Kudos, Tyree for being a beacon of truth in the face of all this deceit and shame. This is so unfortunate for Scios and our employess, not to mention for Natrecor and all of the patients and care givers who benefited from it.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk... Keep in touch, Tyree- some of us really appreciate your candor and optimism.

Take Care.

Thanks Tyree! I think you are toohttp://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/cool.gif

[Anonymous]

Just a note to above...the "THREATS" posted on this board to employees that want to discuss their future are not legal...that manager that is threatening us on this board can also be held accountable...I do believe the law will side w/ us not big employer. Any one that says these postings are slanderous would have to prove it.....and honestly I have read exaggerations ....but not too many lies....OUCH management...the truth hurts, and it obviously ticks you off! Welcome back Tyree!

[Anonymous]

CC lost another manager!!!!!! Can KH keep explaining away the loss to the east...how come the other regions haven't lost the same amount of people. I hear she is unbearable, clueless, and that I should thank god that I will never come in contact w/ her!!!!!

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The scare tactics are expected. That is how Scios has run things from the days with DB. Mgt is scared someone from J&J HQ will see the truth. The problem is that the left wingers at Scios do not know about the first admendment some people have given their life for. Shame on them to use threats. KH and RSTL see it is hard to scare people who don't respect you. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif The truth is scary to some people.

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We agree. The truth is indeed scary to some people. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

Individual states specifically prohibit defamation, no matter what form it takes. Defamation consists of false and unprivileged publication which results in economic damages.

Financial loss is not necessary where the statement implies that a person is a criminal or has an unpleasant disease, or which injures a person in respect to his other office, profession, or business.

[Tyree]

Well, well, well...although I believe I detect a bit of sarcasm.. I will still take the bait and indulge. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

1st off..well, your 3rd ?
IMHO - In my humble opinion. I started to end my posts here after my flamer/stalker said I was all about opinions.

Now to your ??'s
1) I have heard nothing about June layoffs...not even rumors. I guess it is not out of the realm of possibilty, but they are interviewong canidates for open territories, so I would think layoffs are not going to happen.

2) Hmmm. I am a lot of things, but lawyer is not one. I can tell you that if someone wanted to know who you were on this board...it can be done. What they could legally do with that information is up for debate. I would have to think that you could have a real solid case for retaliation if they fired you over a post though.

Personally though...slandering someone on these boards, by name, is not a very classy thing to do...

DO NOT use your work computer for anything but work...for ANY company.

4) Do not know a heck of a lot about Lung Rx...just what I read/heard about in the conference call UT had with investors about 2-3 weeks ago. Just sounds really cool though.

Rumors:
Medimmune is looking for people, but they just received a narrow usage from the main body of docs that use the drug. Sales my be effected by that.

ENCY: Still looking to bring people on board for big dollars. If you go, try to get a severance built into your signing package. I have a feeling they are sandbagging though. What I mean by that is...they are keeping a lid on why the gov't is not happy about something. I think it may be drug class issue and the longer thay keep it secrete the longer it will take Myogen to get the answers needed...if you buy the stock it is a RISKY thing, but I think it has huge upside.

Of course...all of the above is IMHO! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

[Anonymous]

What is the deal? Will Scios fill any of the openings right now or just hope they remain open.

[Tyree]

Interviews have been held and are to be held. They are doing it right now...

IMHO... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

[Anonymous]

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Interviews have been held and are to be held. They are doing it right now...

IMHO... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

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Why r they interviewing people if June lay off planned? decent candidates are talking to them?

[Anonymous]

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<YAWN> Sorry, been laying back and relaxing in the Bahamas!

Lets see...found out today that we got approval for the 7k patient study! Good move letting the first data cut come at 4k to see if the last 3k are needed too! I am serious...this is good stuff..

......BUT......

3,771 vials for the week! ICK!!! http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/mad.gif

IMHO!

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Great to see you back! I always appreciate your insight and wisdom. Three to Four quick questions: #1.) I , too am interested in your thoughts in a supposed inevitable second round of layoffs in June: I hear it almost every day from insiders and recruiters. #2.) What are your thoughts about the threats on this thread re: "anonymous board postings?" WRT to ANYTHING posted on this sight and , more specifically, related "libel and slander & disclosure of inside information?" and first ammendment rights? BTW, I DO agree with a previous poster that it is very prudent that NOBODY post from a Scios Computer! What are your thoughts? #3.) Last, I am not a text messager, and, as such, I don't know all of the acronyms for words and phrases; so induldge the rest of us "old timers- over 35" and let us know what 'IMHO" means.... Please!

So glad you are back.

PS. #4.) I saw your posts regarding LungRX... what is the scoop there; or, for that matter any other hot biotech opportunities... perhaps you should post it on the Biotech Firms Company Board.

Kudos, Tyree for being a beacon of truth in the face of all this deceit and shame. This is so unfortunate for Scios and our employess, not to mention for Natrecor and all of the patients and care givers who benefited from it.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk... Keep in touch, Tyree- some of us really appreciate your candor and optimism.

Take Care.

Thanks Tyree! I think you are toohttp://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/cool.gif

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tyree! are you asking yourself questions anonymously just so you can answer them in this forum? Brilliant! Serously, this is great. If you could ask yourself anything else in the world what would i be?

[Anonymous]

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The scare tactics are expected. That is how Scios has run things from the days with DB. Mgt is scared someone from J&J HQ will see the truth. The problem is that the left wingers at Scios do not know about the first admendment some people have given their life for. Shame on them to use threats. KH and RSTL see it is hard to scare people who don't respect you. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif The truth is scary to some people.

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We agree. The truth is indeed scary to some people. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

Individual states specifically prohibit defamation, no matter what form it takes. Defamation consists of false and unprivileged publication which results in economic damages.

Financial loss is not necessary where the statement implies that a person is a criminal or has an unpleasant disease, or which injures a person in respect to his other office, profession, or business.

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The key term here is "FALSE". AGAIN CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHY ARE YOU SO NERVOUS ABOUT WHAT IS ON THIS BOARD???IF IT IS FALSE!!!!! SUE away...you know that won't happen , because there is a little TOO much truth on here, that is why you are nervous. Also, please don't tell me you think its CAFE pharma' fault we are selling only 37 hundred odd vials a week ....oh my, is that false or defamatory......I know about seven people alone that will be leaving in the next month...not taking better jobs, but taking less than lateral moves. We can't stand the direction, the babysitting and the childlike management tactics....you all will fit right in with the new structure at JNJ...primary care.... Sad thing is...if we would be treated a little more like the veterans we are....maybe this thing would turn around....but face it...you need us right now more than we need you....

[Anonymous]

You shure doo post alot for some one who ain't worried. Lotsa words. Lotsa caps. Lotsa fraid? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/blush.gif

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You shure doo post alot for some one who ain't worried. Lotsa words. Lotsa caps. Lotsa fraid? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/blush.gif

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You sure use a lot of smiley faces for someone that is supposed to be a professional... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

[Anonymous]

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You shure doo post alot for some one who ain't worried. Lotsa words. Lotsa caps. Lotsa fraid? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/blush.gif

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NEW poster. here..you (management) seem more nevous than anyone else on this board why could that be.....

[Anonymous]

How sad is this site.. I don't know what is worse the 2 disgruntled reps that continue to post or the 18 members of managemnt team that also feel that they need to constantly post here....

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Probably not a good idea for the Blonde to be sharing KH's interviewing activities....?

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The best was she that Kim asked her not to tell anyone. I guess her husband or someone she knows works at the company KH was interviewing at. She said KH was kissing her ass to make sure she did not share the info with anyone. Guess that didnt work Kim.

[Anonymous]

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If you want to urge others to be cautious, well, how charitable of you. If you slander others in the process, you may be identified sooner than you think. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

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Ditto...NOTE the article was written in 2001....freedom of speech...we are protected unless we say something stupid like we are breaking the law..... the feds can get our info you can't.

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Stupidity seems to be the norm here. So maybe "we" should consider the following before "we" post more slanderous drivel.
_________________________________________________

In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ??? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/blush.gif

This is provided, of course, for the consideration of all you Einsteins out there hiding with confidence behind this board.

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Do you think J&J would pay a dime to find out if someone was sleeping with another person. Sounds like you are again trying to scare the people on this board. The only think that would come out of any investigation is a front page article in the NY Times. If you dont like what you read stop visiting this site. Next time you open a law book make sure it is not in the prison library. Is your world getting smaller maybe 6ft cell.

[Anonymous]

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How sad is this site.. I don't know what is worse the 2 disgruntled reps that continue to post or the 18 members of managemnt team that also feel that they need to constantly post here....

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hey, this place is made up by a larger number of disgruntled reps than just 2. Just ask us - or ask Tyree. I herd he has psychic power

everyone looking for the real scoop here should be sad - this sight is a shitty source of info.

[Anonymous]

How many of our custustomers were slandered on the stage at the NSM's or conf calls. Mgt should be worried they video taped those meetings. That is cause for alarm. This is a place for people to talk and share opportunities and news. Sorry but if you had a real case this site would have gone out of business along time ago. Just think of the news papers company goes after posters that talk about the truth. Not company secrets or patents but the same thing mgt talks about...........

[Anonymous]

It has come to our attention that claims have been made about finding out peoples identities - or breaking the anonimity this site provides.

At cafepharma.com we take your privacy seriously. We are not associated with any other company and we do not collect and or sell any of your personal information to any other company. Our site traffic software is configured to collect page view information only. It does not record user action linked to identifying information (such as IP address). Web traffic information is used in aggregate form (no individual is identified) to promote our site to advertisers and to help direct our promotional efforts.

Our classified and message board sections do use cookies for recognizing registered users of these sections. Again, none of the personal information for registered users is sold or revealed to any other company, nor do we use this information to send promotional email to our users. Registered users may opt to have email sent to them through these sections (for instance, when they receive a reply to a post or classified ad), but it is always the users’ choice to do so, and may be changed at any time.

Some advertisers who put banner ads on our site may be able to identify the IP address and clickstream of those on our site. We will not accept any ads of any kind that reveal an individual’s personal information.

At cafepharma.com we believe you should be able to visit us anonymously and use our services without any violation of your privacy. If you use any of the links on our site to visit other sites we recommend reading their privacy policy as theirs may be different from ours. Please send any questions or concerns to webmaster@cafepharma.com.

[Anonymous]

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Probably not a good idea for the Blonde to be sharing KH's interviewing activities....?

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The best was she that Kim asked her not to tell anyone. I guess her husband or someone she knows works at the company KH was interviewing at. She said KH was kissing her ass to make sure she did not share the info with anyone. Guess that didnt work Kim.

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Tall Blonde... what are you thinking? Be careful. Beware.

[Anonymous]

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It has come to our attention that claims have been made about finding out peoples identities - or breaking the anonimity this site provides.

At cafepharma.com we take your privacy seriously. We are not associated with any other company and we do not collect and or sell any of your personal information to any other company. Our site traffic software is configured to collect page view information only. It does not record user action linked to identifying information (such as IP address). Web traffic information is used in aggregate form (no individual is identified) to promote our site to advertisers and to help direct our promotional efforts.

Our classified and message board sections do use cookies for recognizing registered users of these sections. Again, none of the personal information for registered users is sold or revealed to any other company, nor do we use this information to send promotional email to our users. Registered users may opt to have email sent to them through these sections (for instance, when they receive a reply to a post or classified ad), but it is always the users’ choice to do so, and may be changed at any time.

Some advertisers who put banner ads on our site may be able to identify the IP address and clickstream of those on our site. We will not accept any ads of any kind that reveal an individual’s personal information.

At cafepharma.com we believe you should be able to visit us anonymously and use our services without any violation of your privacy. If you use any of the links on our site to visit other sites we recommend reading their privacy policy as theirs may be different from ours. Please send any questions or concerns to webmaster@cafepharma.com.

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We know you do....and so does the management team that posts on your site....Thank you for your service. Folks....avoid work computers...that they can trace from our end...but I know that cafepharma sticks to its word....other companies are driven nuts by this site....right lawyers and management???????

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Probably not a good idea for the Blonde to be sharing KH's interviewing activities....?

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The best was she that Kim asked her not to tell anyone. I guess her husband or someone she knows works at the company KH was interviewing at. She said KH was kissing her ass to make sure she did not share the info with anyone. Guess that didnt work Kim.

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Tall Blonde... what are you thinking? Be careful. Beware.

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In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ???

[Anonymous]

Right. And don't forget......

Cyberlibel is a catchphrase for defamation that takes place through the Internet, either on messageboards, email, blogs, chatrooms, personal websites, or other published articles. Defamation, in real life, means that someone has communicated a false and damaging statement to a third party that does verifiable harm to the defamed person's reputation. Since cyberlibel occurs over cyberspace, it raises legal issues of free speech, public figures, opportunities to refute the statements, and anonymity that may warrant new laws and regulation.

Traditionally, libel occurring through newspapers, magazines, fliers, or letters, made distinctions between a public and private figure. That is, a public figure such as a politician has less of an expectation of privacy regarding his or her activities. Also, it is easier for him or her to publicize their response or defense to damaging information to correct the public's opinion. Yet an individual who is not in the public eye has a greater protection of their reputation. Since they cannot easily reach the people who have learned misinformation, they're more likely to win a libel case.

The difference with cyberlibel is that it effectively makes otherwise private figures public, by way of websites that many people access. Also, libel laws are determined by state and jurisdiction, but there are no geographical limits to information on the internet. Analysts studying cyberlibel only have a few United States cases on which to base their opinions, and those cases are contradictory. For instance, they comment on the responsibility of an original writer, such as a blogger, versus a distribution outlet, such as a host server or messageboard that might or might not have control over editing.

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Right. And don't forget......

Cyberlibel is a catchphrase for defamation that takes place through the Internet, either on messageboards, email, blogs, chatrooms, personal websites, or other published articles. Defamation, in real life, means that someone has communicated a false and damaging statement to a third party that does verifiable harm to the defamed person's reputation. Since cyberlibel occurs over cyberspace, it raises legal issues of free speech, public figures, opportunities to refute the statements, and anonymity that may warrant new laws and regulation.

Traditionally, libel occurring through newspapers, magazines, fliers, or letters, made distinctions between a public and private figure. That is, a public figure such as a politician has less of an expectation of privacy regarding his or her activities. Also, it is easier for him or her to publicize their response or defense to damaging information to correct the public's opinion. Yet an individual who is not in the public eye has a greater protection of their reputation. Since they cannot easily reach the people who have learned misinformation, they're more likely to win a libel case.

The difference with cyberlibel is that it effectively makes otherwise private figures public, by way of websites that many people access. Also, libel laws are determined by state and jurisdiction, but there are no geographical limits to information on the internet. Analysts studying cyberlibel only have a few United States cases on which to base their opinions, and those cases are contradictory. For instance, they comment on the responsibility of an original writer, such as a blogger, versus a distribution outlet, such as a host server or messageboard that might or might not have control over editing.

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Remember if it was communicated by the person it is not a secret. If you are such a legal expert or company official you would leave your name as other company officials have done on this site. A Lawyer would either leave their name or wait to get as much info as possible. I agree that their are no real laws or geographies on the internet. Any way that is why all my post are done at cyber cafe's while drining a nice coffee far from home. Toooo baddddd. What do you think you have the FBI doing investigation work for you they are doing it about you. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif

[Anonymous]

I think this person(one may guess a lawyer) has no clue #! what has gone on at our meetings #2 the open(actual not scripted) communications to the field and#3 the craziness that we all have dealt with...Maybe this lawyer(or whoever) actually thinks we ARE lying...he probably doesn't have a clue, so I guess I will give him a break...I know most of my friends join you on the cyber cafe...not because they are fearful...its just plain fun and convenient.....So I say Mr. Legal ...before you waste your hours(prob days) on this board...remember, you may want to dig a little deeper at the home front, your a smart fellow(gal), I know you can figure it out.....HMMMMMMMM

[Anonymous]

For the entire article, go to this sight...
www.fredlaw.com/articles/ebusiness/ebus_0009_cjm.html (http://www.fredlaw.com/articles/ebusiness/ebus_0009_cjm.html)

the following is an exerpt from the orig article by Ms. MOyer
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Very Truly Yours, Anonymous
September 2000
By: Cynthia A. Moyer, E-Business and Litigation Groups
Phone: (612) 492-7167
E-Mail: cmoyer@fredlaw.com

The battle between the right to remain anonymous and the right to know who is making allegedly libelous statements is heating up in state courts across the country. In New Jersey, Biomatrix commenced a lawsuit against three anonymous parties who posted online statements that officers of Biomatrix were "Nazi doctors" and that the company's product killed several people. Biomatrix identified the cyberlibelers (who were former employees) by issuing subpoenas to the chat board host. As a result of the suit, a New Jersey court issued the first decision ever holding individuals accountable for online libel.

In Florida, a Miami-Dade County Court recently ordered America Online and Yahoo! to disclose the identity of an anonymous cyberlibeler is being sued for defamation. The cyberlibeler fought the disclosure of his identity, claiming he has a constitutional right to anonymous speech on the Internet. The court disagreed, finding the plaintiff's right to know his accuser outweighed any alleged right to anonymity on the Internet.

[Anonymous]

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For the entire article, go to this sight...
www.fredlaw.com/articles/ebusiness/ebus_0009_cjm.html (http://www.fredlaw.com/articles/ebusiness/ebus_0009_cjm.html)

the following is an exerpt from the orig article by Ms. MOyer
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Very Truly Yours, Anonymous
September 2000
By: Cynthia A. Moyer, E-Business and Litigation Groups
Phone: (612) 492-7167
E-Mail: cmoyer@fredlaw.com

The battle between the right to remain anonymous and the right to know who is making allegedly libelous statements is heating up in state courts across the country. In New Jersey, Biomatrix commenced a lawsuit against three anonymous parties who posted online statements that officers of Biomatrix were "Nazi doctors" and that the company's product killed several people. Biomatrix identified the cyberlibelers (who were former employees) by issuing subpoenas to the chat board host. As a result of the suit, a New Jersey court issued the first decision ever holding individuals accountable for online libel.

In Florida, a Miami-Dade County Court recently ordered America Online and Yahoo! to disclose the identity of an anonymous cyberlibeler is being sued for defamation. The cyberlibeler fought the disclosure of his identity, claiming he has a constitutional right to anonymous speech on the Internet. The court disagreed, finding the plaintiff's right to know his accuser outweighed any alleged right to anonymity on the Internet.

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YOU aren't getting it...it is truth on this board so get over it....those that are nervous will go to cofee shops to post...I ask the same question many before me have asked...why are you threatened by what is on this board...if a lawsuit occurs you may be shocked to figure out that there isn't many "false" statements that occured on this board. The fact that a lawyer needs to monitoring this makes one think that we are right on

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For the entire article, go to this sight...
www.fredlaw.com/articles/ebusiness/ebus_0009_cjm.html (http://www.fredlaw.com/articles/ebusiness/ebus_0009_cjm.html)

the following is an exerpt from the orig article by Ms. MOyer
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Very Truly Yours, Anonymous
September 2000
By: Cynthia A. Moyer, E-Business and Litigation Groups
Phone: (612) 492-7167
E-Mail: cmoyer@fredlaw.com

The battle between the right to remain anonymous and the right to know who is making allegedly libelous statements is heating up in state courts across the country. In New Jersey, Biomatrix commenced a lawsuit against three anonymous parties who posted online statements that officers of Biomatrix were "Nazi doctors" and that the company's product killed several people. Biomatrix identified the cyberlibelers (who were former employees) by issuing subpoenas to the chat board host. As a result of the suit, a New Jersey court issued the first decision ever holding individuals accountable for online libel.

In Florida, a Miami-Dade County Court recently ordered America Online and Yahoo! to disclose the identity of an anonymous cyberlibeler is being sued for defamation. The cyberlibeler fought the disclosure of his identity, claiming he has a constitutional right to anonymous speech on the Internet. The court disagreed, finding the plaintiff's right to know his accuser outweighed any alleged right to anonymity on the Internet.

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Do you ever think its an insult to your intelligence that they have you monitoring this board...how many years did you go to college? Since all you do is quote articles ..its obvious that you don't care that what is on here is truthful...you are just spouting off cases...who cares if eventually we are found out any way, by then we prob won't exist...but at least I won't feel guiltyif someone didn't make a decision on information that was given to me..or all global jnj employee's. come on guys...most of the stuff published here is public record....

[Anonymous]

From Yahoo Finance postings, 2000

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Reply


Notice of Order to Show Cause
by: d_villanueva_2000

Please take notice that the following order has been entered with respect to
"implementor_extrodinaire", "ajcazz", "xxplrr", and "gacbar":

[Beginning of Order]

Michael S. Vogel
ALLEGAERT BERGER & VOGEL LLP
475 Wall Street
Princeton, New Jersey 08540
(609) 688-9700

Attorneys for Plaintiff


DENDRITE INTERNATIONAL, INC., a New SUPERIOR COURT OF NEW JERSEY
Jersey corporation, MORRIS COUNTY
CHANCERY DIVISION - -
Plaintiff, GENERAL EQUITY PART

DOCKET NO. MRSC-129-00 v.
Civil Action
JOHN DOES Nos. 1 through 4 and DOES
5 through 14, inclusive, ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE

Defendants.


WHEREAS, this matter been brought before the court by Michael S. Vogel, Esq., of Allegaert Berger & Vogel LLP and Robert L. Weigel, Esq., and David A. Zonana, Esq., of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP, counsel for plaintiff Dendrite International, Inc. ("Dendrite"), on application for an Order To Show Cause why an Order should not be entered granting plaintiff leave to conduct limited expedited discovery, including issuance of a commission to take discovery out-of-state, for the purpose of obtaining information sufficient to identify defendant's John Does No. 1 through 4 and serve them with the Complaint in this action; and
WHEREAS, the Court has reviewed the proposed Order To Show Cause,
Memorandum of Law, Verified Complaint, Certification of Michael S. Vogel, and Certification of David A. Zonana; and
WHEREAS, Defendants John Does Nos. 1 through 4 are named as defendants under fictitious names pursuant to R. 4:26-4 because their names are unknown to Dendrite; and
WHEREAS, it appears that the most effective and appropriate means of providing actual notice to Defendants John Does Nos. 1 through 4 of the present application is for this Court to authorize posting of this Order to Show Cause on Yahoo - Finance Home Message Board: DRTE not later than June 23, 2000; and
WHEREAS, good cause exists for the entry of this Order;
IT IS on this 20th day of June 2000, ORDERED as follows:
1. Defendants John Does No. 1 through 4 are directed to appear before this Court on July 5, 2000, at 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon, at the Superior Court of New Jersey, Morris County, Chancery Division, Morris County Courthouse, Washington and Court Streets, Morristown, New Jersey, and show cause why this Court should not enforce a commission granting plaintiff leave to conduct limited expedited discovery, including discovery out-of-state, for the purpose of obtaining information sufficient to identify defendants John Does Nos. 1 through 4 and serve them with the Complaint in this action.
2. Defendants John Does 1 through 4 shall file their opposition papers, if any, with the Court and serve them so as to be received by counsel for the plaintiff no later than June 30, 2000.
3. Plaintiff shall file its reply papers, if any, with the Court and serve them so as to be received by counsel for Defendants John Does 1 through 4 no later than July 3, 2000.
If you cannot afford to pay an attorney, call a Legal Services Office. An individual not eligible for free legal assistance may obtain a referral to an attorney by calling a county lawyer referral service. These numbers may be listed in the yellow pages of your phone book. The phone numbers for the county in which this action is pending are: Lawyer Referral Service, (973) 267-5882, Legal Services Office, (973) 285-6911.

/s/
Hon. Kenneth C. MacKenzie, J.S.C.

[End of Order]

Please also take notice that "implementor_extrodinaire", "ajcazz", "xxplrr", and "gacbar" may obtain copies of the court papers relating to this order by contacting Michael Vogel, Allegaert Berger & Vogel LLP, at (609) 688-9700 or (212) 571-0550.

[Anonymous]

Mumbo Jumbo...blah blah blah blah blah....who cares...

[Anonymous]

WOW!

Nice to see the post I started a few weeks ago has turned into "LA Law" or "Fremont Law" for that matter. Sad to see someone that was laid off 2-23 could cause 2600+ hits and 195 posts. Of couse lately, even Perry Mason would slip into coma. People, run for the doors FIRE FIRE! Is that be illegal mista lawyer man?

PS Life is good after Scios...

[Anonymous]

I am jealous...do you know ANYONE that is hiring...I heard that the medicines company and CHF solutions have some scattered openings across the country...

[Anonymous]

I am encouraged by the announcement of the 4-7000 clinical try...but a little nervous that some how RSTK jumped the gun a little early on the approval notice....do you think there might be a stipulation that the study will get approved if we are at least selling 6000 vials. I am a little nervous about summer numbers...I can't imagine that jnj would approve something if we weren't at least selling a certain amt...its a big investment so we better start turning things around.....
hopeful but nervous

[Anonymous]

sorry, new poster ....i meant to say clinical trial..not clinical triy...and rstk means rstl....

[Anonymous]

Whoever is arguing about the Yahoo Financa post and employee cannot go there and post and not expect to get hammered if it is negative. I know someone who was sued at AAI, the suit dropped when our comapny went belly up. Posting on a finace board is risky because it is implied you have insider information which is illegal. Posting on a finace board is different from an industry forum

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Whoever is arguing about the Yahoo Financa post and employee cannot go there and post and not expect to get hammered if it is negative. I know someone who was sued at AAI, the suit dropped when our comapny went belly up. Posting on a finace board is risky because it is implied you have insider information which is illegal. Posting on a finace board is different from an industry forum

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OK let's test your theory - posting on a finance board may be "different" from posting on an industry forum.

To test your theory, consider this: What about aol, prodigy, and other access providers and hosts of discussion forums?

Examine carefully the following from Eric Eden's article:
Libel & Defamation in the Information Age

".....There are court cases in progress right now that will decide if access providers such as Prodigy, America Online and Compuserve are responsible for defamatory remarks broadcast over their services, but there is no legal ambiguity about whether individual users can be sued for making defamatory or libelous statements. Individual users are
responsible for making sure the information they distribute is not libelous or defamatory."
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It's not just about the finance chats anymore. Individuals can be held responsible if they distribute libelous or defamatory information.

Your theory does not adequately explain court actions (and ISP responses) in numerous forums where libelous and defamatory information has been posted.

Refer to the term "no legal ambiguity" . Who is responsible for the information posted? The poster of the information!

[Anonymous]

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Probably not a good idea for the Blonde to be sharing KH's interviewing activities....?

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The best was she that Kim asked her not to tell anyone. I guess her husband or someone she knows works at the company KH was interviewing at. She said KH was kissing her ass to make sure she did not share the info with anyone. Guess that didnt work Kim.

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Tall Blonde... what are you thinking? Be careful. Beware.

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In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ???

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As long as the information is true and not patent or secret company classified info you are fishing. Can you imagine all the dirt that would come up it would be comical. I guess the company would want to know to see if it was true. It is not like it is leaked secrets. Pin Point away.. Just make sure no one pin points right back at ya http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif

[Anonymous]

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Whoever is arguing about the Yahoo Financa post and employee cannot go there and post and not expect to get hammered if it is negative. I know someone who was sued at AAI, the suit dropped when our comapny went belly up. Posting on a finace board is risky because it is implied you have insider information which is illegal. Posting on a finace board is different from an industry forum

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OK let's test your theory - posting on a finance board may be "different" from posting on an industry forum.

To test your theory, consider this: What about aol, prodigy, and other access providers and hosts of discussion forums?

Examine carefully the following from Eric Eden's article:
Libel & Defamation in the Information Age

".....There are court cases in progress right now that will decide if access providers such as Prodigy, America Online and Compuserve are responsible for defamatory remarks broadcast over their services, but there is no legal ambiguity about whether individual users can be sued for making defamatory or libelous statements. Individual users are
responsible for making sure the information they distribute is not libelous or defamatory."
_________________________

It's not just about the finance chats anymore. Individuals can be held responsible if they distribute libelous or defamatory information.

Your theory does not adequately explain court actions (and ISP responses) in numerous forums where libelous and defamatory information has been posted.

Refer to the term "no legal ambiguity" . Who is responsible for the information posted? The poster of the information!

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As long as the company is held to the same standards. This will be interesting. Has to be an outsider.

[Anonymous]

Critics Assail J&J for Delaying A Safety Study
The Wall Street Journal
May 30, 2006
By Scott Hensley
A YEAR AFTER Johnson & Johnson asked a panel of experts for advice about its controversial heart-failure drug Natrecor, the company has yet to start a study of safety issues that the outsiders said should begin "without delay."
J&J, based in New Brunswick, N.J., said last week that it would soon unveil a plan for the safety study. "There are just a couple of details that we're putting the finishing touches on," said Roger Mills, vice president of medical affairs at Scios, the J&J unit that makes Natrecor.
Still, the failure to expeditiously settle whether Natrecor is safe has sapped the confidence of doctors and patients in the once-promising drug and caused its sales to plunge. For the same reason, J&J is once again colliding with prominent critics.
Natrecor was approved in 2001 for intravenous use in hospitalized patients whose hearts pump so weakly that they have trouble breathing. It was seen as a breakthrough for thousands of extremely sick patients. And the drug looked like a big hit for J&J, as doctors began giving it not only to patients in the emergency room, but also as an infusion in outpatient clinics to stave off hospitalization -- a use that hadn't been explicitly approved by regulators. About 700,000 patients have taken it.
Just over a year ago, however, two leading medical journals published analyses that raised new safety questions. The analyses pooled data from selected tests of Natrecor and estimated the drug may increase the risk of compromised kidney failure by 50%, and of death within 30 days by 74% or more, compared with other therapies. The data analyzed weren't new, and some doctors questioned both the methods and the findings.
In response, J&J in June asked legendary cardiologist Eugene Braunwald of Harvard to convene an advisory panel of heart doctors. He did, and the panel urged the company to proceed with a follow-up study to resolve the matter. A company press release at the time called the advice an endorsement of J&J's existing plans, which a spokeswoman said last week included options for an outcomes study.
But the medical-journal articles led some doctors and patients to rethink the drug, once seen as such a gem that J&J paid $2.4 billion to acquire its maker Scios Inc. in 2003. Natrecor sales are expected to fall to $100 million this year from a peak of $375 million in 2004, J.P. Morgan estimates.
At J&J, Dr. Mills said the size and complexity of the planned trial meant the company had to vet it with experts and regulators around the world. Another factor is that the company would like to use the results to apply for approval of the medicine in markets outside the U.S.
A company spokeswoman said the study would be the largest and most comprehensive to date in this group of patients. The study, she said, will demonstrate the "commitment and confidence" the company has in Natrecor.
Nevertheless, the absence of visible progress hasn't pleased members of the panel the company convened, including some of the nation's top cardiologists. "I think no one on the panel imagined that the recommendation would be followed by silence for a year," said Milton Packer, a member of the advisory committee and professor at University of Texas Southwestern Medical School in Dallas. "It's an unacceptably long period of time."
He acknowledged that the study recommended by the panel wouldn't be easy and would involve thousands of patients."But it's amazing how rapidly a sponsor can move forward with them if motivated to do so," Dr. Packer said. Deciding on the approach and naming doctors to carry out the work shouldn't have taken more than two to four months, he said. A company spokeswoman disputed that assertion, saying, "We wanted to take the time to appropriately design and implement a feasible study in this very complex patient population. Patient safety is our first priority."
J&J said in a recent quarterly securities filing that "there is no new data supporting the conclusions" of the safety critics. And unpublished data from a new study of the drug in patients undergoing heart-bypass surgery indicated that Natrecor might protect kidneys from damage related to the operations.
But the fact that a large safety study of the drug, known generically as nesiritide, in its primary use to relieve symptoms of hospitalized heart-failure patients, remains undone to date concerns Steven Nissen, an influential cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic who opposed the drug as a member of the expert panel that advised the Food and Drug Administration on the drug's approval five years ago.
Discussing J&J's handling of Natrecor in a recent talk to blood-pressure specialists in New York, Dr. Nissen said: "After the incredibly good fortune of gaining approval of nesiritide with marginal efficacy and safety data, what did its manufacturer do? Did they design and launch a large, well-powered morbidity and mortality trial? No." Instead, he said, the company aggressively marketed Natrecor without performing the research that would settle questions about the drug.
In the absence of more-thorough clinical data on Natrecor, Dr. Nissen said, "there isn't sufficient evidence to support its use."
The controversy highlights the challenges the medical community and regulators often face in coaxing companies to study risks in drugs after they are on the market. There is little incentive for manufacturers to voluntarily mount studies that could uncover or substantiate suspected problems. This is critical because studies performed to gain FDA approval are small in size and short in duration compared with real-world usage by millions of people over many years. Merck & Co.'s withdrawal of Vioxx occurred after cardiovascular troubles emerged by chance in a study that was investigating whether the drug could prevent colon cancer.
The FDA hasn't asked J&J for a safety study of Natrecor. Even the analyses of historical data on Natrecor that stirred debate in the clinical community didn't represent significant new information as far as the agency was concerned. "We didn't think they called the approval into question -- now that's not to say we wouldn't like to see more information," said Robert Temple, director of medical policy in FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.
Some in Congress and a recent report by the Government Accountability Office have faulted the FDA for not being demanding or vigilant enough on post-market studies. One solution proposed by some critics would be to give the FDA the authority to order companies to perform such studies, something the agency can't do routinely under current law.
But even when the FDA does ask for more data or requires additional studies of drugs approved on an express path, companies often don't follow through, FDA data show. The agency can yank a drug from the market if manufacturers don't follow through, but that almost never happens.
FDA Deputy Commissioner Scott Gottlieb defended the current approach and reiterated his view that the agency doesn't need or want unilateral authority to impose such studies on companies. "I think we have the tools we need, but we need to make sure we're using them effectively," he said.

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The best was she that Kim asked her not to tell anyone. I guess her husband or someone she knows works at the company KH was interviewing at. She said KH was kissing her ass to make sure she did not share the info with anyone. Guess that didnt work Kim.

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Tall Blonde... what are you thinking? Be careful. Beware.

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In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ???

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As long as the information is true and not patent or secret company classified info you are fishing. Can you imagine all the dirt that would come up it would be comical. I guess the company would want to know to see if it was true. It is not like it is leaked secrets. Pin Point away.. Just make sure no one pin points right back at ya http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif

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Backatcha!

the following is an excerpt on internet anonymity, from http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_publishers.htm, one of many sites providing informative perspective on the issue.

"Ignorance is no defense – It doesn’t matter if old Aunt Sara never attended a journalism class. If she published juicy gossip without checking the facts, she is wholly responsible.


You are responsible for what you publish - Blog comments are very dangerous because they have been ruled as akin to “Letters to the Editor” and anyone who publishes the anonymous contributions of others has the exact same fact-checking responsibilities as any other publisher. "

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The best was she that Kim asked her not to tell anyone. I guess her husband or someone she knows works at the company KH was interviewing at. She said KH was kissing her ass to make sure she did not share the info with anyone. Guess that didnt work Kim.

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Tall Blonde... what are you thinking? Be careful. Beware.

[/ QUOTE ]

In attempting to maintain anonymity, bloggers have claimed protection under the First Amendment.

Of course, certain speech, like libel and defamation, is not protected.

If identifying an anonymous blogger becomes necessary, here is what a reasonable company may consider:

*Who would have access to the information posted?

*When would the information have been available to the blogger?

*Can the company pinpoint potential targets because of the nature, content and accuracy/noticeable inaccuracies of the information disclosed, use of time sensitive information,

....or other specifically unique aspects that would "fingerprint" the information and allow the company to narrow the focus of its search for the author?

Posting false and defamatory information? Banking on that "anonymous" status to protect you? Ever heard of "Actual Malice" - the publication of defamatory information with 1.) knowledge that it is false, or 2.) reckless disregard as to whether it is true or false. ???

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As long as the information is true and not patent or secret company classified info you are fishing. Can you imagine all the dirt that would come up it would be comical. I guess the company would want to know to see if it was true. It is not like it is leaked secrets. Pin Point away.. Just make sure no one pin points right back at ya http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/shocked.gif

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Backatcha!

the following is an excerpt on internet anonymity, from http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_publishers.htm, one of many sites providing informative perspective on the issue.

"Ignorance is no defense – It doesn’t matter if old Aunt Sara never attended a journalism class. If she published juicy gossip without checking the facts, she is wholly responsible.


You are responsible for what you publish - Blog comments are very dangerous because they have been ruled as akin to “Letters to the Editor” and anyone who publishes the anonymous contributions of others has the exact same fact-checking responsibilities as any other publisher. "

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We thank everyone that has given us feedback about the new posting policy. Some of you have said that people are still afraid that they will be tracked somehow when they register. We want to let you know about the steps that we have taken to protect your anonymity when you register.

When you click the "new user" link, you will see that we have removed the email fields altogether. No email of any kind is required to register. We have also removed any code from the signup process that would capture IP addresses. You have believed us in the past when we have told you that we do not store IP addresses with posts. We had to go through a similar process to prevent IP logging with anonymous posts.

Virtually all message board software is set to record IP addresses with posts (even "unregistered" posts). When cafepharma first opened the boards to unregistered posting, we had to change code in order to disable this IP recording. Cafepharma has never provided identifying information regarding any poster to any outside company. We continue to go to great lengths to protect your anonymity. We feel we have built up trust with you, our users, through these four years, and we ask that you continue to trust us now. We feel honored that you have made cafepharma the place that you feel that you have a voice, and we want you to be assured that this has not changed. You are safe with us.

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Sarah Palmer
webmaster@cafepharma.com

[Anonymous]

We thank everyone that has given us feedback about the new posting policy. Some of you have said that people are still afraid that they will be tracked somehow when they register. We want to let you know about the steps that we have taken to protect your anonymity when you register.

When you click the "new user" link, you will see that we have removed the email fields altogether. No email of any kind is required to register. We have also removed any code from the signup process that would capture IP addresses. You have believed us in the past when we have told you that we do not store IP addresses with posts. We had to go through a similar process to prevent IP logging with anonymous posts.

Virtually all message board software is set to record IP addresses with posts (even "unregistered" posts). When cafepharma first opened the boards to unregistered posting, we had to change code in order to disable this IP recording. Cafepharma has never provided identifying information regarding any poster to any outside company. We continue to go to great lengths to protect your anonymity. We feel we have built up trust with you, our users, through these four years, and we ask that you continue to trust us now. We feel honored that you have made cafepharma the place that you feel that you have a voice, and we want you to be assured that this has not changed. You are safe with us.

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Sarah Palmer
webmaster@cafepharma.com

[Anonymous]

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We thank everyone that has given us feedback about the new posting policy. Some of you have said that people are still afraid that they will be tracked somehow when they register. We want to let you know about the steps that we have taken to protect your anonymity when you register.

When you click the "new user" link, you will see that we have removed the email fields altogether. No email of any kind is required to register. We have also removed any code from the signup process that would capture IP addresses. You have believed us in the past when we have told you that we do not store IP addresses with posts. We had to go through a similar process to prevent IP logging with anonymous posts.

Virtually all message board software is set to record IP addresses with posts (even "unregistered" posts). When cafepharma first opened the boards to unregistered posting, we had to change code in order to disable this IP recording. Cafepharma has never provided identifying information regarding any poster to any outside company. We continue to go to great lengths to protect your anonymity. We feel we have built up trust with you, our users, through these four years, and we ask that you continue to trust us now. We feel honored that you have made cafepharma the place that you feel that you have a voice, and we want you to be assured that this has not changed. You are safe with us.

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Sarah Palmer
webmaster@cafepharma.com

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the following is an excerpt on internet anonymity, from http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_publishers.htm, one of many sites providing informative perspective on the issue.

"Ignorance is no defense – It doesn’t matter if old Aunt Sara never attended a journalism class. If she published juicy gossip without checking the facts, she is wholly responsible.


You are responsible for what you publish - Blog comments are very dangerous because they have been ruled as akin to “Letters to the Editor” and anyone who publishes the anonymous contributions of others has the exact same fact-checking responsibilities as any other publisher. "

[Anonymous]

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We thank everyone that has given us feedback about the new posting policy. Some of you have said that people are still afraid that they will be tracked somehow when they register. We want to let you know about the steps that we have taken to protect your anonymity when you register.

When you click the "new user" link, you will see that we have removed the email fields altogether. No email of any kind is required to register. We have also removed any code from the signup process that would capture IP addresses. You have believed us in the past when we have told you that we do not store IP addresses with posts. We had to go through a similar process to prevent IP logging with anonymous posts.

Virtually all message board software is set to record IP addresses with posts (even "unregistered" posts). When cafepharma first opened the boards to unregistered posting, we had to change code in order to disable this IP recording. Cafepharma has never provided identifying information regarding any poster to any outside company. We continue to go to great lengths to protect your anonymity. We feel we have built up trust with you, our users, through these four years, and we ask that you continue to trust us now. We feel honored that you have made cafepharma the place that you feel that you have a voice, and we want you to be assured that this has not changed. You are safe with us.

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Sarah Palmer
webmaster@cafepharma.com

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Cafepharma is indeed a valuable forum - one that, I would hope, values dissent and complete information as much as it values advertisers and "hits". In the spirit of complete information, I once again offer the following. Thank you, Sarah, for protecting my anonymity.
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Examine carefully the following from Eric Eden's article:
Libel & Defamation in the Information Age

".....There are court cases in progress right now that will decide if access providers such as Prodigy, America Online and Compuserve are responsible for defamatory remarks broadcast over their services, but there is no legal ambiguity about whether individual users can be sued for making defamatory or libelous statements. Individual users are
responsible for making sure the information they distribute is not libelous or defamatory."
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[Anonymous]

Scios Inc. Announces International Outcomes Trial of NATRECOR® (nesiritide)

Landmark trial will be largest, most comprehensive acute heart failure study conducted to date

Fremont, CA (June 1, 2006) – Scios Inc. today announced an international outcomes study involving as many as 7,000 patients designed to further assess the benefits and safety profile of NATRECOR® (nesiritide) in patients with acutely decompensated heart failure. The company plans to make a significant investment to conduct the trial, which is one component of a comprehensive clinical development plan for NATRECOR®. When completed, the outcomes study will be the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind, helping to advance knowledge about a large and critically ill patient population.

"With this landmark trial, we are fulfilling our commitment to do a large outcomes study following the recommendations of an expert panel," said Roger Mills, M.D., vice president, Medical Affairs at Scios Inc. "This trial underscores our confidence in the safety and efficacy of NATRECOR® as a treatment for acutely decompensated heart failure and reflects a major commitment to heart failure patients and the doctors, nurses and pharmacists who help treat these patients. We believe this study will deliver timely, thorough and meaningful data regarding the safety and efficacy of NATRECOR®, and more clearly define the benefit/risk ratio."

In June 2005, Scios Inc. brought together an expert panel of cardiology and heart failure clinicians to provide recommendations regarding NATRECOR®. Chaired by Eugene Braunwald, M.D., distinguished Hersey Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Chairman of the TIMI Study Group at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, the panel assessed important data associated with NATRECOR® and provided guidance and counsel on the ongoing and planned clinical development program for the product, as well as offering recommendations for use. The panel endorsed Scios' plan to conduct several trials, including a large trial of clinical outcomes. In the period since the expert panel provided its recommendations, Scios Inc. has been actively exploring a broad range of trial design options that would meet the goals identified by the panel, as well as other critical goals to further advance knowledge of heart failure.

"I am pleased that Scios is following through on the panel recommendations with such an ambitious trial that will help us learn more about the optimal treatment of acute heart failure, a large unmet medical need that is not adequately served," said Dr. Braunwald.

Heart failure affects nearly five million Americans and is the most frequent cause of hospitalization in patients over 65 years of age. With 550,000 new cases each year, the number of new heart failure cases exceeds those of AIDS, breast cancer or Alzheimer's disease. Acute heart failure results in nearly one million hospitalizations annually – more than the number of patients hospitalized for heart attack – and is responsible for more annual deaths than leukemia, breast, pancreatic and ovarian cancers.

NATRECOR®, with standard therapy, is the only approved treatment for acutely decompensated heart failure that has demonstrated in controlled clinical trials the clinical benefit of improvement of dyspnea and reduction of filling pressure. NATRECOR® has been widely studied in a comprehensive clinical program. To date, it has been studied in 1,529 patients in 14 clinical trials, and additional clinical trials are under way or planned that will collect further data related to mortality and the renal impact of NATRECOR®.

Study Details

The trial will be conducted at centers in the United States, Canada and Europe and involve as many as 7,000 patients with acutely decompensated heart failure. It will evaluate improvement in dyspnea (shortness of breath), rehospitalization, mortality, renal effects, quality of life and pharmacoeconomics.

Patient enrollment is expected to begin in the first quarter of 2007. In the coming months, Scios Inc. will finalize and announce the independent academic research organization that will oversee and execute the trial, including a study chair, principal investigators, DSMB and steering committee. In addition, the company will hold discussions with regulatory authorities about the proposed clinical development plan.

"Acutely decompensated heart failure patients are typically critically ill and often have co-morbidities. Consequently, many considerations were taken into account, including gathering diverse input from heart failure thoughtleaders, reviewing recently conducted clinical trials and assessing guidance from a broad range of regulatory authorities," added Dr. Mills. "This led to our decision to embark upon what will be a landmark trial in the field of acutely decompensated heart failure. Patient safety is our priority, and we are confident that data generated from this study will advance our understanding of the treatment of patients with acutely decompensated heart failure."

About NATRECOR® (nesiritide)

NATRECOR® is indicated for the intravenous treatment of patients with acutely decompensated congestive heart failure who have dyspnea at rest or with minimal activity. In this population, the use of NATRECOR® reduced pulmonary capillary wedge pressure and improved dyspnea. For full Prescribing Information, visit www.natrecor.com. (http://www.natrecor.com.)

[Anonymous]

Wow this site has been infiltrated by corporate. To funny shows they are scared of the info posted. Beware of yourself you clown face... People are laughing at you... You sound scared that the truth may come out... Please visit the other sites on this board, companies better than Scios, this one is tame. I bet the news media would love to pick up on a story about your claims... It would make good bathroom reading... As for J&J they would see this as a major embarassement... As you are. BLAA BLAA BLAA,,, Tell bozo we say hi... I dont think I have read anything on this site that is not factual or well know in the company... Stir away!!!

[Anonymous]

Listen back to our conference call we had on Fiday...explain to the sales force....why all the laughing? At best, it was the most unprofessional group, makes you realize why were barely sellin 4000 vials. I couldn't believe my ears. I know they were excited, but it seems as if they were laughing at jnj AND the sALES TEAM FOR BELIEVING IN THEM AND THIS TRIAL....LISTEN AND TELL ME HOW DIS RESPECTFUL YOU THOUGHT IT WAS!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Listen back to our conference call we had on Fiday...explain to the sales force....why all the laughing? At best, it was the most unprofessional group, makes you realize why were barely sellin 4000 vials. I couldn't believe my ears. I know they were excited, but it seems as if they were laughing at jnj AND the sALES TEAM FOR BELIEVING IN THEM AND THIS TRIAL....LISTEN AND TELL ME HOW DIS RESPECTFUL YOU THOUGHT IT WAS!!!!!

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Sour Grapes you should leave if you're not happy here, NAPA is going to make everything better now. Our jobs are safe, we're back on track. The last vial #s are trending up compared to the week before. We're saved. Thank you management!

[Tyree]

NAPA is solid, but be careful how you use it...it is one VERY slippery slope they have put the sales force on..yet again.

As far as trending...one week does not make trend... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

Of course...IMHO... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

[Anonymous]

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NAPA is solid, but be careful how you use it...it is one VERY slippery slope they have put the sales force on..yet again.

As far as trending...one week does not make trend... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

Of course...IMHO... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

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Tyree,

Please, my sarcasm was meant for the Scios apologist who responds to every post that isn't favorable towards Scios.

When she gets home from a long day of educating physicians on the RUC, we'll see her response. Unless, she accidentally spills koolaid on her keyboard.

Later!

[Anonymous]

obviously the person is no longer with Scios. RUC campaign was the theme when they were employed. Quit crying in your own misery.

[Anonymous]

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obviously the person is no longer with Scios. RUC campaign was the theme when they were employed. Quit crying in your own misery.

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Obviously, RUC is dated because Scios is back to selling off label with NAPA.

[Tyree]

Sigh...I had a feeling it was sarcasm...my bad.. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/confused.gif

As far as the RUC...it is still available and I use it EVERY day to update my new territory.... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/grin.gif

Plus, if you all still checked that area of the home site you would know how I get the numbers SOOO early in the day. Actually, got them last night this week...shade under 4.2k.. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/crazy.gif

Of course...this is IMHO... http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/smirk.gif

[Anonymous]

who is selling off label with NAPA? Provide some substance with your assumptions. NAPA is data that can be retrieved via MedComm if a customer requests it in writing or via phone to medical affairs. RUC was the name of the campaign that we tracked physicians who received the braunwald recommendation and we in turn entered it into the website. Of course we discuss appropriate/recommended use on each of our calls Tyree. The egg slinger is trying to bring up stale rumor bits to create more uncertainty amongst us reps working our tails off to get this drug back on track to where it deserves to be.

[Anonymous]

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who is selling off label with NAPA? Provide some substance with your assumptions. NAPA is data that can be retrieved via MedComm if a customer requests it in writing or via phone to medical affairs. RUC was the name of the campaign that we tracked physicians who received the braunwald recommendation and we in turn entered it into the website. Of course we discuss appropriate/recommended use on each of our calls Tyree. The egg slinger is trying to bring up stale rumor bits to create more uncertainty amongst us reps working our tails off to get this drug back on track to where it deserves to be.

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Yeah, Medcomm form, that's a good one http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

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Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
You are a joke...leave if you feel you are in a bad spot (something Scios cannot control)...quit bashing behind the screen of cafe pharma. You are a poor excuse if you continue to bash and not get out. In addition, you should keep your references to include only yourself, not the entire company....you may have an opinion that is shared by others, but it is the minority when it comes to bashing and making predictions of a doomsday. Good bye now!

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Must suck to be the Scios person who has to monitor this board. Who has the duty this week KH or RSTL maybe DE oh wait he cant spell or read

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Spot on. Scios Sucks. RUN, RUN, RUN! Hey DE, How is your Gulf Coast Weasle sucking RSTL ass kissing, chain smoking, chain drinking doing now? Are you nervous about the orange suit? I hear you'll need to get a boyfriend to protect you in the slammer. May and all your cronies go straight to hell, you ignorant, self-serving, narrow glassed, red faced, close to balled idiot. Get a Life!

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For those who wish to slander others using the "anonymous" nom de plume on CafePharma, consider the following excerpt from The Chronicle (if you are literate enough to read and understand it). hint: THIS MEANS YOU MAY NOT IN FACT BE ANONYMOUS. IS YOUR WORLD GETTING SMALLER? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/ooo.gif

Highlights from: COURT BATTLE OVER PRIVACY IN CHAT ROOMS: NET GROUPS TRY TO STOP COMPANIES THAT WANT IDENTITIES OF DETRACTORS

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, February 8, 2001


Internet privacy advocates are asking a federal court in San Jose to preserve the right to denounce businesses anonymously online.

The forum in dispute is an electronic chat room, one of many created by Internet service providers to let subscribers vent their feelings about a particular business without giving their names.

THE CHAT ROOMS HAVE BEEN MET BY A FLOCK OF SUBPOENAS FROM THE TARGETED COMPANIES OR THEIR EXECUTIVES, ASKING ISPS FOR IDENTITIES OF PEOPLE WHO POSTED ALLEGEDLY FALSE OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.

"If somebody has done something illegal, you should be able to get their name," Gelman said. "You don't have a right to libel anonymously."

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If you want to urge others to be cautious, well, how charitable of you. If you slander others in the process, you may be identified sooner than you think. http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads/images//graemlins/wink.gif

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We thank everyone that has given us feedback about the new posting policy. Some of you have said that people are still afraid that they will be tracked somehow when they register. We want to let you know about the steps that we have taken to protect your anonymity when you register.

When you click the "new user" link, you will see that we have removed the email fields altogether. No email of any kind is required to register. We have also removed any code from the signup process that would capture IP addresses. You have believed us in the past when we have told you that we do not store IP addresses with posts. We had to go through a similar process to prevent IP logging with anonymous posts.

Virtually all message board software is set to record IP addresses with posts (even "unregistered" posts). When cafepharma first opened the boards to unregistered posting, we had to change code in order to disable this IP recording. Cafepharma has never provided identifying information regarding any poster to any outside company. We continue to go to great lengths to protect your anonymity. We feel we have built up trust with you, our users, through these four years, and we ask that you continue to trust us now. We feel honored that you have made cafepharma the place that you feel that you have a voice, and we want you to be assured that this has not changed. You are safe with us.

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Sarah Palmer

[Anonymous]

I feel sorry for the outsider that continues to feel the need to post negatively about individuals at this company. The reason I am responding to your stupid posts is that Scios is a decent company that has done what many other companies would not have done...taken care of ALL OF US while they could...remember hazard pay? increased vial pay-outs? Yeah, you probably wanted more huh? You will probably always have issues with every employer you work for if you fail to recognize that Scios tried everything it could under the conditions to make our lives as CVS's as stable as possible. Scios is no different than any other biotech/pharma company in that SH*T happens in our industry that sometimes requires reorganizations and downsizing. Those who have good work ethic and put in 100% effort will be fine, those who sit around and look for excuses...well it sounds like you.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know what if anything became of that medreviews agency???

My one dealing with them a few years back had me running to the hills before I ever got near them. Sleazy to a degree I have never encountered before. A total front/scam for the MD directors if I ever saw one.

[Anonymous]

20,000 vials vs 3,500 vials WOW! Doing something right