What five aspects of Sun Pharma that are really great?

Discussion in 'Sun Pharma' started by anonymous, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:43 PM.

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  1. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    So...
    Most of the chatter on here is really negative (like most of CP). But some of it is very truthful, and in a scary "only an insider would know" kind of way. But, we get the occasional troll who loves working for Sun. I find the company to be dishonest, the management arrogant, and many employees disillusioned. So I would like to be enlightened. What does Sun do better that other companies in the US, and what makes you stay?
     

  2. anonymous

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    Secret is out! People stay because there’s zero accountability. You don’t have to work and get paid for it! There’s so many people leaving they can’t afford to get rid of dead weight. Even managers don’t work.
     
  3. anonymous

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    I'll try to stay on point and answer the OP, and comment on the previous post.

    Objectively, honestly, there is nothing about Sun that's attractive. That said, there is just a handful (5-7?) of really good people who remain. Speaking here of the home office, bc I used to travel there with some frequency.

    Of those still there (who have any real talent), a couple are actively looking, and a couple have to stay because their resumes and future job prospects are linked to having launch experience. One has handcuffs on related to needing to hit the two-year mark, and another would have to repay a sizable sign-on bonus which is for two years (one year left on that). So they're both there fir another year.

    Another ... I can't imagine why he's still there - he's got a ton of talent and he's a really good person. Has a couple of loyalists on his team (it's not Derm).

    The comraderie in the company has literally evaporated.

    Now, to the previous post- I do believe there's accountability, but that's where your second point comes into play. There are so many people leaving / have already left, that Sun isn't addressing the underperformers. They can't afford to.

    HR is doing everything to try to fill the bucket but there's 'resistance' in joining the company because people know of the horrible culture. Sun is cancerous, no pun intended. Word is out.

    I know of four people that recently joined because they were long term unemployed. Three of them openly speak about parking at Sun just till something else comes along. That's the kind of talent being hired. That's all the company can get.
     
  4. anonymous

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    To the OPs point, there's a surprising amount of real insight about Sun in these threads. This isn't just some disgruntled reps from Iowa to Alabama. Much, much more pervasive.

    I think that's a reflection on the breadth of the deep dissatisfaction as the comments are from across BUs and functions, though primarily Derm.

    Given the size of the company the only other add is that relatively speaking, there's A LOT of chatter about Sun here. Perhaps again that ties to the above points.
     
  5. anonymous

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    The only thing I hear on this thread is crickets.

    No one there who is honest, could look another person in the eye, a person who is decent and trying to provide for themselves and their family, and say "yes, this is a good place to work: there is a career path, you are treated with respect and fairness, the culture is positive, the company cares about the quality of products it produces, it conducts business with honesty and integrity and it genuinely cares about patients and employees"

    I truly believe not a single one of those boxes could be checked, and like the OP here, I'm completely open to hearing something that's positive about this company.
     
  6. anonymous

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    There is no positive. Company is a horrible company. No morals or ethics. No such thing as doing the right thing here. Scum of scum. Dirty pigs that tolerate sexual harassment and other awful law breaking things. As for the jerks who lie and tell you this is a good place....karma will catch them. They know who they are and how they can look at themselves in the mirror each day is beyond me. A@$holes.
     
  7. anonymous

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    The company is so cheap that the employee lounge (where you eat the lunch* you brought), wasn't complete after moving in well over a year ago. There was also supposed to be a small workout room. Neither room was completed because they want you eating at your workstation. And gawd forbid you were to jump on a treadmill if the workout room was completed) - back to work ! "Get back to work" Abhay barks as he walks the parking lot hacking on Mumbai's version of a Camel cigarette (cough-cough). And don't forget to swipe in and out each time you enter or exit the building. Only then can he manipulate the security system produced Excel sheets to determine who's giving him less than 40 hours a week. That's part-time work. No bonus for you!

    * the local construction site food trucks don't even stop by anymore because most bring their own spicy shit food from home. And man, it stinks up the whole building ! And the bathrooms ??? They look like Syria after a bombing. Total destruction.

    Time to leave the little phone booth now and saddle in for the second half of the day.

    Eff'd up, just eff'd up here.
     
  8. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    5 things great about Sun:
    1-nothing
    2-nothing
    3-nothing
    4-nothing
    5-NOT WORKING THERE!!!!
     
  9. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Geez. No positive responses yet?

    I would say the pay is good.
     
  10. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Well, 'it depends'.
    Sun is now having to really pay up on getting people to join, and more specifically to join for Tildra.
    The future of the drug and the company is unclear, so the market dictates a risk premium. Even among those unemployed.
     
  11. anonymous

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    I'd say what's written here so far is accurate. Nothing positive at all.

    It's the company where the long term unemployed land.
     
  12. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    The OP put forth a sincere, valid question.

    Surprising (?) that no one can come up with 1 thing Sun has going ?

    Please - no wisecracks and let's keep this thread in tact and address the original question.
     
  13. anonymous

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    Jeez ... nothing good about Sun ?

    What's good is that the CEO will return to India as an absolute failure. The way he addresses us, the few times, you can just tell he's psycho. There's something behind the facade, and ... you can tell he's just a complete asshole. No one ever says anything good about him.
     
  14. anonymous

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    Sun taught me a valuable lesson

    You actually can pay people to step on peoples necks even when your only reason for stepping on their necks was due to the India tyrants making you do so. It means the high percentage of Pharma leadership are a bunch of fake assholes.

    I mean do you really like and respect Lynch? He is India’s bitch. Did you respect Fabrii? Did you for one second respect Jesper the Jester?

    And the list goes on. And most all of them are gone. PeterPankins and his fake family stories and Monzon the wannabe suck up.

    So what you learned is. REAL BIG STUPID TYRANT ASSHOLES from India can buy medium level assholes and force them to treat people like shit and then the big assholes still kick to the curb the medium assholes.

    Now that is the good thing I learned being at Sun. Trust no one in Pharma.
     
  15. anonymous

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    It took time for many of us to realize the true colors of these people. The jig is up. Imposters. Never again.
     
  16. anonymous

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    First, you have to grow up and then let go of the anger man. It's eating you up. Let it go.

    A year /year and a half ago, Sun was in a good place. Recruiting people with a definite positive future, unlike the situation now, where people are being misled and lied to.

    Sun onboarded about 125 people, had people in just about every role. Were there a couple of bad hires or a function not operating 100 right ? Sure, that goes with growth like that. No one stepped on anyone's neck. Many were actually very favorably surprised to see how honorably people had been treated early during all that change.

    Overall, things were running well.

    And then things changed in the Spring and the very ugly Indian head appreared "we will do it in the US the way we do it in India".

    And so the slip into failure began and it seems as if it's accelerating.

    #gettgefuckoutofhere
     
  17. anonymous

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    Agreed. For all the bashing it was not a bad place when I started. I liked it. They hired good people. But then everything became evident last summer. Most of the good people either left, are looking, or are gritting their teeth due to contract restraints. The new hires seem weak.
     
  18. anonymous

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    no anger

    Was just telling you what Sun taught me.

    It was funny watching all those mentioned acting like they were the long term leaders when in fact they were sent packing too

    I remember Jane from HR talking about how the great the culture was.

    #drinkingthekoolaid
     
  19. anonymous

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    I really believe that things were clearly moving in the right direction and then as the previous poster said, it all changed last summer.

    I'm in the home office and the changed has been beyond palpable. I'm here, I've got my reasons and my timeline so I can grunt it out for the little more time that I need to.
    I do think those that were here were in fact very strong leaders and from what I saw, they were starting to gel. We're honest and called each other BS when appropriate. All in the spirit of doing what was best.

    But wow - this guy now is just crazy. Eery look in his eyes, dark. Everyone hates him and business results are suffering bc of him.

    Dilip messed up on that one.
     
  20. anonymous

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    ok but please understand something.

    It was good last summer or better in the past as far as a “job” goes. As far as a workplace cooperative environment. Yes kumbaya and all was going on. Ok great.


    The SCENARIO of FACTS you all are missing is

    Sun Pharma has nothing in the bag that warranted hiring 30 market access people, 15 internal brand team personnel, 20 home office support, increased sales head count.

    They were and are still surviving on Ranbaxy money from absorica and the steroids.

    From a drug company perspective the organization was doomed for failure and a tyrant leader team because Dilips ego and his riverboat gambler mentality and price gauging style thought it could win.

    WRONG

    They over soeant on consulting. They over spent on personnel. They over spent on false thinking.

    So whatever positive you experienced in the past was just a Pharma facade that was INEVITABLY going to catch up to its reality of doom.

    The drug business is built on smart proper strategy and forecasting. NOT on Mr India and his riverboat dream.

    You reap what you sow.