What's your perception of pharma vs insurance companies?

Discussion in 'Ask Dr. Dave' started by Anonymous, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:58 AM.

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  1. Anonymous

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    Dr. Dave,
    Why is your thread so inactive? Your such a great resource.
    With the government shutdown ridiculousness & Express Scripts recent decision to block access to many often prescribed branded rxs my frustration with our dysfunctional political system is heightened. It affects us at a personal level when it hits our ability to receive the care our physicians think is best.
    Do you think physicians are aware of how much the insurance companies they contract with are preventing them from prescribing what they think is best for their patients? Do docs generally know why most drugs are not on formulary with any given plan? (rebates?, profits of generic vs branded even after rebate?).
    Do docs know the health plans lobby against them? The dialysis "conspiracy"?
     

  2. DrDave

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    I suspect most physicians (myself included) know very little about the specifics of insurance company formulary decisions and negotiations. Also, with the number of employed physicians growing ever larger, fewer of us give much consideration to the policies of the companies with whom we contract because it's not really our decision (unless we want to quit our job entirely over it). You know us doctors - we'd rather complain about it than think about it! :)

    I hope you don't feel I'm evading your question, but here's my take-

    These issues are just a result of the bizarre third party payor marketplace health care has become. Once upon a time, health insurance was like homeowner's insurance or car insurance - it protected you in a catastrophe, otherwise it paid nothing. A real marketplace dictated the price of drugs, office visits and even minor procedures. Now behind the scenes negotiations, rebates, and contractual adjustments have completely removed that very basic, extremely important marketplace experience in which a patient can decide whether a non-urgent, elective medication or intervention is worth the price. I'm sure some backroom deals are sketchier than others, but they're a symptom, not the disease. A third party payor system subsidized by our government is the problem. (IMO, not just in the sense of lobbying and collusion but also including the employer based tax incentives that started this mess spiraling out of control 30 or 40 years ago by moving health insurance from catastrophic to pseudo-pre-paid health care.)

    Thanks for your compliment and your questions, though I'm not sure how satisfied you'll be with my answer.
     
  3. Anonymous

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    Satisfied, thenks Dr. Dave. I still don't get why you get so few questions. Do you ever read the "company threads?"
    What are a few of your favorite NOT generic drugs & why are you a fan?
     
  4. DrDave

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    Thanks for your post. Maybe I'll throw out some branded medications that I keep as samples as, in general, samples are branded meds that I consider unique and important enough to have on hand for consistent use in various situations. This is not an exhaustive list, but the first that come to mind. You (and others) can chime in if there is specific interest in why I regard one or more of them as particularly valuable or if you wonder if I intentionally decline to stock something specific.

    Advair
    Symbicort
    Spiriva
    Tudorza
    Cymbalta
    Victoza
    Bydureon
    Levemir
    Bystolic
    Viibryd
    Dexilant
     
  5. Anonymous

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    OMG you listed Victoza & Bystolic! You're definitely one to go against the grain if you believe a med delivers more, aren't you? Right on Doc!
     
  6. DrDave

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    Can you elaborate/clarify re: the Victoza/Bystolic comment? I hope you don't mind my asking you to do so, but in the past on Cafepharma, I've misinterpreted sincerity for sarcasm and vice versa. Either way, thanks for your post; I just want to make sure I understand your perspective.
     
  7. Anonymous

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    No sarcasm intended, just my humble opinion that these two meds (BYS/VIC) offer significant advantages for patients depute the fact that they're in markets/disease states with tons of competition and are branded when there are many generic options. As a rep, I believe that despite the fact the the FDA is a CYA political organization, meds that are often referred to as "me too" are no such thing. Bystolic is much different than it's BB predecessors. It's endothelial dependent vasodilation and blood pressure reductions are amazing in the right patients. Victoza also can give mind blowing A1C reductions vs older & DPP-4 inhibitors. It's also my opinion that Victoza's delivery system & QD anytime dosing increases compliance. I don't rep either drug though I did launch Bystolic.
     
  8. DrDave

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    Thanks for the clarification!

    Yes, I think these two meds are unique enough that there is a small but significant patient population for whom they are a great fit. They are not "me too" drugs in the way I think of them, although, I must confess that it took me while to come to that conclusion about Bystolic.