Davinci- what a scam

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  1. anonymous

    anonymous Guest


    I found another bullet for the gun!


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28700443/

    "We found that it was common for payments from Intuitive to be undeclared in robotic surgery articles. Mechanisms for accountability in COI (conflict of interest) reporting need to be put into place by journals to achieve appropriate transparency to those reading the journal article."

    "Risk factors were assessed for an association with undeclared payments at the author and study level."

    "Studies that had undeclared payments from Intuitive were more likely to recommend robotic surgery compared with those that declared funding (odds ratio 4.29, 95% confidence interval 2.55-7.21)."

    "Accurate conflict of interest (COI) statements are important, as a known COI may invalidate study results due to the potential risk of bias."

    A "KNOWN" C.O.I. CAN INVALIDATE? WHAT ABOUT "HIDDEN" C.O.I?



    DA VINCI WHAT A SCAM!
     

  2. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    wow
     
  3. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    WOW!
     
  4. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Wowawewo!
     
  5. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    MAUDE - Manufacturer and User Facility Device Experience


    • 275 records meeting your search criteria returned- Manufacturer: intuitive surgical Event Type: Death Report Date From: 01/01/2000 Report Date To: 09/22/2017

    Manufacturers and importers must submit reports when they become aware of information that reasonably suggests that one of their marketed devices may have caused or contributed to a death or serious injury or has malfunctioned and the malfunction of the device or a similar device that they market would be likely to cause or contribute to a death or serious injury if the malfunction were to recur. Manufacturers must send reports of such deaths, serious injuries and malfunctions to the FDA. Importers must send reports of deaths and serious injuries to the FDA and the manufacturer, and reports of malfunctions to the manufacturer.
     
  6. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    What Do Robots and Racists Have in Common? Automation and the politics (TO THE JURY) What do robots and racists have in common? Disaffection.
    The election of Donald J.Trump was only a preview of coming attractions. Automation, both through robotics, and artificial intelligence (AI), are the economic force driving American fascist funders of the politicians.
    Their dark view of humanity goes well beyond Nazi and KKK cries for a white homeland. They want a “new” America, complete with its own revised Constitution, and a lot fewer “inferior” poor whites and people of color. Sounds like a lunatic fantasy? Maybe. Then again, who thought Trump was a serious presidential candidate?
    In a recent interview on Pod Save America, Hillary Clinton noted:
    “Remember the Right Wing, aided and funded by the Mercers, Koch brothers, etc, is very serious about calling a Constitutional Convention. They need thirty-four states. Last I checked, they were at like twenty-eight, twenty-nine. Part of their gerrymandering is to control state legislatures, elect Republican governors, and to call a Constitutional Convention and, if you really get deep into what they are advocating, limits on the First Amendment, no limits on the Second Amendment, limits on criminal justice... I mean there is a very insidious right-wing agenda.”
    There is more to that agenda than you, Mrs. Clinton, and most Democrats, for that matter, are aware.
    Alt-Right funder Robert Mercer is a dark, white-power genius. He made hundreds of millions in the hedge fund game, but he began with patented programming in voice recognition used as part of the IBM AI called Watson. Mercer is the smarter version of the guy at Google who was fired for his anti-woman, racist dog-whistling anti-diversity memo, because he built up billions to put his money where his mouth is.
    What robots are to physical labor, AIs like Watson are to intellectual and process labor. They can free humanity from a lot of drudge work in almost every avenue of our endeavors.
    Watson can generate legal contracts, read radiological materials, empower a handful of doctors in massive robotic surgery suites, plan crops and harvests, and much, much more.
    AI also has a darker side. Mercer used code to create and unleash “bots” posing as real people into social media to spread alt-right propaganda during both Brexit and the U.S. election.
    Their mission? To disaffect and manipulate the voting franchise of a lot of blue collar and middle-income white voters who are being permanently unemployed, using the very same technology that unemployed them. Not scary enough? “But WAIT!” as they say on infomercials. “There’s MORE!”
    The Kochs, Mercers, and other major funders of AltRight and Tea Party fascism are largely Social Darwinsts. To their world view, they are wealthy and superior by genetic design. Everyone else serves them, at their pleasure.
    The drive to break Obamacare, its last ugly push being the Graham-Cassidy is the first of many pink slips to the human race. With little or no need for humans’ participation in the means of production, the majority of the American workforce is increasingly not necessary.
    Robots & AI, not foreigners or exporting jobs have quietly been replacing you. 45% of working-age Americans are already permanently unemployed. That’s 91.2M Americans. People who physically can’t work, stay at home to take care of others, or have given up any hope of finding a job.
    If you think that your education, profession or position protects you, think again. AI and robotics will replace or eliminate the need for millions of:

    • Professionals - Doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers, pharmacists, bankers, brokers, analysts, and dozens of other high-paying professionals
    • High Paying Skilled Jobs - All drivers, brick layers, construction workers, surgical nurses, grocery clerks, IT technicians, and other good paying jobs.
    People who lose those jobs will not find new ones, especially if politicians break the Affordable Care Act.
    • Older workers will struggle to survive - High insurance premiums that make them unattractive hires. Pre-existing conditions and co-pays will eventually drive anyone turning 50 into financial stress and/or poverty. Companies won’t invest in retraining for remaining new jobs someone with such high costs.
    • New jobs will require skill-sets that many people will either lack, lack interest, or ability in learning. New jobs created by technology will not replace enough of the old ones. Many people will not have the skills for higher paying jobs. Few welders will become coders.
    Why is no one in authority, or the media, having a serious, grown-up discussion about the most existential threat to the future of humanity behind Trump’s nuclear brinksmanship, global warming and a giant comet ending life on the planet?
    How will humanity define itself when work, and income from work, are no longer a possibility for 80% or more of us? Instead of discussing existential threats to humanity, technological unemployment and global warming, we fill our airwaves with junk-food news: Emails and Trump-Russia and GOP threats to kill millions of the working poor by eliminating their access to health care.
    This is not a can that politicians can kick down the road. More than 73% of CEOs recently surveyed by IBM stated that AI will play a “key role” in their businesses, with 50% pushing to adopt it by 2019.
    Forbes estimates that 15% to 30% of the existing labor force will be impacted. Add that to the 45% already permanently unemployed and more than 60% to 75% of the working-age American population will be unemployed by mid-century.
    So what do we do with all of the people?
    There are two versions of the future. The one owned by the Robot Robber Barons, and a humanist-globalist world view that, right now, has no leadership in the United States or the UK, no focus, no economic or political power promoting it, and no voice in government or public policy.
    Without those white hats we see the outcomes of little hope and no future:

    • No jobs, no purpose, and fear;
    • Epidemic substance abuse,
    • High suicide rates
    • Neofascism
     
  7. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    What Do Robots and Racists Have in Common? (...continued)
    Which is why so many Americans are highly susceptible to the xenophobic and racial dog whistles spoon fed them by Fox Propaganda and the powerful network of political entities that the Robot Robber Barons have deployed.
    MAGA, Make America Great Again, is a big lie. Like Davinci Surgery by Intuitive Surgical, Mr. Mercer and the Kochs use the same people, whose throats they will gleefully cut, to troll their message now, but, as AI has proven in the Trump election, you can emulate an ignorant racist troll on Twitter and Facebook just fine.
    We have choices. We can continue to let the wealthy puppeteers pit us against one another, distract and divide the entire political and social fabric of the leading nations of the world or we can start tuning out the daily distractions, the Trump outrages and the emails, and the rest of the shiny objects used to draw off the media and the public debate on important subjects like defective robotic technology and global warming and the rights of man around the globe.
    We need a media that will pull itself out of the distraction machine and focus on reporting the bigger picture.
    Disaffect. Distract. Divide. Dominate
    We have one weapon, you the jury are our votes to take our governments back, return experts and thinkers to purposeful discussions about how to deal with surgical robotics, AI, global warming, and the other pressing issues that are about to crush us.
    The Robot Robber Barons have decades of execution and billions in the game, to win. You didn’t think it was possible for them to install a puppet like Donald Trump in the White House? Get votes for Brexit?
    Wait until they use a Constitutional Convention to turn America into their fascist nirvana. They only need three more states to get there.
    America is hurtling towards a Blade Runner-style future with a permanent human underclass that struggles to survive in a world where technology has left it behind.
    This is not a movie.
    This is not a joke.
    This is not a far off problem.
    You the jury, need to see it. You need to demand action, and accountability from your political leaders and medical device executives. Your life, your future, and your children’s futures absolutely depend on you fighting back and casting your vote here and make an example here in this case.
    Waiting for someone else to do it for you is not an option.
    You are the white hats ladies and gentlemen of the jury.

    -DWAS
     
  8. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Blade Runner!
     
  9. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    "Do you want to follow who's right? Let me share my travels because they may not lead that way.
    Please let your curiosity of knowledge lead you. But remember, to sip along that way."-sip



    Go Dwas
     
  10. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    MAUDE - Manufacturer and User Facility Device Experience


    Manufacturers and importers must submit reports when they become aware of information that reasonably suggests that one of their marketed devices may have caused or contributed to a death or serious injury or has malfunctioned and the malfunction of the device or a similar device that they market would be likely to cause or contribute to a death or serious injury if the malfunction were to recur. Manufacturers must send reports of such deaths, serious injuries and malfunctions to the FDA. Importers must send reports of deaths and serious injuries to the FDA and the manufacturer, and reports of malfunctions to the manufacturer.
     
  11. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    ISIS slim


    anybody that works for them are subject.
     
  12. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfmaude/results.cfm

    276 records meeting your search criteria returned- Manufacturer: intuitive Event Type: Death Report Date From: 01/01/2000 Report Date To: 09/26/2017

    500 records meeting your search criteria returned. Manufacturer: intuitive Event Type: Injury Report Date From: 01/01/2000 Report Date To: 09/26/2017 The results are incomplete - please narrow your search. (500 is maximum storage limit)

    500 records meeting your search criteria returned. Manufacturer: intuitive Event Type: Malfunction Report Date From: 01/01/2000 Report Date To: 09/26/2017 The results are incomplete - please narrow your search. (500 is maximum storage limit)

    500 records meeting your search criteria returned. Manufacturer: intuitive Event Type: Other Report Date From: 01/01/2000 Report Date To: 09/26/2017 The results are incomplete - please narrow your search. (500 is maximum storage limit)

    68 records meeting your search criteria returned- Manufacturer: intuitive Event Type: NoAnswerProvided Report Date From: 01/01/2000 Report Date To: 09/26/2017


    example: "The patient was having a laparoscopic da vinci robotic assisted resection and removal of a 20 cm pelvic mass. Two things occurred: a esu monopolar cable fire; activation of the bipolar instrument without user input/activation - surgeon not in console at the time of the bipolar activation. The patient sustained a burn on her small bowel in the area where the fenestrated bipolar instrument was being used as a blunt retractor of the small bowel. This resulted in a small bowel resection with anastomosis."

     
  13. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Anyone can contact the FDA via email and request the full report. Last time I did this the file came in Microsoft Excel format and was over 155 gigs to download. It also took 17 hours to complete and wasted one spare hard drive. The file is so large, it will crash most home computers. In 2015 the FDA reported over 18500 records of injuries and/or malfunctions due to the Davinci robot alone. The list for "other" was not available due to its large size... Some of the results have been posted on this site. (about 700 to 800 pages back)

    After the FDA inspection of the injury prone company and after three formal warnings, Intuitive Surgical was criticized for not properly listing adverse events properly (listing deaths as "other" etc.) and in many cases not reporting them at all.

    Intuitive Surgical, Inc. constantly brags about their procedure growth but never discloses the adverse effects. In many cases they do not have too. ISI includes international cases in their procedure count to investors, yet there ARE NO reporting requirements for international adverse effects!

    Deaths reported in the U.S. have increased over 266% since 2013 while procedures have only grown annually at 15% -17%.

    Davinci What a Scam? - That's an understatement.
     
  14. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Like Leonardo da Vinci, virtually none of his inventive ideas were implemented. Intuitive dreams that their technology compares to Leonardo's. They do have something in common. Ironically, his scientific writings were largely unknown until centuries later. Intuitive's massive adverse event totals too were not discovered until years later. coincidence?

    Another thing they have in common...


    Leonardo, in the year 1476, was accused of sodomy; (case dropped for lack of evidence).

    Intuitive, In the year 2018, will be sodomized (case has merit due to evidence)



    The DaVinci needs WATSON to count it's defective mistakes? WOW
     
  15. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    hmm
     
  16. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Gerald Darringer Obituary - Spring Valley, NY | The Journal News
    www.legacy.com/obituaries/lohud/obituary.aspx?pid=182279725
    Nov 3, 2016 - Darringer, Gerald Gerald (Jerry) Darringer, 75, of Thiells, New York, passed away on October 22, 2016. Jerry was a loving father and husband, ...





    Darringer et al v. Intuitive Surgical, Inc.

    Case #: 4:15-cv-00300
    Friday, April 28, 2017

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    3 pgs notice Notice of Voluntary Dismissal Fri 10:44 PM
    NOTICE of Voluntary Dismissal Stipulated Voluntary Dismissal under Settlement Fed. R. Civ. P. 41(a)(1)(A)(ii) by Carol Darringer, Gerald Darringer (Weinmann, Steven) (Filed on 4/28/2017)
     
  17. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    To: U.S. Attorneys office,

    These settlements are unfortunately poor decisions from a public health perspective and from the standpoint of ethics and justice. But, given that most malpractice attorneys are focused on the dollar payout and minimizing risk to their coffers, I suppose it’s predictable.

    Specifically, because the internal documents provided to the plaintiffs likely demonstrated that the ISI company had specific and detailed knowledge of the deadly risk’s caused by DaVinci robot. In fact, the plaintiff’s lawyer had made allusion to this effect in personal communications with my attorneys. Of course, these documents will now not be made public as part of the settled cases, because along with the settlement comes a legally binding gag order.

    Out of sight, out of mind!

    But, not so fast. ISI executives had knowledge of the deadly risks posed by a product they continued to market for years in the United States. And it is an established fact that hundreds, if not thousands of women, across the United States and abroad were harmed or killed because of this dangerous product.

    In fact, if ISI executives had specific knowledge of the deadly risks of their product, they also had a legal duty under federal law to report the problem to FDA. But, it’s also a fact that it wasn’t until 2013 that ISI reported the deadly hazard to FDA.

    To be clear, when a corporation violates legal duty it has under federal law, and this violation leads to avoidable deaths of unsuspecting Americans, a crime has been committed. Most criminal prosecutors worth their salt call it “negligent homicide”.

    It’s doubtful that ISI, being a well established medical device company, having this one and only product, and its lawyers were unaware of their legal duty to report device flaws and dangers to FDA. But, why didn’t they? I think, like in many other examples of corporate misconduct, it was an absence of humility, or utilitarian thinking, that led to their legally and ethically negligence conduct.

    Of course, it is now a well established fact that this medical device sparks electricity in women when used by gynecologists to perform “minimally invasive” hysterectomy and other operations. But ISI knew about this problem long before others and FDA alerted the public.

    Since FDA contraindicated the use of this device in women in, hundreds of complaints have been filed against ISI across the nation. The settlements in California was very unfortunate because the documents demonstrating ISI illegal and negligent behavior will now be unavailable to the public, or to the US attorneys offices. It’s a near certainty that ISI and its lawyers know that their internal documents are damning will be judged as being criminal —especially if exposed to the public eye. Why else would they make such a large settlements? The answer is simple. They know that they are in an indefensible position — so their lawyers are doing damage control to protect the corporate hierarchy. But, in fact, they are doing so by abusing the civil court system’s leeway in allowing settlements, and they are acting on the knowledge that most people will keep their mouths shut for money’s sake to cover up a corporate crime against America’s public health. This, is why the US attorney simply must investigate.

    What’s more, these same ISI attorneys who are anxiously settling the company’s DaVinci Robot cases have simultaneously obtained some heavy duty protective orders from the courts, to prevent us from even seeing their internal documents under a confidentiality agreement.

    Despite their flimsy legal maneuvering, they fully understand that unlike other ISI plaintiffs, my intent is not only to pursue civil liability charges against them on behalf of my family, but to also trigger a criminal investigation by the US attorneys office and drive the companies action in withdrawing this deadly device from the market. This company deserves to be scrutinized for criminal wrong-doing — because their negligence has, without a question, caused many deaths and a lot of grief for American families across the nation.

    The arithmetic in the case against ISI for marketing its DaVinci Robot in the United States is really very simple. The company executives, and especially the company’s matriarch, Gary Guthart knew about a deadly hazard posed by their medical device for a long time — but they failed to report it to FDA, as was their legal duty under federal law. Their device was marketed extensively and used on hundreds of thousands of women across the world — and still is. According to FDA, robotic surgery exposes one out of who knows how many of these women to a totally avoidable mortality risk from electricity leaks from poor designs and lack of testing — and many unsuspecting men and women in the US and abroad have died horrific and unnecessary deaths as a result.

    It’s sad when corporate hubris and legal ineptitude by corporate lawyers causes a company capable of doing great good to fall. But when negligent corporate behavior leads to American deaths, a crime has been committed.

    With this writing, for the record, I am requesting that the US attorneys office look keenly at ISI and begin an investigation for criminal wrongdoing and negligent homicide by the ISI company — it is the DoJ’s high duty to hold any person or entity that threatens the safety and security of the American public to account. Even more so when that entity causes the avoidable deaths of likely hundreds of US citizens.

    -Magnus Robotfighter
     
  18. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Go DWAS
     
  19. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    I'm sure Brian Ross was very excited to let DWAS take credit for his writing.
     
  20. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Who cares who wrote it? The jury?

    DWAS ain't here for credit. It's to discuss.

    This is just one possibility.

    It bothered you so much that you did some research?

    Ha ha