Responsive knee

any info??

 

the market has been highly unresponsive to the knee. surgeons utilizing are consultants who only do the minimum amount to satisfy their contracts, then they continue to use their preferred TKA vendor (depuy, zimmer, etc.). this was a bad pickup by medtronic in an effort to showcase their "value based" healthcare. the RTG leadership has been over their head from the second it was purchased from kohrs. the hip will not save this business line either.

 

Not true on the surgeons users.

Other stuff you’re 2/3ds right.

 

thanks omar.

 

Silly to think a generic knee with no market share can grow in a market as mature as recon total joints.

 

The idea has potential in the future but the time isn't right, RTG is not skilled to implement. Once we can start winning "value based" contracts with our current products in established health systems, ortho would be a nice addition. Correct, RTG is over their head for now. Hope they can get it right down the road.

 

You can't start from 0 market share. Buying your way in doesn't work.

 

There are not 10 of these implanted a month to this point. It is a joke.

 

Garbage knee. Only shitty non-AdvaMed companies like TJO can "sell" these basic TKAs. "sell" = MDs invest in the company and take on risk so the company can pay unlimited dividends. Medtronic model is way ahead of its time.

 

First and only one went in last week at our hospital. Surgeon just using a hospital patient to see if he could implant it in his ASC patients. Case was kind of a mess, as the rep wasn't particularly knowledgable, and the doc had a difficult time sizing/balancing the knee.....but he still says he's going to try a few at his ASC. Some guys willing to trade patient care for $$$. My guess is that he continues to use Depuy for everything done at the hospital.

Nothing new, really.

 

You device fucks sound like robots. Come to Pharma and get out of the minor leagues dickwads.

 

You’re correct since it’s based off DePuy. Should be an easy transition.

 

Imagine being a middle aged pill rep.

Yikes.

 

Well, if they copied the Attune BP, it won't last long.

Look, this is going to get used sporadically in small pockets. I don't see long-term viability as a disruptive force within the market. How does a rep go to a surgeon using robotics or premium implant systems from Stryker or Zimmer and get him to switch all of his business over to a limited knee with zero clinical data?

Medtronic is banking on compliance from hospital systems, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Do any of you(Medtronic reps included) want this pig's ear product with it's 5 sizes and central referencing femoral design implanted in your family member?

I didn't think so.

 

You seem to be semi knowledgeable. based on Pfc sigma. Clinical data? How many premium implants and robotics have 10-year clinical? Don’t most point to their previous systems?

 

I have just started seeing this in one of my markets & they actually seem to be picking up some steam. The docs who want to build a business seem pretty open to it for some of their patients and the cases have gone well from what I’ve heard. A surgeon I work with told me it’s an improved version of the sigma and that he feels comfortable with the long term data from the predicate device.
Will be interesting to see if Medtronic really goes at this hard - they still only have a primary knee. Will be interesting to see if they make an acquisition to have a full bag.