Is pharma sales even worth it anymore?

Discussion in 'Syneos Health' started by anonymous, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:14 AM.

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  1. anonymous

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    I’m Asian ;)
     

  2. anonymous

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    sometimes?

    women always get the first class treatment too.
     
  3. anonymous

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    Very true. I would not recommend this industry to any recent graduates. It's interesting how every story is the same, "it started out great 20 years ago, but..." I was laid off after 6 years (which is now considered a long time with one company ) and have been unemployed for over 6 months. I feel as if I may never work again. The money is not that great anymore either. Previous experience is not appreciated by hiring managers. It's just awful.
     
  4. anonymous

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    Its embarrassing to see that the "leadership" at Syneos wanted some important and truthful comments about their company taken down.

    This website is also a joke.

    Listen up kids: stay away from big corporations. Keep your creativity and integrity in tact.
     
  5. anonymous

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    CafePharma takes post down? I didn't think they did w/ the exception of using threatening or actual names that might appear to slanderous.
     
  6. anonymous

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    This is so true. Also, when I go on LinkedIn anymore my feed is clogged by recruiters and all their silly posts as if they are in the know. It's a revolving door, It takes know skill anymore to find a candidate because experience is not important. Warm bodies, I actually had a recent manager ask the district if anyone knew someone that wanted a job so he didn't have to work to find a new hire. These recruiters might as well just throw the resumes up into the air and pick the first one they grab because that's what the industry has turned into.
     
  7. anonymous

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    Why is every pharma company trying to get recent college grads? Lilly still has sales interns coming in and doing rotations, but pharma is dying. It’s maddening
     
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  9. anonymous

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    Worth it? Well from a salary growth viewpoint it is not....Family member was a rep in the stone ages , no cell, text, computer, 1 rep per territory, type and snail mail a report of your calls 1xweek.. sample accountability - what's that? let your buddy take what he needs out of your trunk....

    His salary with commission was $80,000 (oh sure you make that or better right!!) well google up what $80,000 in 1980 is valued at in today, 2018 dollars = over $250,000! anybody making that today?? this was a rep just calling on country docs and a few small hospitals...basically the salary for this career is on downward path
     
  10. anonymous

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    The average salary in America is 30k. You sound entitled.
     
  11. anonymous

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    -$100k per year potential
    -A nearly free car with gas and maintenance paid for
    -free meals on a daily basis
    -limited supervision

    That’s a lot better than most jobs
     
  12. anonymous

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    Dude, it depends on your age, this is not a long term career anymore. I got 22 years in in my 50’s just holding on for a few more years. My daughter is 21 and I would not her wanting to get into this, cause is very transitory.
     
  13. anonymous

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    if you can handle uncertainty then by all means pharma is totally worth it.

    i dont think i can do it anymore, i just signed onto a new contract, hopfully it will last long enough for me to get through graduate school and once i graduate its see ya later pharma. i wont be back.
     
  14. anonymous

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    Think you missed my point that the salaries for pharma reps have in real dollar terms have been going down for a long time now... that's not a good sign
     
  15. anonymous

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    That is all you make in this job anymore especially w/ a contract company. Here is a good example. You sign on to a contract making 70k a year. For two years it’s good then you get laid off and it takes you 1 year to get on another contract. How much did you make? Not 70k per year because you wasted 3 years in chasing a Pharma job to no where, you actually only made 46.5 per year then you take taxes out.....and guess what? Surprise you are now at 30K! Whose entitled now? You need to really think before you invest 3 years of your life into a no where industry..
     
  16. anonymous

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    This has to be someone in InVent HR...to sound so pompous to comment on a job that ends every 1-3 years. It's called contract for a reason...temp, part-time, no security and someone has the gull to call someone who takes one of these jobs entitled. Cat calling the kettle....
     
  17. anonymous

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    Yes it is.
     
  18. anonymous

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    I don't know where $30K comes from. That equates to less than $15/hour.

    The average salary for a recent college graduate with a bachelor’s degree was $51,022 a year in 2017, according to the National Association of Colleges and Employers Fall 2017 Salary Survey.
     
  19. anonymous

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    The pharmaceutical industry goes against virtually every maxim in finding and having a fulfilling career. The older you are and the longer you've been in the industry, the more your hands are tied. With the ever increasing roll with companies like Syneos, the industry will not get better, but worse. Up until 20 or so years ago most companies (with exceptions, of coarse), had the reps best interest at hand. Do you really think companies like Syneos have your best interest in mind? You are naive at best if you think so. Syneos, like other "middle-sucking companies" in other industries are "claiming" to help facilitate activities of the pharma company and provide them with "more flexibility, make quickly decisions on the fly and handle all the minutia". They are "handling" all what was once the responsibility of the pharma companies. This is nothing but a ploy by the pharma industry to have an easier out when it comes to layoffs, down-sizing, re-sizing, etc. The industry needs reps, but how many is debatable. They need somewhat ethical used car salesmen that can push and get sales today, not tomorrow - not like the good old days of actually building relationships with offices and doctors. A pharma rep now works exhaustively to simply get the health-care provider to even consider using their products - and then if they actually prescribe it, must (first) get a little lucky that the patient has excellent insurance - then the rep must do the leg-work to get the product through the pharmacy. To top it off the payers are making it increasingly difficult to simply allow patients the opportunity to get a product filled - cutting out every loop-hole known to mankind. Well, that is unless the patient wants to pay for 95% of the products retail price --- but after all the payer did "cover" the product. While working for my former company, we had a teleconference with two reps explaining how they spent a solid week running back and forth from office to pharmacy to get their first script with a new product launch. I admire the tenacity, but you have to ask -- where is all of this madness going? I can tell you one thing -- it aint gonna get any better! If you think so, then you are truly naive. If you are in the industry or trying to get in -- just know this, your chances of staying with the same company for the next 3 - 5 years is fairly slim - and don't think you are some sort of exception - there are excellent reps being displaced all the time - it doesn't matter who you are, you are not that special. All of this is fairly fatalistic, and I realize I have a major bent against this industry even though I've working in it for the past 22 years. Having said that, I would only recommend this job to somebody in their early working years who is wanting to gain experience in sales and who can easily roll with the punches - i.e. knowing that they will eventually be displaced -- and then having to once again reinvent themselves to find yet another short-term gig. Oh, and one more thing, there will be pressure. You can't make this kind of money with these kinds of benefits without having somebody (right, wrong or indifferent) breathing down your proverbial neck. Your self-esteem will be challenged. If you tend to be on the softer side (and by that I mean somebody that most everybody likes, because you're a nice person), then you will be exceedingly challenged by this. If you tend to be on the pathological side and nothing affects you because of you narcissistic, pathologic tendencies, then you will do fine. In fact that's what the industry is quickly turning in to - based on all factors leading up to this point. Unfortunately, that is a recipe for disaster - since narcissistic people tend to piss everybody off that they come in contact with, they inevitability will be that the doctors offices will do nothing but continue closing down their doors - and the problem is exasperated. The pressure gets higher and higher and the cupcakes get out and the narcissist stays. As for this last point, this is one of the major reasons why the industry is imploding.
    So at the end of the day - if you're a nice person looking for an industry where you can build relationships and thusly make sales, beware -- they still exist, but are becoming less and less prevalent. This is an industry of that manager we've all had that was a prick to everybody and didn't have any feelings toward others, but was just in it for him or herself. Unfortunately, that's the person that will be more and more pervasive in this industry in the coming years. If you are young and pleasant, then find something else. This industry will chew you up and spit you out.
     
  20. anonymous

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    I agree w/ everything this person says except that it is a sales job. It's not. If you are young and looking for sales experience Pharma is NOT the place. Med Device companies want business to business experience and true sales experience. Pharma is not sales it's nothing more than a Customer Service job. You can't even call it PR anymore because they don't want you to build relationships. As the above poster says...they are happier when you are tearing them down.