Oh well...

That is so funny...If he had said that to me, I would have said I’d rather be a good whore than be a bad doctor! Even whores provide a valuable service!!

 

Before I post this let me get this out of the way. I am a short timer, I am finishing up my career with a major pharma company at the end of Q4.


so with that being said, I just want to make sure all the new blood realize something. you aren't important to the company. you are disposable. if it feels like the company is pushing you and pushing you just to see how much you will take before you leave, its because they are. No pharma company wants boiler room sales guys anymore, they want walking billboards. they want ipad holders, lunch deliverers, and signature catchers. Pharma rep is a shrinking career, soon to be a dead end career.


It doesn't really matter if the death by a thousand cuts approach pushes you over the edge, even if you hang on through the steady decrease in compensation, and decrease in benefits, the company will eventually get you. i promise you this. if you are 30 or under. I guarantee you will not retire with this company. you can count on that.

 

This is so incredibly true. I put my 25 years in and have been out of the Industry for 3 years now, I come over to CP to see if anything has changed. Seems nothing has changed possibly getting worse. The last 10 years of my time was difficult dealing w/ young managers that had a chip on their shoulders and RMs w/ a ego trip. How can these individuals even call themselves managers or productive employees? They, in many cases literally work against the daily activities of Reps. In 25 years I probably had 24 Managers and I can say only 2 I would look up to not only as individuals but as managers. The vast majority I would just shake my head at and wonder how in the hell they even have friends. The thing is every time one of these DM/RM types would do something crazy and you had to put up w/ it over a meeting or during a work with when you got back into the territory alone you did nothing for days since you were still reeling over their antics or just making the score even. The conversations between Rep and Managers are not even close to adult conversations, this is what I hated most at the end. Many times it was as if I had a High School Football coach in charge of the district or a tyrant trying to tell you how to do something and the tyrant had no idea what real world looked like.

And were is the satisfaction anymore? MDs hardly see you, you are not allowed to go off ipad messaging 2 day field rides that are painful. The list is to long.

I would say to anyone young or older just trying to finish out your career since you think that Pharma is the only thing you know to step back and just think what they are asking you to do day to day. I can think of several Mature High School kids that can do this job right now.

The job needs downsized to 30-50K a years. No college degree required and DMs need to have 20-25 Reps in a district.

 

Came across this thread by chance. Must say it is one of the best that I've seen in a while. I've got almost twenty years in the industry with 6 companies. While I agree with most of the posts...If you are lucky enough to have a tolerable manager ( good ones are almost extinct ) ...Than this can still be a rewarding and somewhat fulfilling career as long as you realize that making one or two impactful calls per day is actually winning. The hard part is entering eight to ten calls per day knowing that only one or two were legitimately productive. The last sentence from above has basically already taken place...I went on a contract after my last layoff last year. My first one...I couldnt believe the low pay / lack of any real incentive / and the mundane marching orders regarding metrics. Most contracts are now this way from what I understand. But bills need to be paid so I took the gig knowing that it was a chance to get rolled over ( although I now understand that being rolled over these days is also very difficult ). I lucked out and hit my goals while having a real manager that saw some value in me and got me an opportunity to become full time with the company. Things have been ok but let's face it...Being laid off working either contract or w a big pharma company can happen at any moment. It's a terrible career choice for anyone that wants stability and to be able to plan for the future. We are hired guns that are in for constant turmoil and stress if we stay in this industry.

 

As soon as my mortgage is paid off, ( Fall 2020) I am out of here. The level of incompetence combined with arrogance of our leaders is simply ridiculous...KM at the corporate office is a perfect example. What has she accomplished? What does she do all day? We need radical innovations of how to create access to physicians and promote our drugs...and she is stuck in the 80’s. Get with it or get out! There is no creativity, not even an attempt to discuss what needs to be done!

 

KM sits there all day long thinking about putting people she can put on PIPs so that she can look good. She can now blame poor performance on someone else. Remember she needs this high paying job, and if there are casualties along the way, so be it! Ruined lives, ruined careers don't matter. It's the same in the military. Except in the military, there are consequences, at Otsuka it's a different story!!! Everything KM does is mediocre. It's due to her low IQ. Just talk with her for 5 minutes and you will see what I mean.