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Anonymous 02-24-2012 07:59 PM

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The little rascals are driving drunk. Just sit on the side and watch them panic as the year progresses and the objectives are falling more and more beyond their reach.

In the midwest it is always "someone else's fault"

Anonymous 02-24-2012 11:25 PM

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In the midwest it is always "someone else's fault"

but it is never that one specific person's fault- right Tommy Boy (wink wink)

Anonymous 02-25-2012 04:06 PM

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They will try to sugar coat the panic with family pictures, playing our favorite songs and all of this talk about that we are family down in Atlanta this week but the chaos and pressure will be escalated here on out this year. Don't fall for the illusion. This division is in some serious trouble and they cannot figure out how to fix it because they are not qualified to do it.

We need to send the rascals packing just the stooges went- just hope it doesn't take as long,

Anonymous 02-25-2012 04:08 PM

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MVID will never be fixed until the rascals follow the path of the stooges out the door. Then rebuilding will have to begin with trust and respect being 2 of the major things needing to be installed not instilled into everyone still left. Only then will there be any hope for a future.

Anonymous 02-25-2012 04:31 PM

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MVID will never be fixed until the rascals follow the path of the stooges out the door. Then rebuilding will have to begin with trust and respect being 2 of the major things needing to be installed not instilled into everyone still left. Only then will there be any hope for a future.

We are the Domino's pizza of the vaccine industry before they changed their crappy pizza recipe. Until we change our recipe of hiring inexperienced suck ups in their late 30's to early 40's who have not spent any significant time around vaccines (selling, marketing, managing, analyzing), we will be last in the minds of our customers when it comes to purchasing vaccines. Nobody wants to buy an overpriced pizza that tastes bad in a restaurant that is managed poorly when they can get better pizza and service somewhere else. The same applies to MVID.

Anonymous 02-26-2012 06:08 PM

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We are the Domino's pizza of the vaccine industry before they changed their crappy pizza recipe. Until we change our recipe of hiring inexperienced suck ups in their late 30's to early 40's who have not spent any significant time around vaccines (selling, marketing, managing, analyzing), we will be last in the minds of our customers when it comes to purchasing vaccines. Nobody wants to buy an overpriced pizza that tastes bad in a restaurant that is managed poorly when they can get better pizza and service somewhere else. The same applies to MVID.

MVD was built from the bottom up. MVID was built willy nilly by tablet people eager to get a piece of the action without knowing anything about the products or division they came in and took over. The only thing saving MVID is the lack of competition for some of the products. When that finally happens, watch out!

Anonymous 02-26-2012 09:48 PM

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MVD was built from the bottom up. MVID was built willy nilly by tablet people eager to get a piece of the action without knowing anything about the products or division they came in and took over. The only thing saving MVID is the lack of competition for some of the products. When that finally happens, watch out!

MVD is Coke and MVID is Coke II. Coke II is no longer on the market because a majority of people liked the original.

Anonymous 02-27-2012 11:35 AM

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MVD is Coke and MVID is Coke II. Coke II is no longer on the market because a majority of people liked the original.


Too bad we cannot do that here. It would be the 1st step to regaining respect and credibility, both lost when MVD's winning formula was changed by a bunch of losers from the other side of Merck.

Anonymous 02-27-2012 03:33 PM

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MVD is Coke and MVID is Coke II. Coke II is no longer on the market because a majority of people liked the original.

The tablet chuckers merely looked at MVD as a place to dig in their claws and look what happened.

Anonymous 02-27-2012 10:15 PM

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The tablet chuckers merely looked at MVD as a place to dig in their claws and look what happened.

GPO/PO contracts, pediatric vaccines, VFC and competition are like kryptonite to them.

Anonymous 03-01-2012 01:28 AM

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We need to send the rascals packing just the stooges went- just hope it doesn't take as long,

Todd and the rascals will probably be gone within 4 years. If Zostavax has another bad year, make it 2.

Anonymous 03-02-2012 08:59 PM

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The tablet chuckers merely looked at MVD as a place to dig in their claws and look what happened.

They dug in their claws and tore it up.

Anonymous 03-03-2012 11:00 PM

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Too bad we cannot do that here. It would be the 1st step to regaining respect and credibility, both lost when MVD's winning formula was changed by a bunch of losers from the other side of Merck.

The formula may get even worse with the new outsiders Dr. Gerberding and Todd Nichols mixing things up. It's so frustrating to watch a good thing get mucked up worse and worse every year.

Anonymous 03-03-2012 11:02 PM

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Todd Nichols may be no different. We'll see what he's all about at the Atlanta meeting.

Not convinced or impressed either. More dark times may be coming.

Anonymous 03-03-2012 11:04 PM

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The tablet chuckers merely looked at MVD as a place to dig in their claws and look what happened.

Turned it to crap.

Anonymous 03-06-2012 10:43 AM

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Too bad we cannot do that here. It would be the 1st step to regaining respect and credibility, both lost when MVD's winning formula was changed by a bunch of losers from the other side of Merck.

Until the stocks drops again, don't expect anymore positve change for us. Meanwhile, the leadership when continue to promote themselves and exercise more options for themselves and make the rest of us feel ungrateful for not being happy for them.

Anonymous 03-07-2012 09:14 AM

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Double sales on Gardasil and Zostavax is what I'm hearing. Get ready for a low payout year in 2012.

Retail pharmacists are going to hate us this year. Thanks for shortening the sales cycle in 2011 so you can shorten the amount of bonus we get in 2013 leadership.

Anonymous 03-07-2012 06:44 PM

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Maybe its just me, but I don't understand why retail pharmacists will hate us this year...please explain.

Anonymous 03-07-2012 06:52 PM

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Maybe its just me, but I don't understand why retail pharmacists will hate us this year...please explain.

Go away troll. If you can't figure it out, you don't need to know.

Anonymous 03-07-2012 06:58 PM

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Go away troll. If you can't figure it out, you don't need to know.


Wow, touchy, touchy. So routine supply will make them mad? Performance based discounts will piss them off? A big DTC campaign that will send patients in asking for the vaccines will push them over a cliff?

i'm not rocket scientist like you, but i think 2012 could be a descent year for once with Zostavax....for those who have been with this vaccine since launch, they know what I mean.

Anonymous 03-07-2012 07:40 PM

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Wow, touchy, touchy. So routine supply will make them mad? Performance based discounts will piss them off? A big DTC campaign that will send patients in asking for the vaccines will push them over a cliff?

i'm not rocket scientist like you, but i think 2012 could be a descent year for once with Zostavax....for those who have been with this vaccine since launch, they know what I mean.

Go ask all your retail pharmacists how much Zostavax they are sitting on from last year and then add the 2012 80% growth on top of that. We shall see if this will be a decent (respectable) year for Zostavax or a descent (downward) year for Zostavax. You stated, "i think 2012 will be a descent year" so maybe you are not too optimistic or you just don't know how to spell.

Anonymous 03-08-2012 10:34 AM

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Go ask all your retail pharmacists how much Zostavax they are sitting on from last year and then add the 2012 80% growth on top of that. We shall see if this will be a decent (respectable) year for Zostavax or a descent (downward) year for Zostavax. You stated, "i think 2012 will be a descent year" so maybe you are not too optimistic or you just don't know how to spell.

Good catch on the typo....maybe its a subliminal message.

Not sure what's going on in your area, but my pharmacies have doses from last year, but not a ton. Some of the chains ordered a lot, but they're big boys and girls who made that decision and we got credit for those doses last year and that's showing up in my bonus next week. maybe i'm an outlier, but i think these doses will move and if the DTC campaign is effective i just need to get my customers to have the right conversation with patients who are asking about the vaccine.

i alos agree with some of the other posts...it would be easier if we were still in PC and PED - there is plenty of work to go around!

Anonymous 03-08-2012 03:26 PM

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Good catch on the typo....maybe its a subliminal message.

Not sure what's going on in your area, but my pharmacies have doses from last year, but not a ton. Some of the chains ordered a lot, but they're big boys and girls who made that decision and we got credit for those doses last year and that's showing up in my bonus next week. maybe i'm an outlier, but i think these doses will move and if the DTC campaign is effective i just need to get my customers to have the right conversation with patients who are asking about the vaccine.

i alos agree with some of the other posts...it would be easier if we were still in PC and PED - there is plenty of work to go around!

O.P. here. Not trying to be a hater and that's cool your retail pharmacies are moving doses. However, I have talked others who have some chains that ordered a ton in 2011 and are still sitting on a lot this year. We are being pulled in so many directions right now its hard to focus on retail pharmacies, pc offices and pediatrics. We were aligned just fine before the multi- specialty role but some people wanted to shake things up to look good at our expense. We work harder not smarter and it should be the other way around.

Anonymous 03-10-2012 01:23 PM

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The tablet chuckers merely looked at MVD as a place to dig in their claws and look what happened.

They keep trying out new pilot programs and trying to expand more mgam type positions so that more management from USHH can escape and exploit vaccines even further. USHH is about dead from tablet incompetence virus (TIV) and the virus has spread to vaccines.

Anonymous 03-10-2012 01:26 PM

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Until all three are officially gone, this thread will keep coming back too. Mike, Margie and Alina, the axis of evil to MVD. Anyone beg to differ?

I think the thread needs to stay so history doesn't repeat itself. Oh wait, we have the little rascals now which is just a younger and dumber version of the original three. We are truly doomed.

Anonymous 03-12-2012 09:30 PM

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With Singulair going off patent, I can smell another needless vaccine expansion, then optimization within two years. Merck never bothers to learn from it's mistakes. They just keep making bigger ones every chance they get.

The MGAM role may be expanded so that more managers can find safe haven if there are more layoffs, so Merck hasn't learned its lesson. What a shame.

Anonymous 03-15-2012 01:24 AM

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The little rascals are driving drunk. Just sit on the side and watch them panic as the year progresses and the objectives are falling more and more beyond their reach.

The panic is starting. The nation is below plan for Zostavax already and pressure is coming from above to move last years doses that are still sitting in fridges.

Anonymous 03-17-2012 12:38 PM

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The panic is starting. The nation is below plan for Zostavax already and pressure is coming from above to move last years doses that are still sitting in fridges.

Typical Merck. An executive decision is made to oversell the retail pharmacies without any realistic sales input and the field gets blamed. This is comical how bad this current leadership has scewed things up. They are actually moving at a faster pace than the stooges.

Anonymous 03-19-2012 11:39 PM

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The panic is starting. The nation is below plan for Zostavax already and pressure is coming from above to move last years doses that are still sitting in fridges.

No concrete plan to defend Pneumovax 23 or MMRII from competition. Yeah, dragging your heals on a plan to defend against vaccine competition is really going to help the division to meet the goal of 10 billion by 2020. Let me guess, are you going to hire yet another consulting firm to bail you out? Monitor and Partners In Leadership are already making millions off of Merck.

I couldn't make this next part up. The Monitor Group who provides consultation services for Merck also provided services for M. Gaddafi between 2006 and 2008. Google for yourself if you don't believe. Apparently, Monitor specializes in making dictatorships appear to look better than they really are. How sad is that?

Anonymous 03-22-2012 06:54 PM

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Strategic planning seems to be still another thing that left with the MVD people. I don't recall panic mode, disorganization, or folks leading who were clueless about exactly what they were leading us into.

Contract and VFC knowledge is at an all time low as well. Backstabbing, brown nosing and b.s. business plans with few customer interactions is the sad norm now.

Anonymous 03-25-2012 11:33 PM

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Contract and VFC knowledge is at an all time low as well. Backstabbing, brown nosing and b.s. business plans with few customer interactions is the sad norm now.

I have heard leadership under Alina say MVD was asleep at the wheel when they were in charge. Then, we have retarded drunken monkeys driving MVID into a drainage ditch now.

Anonymous 03-25-2012 11:53 PM

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Good catch on the typo....maybe its a subliminal message.

Not sure what's going on in your area, but my pharmacies have doses from last year, but not a ton. Some of the chains ordered a lot, but they're big boys and girls who made that decision and we got credit for those doses last year and that's showing up in my bonus next week. maybe i'm an outlier, but i think these doses will move and if the DTC campaign is effective i just need to get my customers to have the right conversation with patients who are asking about the vaccine.

i alos agree with some of the other posts...it would be easier if we were still in PC and PED - there is plenty of work to go around!

Pfizer is going after thought leaders and hospital P&T committees to con them into believing Prevnar 13 is a better adult vaccine than Pneuomvax 23. GSK is revamping it's VPA and putting more boots on the ground to grow their pediatric franchise with their MMR coming out end of this year.

What is Merck doing? Trying to sell us on a new Oz culture, distracting us with meetings where EVERYBODY has to speak up or get a PIP, forcing us to create over written strategy plans and ensuring we stay ludicrously laser focused on one vaccine Zostavax. How is it working out? Culture sucks, reps disenchanted and we are way behind on Zostavax. MVID's plan to win is failing. What a slow agonizing trainwreck this is.

Anonymous 03-29-2012 12:36 AM

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Pfizer is going after thought leaders and hospital P&T committees to con them into believing Prevnar 13 is a better adult vaccine than Pneuomvax 23. GSK is revamping it's VPA and putting more boots on the ground to grow their pediatric franchise with their MMR coming out end of this year.

What is Merck doing? Trying to sell us on a new Oz culture, distracting us with meetings where EVERYBODY has to speak up or get a PIP, forcing us to create over written strategy plans and ensuring we stay ludicrously laser focused on one vaccine Zostavax. How is it working out? Culture sucks, reps disenchanted and we are way behind on Zostavax. MVID's plan to win is failing. What a slow agonizing trainwreck this is.

Don't forget outsourcing rep positions to inVentive or rely more heavily on wholesalers.

Anonymous 03-31-2012 08:09 PM

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The MGAM role may be expanded so that more managers can find safe haven if there are more layoffs, so Merck hasn't learned its lesson. What a shame.

Even worse, most of the reps know more about vaccines and contracts than these MGAMs do and they get paid a lot more. Morale is so low here because we are top heavy with idiots in management looking out for themselves .

Anonymous 04-03-2012 09:04 PM

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That's because MVID is top heavy with inexperienced idiots that are full of themselves but empty on vaccine knowledge. The Little Rascals are awful!

The fact that the ignorant rascals may be influencing Todd who knows nothing about vaccines means things are going to get much worse.

Anonymous 04-09-2012 07:56 PM

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The panic is starting. The nation is below plan for Zostavax already and pressure is coming from above to move last years doses that are still sitting in fridges.

If this dtc campaign doesn't help out, heads are going to roll.

Anonymous 04-11-2012 06:39 PM

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If this dtc campaign doesn't help out, heads are going to roll.

As long as they start rolling from up top.

Anonymous 04-14-2012 01:56 PM

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As long as they start rolling from up top.

I wish. Dr. Gerberding and Todd Nichols are still new and naive with the little rascals also being new and completely stupid. What a mess.

Anonymous 04-14-2012 02:03 PM

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The fact that the ignorant rascals may be influencing Todd who knows nothing about vaccines means things are going to get much worse.

Case in point, the 2012 Zostavax numbers. If they would have listened to the field, maybe retail pharmacies wouldn't still be overstocked. Thanks for killing the alleged adult vaccine potential. You want to move doses, lower the price.

Anonymous 04-14-2012 04:05 PM

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This, along with DTC, should help
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...798804224.html


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