Abbott's Crestor copromo-Kevin Guthrie.

Ok, thanks for the message Kevin, just please don't try to insult my intelligence by saying this doesn't affect anyone. I'm really feeling all warm and fuzzy over here after your assurance that Abbott is going to be detailing Crestor in the second position! Thats great caus by working at Solvay I know that product position is always followed. Reps never stray from the appropriate product position unknowingly arrived upon by sales ops.
Abbott reps have just officially become the enemy. The very market we have been trying to penetrate is now in the hands of a supposed product ally. Know after I do a lunch trying to explain why Simcor should command a piece of the statin market, I have some asshole in a Jeep Liberty coming in right behind me refuting what I just said. Ya know, I have never been a guy to write negative stuff about Solvay or any other person or manager on this board but I heard that message and just hung my head. Simcor is done, you know it, I know it, the majority of our sales staff knows it. It is a bit aggrevating to be taken for such a fool. The old Solvay, have no fear nothings goin to change routine has become a bit old. We know that just when everyone says its ok....thats when its not ok. I really can't believe, being Solvay has 100mil or so tied up in Simcor which obviously is half statin that they were so dumb as to not have a non compete clause. Hey look market share is market share so it doesnt matter if my share doesn't go up caus I know every rep here is in the same boat. What it does however is totally squash the long-term potential of this drug. Hence, once again job security is in question. Solvay said 1 billion in sales potential we know this was horseshit anyway. Wall street said 500mil.initially now Simcor is looking like 300mil and thats being nice.
So what's the answer? I know...let's roll over some more Inventiv reps and give them benefits and pensions. Yes, great strategic moves by our fearless leaders. Thanks again Kevin...made my night.
ps. In case there was any doubt as to why this co-promo came about for those of you who may be a little slow out of the chute. This was done to completey shut us out of the combo drug that will constitute 1 abbott product and 1 Astra product.....can you guess which one? Yes, your a genious. While that will be a blockbuster, as usual, we'll be sitiing here holding a bag of shit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, thanks for the message Kevin, just please don't try to insult my intelligence by saying this doesn't affect anyone. I'm really feeling all warm and fuzzy over here after your assurance that Abbott is going to be detailing Crestor in the second position! Thats great caus by working at Solvay I know that product position is always followed. Reps never stray from the appropriate product position unknowingly arrived upon by sales ops.
Abbott reps have just officially become the enemy. The very market we have been trying to penetrate is now in the hands of a supposed product ally. Know after I do a lunch trying to explain why Simcor should command a piece of the statin market, I have some asshole in a Jeep Liberty coming in right behind me refuting what I just said. Ya know, I have never been a guy to write negative stuff about Solvay or any other person or manager on this board but I heard that message and just hung my head. Simcor is done, you know it, I know it, the majority of our sales staff knows it. It is a bit aggrevating to be taken for such a fool. The old Solvay, have no fear nothings goin to change routine has become a bit old. We know that just when everyone says its ok....thats when its not ok. I really can't believe, being Solvay has 100mil or so tied up in Simcor which obviously is half statin that they were so dumb as to not have a non compete clause. Hey look market share is market share so it doesnt matter if my share doesn't go up caus I know every rep here is in the same boat. What it does however is totally squash the long-term potential of this drug. Hence, once again job security is in question. Solvay said 1 billion in sales potential we know this was horseshit anyway. Wall street said 500mil.initially now Simcor is looking like 300mil and thats being nice.
So what's the answer? I know...let's roll over some more Inventiv reps and give them benefits and pensions. Yes, great strategic moves by our fearless leaders. Thanks again Kevin...made my night.
ps. In case there was any doubt as to why this co-promo came about for those of you who may be a little slow out of the chute. This was done to completey shut us out of the combo drug that will constitute 1 abbott product and 1 Astra product.....can you guess which one? Yes, your a genious. While that will be a blockbuster, as usual, we'll be sitiing here holding a bag of shit.

You are correct on most issues, but one. We won't be holding the bag because there probably won't BE a bag! If anyone doesn't think "reorg" or "realignments" are close,then they have not been here very long. I give it until either November or next February before more heads roll. Unless a miracle occurs and Solgay manages to locate another product.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are correct on most issues, but one. We won't be holding the bag because there probably won't BE a bag! If anyone doesn't think "reorg" or "realignments" are close,then they have not been here very long. I give it until either November or next February before more heads roll. Unless a miracle occurs and Solgay manages to locate another product.

Major websites talk about the Abbott-A.Z. merger, no mention of Solvay in the mix, even when they talk Trilipix. I've got the feeling we are being purchased and soon. Abbott wants Trilipix for their own and Androgel would be a nice nest egg. Good luck if you think they will keep many of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Major websites talk about the Abbott-A.Z. merger, no mention of Solvay in the mix, even when they talk Trilipix. I've got the feeling we are being purchased and soon. Abbott wants Trilipix for their own and Androgel would be a nice nest egg. Good luck if you think they will keep many of us.

we my friends have been sold down the fucking river! SIMCOR is a TAIL-LESS DOG and TRIITAGAIN will be fucked from day one...
Polish your resumes as there are lots of candidates out there for other pharma jobs. I AM OUTTA FUCKIN HERE!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Major websites talk about the Abbott-A.Z. merger, no mention of Solvay in the mix, even when they talk Trilipix. I've got the feeling we are being purchased and soon. Abbott wants Trilipix for their own and Androgel would be a nice nest egg. Good luck if you think they will keep many of us.

Just in time for the hollidays again?

I just hope this time it's Marty who gets the voicemail from Abbott telling him to have a nice weekend while he waits 5 days with his thumb up his ass on Indian Hills Dr to find out if he still has a fuckin job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok, thanks for the message Kevin, just please don't try to insult my intelligence by saying this doesn't affect anyone. I'm really feeling all warm and fuzzy over here after your assurance that Abbott is going to be detailing Crestor in the second position! Thats great caus by working at Solvay I know that product position is always followed. Reps never stray from the appropriate product position unknowingly arrived upon by sales ops.
Abbott reps have just officially become the enemy. The very market we have been trying to penetrate is now in the hands of a supposed product ally. Know after I do a lunch trying to explain why Simcor should command a piece of the statin market, I have some asshole in a Jeep Liberty coming in right behind me refuting what I just said. Ya know, I have never been a guy to write negative stuff about Solvay or any other person or manager on this board but I heard that message and just hung my head. Simcor is done, you know it, I know it, the majority of our sales staff knows it. It is a bit aggrevating to be taken for such a fool. The old Solvay, have no fear nothings goin to change routine has become a bit old. We know that just when everyone says its ok....thats when its not ok. I really can't believe, being Solvay has 100mil or so tied up in Simcor which obviously is half statin that they were so dumb as to not have a non compete clause. Hey look market share is market share so it doesnt matter if my share doesn't go up caus I know every rep here is in the same boat. What it does however is totally squash the long-term potential of this drug. Hence, once again job security is in question. Solvay said 1 billion in sales potential we know this was horseshit anyway. Wall street said 500mil.initially now Simcor is looking like 300mil and thats being nice.
So what's the answer? I know...let's roll over some more Inventiv reps and give them benefits and pensions. Yes, great strategic moves by our fearless leaders. Thanks again Kevin...made my night.
ps. In case there was any doubt as to why this co-promo came about for those of you who may be a little slow out of the chute. This was done to completey shut us out of the combo drug that will constitute 1 abbott product and 1 Astra product.....can you guess which one? Yes, your a genious. While that will be a blockbuster, as usual, we'll be sitiing here holding a bag of shit.

Brilliantly stated. Just one fact I'd like to add. Lipitor is generic in 2010, AZ can then kiss there ass goodbye along with Abbott and this entire co promo.

Think about the crestor-tricor combo pill. How than looking when you can get lipitor for $3-5

IF there are layoffs it will happen in Nov 08 and not Feb 09. The company will want to take the writeoff this year. if they wait until Feb... it will hit that year and it is too early in the year to know if it makes sense. My guess is like last year they will do it, IF they do it, before the year end. You wil be given a lump sum severance which is good for the company, bad for you.... because you will have to pay taxes in the year you are employeed... not the year you are not.... higher tax rate.
But the real question is, will the Solvay family really want to give up this business? I am not sure that they will part with it. Historically the pharma sector has provided some income balance for the plastics and chemical business. I would imagine that they will only get rid of this business if they have something to replace it with that was equally "stable".

This tread is on the right track. As you recall the new concentric BS allignment was designed to be utilized for expansion or contraction. Since Solvay does not know on to expand I would vote on the later. Plus with Solvays great new product line and R&D I would not place any bets on good things to come.

Why would anyone want to buy Solvay? Oh, I know the answer they can be ranked Number one for affirmative action hiring and promotions without regard to talent, just start with MC.

Sounds like Doug Hailing was involved with the forecasting of Simcor, remember his brilliant Aceon forecast......Thanks Doug..And Thanks for pimping him ...Jim Hynde

Where is everyone going to go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Major websites talk about the Abbott-A.Z. merger, no mention of Solvay in the mix, even when they talk Trilipix. I've got the feeling we are being purchased and soon. Abbott wants Trilipix for their own and Androgel would be a nice nest egg. Good luck if you think they will keep many of us.

I can tell you from experience that you want nothing to do with Astra Zeneca, they are the worst organization you can fucking imagine. I am not just saying that, I lived through Astra Merck, Astra, and finally Astra Zeneca before I couldn't take it anymore. And I will tell you this, Abbott expects you to have a daily hard on for their products or you will be kicked to the curb quite quickly, and they are not doing any hiring, they are filling the positions with contract reps also through Innovex' Novaquest division in case you are not aware. Long term job interviews. Some that were laid off from Solvay are hired back only through InVentiv, not bashing InVentiv, or Solvay for that matter, that is just the current climate. It is going to be this way until after the elections, and if Obama is elected, then get used to this being the norm. I don't care about your politics, it's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IF there are layoffs it will happen in Nov 08 and not Feb 09. The company will want to take the writeoff this year. if they wait until Feb... it will hit that year and it is too early in the year to know if it makes sense. My guess is like last year they will do it, IF they do it, before the year end. You wil be given a lump sum severance which is good for the company, bad for you.... because you will have to pay taxes in the year you are employeed... not the year you are not.... higher tax rate.
But the real question is, will the Solvay family really want to give up this business? I am not sure that they will part with it. Historically the pharma sector has provided some income balance for the plastics and chemical business. I would imagine that they will only get rid of this business if they have something to replace it with that was equally "stable".

As I just said, if there is to be a layoff it will depend on the U.S. administration, and I agree if Obama is elected the layoff could be sooner than later, and glad finally someone brought up the generic status of Lipitor, they will fight it every which way they can, but it will go generic, hell they will try a pediatric indication for our fat ass kids, but it will go generic soon, they will milk out all they can, maybe take a stab at lipitnex or something like that, but there are way too many generic options out there and more coming, not everyone has the need for a lipid lowering drug to the degree of Crestor anyway. I just don't know how Solvay can sustain all these waves of hiring that they are currently doing. It's not possible, they are going to pit us all against each other to fight for our jobs, and I will not do it. Integrity should mean more to you than this industry has to offer at this day and age. I've been here 10 years and sometimes I really think it's been about 8 years too long. The decision might be made for me sooner than later.

All of the above comments are spot-on accurate. As usual, the Koolaider DMs, T&D and Sales Flops assholes are Silent. I wonder why ??

Marty and his Farietta stooges are talking NOW about what to do in the Fall; and I for one am going to send out my resume ASAP.

These characters will really cut us up this time, and even the SoulGay untouchables will soon be expendable. This outfit has only been a primary care outfit since last November anyway. It's also amusing how the "can I be a DM/Preceptor " crowd has diminished their ass-kissing these past several months. Mainly because they know that SoulGay is not the right outfit now, to practice their corporate butt-kissing games anymore.

Get ready.

Even the RDs here are getting nervous now, and I have talked with three of them recently; and all three are even worried about their status in the upcoming layoff.

Anyone remember Rich Post ?

Yes, I remember Rich and as far as I know he is still not employed.

If you are not sure lay offs are coming soon, wait until you see the Trilipix data. What a joke. Get your resume ready and out, if you have not done so already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are not sure lay offs are coming soon, wait until you see the Trilipix data. What a joke. Get your resume ready and out, if you have not done so already.

you know doctor, trilipix is not inferior to a statin, which is on formulary, but its only marginally better. And I can assure you a 95% CI on that.
So since we are the subject of losers and I have closed you on the mediocrity of TRILIPIX, may I segue into SIMCOR? I can tell you from the hazard ratio 6-7 percent discontinue therapy, and only 30 percent wll NOT FLUSH!

And if neither works may I talk to you about cilansetron? How about BX that didn't arrive alive?

Marty and Hynd will be the first rats off this sinkin shit, I mean ship.

The lucky fucks were those who got laid off last fall. They have replacement jobs. Oh, well I did want to retire this year any way....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you know doctor, trilipix is not inferior to a statin, which is on formulary, but its only marginally better. And I can assure you a 95% CI on that.
So since we are the subject of losers and I have closed you on the mediocrity of TRILIPIX, may I segue into SIMCOR? I can tell you from the hazard ratio 6-7 percent discontinue therapy, and only 30 percent wll NOT FLUSH!

And if neither works may I talk to you about cilansetron? How about BX that didn't arrive alive?

Marty and Hynd will be the first rats off this sinkin shit, I mean ship.

The lucky fucks were those who got laid off last fall. They have replacement jobs. Oh, well I did want to retire this year any way....

did someone actually read the shit we sent out? So cool Chris'

we will be fine. Just do your job and it will work out. This company has too much history to let it fail.