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  #51  
Old 10-27-2011, 11:59 PM
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I too developed constant panic attacks b/c of the manager/job. Lived with them for almost one year before I got Pipped out the door (which I wanted!). Was so happy to be done and gone, and the attacks stopped instantly, and I'd never had a single one in my life before the job bs. I've never heard of any other industry causing so many people to develop anxiety attacks and having to live on Xanax. Have you?
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:10 AM
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I too developed constant panic attacks b/c of the manager/job. Lived with them for almost one year before I got Pipped out the door (which I wanted!). Was so happy to be done and gone, and the attacks stopped instantly, and I'd never had a single one in my life before the job bs. I've never heard of any other industry causing so many people to develop anxiety attacks and having to live on Xanax. Have you?
Yea...I had anxiety from my manager....now I'm having anxiety attacks I have no income and no job offers.

Somehow I'd take the managers BS again.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:53 AM
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Yea...I had anxiety from my manager....now I'm having anxiety attacks I have no income and no job offers.

Somehow I'd take the managers BS again.
Not sure what to say. During my PIP and before I chose to retire with enough years for a decent pension, my former manager said he wished I would resign on my own as he continued to escalate the pressure. He was surprised this old farty was so resilient that it took longer than usual to break. What he did not understand was people in their 50's do not have as many other options and they tried to sweat it through longer for their families.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:55 AM
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While Merck's R&D may have run dry, they have perfected the art of ruining people's lives...
No one does it better than Mother Merck.
Saw my former manager's FB profile the other day. He looks older but on the surface, "as happy as ever". May be you can get used to getting rid of people with PIPs and it became just a routine part of your job?
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:44 PM
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After reading all of this, if one can't take pride in Merck there is no hope for you. What an incredibly gifted employer Merck is. Oh yes, BE WELL. Be well treated? Be well fed? Be well...what exactly does that mean Merck? Be well executed? Be well terminated? I give up.
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:35 PM
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OP back again. Ahhhh.... I'm really starting to work this 15 x 15 gig. Last week I took my wife on an overnight trip. I ordered lunch from a posh italian bistro and had them add in two nice dishes for dinner as well as apps and dessert. And the manger also hid a nice bottle of merlot in the bill to boot. So we came back to the quaint bistro in the evening for a nice free meal. Thanks mother Merck! That lunch was the only work I put in over a three day period although it was a 2 hour lunch. I'm gonna call in sick for a couple days in the next few weeks and my wife and I are going to fly to NYC to do some Christmas shopping. I have never called in sick like this before to play hooky but I know many people that do and use sick time for personal use. I'm gonna start doing it too. Screw them!
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Old 11-14-2011, 10:46 PM
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OP back again. Ahhhh.... I'm really starting to work this 15 x 15 gig. Last week I took my wife on an overnight trip. I ordered lunch from a posh italian bistro and had them add in two nice dishes for dinner as well as apps and dessert. And the manger also hid a nice bottle of merlot in the bill to boot. So we came back to the quaint bistro in the evening for a nice free meal. Thanks mother Merck! That lunch was the only work I put in over a three day period although it was a 2 hour lunch. I'm gonna call in sick for a couple days in the next few weeks and my wife and I are going to fly to NYC to do some Christmas shopping. I have never called in sick like this before to play hooky but I know many people that do and use sick time for personal use. I'm gonna start doing it too. Screw them!
Now that's impressive. Beautiful work. What's good for the goose...
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Old 11-14-2011, 11:02 PM
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Now that's impressive. Beautiful work. What's good for the goose...
Exactly! I'm really impressed by this level of chicanery. Keep up the excellent work!! I thought I was pretty good but from what you've described, you're truly at the master's level.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:08 PM
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after working with my manager last week on a field visit and after all the problems he caused for me and for a couple of my doctors, I am through. I am now implementing the 15X15 plan as outlined here. I dont even know if I will work the 15 hours, but, I am through with all the games and make believe. They strip us of our old titles and tell us it doesnt matter what we did in the past, our track record doenst count anymore, etc. Well, thats great. Now they get the 15X15 plan. I am one of many here in the area that are putting this into action, and Im not exaggerating. We have talked about this thread. Im wondering how many reps in the company are actually doing more of this 15X15 plan? When you have enough of them doing it, revenue will decrease even more, and then those punks at the top will have a harder time getting their millions of dollars in bonuses. Oh yeah, thats right-they will get their bonuses anyway because they will cut as many reps as they have to make their money. maybe we should start the equivalent of OWS here at merck. lets have a national day of not working...and not say a thing to anybody
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:55 PM
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after working with my manager last week on a field visit and after all the problems he caused for me and for a couple of my doctors, I am through. I am now implementing the 15X15 plan as outlined here. I dont even know if I will work the 15 hours, but, I am through with all the games and make believe. They strip us of our old titles and tell us it doesnt matter what we did in the past, our track record doenst count anymore, etc. Well, thats great. Now they get the 15X15 plan. I am one of many here in the area that are putting this into action, and Im not exaggerating. We have talked about this thread. Im wondering how many reps in the company are actually doing more of this 15X15 plan? When you have enough of them doing it, revenue will decrease even more, and then those punks at the top will have a harder time getting their millions of dollars in bonuses. Oh yeah, thats right-they will get their bonuses anyway because they will cut as many reps as they have to make their money. maybe we should start the equivalent of OWS here at merck. lets have a national day of not working...and not say a thing to anybody
This job has seemed a lot like ows ever since I began in 1980. I couldn't believe the breaks we'd take during the day compared to what I had been used to in my previous jobs. Since you can hardly call what we do as reps "work" I don't think our not working would have any effect whatsoever in a negative sense to Merck. We've all been doing some variant of the 15X15 plan to a lesser or greater extent for years. We make believe what we do has some significance, but other than keeping some bean counter or our manager(s) happy, it really doesn't matter. I'm thinking of writing a book titled "It Really Didn't Matter" when I get out of here. Over the years when socializing and getting asked about what I do for a living, people would all tell me they wished they had my job with its freedoms, fun, and favorable pay. I use a different "f" word when talking about it now and I've found nobody wishing they had my job anymore.
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:09 PM
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I think that 15 hours per week is more than Merck deserves. I don't think it makes any difference whether I "work" 15 hours or 115 hours per week, anyhow. Our existence as salespeople is a complete farce.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:49 AM
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I wish I was smart enough to discover the 15x15 method before my retirement. :-( I was so Merck loyal that physicians called me, "Mr. Merck". What stupidity. In the end they PIP'ed me to death and I retired. I could have a few years of easy living if I read about this topic earlier.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:11 PM
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I wish I was smart enough to discover the 15x15 method before my retirement. :-( I was so Merck loyal that physicians called me, "Mr. Merck". What stupidity. In the end they PIP'ed me to death and I retired. I could have a few years of easy living if I read about this topic earlier.
You put your job at risk if you follow the "15 x 15" advocated on this thread. If you can live with that, fine. If not, then better to be "Mr. Merck". I'm not saying to make your job your life (far from it!), but you have to put in a decent day's work to earn your salary/benefits. Otherwise, if you are "found out", you can join all the protesters on OWS!
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:13 PM
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I think that 15 hours per week is more than Merck deserves. I don't think it makes any difference whether I "work" 15 hours or 115 hours per week, anyhow. Our existence as salespeople is a complete farce.
well said...i totally agree...

that is the problem i always had with the job before I finally left the industry...

It really didn't matter if I got out of bed or not...
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:15 PM
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You put your job at risk if you follow the "15 x 15" advocated on this thread. If you can live with that, fine. If not, then better to be "Mr. Merck". I'm not saying to make your job your life (far from it!), but you have to put in a decent day's work to earn your salary/benefits. Otherwise, if you are "found out", you can join all the protesters on OWS!
not true at all...if you are a kiss ass that your manager likes, you can get away with anything...

if they don't like you, (ie. older smarter rep) nothing you do, or no amount of hours worked
is gonna save your sorry ass.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:57 PM
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And that is why this older rep is now instituting the newest version of 15X15
If your fairly smart, you will not get caught. Just do a few things now and then to get your name up in the lights and its smooth sailing. Its hard to get rid of people these days. Especially if your an older female rep or an older male rep. Age discrimination is a real thing here, and the company knows it. Yeah I like this version of 15X15. Take that longstreet.
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Old 11-18-2011, 04:28 PM
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not true at all...if you are a kiss ass that your manager likes, you can get away with anything...

if they don't like you, (ie. older smarter rep) nothing you do, or no amount of hours worked
is gonna save your sorry ass.
No one is safe...not even ass kissers....one day you're great, the next day you're not. But why give them easy ammunition to fire you? IT can run daily reports on what exactly you've been doing. Still say keep your nose clean to have the best chance of keeping your job (if that is what you want).
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Old 11-18-2011, 04:49 PM
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No one is safe...not even ass kissers....one day you're great, the next day you're not. But why give them easy ammunition to fire you? IT can run daily reports on what exactly you've been doing. Still say keep your nose clean to have the best chance of keeping your job (if that is what you want).
.....so sad....in constant fear of someone screwing you, trying to knock you down.....people (especially oldies) who have spent years working hard, trying to pay their bills and make a little for a rainy day and maybe someday a retirement......now they need to worry they don't fit the bill anymore.

Like its a click or a clash ...wow...maybe we all need to take compatability tests...could be an easy solution....like a happy marriage. Be together and click.
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:21 PM
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No one is safe...not even ass kissers....one day you're great, the next day you're not. But why give them easy ammunition to fire you? IT can run daily reports on what exactly you've been doing. Still say keep your nose clean to have the best chance of keeping your job (if that is what you want).
IF only that were true....keeping one's nose clean has very little if anything to do with keeping your job at Merck. That's why we've got so many people doing the 15X15 game to some degree. Look at all the reps who've had stellar records, recognition, and promotions within their position only to have the game get changed, past performance become no guarantee of future security (like investments), and all of a sudden past superstars find themselves working under some clown who thinks they "need improvement" in some bogus area and before they know it, a PIP gets issued and one way or other, that old former performer is gone. I've seen it enough to know this situation is not happening by coincidence. Merck has become a terrible place to have a job and it sounds like it's not just in field sales.
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:50 PM
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You put your job at risk if you follow the "15 x 15" advocated on this thread. If you can live with that, fine. If not, then better to be "Mr. Merck". I'm not saying to make your job your life (far from it!), but you have to put in a decent day's work to earn your salary/benefits. Otherwise, if you are "found out", you can join all the protesters on OWS!
Agreed. I probably would not be able to do this 15x15. Retirement became the best option or I would have gone postal with my ex-manager. He probably never knew how close I was to acting out my thoughts the way he was micromanaging me.
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:54 PM
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And that is why this older rep is now instituting the newest version of 15X15
If your fairly smart, you will not get caught. Just do a few things now and then to get your name up in the lights and its smooth sailing. Its hard to get rid of people these days. Especially if your an older female rep or an older male rep. Age discrimination is a real thing here, and the company knows it. Yeah I like this version of 15X15. Take that longstreet.
Merck has either figured a way out in avoiding age discrimination law suits or something. Most of the first wave of people forced to retire/resign or laid off were older reps and most were male. The female reps lasted a few more years.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:04 PM
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IF only that were true....keeping one's nose clean has very little if anything to do with keeping your job at Merck. That's why we've got so many people doing the 15X15 game to some degree. Look at all the reps who've had stellar records, recognition, and promotions within their position only to have the game get changed, past performance become no guarantee of future security (like investments), and all of a sudden past superstars find themselves working under some clown who thinks they "need improvement" in some bogus area and before they know it, a PIP gets issued and one way or other, that old former performer is gone. I've seen it enough to know this situation is not happening by coincidence. Merck has become a terrible place to have a job and it sounds like it's not just in field sales.
He speaks the truth! I was a victim of a "new" manager that said I needed improvement- My numbers were fantastic- best in the district- and I had been in my territory 8 years so my relationships were solid!
Ain't happening by coincidence folks! You better have your plan "B" ready cause before you know you'll be the next victim!!!
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:00 PM
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Agreed. I probably would not be able to do this 15x15. Retirement became the best option or I would have gone postal with my ex-manager. He probably never knew how close I was to acting out my thoughts the way he was micromanaging me.
I hear ya on that. My right fist came within an eyelash of this know-nothing "acting" DM and I'd only been on territory for 9 months. Everybody hated the guy and fortunately our regular DM returned from a medical leave. That is the only time I got close to losing control and resorting to physical contact with a manager. That was years ago, too. Quite frankly in today's environment, I'm really surprised we haven't had more reports of reps going postal over abusive treatment by management. The worst I've heard lately are reps driving off and stranding their managers.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:52 AM
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I hear ya on that. My right fist came within an eyelash of this know-nothing "acting" DM and I'd only been on territory for 9 months. Everybody hated the guy and fortunately our regular DM returned from a medical leave. That is the only time I got close to losing control and resorting to physical contact with a manager. That was years ago, too. Quite frankly in today's environment, I'm really surprised we haven't had more reports of reps going postal over abusive treatment by management. The worst I've heard lately are reps driving off and stranding their managers.
Two of my previous managers were almost kicked out of the rep's car. I once watched one of them coaching a rep for over half an hour after a call. It was a horrible sight. That guy is now the one that faked crying at a recent national meeting. The other has PIP'ed so many reps that I assume he has proven he will do anything as directed. Right now I am finishing my second cup of coffee as a retiree while my former manager is probably looking at data on his laptop and planning to coach or terrorize more reps next week.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:03 AM
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Two of my previous managers were almost kicked out of the rep's car. I once watched one of them coaching a rep for over half an hour after a call. It was a horrible sight. That guy is now the one that faked crying at a recent national meeting. The other has PIP'ed so many reps that I assume he has proven he will do anything as directed. Right now I am finishing my second cup of coffee as a retiree while my former manager is probably looking at data on his laptop and planning to coach or terrorize more reps next week.
Glad you could remove yourself from the stress.....and have a check too.
We forget, plenty of people here have little pension......and nothing much if the cut happens.....If you have the 15, 20 or more years here you are lucky indeed and in a safe zone.
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Old 11-19-2011, 02:14 PM
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And that is why this older rep is now instituting the newest version of 15X15
If your fairly smart, you will not get caught. Just do a few things now and then to get your name up in the lights and its smooth sailing. Its hard to get rid of people these days. Especially if your an older female rep or an older male rep. Age discrimination is a real thing here, and the company knows it. Yeah I like this version of 15X15. Take that longstreet.
but why would you not want to get caught and get out?? u must be lazy huh? or unmotivated to do something better than catering and signature collecting with your life...

15 X 15 may be necessary but it is nothing to be proud of...

You will come to a point where you realize you have wasted your life in pharma and it
will feel very empty...
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Old 11-19-2011, 02:47 PM
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but why would you not want to get caught and get out?? u must be lazy huh? or unmotivated to do something better than catering and signature collecting with your life...

15 X 15 may be necessary but it is nothing to be proud of...

You will come to a point where you realize you have wasted your life in pharma and it
will feel very empty...
Applies to the young reps who have 15-30 or more years of career to go.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:56 PM
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but why would you not want to get caught and get out?? u must be lazy huh? or unmotivated to do something better than catering and signature collecting with your life...

15 X 15 may be necessary but it is nothing to be proud of...

You will come to a point where you realize you have wasted your life in pharma and it
will feel very empty...
OP back. By instituting my 15x15 plan I'm not really wasting my life in Pharma anymore. Just 15 hours per week! The other 25 hours a week I'm living it up. Working out, taking my wife out during the week on business and having Merck pick up the checks and other things that I want to do. I've given myself a huge raise and feel much less stress. I've just recently bought a tape recorder to tape interactions with my manager to document the fact that he feels that I'm a good competent rep with strong solid sales skills and great relationships with top targets. Then if he pulls this "you're out of touch with your customers" BS, I will pull out a diary with all the notes of our discussions of how well he said I have been doing. I will have this and a recording as backup if ever needed. That way I will make myself a very tough target for a PIP and he will have to look for an easier target within the district instead of me. You gotta look out for yourself. Yeah, I may not have that Wharton MBA but I have great instincts, good common sense and balls! And really that's all you need. Better get to bed now I have a big 3 hour day ahead of me tomorrow!
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:29 AM
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OP back. By instituting my 15x15 plan I'm not really wasting my life in Pharma anymore. Just 15 hours per week! The other 25 hours a week I'm living it up. Working out, taking my wife out during the week on business and having Merck pick up the checks and other things that I want to do. I've given myself a huge raise and feel much less stress. I've just recently bought a tape recorder to tape interactions with my manager to document the fact that he feels that I'm a good competent rep with strong solid sales skills and great relationships with top targets. Then if he pulls this "you're out of touch with your customers" BS, I will pull out a diary with all the notes of our discussions of how well he said I have been doing. I will have this and a recording as backup if ever needed. That way I will make myself a very tough target for a PIP and he will have to look for an easier target within the district instead of me. You gotta look out for yourself. Yeah, I may not have that Wharton MBA but I have great instincts, good common sense and balls! And really that's all you need. Better get to bed now I have a big 3 hour day ahead of me tomorrow!
OK. But you're still living under some degree of stress even though you feel it is much less stress. I still have problems getting my mind around all the defensive work you're doing and wondering if that is worth it and if that is any way to have to live life. For you, the answer must be yes. For me, no, life is too short to have to play defense in a job that's a joke. My job becomes all about protecting/maximizing my job security. I'll hand it to you, it sounds like you've done your homework and have your bases covered.
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:00 PM
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OK. But you're still living under some degree of stress even though you feel it is much less stress. I still have problems getting my mind around all the defensive work you're doing and wondering if that is worth it and if that is any way to have to live life. For you, the answer must be yes. For me, no, life is too short to have to play defense in a job that's a joke. My job becomes all about protecting/maximizing my job security. I'll hand it to you, it sounds like you've done your homework and have your bases covered.
I agree with the above...I could not play defense for living...I was never brought up to fight my company for the right to keep my job, like one must do at Merck...Maybe I am a bit soft, but my dignity is so much more important to me than trying to keep my job as a drug rep...

I am much happier now that I got out of MERCK and pharma sales...But Kudos to the 15 X 15 guy...the more he scams Merck, the more I respect him actually...
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:10 PM
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"...protecting/maximizing my job security.."

Wow-you have a lot to learn grasshopper. You must not be paying attention to whats going on around you. Hows the kool aid taste? Do some reading around here. There is no job security-zero. Even if you do well-ask around if you dont beleive me. Maybe it feels better if you can keep dreaming.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:47 PM
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"...protecting/maximizing my job security.."

Wow-you have a lot to learn grasshopper. You must not be paying attention to whats going on around you. Hows the kool aid taste? Do some reading around here. There is no job security-zero. Even if you do well-ask around if you dont beleive me. Maybe it feels better if you can keep dreaming.
No, it sounds like you may have missed the point. I agree totally with you that job security doesn't exist. Like the OP, I'm just doing all I can to make it much harder to get rid of me in the typical manner that Merck is using with contrived deficiencies and PIP's. With my documentation and records, my manager will hopefully think long and hard before drumming up some bogus complaint against me. Perhaps we can agree that my efforts and strategy gives me "relative" job security, ok?
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:02 PM
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if your working so hard what are you doing on here during these hours? You still dont get it. I have worked for the company for 20 years. Until recently, everything changed-loss of job title, loss of potential bonus, getting pushed around by a rookie and very incompetent manager, etc. It all comes down to this: how much do you make? If you are doing bad and your making bank, they will pip you. If you are doing good and making bank, they will still fire your ass but will have to be a little more creative. you should know that you can keep up with slimy lawyers, which is exactly the person who will undo you. Keep working hard dude! You wont lose your job! You must bring too much value to your customers! Be well
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:02 PM
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if your working so hard what are you doing on here during these hours? You still dont get it. I have worked for the company for 20 years. Until recently, everything changed-loss of job title, loss of potential bonus, getting pushed around by a rookie and very incompetent manager, etc. It all comes down to this: how much do you make? If you are doing bad and your making bank, they will pip you. If you are doing good and making bank, they will still fire your ass but will have to be a little more creative. you should know that you can keep up with slimy lawyers, which is exactly the person who will undo you. Keep working hard dude! You wont lose your job! You must bring too much value to your customers! Be well
Part of the problem is that Merck management is no longer run by clinicians nor businessmen, but instead....slimy lawyers. This company is circling the drain.

This guy is spot on, by the way.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:15 PM
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Part of the problem is that Merck management is no longer run by clinicians nor businessmen, but instead....slimy lawyers. This company is circling the drain.

This guy is spot on, by the way.
Well then, please tell me what this dude is saying. It seems I'm told the quality of my work makes no difference, but my salary level does, and if it's in the higher range, my ass is in jeopardy, regardless. Were the last lines about continuing to work hard and bringing too much value to my customers, therefore I won't lose my job, all said in jest? If not, I don't get the point of the post.
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Well then, please tell me what this dude is saying. It seems I'm told the quality of my work makes no difference, but my salary level does, and if it's in the higher range, my ass is in jeopardy, regardless. Were the last lines about continuing to work hard and bringing too much value to my customers, therefore I won't lose my job, all said in jest? If not, I don't get the point of the post.
What he's saying is that the company is ridding itself of the expensive reps. Whether or not your performance is good is irrelevant. I've seen many stellar reps "resign" in recent years. It wasn't because they suddenly felt the need to move on; these people were pressured under the guise of their being poor performers, suddenly, after years of stellar work. It has nothing to do with performance---period.
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What he's saying is that the company is ridding itself of the expensive reps. Whether or not your performance is good is irrelevant. I've seen many stellar reps "resign" in recent years. It wasn't because they suddenly felt the need to move on; these people were pressured under the guise of their being poor performers, suddenly, after years of stellar work. It has nothing to do with performance---period.
Still no ridding of expensive big deal legacy reps...yet.

Some still ridin' high and rough shot on everyone in town....

It won't surprise me if it they stay another 5 year run....
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Still no ridding of expensive big deal legacy reps...yet.

Some still ridin' high and rough shot on everyone in town....

It won't surprise me if it they stay another 5 year run....
It appears they aren't riding the older reps out, as they are likely age discrimination lawsuits if that happens. It's cheaper to bridge them into retirement. The white 40-50 reps---especially men---are in the crosshairs.
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It appears they aren't riding the older reps out, as they are likely age discrimination lawsuits if that happens. It's cheaper to bridge them into retirement. The white 40-50 reps---especially men---are in the crosshairs.
What percent of older reps (45+) have the years in and high rank to be getting those big checks....
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In NJ age discrimination starts at 40. It varies from state to state.
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It appears they aren't riding the older reps out, as they are likely age discrimination lawsuits if that happens. It's cheaper to bridge them into retirement. The white 40-50 reps---especially men---are in the crosshairs.
"white 40-50 reps---especially men---are in the crosshairs"

....lousy.....should be by lottery without regard to anything else.
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It appears they aren't riding the older reps out, as they are likely age discrimination lawsuits if that happens. It's cheaper to bridge them into retirement. The white 40-50 reps---especially men---are in the crosshairs.
That's not discrimination?!
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That's not discrimination?!
Yes. now go try to prove it in court. You'll spend thousands and lose. Merck's legal team has structured the "optimization" to make it bullet-proof in court. It's a scum-filled organization, from their subverted ways of reducing head count to their lies to customers and employees alike. Does anyone really believe that ENHANCE has been delayed for any reason other than to salvage the sales of that miserable product? It's even more criminal than Vioxx, only no one died with Vytorin/Zetia----or at least no one that we've been told about.
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I agree with the above...I could not play defense for living...I was never brought up to fight my company for the right to keep my job, like one must do at Merck...Maybe I am a bit soft, but my dignity is so much more important to me than trying to keep my job as a drug rep...

I am much happier now that I got out of MERCK and pharma sales...But Kudos to the 15 X 15 guy...the more he scams Merck, the more I respect him actually...
I understand where the 15x15 guy is coming from with today's environment at Merck. But I don't think it is right to keep working and scamming Merck. I don't know how his spouse would happily endorse his new "free time" to go out for lunches or to the gym during working hours with her. But may be I am from the older generation. I hate what Merck is now. But I cannot make myself work the system that way. That was why I chose to retire instead.
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Yes. now go try to prove it in court. You'll spend thousands and lose. Merck's legal team has structured the "optimization" to make it bullet-proof in court. It's a scum-filled organization, from their subverted ways of reducing head count to their lies to customers and employees alike. Does anyone really believe that ENHANCE has been delayed for any reason other than to salvage the sales of that miserable product? It's even more criminal than Vioxx, only no one died with Vytorin/Zetia----or at least no one that we've been told about.
Very true. Merck is committee driven. Ken Frazier may have perfected the legal aspect further with lessons from all those Vioxx cases. I am sure someone have already sued Merck on age discrimination. As an attorney I talked to said it is all circumstantial. You cannot prove the managers and directors sat in a room and decided to get rid of older reps. They shred stuff. Try to request a copy of personnel file (they charge you for copies) and it is all sanitized. Merck has more time and money to drag it out forever.
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Very true. Merck is committee driven. Ken Frazier may have perfected the legal aspect further with lessons from all those Vioxx cases. I am sure someone have already sued Merck on age discrimination. As an attorney I talked to said it is all circumstantial. You cannot prove the managers and directors sat in a room and decided to get rid of older reps. They shred stuff. Try to request a copy of personnel file (they charge you for copies) and it is all sanitized. Merck has more time and money to drag it out forever.
And drag it out forever they will. Anybody contemplating legal action needs another job or other sources of income to live on during the years (decades?) a lawsuit could require. In reality, you either need a rock solid case that an attorney will take on contingency or a relative or good friend who will handle your case similarly. It will definitely take years, otherwise Merck will offer some settlement.
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Yes. now go try to prove it in court. You'll spend thousands and lose. Merck's legal team has structured the "optimization" to make it bullet-proof in court. It's a scum-filled organization, from their subverted ways of reducing head count to their lies to customers and employees alike. Does anyone really believe that ENHANCE has been delayed for any reason other than to salvage the sales of that miserable product? It's even more criminal than Vioxx, only no one died with Vytorin/Zetia----or at least no one that we've been told about.
It truly is a scum filled organization...and u must become scum to survive it...

that is why i finally left Schmerck...
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What he's saying is that the company is ridding itself of the expensive reps. Whether or not your performance is good is irrelevant. I've seen many stellar reps "resign" in recent years. It wasn't because they suddenly felt the need to move on; these people were pressured under the guise of their being poor performers, suddenly, after years of stellar work. It has nothing to do with performance---period.
I was one of those reps...Merck will just start making up lies about you to push you out...

don't trust anything or anybody in this company...

Toxic place to work...
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I was one of those reps...Merck will just start making up lies about you to push you out...

don't trust anything or anybody in this company...

Toxic place to work...
Me too, you are spot on.
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See that dude! Its all here in black and white. You got it-you have no job security based on your job merits around here anymore. It didnt used to be that way-this used to be a great company. Enter policital correctness, EEO, and "diversity." We got diversified all right-right out of the very top positon of the most admired companies-remember that in the mid-90's? Now look at us. We have had tons of successful reps forced out or made up reasons for pip's. You must be living in a different world than I am because I honestly cannot see anything positive coming from this company. Nothing. Dulera, Juvasync, and Januvia XR dont count. Hang on for as long as you can, but dont expect to get fulfillment out of your job or to get too comfortable because it can all happen very quickly..and also very easily. I dont know, keep the dream alive dude! Youve got it!
Oh man.
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