Someone's Suing the Bastards - HOORAY!

December 28, 2006

HARTFORD, Conn. - Susan Schaefer LaRose quit her sales job in May after 18 years with pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly and Co., frustrated by long workweeks that frequently encroached on weekends and vacations.

And then she sued.

Her lawsuit, part of a series of class action claims filed last month against nine major drug companies, seeks tens of millions of dollars in back pay for the thousands of drug company salespeople across the country. advertisement




"I was told when I started with Eli Lilly that I was exempt from overtime," said Schaefer LaRose, a 50-year-old mother of two from Chittenango, N.Y., about 17 miles east of Syracuse. "I never thought to question it."

The lawsuits, filed in New York, California, New Jersey and Connecticut, are the latest in a series of mass tort claims seeking overtime pay from U.S. businesses in recent years.

IBM Corp. last month agreed to pay $65 million to 32,000 technology workers who claimed their jobs were wrongly classified as overtime-exempt.

The pharmaceutical company lawsuits seek overtime wages dating back two to six years, under federal and state statutes of limitations.

Other companies affected are Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals Inc., AstraZeneca PLC, Pfizer Inc., Johnson & Johnson, Amgen Inc., Hoffman Larouch, GlaxoSmithKline PLC and Bayer AG.

Dana Higgs, another plaintiff who worked for Pfizer for over 20 years, added that the increasingly long workweeks have had an impact on families, especially single mothers who have been forced to make last-minute child-care arrangements and pay caregivers when called to work overtime.

"What they required of us was unfair," said Higgs, who lives in Pennsylvania. "My boss told me that I needed to be engaged in business 24/7."

Some of the companies deny the allegations, while others are reviewing the lawsuits before commenting.

Abby Baron, a spokeswoman for AstraZeneca, said her company adheres to all labor laws. Pfizer spokesman Bryant Haskins said the company would vigorously contest the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

December 28, 2006

HARTFORD, Conn. - Susan Schaefer LaRose quit her sales job in May after 18 years with pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly and Co., frustrated by long workweeks that frequently encroached on weekends and vacations.

And then she sued.

Her lawsuit, part of a series of class action claims filed last month against nine major drug companies, seeks tens of millions of dollars in back pay for the thousands of drug company salespeople across the country. advertisement




"I was told when I started with Eli Lilly that I was exempt from overtime," said Schaefer LaRose, a 50-year-old mother of two from Chittenango, N.Y., about 17 miles east of Syracuse. "I never thought to question it."

The lawsuits, filed in New York, California, New Jersey and Connecticut, are the latest in a series of mass tort claims seeking overtime pay from U.S. businesses in recent years.

IBM Corp. last month agreed to pay $65 million to 32,000 technology workers who claimed their jobs were wrongly classified as overtime-exempt.

The pharmaceutical company lawsuits seek overtime wages dating back two to six years, under federal and state statutes of limitations.

Other companies affected are Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals Inc., AstraZeneca PLC, Pfizer Inc., Johnson & Johnson, Amgen Inc., Hoffman Larouch, GlaxoSmithKline PLC and Bayer AG.

Dana Higgs, another plaintiff who worked for Pfizer for over 20 years, added that the increasingly long workweeks have had an impact on families, especially single mothers who have been forced to make last-minute child-care arrangements and pay caregivers when called to work overtime.

"What they required of us was unfair," said Higgs, who lives in Pennsylvania. "My boss told me that I needed to be engaged in business 24/7."

Some of the companies deny the allegations, while others are reviewing the lawsuits before commenting.

Abby Baron, a spokeswoman for AstraZeneca, said her company adheres to all labor laws. Pfizer spokesman Bryant Haskins said the company would vigorously contest the lawsuit.

She never should have joined the Pharma industry. She is better suited for a Union job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She never should have joined the Pharma industry. She is better suited for a Union job.

You don't get it, they deliberately classify the jobs a exempt to avoid paying you what you are due. You are better suited for a union job, unable to think or do anything other than what you are ordered to do. Finally someone stood up for their rights! They've also been using medical students and residents as cheap labor for years!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't get it, they deliberately classify the jobs a exempt to avoid paying you what you are due. You are better suited for a union job, unable to think or do anything other than what you are ordered to do. Finally someone stood up for their rights! They've also been using medical students and residents as cheap labor for years!

Sounds like you should be in a Union as well.
If you want hourly wages and overtime pay, then join a Union.
Boehringer and most all Pharma companies tell prospective employees that part of the job is administration and planning. That part of the job is not included in field time. If you and others were not told this, then quit. Lawyering up to go after Big Pharma? Sounds like you are no better than Michael Moore.

Oh puhleeze. Who do you think thought up the exempt from OT pay status to keep costs down? Legal & bean counters. That ranks up there with Wal-mart only hiring part time staff so they never had to pay fulltime benefits.

People who can and want to work crazy OT hours to get ahead in their careers should be rewarded for it. Good for their gumption.

But people who need a decent job, do a decent job, who are good, hard-working employess that simply can't go that extra time, and it is EXTRA, shouldn't be penalized for not being that available.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh puhleeze. Who do you think thought up the exempt from OT pay status to keep costs down? Legal & bean counters. That ranks up there with Wal-mart only hiring part time staff so they never had to pay fulltime benefits.

People who can and want to work crazy OT hours to get ahead in their careers should be rewarded for it. Good for their gumption.

But people who need a decent job, do a decent job, who are good, hard-working employess that simply can't go that extra time, and it is EXTRA, shouldn't be penalized for not being that available.

No one is being penalized. It is called market dynamics. There are many who will accept the conditions of Pharma sales. They would love to put in 50 hours a week for what you make. You really should consider a Union job. They will be sure that you and your types are not abused. You really don't know how lucky you are!
If you don't like the conditions in Pharma Sales- PLEEZE leave! There are many who would gladly accept these conditions and not bitch about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one is being penalized. It is called market dynamics. There are many who will accept the conditions of Pharma sales. They would love to put in 50 hours a week for what you make. You really should consider a Union job. They will be sure that you and your types are not abused. You really don't know how lucky you are!
If you don't like the conditions in Pharma Sales- PLEEZE leave! There are many who would gladly accept these conditions and not bitch about it.

The conditions of pharma sales? These are not conditions of pharma sales. These are UNWRITTEN and unethical rules. I actually work for one of the bigger companies NOT being sued by the way.
Where do you draw the line? At 50 e-mails in the evening? 100? Two reports a week? Twenty from your manager, twenty from your region manager and ten from any given task force? THAT is the point.

At the beginning of a 10 year career, it may have been one or two e-mails. Now its well into the double digits asking for "immediate" action. If I did everything in the evening and on weekends, I would NEVER leave my desk. You are clearly some type of manager with your attitude.

It's work/life balance, and upper management has to respect it if they want an honest day's work. Maybe they will reconsider whether or not to send an e-mail asking for "immediate" action. Most of these come from home office people who get to go home at 5pm. Maybe a manager will reconsider asking for another "tracking report". It will really filter out what is necessary work and what is busy work.

Let's go back to promoting are products and being a resource for our customers and their patients and stop churning out bullshit reports to justify some manager's job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The conditions of pharma sales? These are not conditions of pharma sales. These are UNWRITTEN and unethical rules. I actually work for one of the bigger companies NOT being sued by the way.
Where do you draw the line? At 50 e-mails in the evening? 100? Two reports a week? Twenty from your manager, twenty from your region manager and ten from any given task force? THAT is the point.

At the beginning of a 10 year career, it may have been one or two e-mails. Now its well into the double digits asking for "immediate" action. If I did everything in the evening and on weekends, I would NEVER leave my desk. You are clearly some type of manager with your attitude.

It's work/life balance, and upper management has to respect it if they want an honest day's work. Maybe they will reconsider whether or not to send an e-mail asking for "immediate" action. Most of these come from home office people who get to go home at 5pm. Maybe a manager will reconsider asking for another "tracking report". It will really filter out what is necessary work and what is busy work.

Let's go back to promoting are products and being a resource for our customers and their patients and stop churning out bullshit reports to justify some manager's job.

Again. If you do not like what you are doing, QUIT!
Life is too short to go through it bitching and moaning.
You won't change anything and if you quit you might just find something more fulfilling. Plus, you will open the door for someone who would love to take on these responsibilites that are obviously overwhelimg to you.

Unions have many 9-5 jobs that have nice benefits. You might have to give up your car, but if you have a grevance you can always call your Union rep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again. If you do not like what you are doing, QUIT!
Life is too short to go through it bitching and moaning.
You won't change anything and if you quit you might just find something more fulfilling. Plus, you will open the door for someone who would love to take on these responsibilites that are obviously overwhelimg to you.

Unions have many 9-5 jobs that have nice benefits. You might have to give up your car, but if you have a grevance you can always call your Union rep.

You don't get it. You can enjoy your job and not be harassed, right?
You're saying you won't change anything and if you quit you might find something more fulfilling. The person who filed the lawsuit WAS fulfilled but had to quit. And guess what? She IS CHANGING something. It's obvious you don't like it because you are a manager who obviously assigns mindless, time-consuming work that goes into evenings and weekends. You must not have a family and friends.
Face it. It's wrong and it's NOT part of the job when it's excessive.

Have to jump in here, its getting too good. I agree, if you dont like your job leave. Dont take the job and then ask for it to change. And to say that asking you to work evenings is "unethical" its ridiculous, it may be taking advantage of you but not unethical. By suing the company for unpaid overtime, you had better be able to show that you worked no less than 40 hrs a week. That doesnt count sitting at Starbucks in the morning or reading People magazine while you wait to get back in the office. Trust me, rarely does an individual work a true 40hr work week here. An hour for lunch and two 15 minute breaks, don't think so!

Lets move this to the front page and talk about the real issue: DM's. There are too many of them, and they are the ones who create the hostile environment. Pharma could save itself by ridding of half of the DM's and about 25% of the sales force. DM's are the problem. You dont need 1 DM for 6-8 reps riding with them 2 days every month. This really is ridiculous and is not necesary if you hire the right people.

If you don't like it, quit? Wow. What a craptastic attitude. Put up or get out. Hmmmm.

Might as well lay back and enjoy it?

You can't be American. I can't think of a single quality LESS American than thinking you have to put up with someone in power taking advantage of you.

Ooooohhh don't rock the boat. You could spill all that tea!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't like it, quit? Wow. What a craptastic attitude. Put up or get out. Hmmmm.

Might as well lay back and enjoy it?

You can't be American. I can't think of a single quality LESS American than thinking you have to put up with someone in power taking advantage of you.

Ooooohhh don't rock the boat. You could spill all that tea!

Finally, someone who gets it! To the idiot who said, "Don't take the job and then tell them to change," When you take the job they don't tell you that they expect to OWN you 24/7. They are the ones who have changed the job, for the worse! And if you do like it so much, work for free. When you figure out what you are being paid, on an hourly basis, or cheated out of you will understand, but they are counting on your mindless conformation to their orders, so march on......BTW, not sitting at Starbucks, or goofing around, I actually work, 20 yrs worth! Thru lunch, breakfasts, dinners, weekend conventions, weekend training classes, evening dinner meetings, They owe me big time! No comp days, ever. If you need to go to the dr or dentist, it's on your time, not theirs. Even had car repairs and maintenance on my time. Studying for new drugs, indications, tests, and other sales bs on MY time. So don't start on how we have it so good. No other industry has moron DMs ride with you and criticize your every word, and movement. It's insane. And change never happens if everyone just, gets another job. Clue in, junior!
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Well said!!! You speak for quite a few reps.

Find another job where you make $70,000 right out of the gate, with a free company car, free gas, almost 7 weeks off when you consider holidays, good benefits, chances for prizes and trips and lets not forget, you can eat lunch for free every day if you have the initiative to schedule one. You think this is working hard? We where dress clothes, work in the air conditioning and talk for a living. Get over it. This job is a steal even if you are working 8 - 5 which most of you are not. And yes, sometimes you do have to do a little work at home to prepare you for making money the next day. Boo Hoo. You people need to sit in a cubicle for 8 hours a day making $30,000 a year or teach high school kids for 30 grand a year with no chance at promotion. The next time you look at the want ads, check out all the jobs out there that don't pay squat for people with the same degrees you all have. Surely, someone will post a smart aleck reply to this about "being a company guy" or "drinking the red Kool-Aid". That's fine. The fact of the matter is, no matter what they ask me to do at this job, it beats the hell out of working in the heat, retail, healthcare and anything else I've done. The next time you get ready to gripe about this job, remember the people that don't get two weeks off in an entire year, let alone 2 weeks around Christmas and then another 5 whenever you feel like it. Have some work ethic and appreciate what you have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally, someone who gets it! To the idiot who said, "Don't take the job and then tell them to change," When you take the job they don't tell you that they expect to OWN you 24/7. They are the ones who have changed the job, for the worse! And if you do like it so much, work for free. When you figure out what you are being paid, on an hourly basis, or cheated out of you will understand, but they are counting on your mindless conformation to their orders, so march on......BTW, not sitting at Starbucks, or goofing around, I actually work, 20 yrs worth! Thru lunch, breakfasts, dinners, weekend conventions, weekend training classes, evening dinner meetings, They owe me big time! No comp days, ever. If you need to go to the dr or dentist, it's on your time, not theirs. Even had car repairs and maintenance on my time. Studying for new drugs, indications, tests, and other sales bs on MY time. So don't start on how we have it so good. No other industry has moron DMs ride with you and criticize your every word, and movement. It's insane. And change never happens if everyone just, gets another job. Clue in, junior!
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Guess that I'm the "junior" that you're referring to so I'll take it from here. Hey gramps, change your Depends and settle down, you may break a hip. You are getting confused! Your post tells me that you work for a dumbsh*t of a DM, getting your company car fixed on your time, etc... grow a set of balls already and tell him/her that these are work related issues that need to be dealt with on company time. Your post also tells me that you've been doing this a while and therefore have golden handcuffs. You have built your lifestyle around your salary and now that you are unhappy with what you do, you look around and see that there is no other job on the planet that you can work this little and get paid this much. You simply can't leave! Lastly, in regards to DM ride alongs, how else are they supposed to judge us, on sales? There are too many of us selling the same product to judge us on sales reports alone. Your next reply would be too simply cut the sales force but you wouldn't want that to happen since your tenure would put you at jeopardy. I take it all back, don't settle down, if I was you I would be sh*tting my Depends as well, if I was as F*cked as you!

That's just great. The two primary voices of BI. The disgruntled senior rep that thinks everyone owes them something because they have managed to not get fired for this long and the belligerent young moron who is so verbally inept that they make most of their key points around bowel control.

Sr. rep, ask anyone else in the work force if you offer them a company car for free, with free insurance, gas, maintenance etc and all they have to do is take 10 minutes every 3 months and get the oil changed on their own time, if they would do it. I think the answer is pretty obvious there. Quit complaining and use your experience to help your partners instead of complaining about your job and your DM trying to make you a better sales person.

Jr. rep, this isn't an episode of Wild N Out. Unfortunately, you have some decent points that were lost because you chose to frame them like a 13 year old boy in a cut down contest. Don't stoop to that man, you don't need to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't get it. You can enjoy your job and not be harassed, right?
You're saying you won't change anything and if you quit you might find something more fulfilling. The person who filed the lawsuit WAS fulfilled but had to quit. And guess what? She IS CHANGING something. It's obvious you don't like it because you are a manager who obviously assigns mindless, time-consuming work that goes into evenings and weekends. You must not have a family and friends.
Face it. It's wrong and it's NOT part of the job when it's excessive.

I do get it. You chose a job that you no longer like. So quit ! Don't praise people who sue, and don't think you will change things. If you had any credibility as a business person you would have been in the management track by now. BTW I AM NOT A DM, but I respect them. The situation all Pharma companies are in, over regulation, generics, managed care, etc has changed the landscape. There are WAY too many reps in Pharma and the collapse is bound to happen someday. For now those who do the job, find ways to see doctors and sell will survive and be valued.
The job will never be what it was and the only certainty is more change that you won't like. Puleeze do us all a favor and QUIT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's just great. The two primary voices of BI. The disgruntled senior rep that thinks everyone owes them something because they have managed to not get fired for this long and the belligerent young moron who is so verbally inept that they make most of their key points around bowel control.

Sr. rep, ask anyone else in the work force if you offer them a company car for free, with free insurance, gas, maintenance etc and all they have to do is take 10 minutes every 3 months and get the oil changed on their own time, if they would do it. I think the answer is pretty obvious there. Quit complaining and use your experience to help your partners instead of complaining about your job and your DM trying to make you a better sales person.

Jr. rep, this isn't an episode of Wild N Out. Unfortunately, you have some decent points that were lost because you chose to frame them like a 13 year old boy in a cut down contest. Don't stoop to that man, you don't need to.

Not sure what Wild N Out is, but it sounds like it could be interesting!

Isnt this whole thread based around the pending lawsuit? We appear to be way off topic which is great, however, how can someone who is a salaried employee claim overtime? This job is not paid by the hour! No one mandating that you attend all the after hours programs. You cannot be given a unfair rating on your review if your sales are there and you have met all your performance matrices. You may get the minimum 3.0% increase compared to the others that do go and attend eveything but that is to be expected.

Sage advice to Susan Schaefer LeRose...GET OVER IT!

Pursue work as a teacher or technician in a hospital and you'll quickly realize how good you had it. Stop the nonsense!

Be careful what you / we ask for!!! If overtime pay is supported by the courts our pay structure will change.

1. Base salary could be reduced so that with documented overtime the "salary " is the same. That has happened in hospitals where a Tech( lab, x-ray , nursing,) gets a raise with a promotion but loses overtime. When the union pushed for overtime for those supervisors , the hospital restructured the whole pay package and reduced the base salary. This has happened in other areas and is legal.
2. Eliminate salary and make the position 100% commission.
3. Legally the day starts when you enter the first call and ends when you leave the last call. Breaks and lunch are mandatory., or if you work a lunch in an office you take off and relax from 1:00-2:00. The IRS counts personal miles that way, legally if you drive 40 miles to you first call thatis a personal commute just like someone in an office.

Many other "positives " could happen. Thanks for helping force these changes

I can very well see both sides of this argument. However,I signed up to be a sales Rep not to push paper and turn in reports all hours of the night. If DM's were also made to go out and make calls on top of their admin duties than this would be a fair fight but they are not. You cannot ask a sales rep to do his job and admin and answer to some asshole DM with his/her feet kicked up in their office because a expense report is due.Pleaseeeee remember that a Sales Rep was hired to sale,sales Sale,SALE,SALE!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can very well see both sides of this argument. However,I signed up to be a sales Rep not to push paper and turn in reports all hours of the night. If DM's were also made to go out and make calls on top of their admin duties than this would be a fair fight but they are not. You cannot ask a sales rep to do his job and admin and answer to some asshole DM with his/her feet kicked up in their office because a expense report is due.Pleaseeeee remember that a Sales Rep was hired to sale,sales Sale,SALE,SALE!!!!

Do you honestly think that the reports that you are asked to do are from your DM, c'mon you think that they give a rat's ass regarding anything but what they are told to care about? Please remember, we are not sales reps we are "consultants". Sales reps have an invoice at the end of the day, we have call activity.

Are you serious? You want to talk about a fair playing field? DM's are in the field 4 days a week with the reps making those sales calls. And as far as their admin day, what a joke. My admin day starts at 6 oclock in the morning and only ends at 5 if I'm willing to dedicate part of my weekend to it. You have basically no paperwork with the new system and if your DM rolled all the assignments down to you that corporate asks us to, you would be in front of your computer more than your steering wheel. And as far as your job being to SALE,SALE,SALE, I am assuming you mean sell, sell, sell, what do you think the purpose of your paperwork is? Samples have to be accounted for, expenses have to be reported and calls need to be transmitted. This enables you to go and sell. Were you even around when we had to write bi-monthly business reviews, enter call notes for every call and manually enter everything into Aspire or VISTA?

The next time you feel like bitching about your DM, schedule yourself 42 days of meetings this year along with making time to update and review 12 Max plans, 144 expense reports, 104 Field Contacts, On Track to Success for 12 people and be sure to get them into Self Assessment, Targeted Selection, CFT and MDC. With your spare time why don't you keep up with everyones oil changes, LOS assignments, sample reconciliations, speaker programs, rep call budgets, reach and frequency, 30 emails a day and Vista issues. Oh yea, don't forget to leave time to plan and facilitate your POA meetings too once you finally get back home. And by the way, since you are required to have 90 days in the field with your reps, that leaves you about 10 days a year to take care of all of the hiring and training that needs to be done or you will get a "partially met expectations" on your own Max Plan. And my favorite part? Listening to self righteous, lazy slackers like you complain about having to do a little bit of work at home for their $70,000 a year. Do us all a favor skippy, take your BA in Communications from Can't Move Away From Mama State University and get out in the real workforce for a few years and see what it's like to pay for your own lunch, buy your own car and not be sent to the Carribean when you have a good year. And be sure to make plans for that standard two weeks of vacation every year. You're probably not smart enough to realize it but your teamates, DM and probably even your RD consider you dead weight and would give anything for you to move on to your next underachievement. Congrats, sounds like you were a great hire!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? You want to talk about a fair playing field? DM's are in the field 4 days a week with the reps making those sales calls. And as far as their admin day, what a joke. My admin day starts at 6 oclock in the morning and only ends at 5 if I'm willing to dedicate part of my weekend to it. You have basically no paperwork with the new system and if your DM rolled all the assignments down to you that corporate asks us to, you would be in front of your computer more than your steering wheel. And as far as your job being to SALE,SALE,SALE, I am assuming you mean sell, sell, sell, what do you think the purpose of your paperwork is? Samples have to be accounted for, expenses have to be reported and calls need to be transmitted. This enables you to go and sell. Were you even around when we had to write bi-monthly business reviews, enter call notes for every call and manually enter everything into Aspire or VISTA?

The next time you feel like bitching about your DM, schedule yourself 42 days of meetings this year along with making time to update and review 12 Max plans, 144 expense reports, 104 Field Contacts, On Track to Success for 12 people and be sure to get them into Self Assessment, Targeted Selection, CFT and MDC. With your spare time why don't you keep up with everyones oil changes, LOS assignments, sample reconciliations, speaker programs, rep call budgets, reach and frequency, 30 emails a day and Vista issues. Oh yea, don't forget to leave time to plan and facilitate your POA meetings too once you finally get back home. And by the way, since you are required to have 90 days in the field with your reps, that leaves you about 10 days a year to take care of all of the hiring and training that needs to be done or you will get a "partially met expectations" on your own Max Plan. And my favorite part? Listening to self righteous, lazy slackers like you complain about having to do a little bit of work at home for their $70,000 a year. Do us all a favor skippy, take your BA in Communications from Can't Move Away From Mama State University and get out in the real workforce for a few years and see what it's like to pay for your own lunch, buy your own car and not be sent to the Carribean when you have a good year. And be sure to make plans for that standard two weeks of vacation every year. You're probably not smart enough to realize it but your teamates, DM and probably even your RD consider you dead weight and would give anything for you to move on to your next underachievement. Congrats, sounds like you were a great hire!

Holy Sh*t you snapped! Good for you, as a rep I can see your point, but please dont see all of us in this "slacker" light

Another class action lawsuit that will line the pockets of attourneys. We had better hope this does not go against the current status or look for companies to start paying by the hour. I inform all candidates that this job or any sales job is not always 8:30 A.M. to 5:00 P.M. I also ask if traveling to meetings or in covering the assignment a problem. If it is, they need to be in another profession. The nature of sales is that there are responsibilities from time to time that fall out of the normal work hours. This compnay provides DLS lines, and now wireless service to help keep our sales people from working very long in the evenings. As far as the dinner programs, that is the business. with 3-4-5 people on a team, it should not be too difficult to keep any one rep from working too many evenings. I don't think the field rep wants a "clock" they have to punch to provide a base of 40-45 hours, so that anytime after that would be overtime. This is factory mentality.

Anyone can bring a lawsuit against anyone. It doesn't mean it has merit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't get it, they deliberately classify the jobs a exempt to avoid paying you what you are due. You are better suited for a union job, unable to think or do anything other than what you are ordered to do. Finally someone stood up for their rights! They've also been using medical students and residents as cheap labor for years!

I think I do get it! Your posting (fishing) from your well appointed corporate offices of Kingsley and Kingsley. You Socialist hypocrits are attempting to target the evil drug industry any way you can. You are costing the tax payer and an industry that was build on hard work and good intention. You should be ashamed! I hate lawyers!

I think most people who get paid overtime, do not receive commissions. I could be mistaken though.

Can you get some computer work done during the day while you are waiting to see drs?

I hope she wins

VERY well put. I would like to add one thing.

DMs also have to travel to each rep’s territory before they meet you in the morning for a field ride. This requires waking up very early or staying overnight in a hotel the night before.

When we leave you at the end of the day we have a long drive home or to a hotel in the next territory we are scheduled to work in. When we get there we have our admin to do for the day.

I am not saying this to complain, but to simply point out the level of commitment we have for our job and the dedication we have for everyone’s success.

As far as the law suit, be careful what you wish for until you investigate the solutions and how they may affect all of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? You want to talk about a fair playing field? DM's are in the field 4 days a week with the reps making those sales calls. And as far as their admin day, what a joke. My admin day starts at 6 oclock in the morning and only ends at 5 if I'm willing to dedicate part of my weekend to it. You have basically no paperwork with the new system and if your DM rolled all the assignments down to you that corporate asks us to, you would be in front of your computer more than your steering wheel. And as far as your job being to SALE,SALE,SALE, I am assuming you mean sell, sell, sell, what do you think the purpose of your paperwork is? Samples have to be accounted for, expenses have to be reported and calls need to be transmitted. This enables you to go and sell. Were you even around when we had to write bi-monthly business reviews, enter call notes for every call and manually enter everything into Aspire or VISTA?

The next time you feel like bitching about your DM, schedule yourself 42 days of meetings this year along with making time to update and review 12 Max plans, 144 expense reports, 104 Field Contacts, On Track to Success for 12 people and be sure to get them into Self Assessment, Targeted Selection, CFT and MDC. With your spare time why don't you keep up with everyones oil changes, LOS assignments, sample reconciliations, speaker programs, rep call budgets, reach and frequency, 30 emails a day and Vista issues. Oh yea, don't forget to leave time to plan and facilitate your POA meetings too once you finally get back home. And by the way, since you are required to have 90 days in the field with your reps, that leaves you about 10 days a year to take care of all of the hiring and training that needs to be done or you will get a "partially met expectations" on your own Max Plan. And my favorite part? Listening to self righteous, lazy slackers like you complain about having to do a little bit of work at home for their $70,000 a year. Do us all a favor skippy, take your BA in Communications from Can't Move Away From Mama State University and get out in the real workforce for a few years and see what it's like to pay for your own lunch, buy your own car and not be sent to the Carribean when you have a good year. And be sure to make plans for that standard two weeks of vacation every year. You're probably not smart enough to realize it but your teamates, DM and probably even your RD consider you dead weight and would give anything for you to move on to your next underachievement. Congrats, sounds like you were a great hire!

Great thread. The "rep" was right on target while sorry to say the manager failed to get his the point across in a articulate fashion.

I don't think the good ole boys network has any idea what it is like to be a woman working in this field. Our responsibilities don't end with our work but frequently we are in charge of all 'domestic' matters. I don't have children but an ex-husband who was useless.

Worked in this field a few years and left as it was clear that I was never going to fit what they deemed management quality. You would have to be a certain caliber of woman if you catch my drift.

I left and make a better salary and have a better QOL. That is what really matters to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great thread. The "rep" was right on target while sorry to say the manager failed to get his the point across in a articulate fashion.

I don't think the good ole boys network has any idea what it is like to be a woman working in this field. Our responsibilities don't end with our work but frequently we are in charge of all 'domestic' matters. I don't have children but an ex-husband who was useless.

Worked in this field a few years and left as it was clear that I was never going to fit what they deemed management quality. You would have to be a certain caliber of woman if you catch my drift.

I left and make a better salary and have a better QOL. That is what really matters to me.

Do you idiots not read? SCOTUS already ruled on this and decided in favor of the companies. This saves you from constant GPS monitoring of your time in the field which for most reps would be the kiss of death. Now get your lazy ass to work.