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  1. Anonymous

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    Is there some hidden point to your cut-n-paste blather?
     

  2. Anonymous

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    We have already seen clear evidence of this with the Utopian Dream called Obamacare...

    “No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan.”

    - Now, who is it that's REALLY in denial?
     
  3. Anonymous

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    Good grief! I was in Europe for 3 months, come back and this thread is still going, still has the same rants, and still the same 2 guys whining and arguing. I suggest you 2 meet somewhere and duke it out, or at least come up with some new fodder for this discussion which has nothing to do with what you toddlers have made of it.
     
  4. Anonymous

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    ACA is a joke.
    Not even close to a Utopian dream.

    Research European healthcare market models for data.
     
  5. Anonymous

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    It has degenerated into who will get the last word in...I will admit.


    What topic do you want to discuss?
    I'm always open for something new...
     
  6. Anonymous

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    That's not what you liberal Fucks thought before Obamacare passed.
    Utopian dreams are just that, dreams and more like nightmares.
    But that doesn't stop you tards from continually trying to ram it down our throats.
     
  7. Anonymous

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    Yeah, let's end it. Hopefully, you are done with embarrassing yourself and I am really getting bored destroying every Utopian dream you have ever had.
     
  8. Anonymous

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    Aren't you gonna yell at that fuck? 3 months in Europe, he obviously doesn't work for Novartis. Or, maybe he is just a delusional liar, like you.
     
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    Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas. Despite its short atmospheric half life of 7 years, methane has a global warming potential of 62 over 20 years and 21 over 100 years (IPCC, 1996; Berner and Berner, 1996; vanLoon and Duffy, 2000). The sudden release of large amounts of natural gas from methane clathrate deposits has been hypothesized as a cause of past and possibly future climate changes. Events possibly linked in this way are the Permian-Triassic extinction event and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.
    Climate scientists like James E. Hansen predict that methane clathrates in the permafrost regions will be released consequent to global warming, unleashing powerful feedback forces which may cause runaway climate change that cannot be controlled.
    Recent research carried out in 2008 in the Siberian Arctic has shown millions of tonnes of methane being released[36][37][38][39][40] with concentrations in some regions reaching up to 100 times above normal.[41]
    In their Correspondence in the September 2013 Nature Geoscience journal, Vonk and Gustafsson cautioned that the most probable mechanism to strengthen global warming is large-scale thawing of Arctic permafrost which will release methane clathrate into the atmosphere.[42] While performing research in July in plumes in the East Siberian Arctic Ocean, Gustafsson and Vonk were surprised by the high concentration of methane.[43]
    In 2014 based on their research on the northern United States Atlantic marine continental margins from Cape Hatteras to Georges Bank, a group of scientists from the US Geological Survey, the Department of Geosciences, Mississippi State University, Department of Geological Sciences, Brown University and Earth Resources Technology, claimed there was widespread leakage of methane.[44] [45]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate#Methane_clathrates_and_climate_change
     
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    The House of Representatives on Friday failed to approve a stopgap funding bill for the U.S. domestic security agency, increasing the threat of a partial agency shutdown at midnight.

    With just hours left before spending authority expires for the Department of Homeland Security, a three-week spending bill was rejected in the House by a 224-203 vote, leaving lawmakers with few options ahead of the deadline.

    Congressional leaders made no immediate comment about their next step in a political battle sparked by Republican efforts to block funding for Democratic President Barack Obama's executive orders on immigration by attaching provisions to the department spending bill.

    If current funding is not extended by Friday at midnight, spending authority will be cut off for the agency that secures U.S. borders, airports and coastal waters. The agency would be forced to furlough about 30,000 employees, or about 15 percent of its workforce.

    Nearly 200,000 workers, including airport and border security agents and Coast Guard personnel would stay on the job, but would not be paid until new funding is approved.

    Created after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, the department is a super-agency that encompasses the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, the Transportation Security Administration and immigration, customs and emergency management authorities.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/27/us-usa-congress-security-idUSKBN0LV27420150227
     
  12. Anonymous

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    That's the best deal Christie could pull off?



    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/28/nyregion/exxon-mobil-settles-with-new-jersey-over-environmental-damage.html

    A long-fought legal battle to recover $8.9 billion in damages from Exxon Mobil Corporation for the contamination and loss of use of more than 1,500 acres of wetlands, marshes, meadows and waters in northern New Jersey has been quietly settled by the state for around $250 million.

    The lawsuits, filed by the State Department of Environmental Protection in 2004, had been litigated by the administrations of four New Jersey governors, finally advancing last year to trial. By then, Exxon’s liability was no longer in dispute; the only issue was how much it would pay in damages.

    The stakes were high, given the enormous cost the state’s experts had placed on restoring and replacing the resources damaged by decades of oil refining and other petrochemical operations, as well as of the public’s loss of use of the land.

    “The scope of the environmental damage resulting from the discharges is as obvious as it is staggering and unprecedented in New Jersey,” the administration of Gov. Chris Christie said in a court brief filed in November.

    ...

    Exxon did contribute $500,000 to the Republican Governors Association in May 2014, when Mr. Christie was serving a one-year term as its chairman; the company has contributed annually to the group since at least 2008, records show.
     
  13. Anonymous

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    Isn't it obvious? You whackos have not prayed to Al Gore hard enough. You haven't purchased enough carbon-credits. Now we have to deal with farty-smelling methane gas. Thou art not Pius.
     
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    As it limps away, February will not be missed. With the average temperature for the month lingering around 24 degrees, some 11 degrees shy of normal by the National Weather Service’s calculation, this insult of a month looks as though it will clock in as the coldest recorded February in New York City since 1934. That is 81 years of weather. That is all the way back to the Depression, when there were so many more dire things to worry about than whether 7-Eleven had salt or whose turn it was to walk the dog.
     
  15. Anonymous

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    Amazing video of exploding under-ice methane gas in Siberia ...
    Methane gas locked inside Siberia's frozen soil and under its lakes is currently being released ...

    http://youtu.be/DuxilGev8dI
     
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    Perhaps we should begin discussing Global Warming?
     
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    we can do that:

    A prominent academic and climate change denier’s work was funded almost entirely by the energy industry, receiving more than $1.2m from companies, lobby groups and oil billionaires over more than a decade, newly released documents show.

    Over the last 14 years Willie Soon, a researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, received a total of $1.25m from Exxon Mobil, Southern Company, the American Petroleum Institute (API) and a foundation run by the ultra-conservative Koch brothers, the documents obtained by Greenpeace through freedom of information filings show.

    ...

    Unlike the vast majority of scientists, Soon does not accept that rising greenhouse gas emissions since the industrial age are causing climate changes. He contends climate change is driven by the sun.

    In the relatively small universe of climate denial Soon, with his Harvard-Smithsonian credentials, was a sought after commodity. He was cited admiringly by Senator James Inhofe, the Oklahoma Republican who famously called global warming a hoax. He was called to testify when Republicans in the Kansas state legislature tried to block measures promoting wind and solar power. The Heartland Institute, a hub of climate denial, gave Soon a courage award.

    Soon did not enjoy such recognition from the scientific community. There were no grants from Nasa, the National Science Foundation or the other institutions which were funding his colleagues at the Center for Astrophysics. According to the documents, his work was funded almost entirely by the fossil fuel lobby.

    “The question here is really: ‘What did API, ExxonMobil, Southern Company and Charles Koch see in Willie Soon? What did they get for $1m-plus,” said Kert Davies, a former Greenpeace researcher who filed the original freedom of information requests. Greenpeace and the Climate Investigations Center, of which Davies is the founder, shared the documents with news organisations.

    “Did they simply hope he was on to research that would disprove the consensus? Or was it too enticing to be able to basically buy the nameplate Harvard-Smithsonian?”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/21/climate-change-denier-willie-soon-funded-energy-industry

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    World renowned climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe visited St. George’s Cathedral to present “Climate Change: Facts, Fiction and Faith,” an overview of the effects of human activity on the climate and how this problem relates to values and religion.

    In an attempt to close, or lessen, the rift between Christian-conservative values and environmentalism, Hayhoe presents her scientific findings and religious faith on an annual basis, emphasizing leaving political leanings behind and the possibility of a more holistic approach.

    “What I do specifically is study what climate change means to us right here and now in the places where we live,” Hayhoe said. “The biggest thing we’re seeing today is that climate change is already affecting us and, depending on the choices we make today, we’re going to see very different futures.”

    Initially hailing from Toronto, Hayhoe, a devout Christian and atmospheric scientist, now lives and works in Texas, teaching at Texas Tech University. In 2012, she was named one of Christianity Today’s 50 women to watch, and some of her findings have been presented to Congress.

    Over the past few years, deemed a climate change evangelist, Hayhoe has been communicating to the Christian demographic that climate change is a very real problem.

    “I’m from a community where the vast majority of people do not think climate change is real,” she said. “It’s not that Christians are biased, it’s that very conservative people are.”

    People have become more politically polarized during the past 20 years in the U.S., and environmentalism has turned into a crisis of identity, she said.

    “We’ve been told in the States we can’t be who we are and think that climate change is real,” she said, “so my main message to people is that being a Christian and conservative is entirely compatible with caring about climate change and the environment.”

    Her research encompasses assessing the impacts of climate change on a local and regional scale. She works in tandem with cities, engineers, states and federal agencies to better prepare for a warming planet, emphasizing the importance of choice and the consequences to follow.

    “I study how we can prepare for a changing climate depending on the choices we make,” said Hayhoe, “because until we know the consequences of our choices, we’re aren’t going to know when to do something different.”

    To Hayhoe, science can only go so far to influence choice.

    “In the case of the climate, science can tell us it’s changing, why it’s changing, and tell us that it’s us,” she said. “It can tell us what our world would will look like if we continue to depend on fossil fuels for our energy. But that’s where science ends, because it can’t tell us what’s the right choice to make, which policy to use — it can’t give us the motivation to want to change. That’s where our values come in, and, for many of us, our values come from our faith.”

    Hayhoe believes the crux of the matter is integrating the environment comprehensively into all policies and planning.

    “In west Texas, there are a lot of straight roads,” she said, “so straight you could literally drive down the road looking in your rear-view mirror and you’d stay on the road. That’s the way we’ve been operating as a society — driving down the road, looking behind us.”

    The solution to this, according to Hayhoe, is to anticipate the bend in the road, not follow the same trajectory and entrenched patterns of behaviour and belief.

    “Depending on the choices we make today — how much coal, natural gas, oil we use and how much more carbon we put into the atmosphere — that curve in the road is going to get steeper and steeper,” she said. “At some point, it’s going to get harder to stay on the road.”

    Hayhoe believes people have an inherent capacity to understand, appreciate and value the environment, but that some need to connect the dots.

    “My main hope is to change people’s minds,” she said. “Climate change isn’t simply another item on our list, it’s already affecting the things we care about.”

    http://www.thewhig.com/2015/02/19/scientist-ensures-deniers-climate-change-is-real

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    Dr. Katharine Hayhoe - Climate Change: Facts, Fictions, and our Faith

    Trinity Western University’s 2014 Distinguished Lecture Series featured renowned atmospheric scientist and evangelical Christian Dr. Katharine Hayhoe. On October 14, 2014, she gave a lecture titled "Climate Change: Facts, Fictions, and our Faith."

    https://vimeo.com/108939597
     
  20. Anonymous

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    you do know that it's winter?

    and by the way, weather =! climate