CYMBALTA IS SOOO GREAT BECAUSE...

OK. I have an IV with Lilly selling Cymbalta. I'm sure many of you think it sucks, blah blah blah...BUT, I really want to get this position; therefore, could those reps out there selling Cymblata please give me some great material to use in an IV? I've visted the company website and perused through some other things online but I know YOU reps would know what to say best of all. I'd really like to shine in this IV, so anything would be helpful.

Any statistics, other #s? Where does it rank as an anti-dep?

Serious responses only please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK. I have an IV with Lilly selling Cymbalta. I'm sure many of you think it sucks, blah blah blah...BUT, I really want to get this position; therefore, could those reps out there selling Cymblata please give me some great material to use in an IV? I've visted the company website and perused through some other things online but I know YOU reps would know what to say best of all. I'd really like to shine in this IV, so anything would be helpful.

Any statistics, other #s? Where does it rank as an anti-dep?

Serious responses only please.

This is a serious response. Any great material on Cymbalta will be misleading physicians and the public which can onlly result in more deaths and do you really want that on your hands?

http://www.slate.com/id/2126918/

"Drug Secrets
What the FDA isn't telling.
By Jeanne Lenzer
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 27, 2005, at 6:38 AM ET

Traci Johnson's body was discovered on Feb. 7, 2004, hanging by a scarf from a shower rod in an Indianapolis laboratory run by the drug company Eli Lilly. The 19-year-old college student had been serving as a test subject in a clinical trial of the experimental antidepressant duloxetine. Investigators from the Food and Drug Administration rushed to Indianapolis to determine whether the experimental drug was related to her death. The probe was inconclusive.

This left researchers in a quandary: Was the drug safe or not? Could duloxetine trigger suicide, as some experts suggested? Or was Johnson's death an "isolated tragedy," as Eli Lilly claimed? When drug manufacturers fail to publish negative study results, as studies show is often the case, the best source of information about these questions is the FDA. The agency—which was rocked last week by the sudden resignation of Commissioner Lester Crawford—requires companies seeking approval for a drug to provide data from randomized controlled trials, studies in which some patients are given the drug and others are given a placebo. But when researchers and the press started asking about duloxetine, the FDA didn't scour its database and go public. It kept quiet.

The FDA gave a legal rationale for its silence: Some clinical trial data are considered "trade secrets," or commercially protected information, and thus are exempted from release under the Freedom of Information Act. Since the FDA doesn't routinely perform comprehensive reviews of drugs once they are on the market, when uncommon but deadly side effects tend to be picked up, independent researchers are often the only hope of catching such flaws. But the trade-secrets rule can leave researchers in the dark about the most worrisome data—negative results that support a failed application to market a drug.

The argument for secrecy is that failed efforts at drug development need protection lest entrepreneurs suffer a competitive disadvantage when other companies aren't forced to expend the same time and money exploring dead ends. And at first blush, there would appear to be little need for clinical data on a drug that isn't in use. The problem is that many drugs have multiple uses. Duloxetine, for example, is marketed under the brand name Cymbalta to treat depression. Traci Johnson committed suicide while taking duloxetine during tests for selling the drug to treat stress urinary incontinence, under the brand name Yentreve. If a drug is on the market for one use and studies about another use suggest disquieting risks—as the death of Traci Johnson may—do the benefits of keeping the study data secret outweigh the costs?

The FDA approved Cymbalta to treat depression in August 2004. By the end of that year, Cymbalta sales topped $61.3 million. At some point—the date is undisclosed—Eli Lilly began testing Yentreve. In January 2005, as Cymbalta sales climbed to $106.8 million for the first quarter, Lilly announced that it was withdrawing its application for Yentreve. Then it cited the trade-secret rule in refusing to disclose why the drug did not win approval. Perhaps the rationale was harmless—the drug didn't work for incontinence. But duloxetine has been approved as a treatment for incontinence in Europe since August 2004.

Over four months beginning in January, I filed several Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of the Independent on Sunday, a British newspaper, for all safety data related to Cymbalta and Yentreve. I received a database that included 41 deaths and 13 suicides among patients taking Cymbalta. Missing from the database was any record of Johnson, or at least four other volunteers known to have committed suicide while taking Cymbalta for depression.

When I asked the about the missing results, FDA officials cited a federal regulation that they said prohibited the agency from releasing study data—or acknowledging the existence of an application—for a drug that fails to win FDA approval. Since the FDA never approved Yentreve, all the data about it were off limits. The agency may have used a similar rationale in failing to release safety data about the pain reliever Bextra, which Pfizer, its manufacturer, withdrew from the market in April for fear of links to an increased rate of heart attack.

In its Web-site database, Eli Lilly initially listed no suicides and two deaths among patients enrolled in seven clinical trials of Cymbalta for depression. (Lilly's database won the company praise in a May New York Times article for being "the company that has gone furthest in disclosing results.") Today the Web site lists 10 clinical trials of Cymbalta and five of Yentreve, with one suicide and five deaths combined. Based on the dates of the trials and the circumstances of the deaths, it's clear that the Web-site numbers do not include any of the five suicides missing from the FDA database. Lilly admits that it has never made public at least two of those deaths. Lilly spokesman David Shaffer said that data was unavailable because some of the studies were still in progress. He also said that two of the suicides "took place in depression studies run by another company," and that "the decision about how and when to disclose such information rests with that company." Shaffer was referring to the Japanese firm Shionogi & Co., which has a licensing agreement with Lilly* to market duloxetine in Japan.

Meanwhile, my sources (sorry, they're gun-shy and anonymous) were telling me that duloxetine caused suicidal tendencies in patients who took the drug for incontinence—and who were not depressed. That news was potentially explosive. In the face of questions about a link between antidepressants and suicide, industry experts have long insisted that it's depression, not the drugs used to treat it, that causes patients to kill themselves. Johnson's death appeared to call that claim into question. She entered the clinical trial as a healthy, nondepressed volunteer in order to help pay her college tuition. And she was only approved for the study after undergoing thorough medical testing to screen out depression or suicidal tendencies.

Because one patient's reaction can't prove anything one way or the other, it was critical for researchers to analyze the results of all the patients in Lilly's duloxetine studies. Instead, the FDA's interpretation of the trade-secrets rule left only the positive data from the Cymbalta trials available for review.

In June, after the Independent article, the FDA (without issuing a press release) noted on its Web site that one suicide "was reported in a Cymbalta clinical pharmacology study in a healthy female volunteer." The agency added that new data from stress urinary incontinence trials showed that middle-aged women taking duloxetine had a suicide attempt rate of 400 per 100,000 person-years, more than double the rate of about 160 per 100,000 person-years among other women of a similar age. These findings had been withheld from the public, and the researchers asking for them, for five months after the FDA had reviewed data showing the increased risk.

The FDA claims it has no choice but to resist releasing information about drugs it doesn't approve. "My hands are tied," said Dr. Robert Temple, FDA's director of medical policy. "This is something only Congress can change." That may be as much a matter of the FDA's interpretation as it is of the law, however. Experts disagree about whether congressional action or a federal court ruling is needed to make data like Johnson's death available, or whether the FDA could choose to disclose more itself.

The voluntary guidelines promoted by the drug industry, however, are not a solution. These guidelines encourage companies to list every clinical trial they initiate. Registration would be helpful. But it would not compel companies to release the data from, or even the outcomes of, their trials, as long as they companies can argue that this information is "commercially protected."

The use of trade-secret laws to conceal deaths and serious side effects linked to drugs has the obvious flaw of putting profits before public health. It also subverts the covenant between researchers and study volunteers. Subjects like Traci Johnson are told that even if they do not personally benefit from a new drug, the scientific knowledge gained from the study in which they've participated will benefit others. The volunteers should be told instead that scientists will learn about their experience only if it's good news for the drug they're helping to test..."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[b]Traci Johnson's body was discovered on Feb. 7, 2004, hanging by a scarf from a shower rod in an Indianapolis laboratory run by the drug company Eli Lilly. The 19-year-old college student had been serving as a test subject in a clinical trial of the experimental antidepressant duloxetine"

Who was Traci Johnson, and what happened next.



http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/119246-5807-095.html

"...A 19 year old student, a healthy volunteer for Lilly's CYMBALTA "...hanged herself Saturday night in the Lilly Laboratory for Clinical Research by tying a scarf to a bathroom shower rod, according to the Indianapolis Police Department..."





http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/119765-2375-031.html

"Suicide brings changes to Lilly drug trials

By J.K. Wall and John Tuohy
jk.wall@indystar.com
February 11, 2004


Eli Lilly and Co. has been ordered not to accept new participants for local clinical trials of an anti-depressant and incontinence drug after the weekend suicide of a teenage test subject.

The Institutional Review Board that oversees all Lilly trials on the Indiana University medical school campus also decided Tuesday that the company must bring in an independent psychiatrist to evaluate participants. The company also must ask them to sign a new consent form to continue with the trials...."


In the article in the previous reply you'll see that she already HAD been evaluated:

"Johnson's death appeared to call that claim into question. She entered the clinical trial as a healthy, nondepressed volunteer in order to help pay her college tuition. And she was only approved for the study after undergoing thorough medical testing to screen out depression or suicidal tendencies".

I sure hope she wasn't a hot piece of as$. depressed hot chics are easy to bang

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I sure hope she wasn't a hot piece of as$. depressed hot chics are easy to bang

She was a happy pretty girl, and a Bible student, in the study to help with her tuition fees.

You comment about a teenager who lost her life shows such a cruel sociopathic personality that I'm sure you will be welcomed into the fold of the equally sociopathic company that kills so many people like Traci. Your comment made ME feel physically sick, but you'll go far with Lilly.

God help children if you represent the average Lilly rep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I sure hope she wasn't a hot piece of as$. depressed hot chics are easy to bang

MAN are you one SICK puppy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She was a happy pretty girl, and a Bible student, in the study to help with her tuition fees.

You comment about a teenager who lost her life shows such a cruel sociopathic personality that I'm sure you will be welcomed into the fold of the equally sociopathic company that kills so many people like Traci. Your comment made ME feel physically sick, but you'll go far with Lilly.

God help children if you represent the average Lilly rep.

God help you.....find something new to do.....go troll on some other boards...or better yet, why don't you just get off Cafe Pharma you scumbag skank

Cymtoxica is a revamped form of the old short half-life tricyclic antidepressant imipramine. it sucks, their is nothing special you can say about it, except that if you miss your daily dose you experience adverse event symptoms. it is no better than the older TCA's or newer SSRI's. it's just a bunch of bs hype from Lilly (we do that so well with all of our products). most doctors see through this and only use it when patients fail on one or more of the older SSRI drugs; -- including our own Lilly made Prozac -

Originally Posted by CYMTOXICA

Cymtoxica is a revamped form of the old short half-life tricyclic antidepressant imipramine. it sucks, their is nothing special you can say about it, except that if you miss your daily dose you experience adverse event symptoms. it is no better than the older TCA's or newer SSRI's. it's just a bunch of bs hype from Lilly (we do that so well with all of our products). most doctors see through this and only use it when patients fail on one or more of the older SSRI drugs; -- including our own Lilly made Prozac -

Something must be right about Cymbalta. I am a retired Lilly rep working as a pharmacist, and we are dispensing one hell of a lot of Cymbalta. Most patients love it.

it made you physically sick? Cool,... physically sick girls are easy to bang too!!!!

Great thing about Cymbalta is that it is unique. People on this thread hate us because we are killing thim in the marketplace. Cymbalta is growing faster than any other anti depressant out right now and the feedback is overwhelmingly positive. It is not a perfect drug on anyones account but it is certainly different. I know several people who take it currently and they have never been better. Pay no attention to the closeminded loosers who have nothing better to do than cruise our board and post crap. In my opinion most of them would be a lot better off with 60mg of Cymbalta.. Bottom line is that it is a great product with a lot of competition. If it were junk then it would not be growing at the rate that it is. Good luck- Go to Cymbalta.com

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great thing about Cymbalta is that it is unique. People on this thread hate us because we are killing thim in the marketplace. Cymbalta is growing faster than any other anti depressant out right now and the feedback is overwhelmingly positive. It is not a perfect drug on anyones account but it is certainly different. I know several people who take it currently and they have never been better. Pay no attention to the closeminded loosers who have nothing better to do than cruise our board and post crap. In my opinion most of them would be a lot better off with 60mg of Cymbalta.. Bottom line is that it is a great product with a lot of competition. If it were junk then it would not be growing at the rate that it is. Good luck- Go to Cymbalta.com

OP here,

Thanks for the response and thanks to all of you who have given serious responses. I know CP is notorious for smack-talkers. I just take them with a grain of salt.

Keep the feedback coming. Thanks again!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something must be right about Cymbalta. I am a retired Lilly rep working as a pharmacist, and we are dispensing one hell of a lot of Cymbalta. Most patients love it.

lame attempt to prop up your retirement plan.

Originally Posted by except the dead ones ...

lame attempt to prop up your retirement plan.

Whatever works, nimrod.

You are "dead" on with your comment. No pun intended! :-) They, depressed whores, tend to suck like a brand new Hoover as well. Just let them cry on your shoulder a bit then ease their heads down on the pole. Works every time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I sure hope she wasn't a hot piece of as$. depressed hot chics are easy to bang

Is "withholding the truth" synonymous with "lying?"

apples/oranges, dumbass!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is "withholding the truth" synonymous with "lying?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

apples/oranges, dumbass!

Is your vocabulary on this board indicative of the "respect" you show the healthcare professionals on whom you foist your sales drivel? I would just bet that YOU are an award-winning salesman! Has Lilly moved you to the "recruiting department" yet? Just wondering.

Call me a depressed whore, I don't care. I take Cymbalta and it's the best thing since sliced bread!!! I'll give up my booze before I give up my Cymbalta.

Take Lexapro!!! less side effects and works just as well if not better. Oh and it's indicated for anxiety.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take Lexapro!!! less side effects and works just as well if not better. Oh and it's indicated for anxiety.

If Cymbalta works for you, take it. But Lexapro pusher--my doctor just prescribed this to me for HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. Now, I know that doctors are allowed to prescribe off-label . . . in any manner they choose--because they're so smart. But if I can determine from my doctor that he was "educated" by a Forest rep that this is an acceptable off-label use, without any science to back it up, maybe Forest will need a bit of spotlight shown on it, too.

Lilly isn't the ONLY disreputable firm; it's one of many . . . it's just made the headlines most recently.

Why are you bringing each other down? You have enough people bringing you down outside of pharma. Support the class (classes) in general (SSRI"S, SNRI's). They have helped millions of people. Feel good that your competition has so much to offer. Otherwise, the whole class (antidepressents) will be scrutinized. What good will come from that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take Lexapro!!! less side effects and works just as well if not better. Oh and it's indicated for anxiety.

Lexapro-been there done that and it SUCKED. Of course, my doctor told me it sucked but I didn't listen. He gladly switched me to Cymbalta. You won't find me hanging anywhere but out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Cymbalta works for you, take it. But Lexapro pusher--my doctor just prescribed this to me for HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. Now, I know that doctors are allowed to prescribe off-label . . . in any manner they choose--because they're so smart. But if I can determine from my doctor that he was "educated" by a Forest rep that this is an acceptable off-label use, without any science to back it up, maybe Forest will need a bit of spotlight shown on it, too.

Lilly isn't the ONLY disreputable firm; it's one of many . . . it's just made the headlines most recently.

Benicar is for high blood pressure not Lexapro. Your doctor is an A-hole if he gave you Lexapro for anything but MDD and Anxiety!!!

In the 1980s, Eli Lilly waged a successful campaign to get fluoxetine, brand name Prozac, through the FDA even though not a single study submitted to the agency showed the drug to be effective for depression when taken alone. Once approved, Eli Lilly marketed the drug as a revolutionary substance that selectively targeted the brain chemical serotonin: “This medicine works by bringing the level of serotonin in your brain back to normal.” Unlike the cheap generics on the market, the Prozac class of drugs does not affect norepinephrine, which was said to cause all the side effects of the older tricyclic antidepressants. Thus began a marketing campaign that made Prozac and the other SSRI antidepressants billions of dollars in profits.

In August 2000, the U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that a generic drug company could begin making a Prozac substitute nearly three years earlier than planned. The ruling, which shortened Lilly's patent protection on Prozac from December 2003 to Feb. 2 of 2001 (later extended to Aug. 2, 2001), was a financial blow because Lilly was deriving one quarter of its sales from Prozac. After fighting for six years to maintain its patent on Prozac, Eli Lilly & Company reached the end of the legal road when the Supreme Court refused to consider reinstating its rights to the drug.

When the patent expired on Prozac, in 2001, and annual sales for Eli Lilly went down from billions to millions, Eli Lilly went to work to bring out a new antidepressant, Cymbalta.[21] Despite providing no peer reviewed data (all trials were done by researchers on the Lilly payroll), Cymbalta was approved by the FDA for major depressive disorder (MDD) in August 2004. With its approval came a new and highly innovative marketing message: Cymbalta is better than Prozac because it has a dual action in the brain. It not only targets serotonin, it also impacts another important neurochemical, norepinephrine. This flatly contradicts the ‘serotonin/good, norepinephrine/bad’ story that launched the SSRI revolution that Lilly started with fluoxetine.

Well given the fact that Traci lied on her application about never having attempted suicide or any previous episodes of depression before she should have never been in an FDA mandated study where they were given up to 4 times the recommended dose. Why don't someone post that ... oh that's right because the money grubbing lawyers don't want that information out there.

Whoops ...

"They said they were told that Johnson's depression wasn't uncovered during screening and that she shouldn't have been allowed in the study."

"Later, Wright wrote in her diary, which she provided to The Star, that "the young woman had a past of depression which was discovered later upon medical background."

Michelle Hermit, 48, said that officials at the clinic "clearly said she had a history of trying to commit suicide, a history of depression, and they didn't catch it in the screening."

Two other participants, Nisha Patel and Tatiana Sikic, said they were told that Johnson had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in her early teens."


Since she did it to earn money, she should have gone home and gotten a job there and the emotional support she obviously needed. Maybe she was too afraid because of that boy back home she was upset about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well given the fact that Traci lied on her application about never having attempted suicide or any previous episodes of depression before she should have never been in an FDA mandated study where they were given up to 4 times the recommended dose. Why don't someone post that ... oh that's right because the money grubbing lawyers don't want that information out there.

Whoops ...

"They said they were told that Johnson's depression wasn't uncovered during screening and that she shouldn't have been allowed in the study."

"Later, Wright wrote in her diary, which she provided to The Star, that "the young woman had a past of depression which was discovered later upon medical background."



Michelle Hermit, 48, said that officials at the clinic "clearly said she had a history of trying to commit suicide, a history of depression, and they didn't catch it in the screening."

Two other participants, Nisha Patel and Tatiana Sikic, said they were told that Johnson had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in her early teens."


Since she did it to earn money, she should have gone home and gotten a job there and the emotional support she obviously needed. Maybe she was too afraid because of that boy back home she was upset about.

Let's talk credibility. What you offer as validation for Lilly's "mistake" is the typical formula Lilly uses to cover their ass--BLAME THE VICTIM. They've done it for decades with diabetics (rDNA insulin); they did it with Prozac; they're currently doing it with Zyprexa. Their other "method" (besides "blame the victim") is to impugn the data collectors. Remember the Oraflex debacle. Lilly didn't so much try to blame the victims, but to prevent/invalidate the data collected in Europe. (What? Are Europeans too stupid to accurately report unexpected and unnecessary deaths?) C'mon. BLAME THE VICTIM is Lilly's most frequently-used method of hiding their culpability. If you don't know that, you've had your head in the sand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great thing about Cymbalta is that it is unique. People on this thread hate us because we are killing thim in the marketplace. Cymbalta is growing faster than any other anti depressant out right now and the feedback is overwhelmingly positive. It is not a perfect drug on anyones account but it is certainly different. I know several people who take it currently and they have never been better. Pay no attention to the closeminded loosers who have nothing better to do than cruise our board and post crap. In my opinion most of them would be a lot better off with 60mg of Cymbalta.. Bottom line is that it is a great product with a lot of competition. If it were junk then it would not be growing at the rate that it is. Good luck- Go to Cymbalta.com

What is so "unique" about and Effexor XR knock-off? Same mechanism of action, worse nausea, no better efficacy or relief of physical symptoms, harder on the liver. I guess we do have diabetic neuropathic pain because we did the studies but other than that, what is the advantage??????

I am a rep with another company who does not compete with Lilly. I was recently placed on Cymbalta and my depression/anxiety only worsened. The doctor kept encouraging me to increase my dose. I sell pharmaceuticals, so I prefer not to be on them. I finally saw the NP who decided to add Wellbutrin to the mix. I backed off the cymbalta then started on welbutrin as monotherapy. I still don't like that I am relying on any drug marketed by a pharmaceutical company. However, when I started increasing the Cymbalta, I went from depressed to majorly depressed. I couldn't get myself out of bed to face the day (and I enjoy running marathons). Since starting the other drug, I have had no problem getting out of bed in the morning and staying out of it until I go to bed at night. I know my company has its ways of "ethically" growing its product lines. I have tried the past 5 years to put the blinders on and have faith our companies will make decisions that are best for patients, but I can see most don't. We can distance ourselves from the truth, but everyone of us who sell drugs to physicians know many times the risks outweigh the benefits of these drugs. How would you like your family dr to write an rx for your child, mother, wife, husband that could have life-altering consequences? Dr, if you rx my drug 5x/mo, you could really help my team win some awards....Dr, last year I asked you to rx my drug when lab values were "x", but this year I realize you may have seen new data that suggests using this drug at "x" can actually increase mortality. But I really need more rx's, so can I count on you to still rx my drug?

WHAT ARE WE ALL DOING?!!!!!

Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a rep with another company who does not compete with Lilly. I was recently placed on Cymbalta and my depression/anxiety only worsened. The doctor kept encouraging me to increase my dose. I sell pharmaceuticals, so I prefer not to be on them. I finally saw the NP who decided to add Wellbutrin to the mix. I backed off the cymbalta then started on welbutrin as monotherapy. I still don't like that I am relying on any drug marketed by a pharmaceutical company. However, when I started increasing the Cymbalta, I went from depressed to majorly depressed. I couldn't get myself out of bed to face the day (and I enjoy running marathons). Since starting the other drug, I have had no problem getting out of bed in the morning and staying out of it until I go to bed at night. I know my company has its ways of "ethically" growing its product lines. I have tried the past 5 years to put the blinders on and have faith our companies will make decisions that are best for patients, but I can see most don't. We can distance ourselves from the truth, but everyone of us who sell drugs to physicians know many times the risks outweigh the benefits of these drugs. How would you like your family dr to write an rx for your child, mother, wife, husband that could have life-altering consequences? Dr, if you rx my drug 5x/mo, you could really help my team win some awards....Dr, last year I asked you to rx my drug when lab values were "x", but this year I realize you may have seen new data that suggests using this drug at "x" can actually increase mortality. But I really need more rx's, so can I count on you to still rx my drug?

WHAT ARE WE ALL DOING?!!!!!

I know what I am doing, but as for you and what you are doing, I have no idea. How can you be a pharma rep and not believe in pharmaceuticals? Why do people forget about the millions of people whose quality of life or physical health are helped because of pharmaceuticals? Jesus get over yourself, get out of the industry and let someone in who will make a difference for patients and providers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know what I am doing, but as for you and what you are doing, I have no idea. How can you be a pharma rep and not believe in pharmaceuticals? Why do people forget about the millions of people whose quality of life or physical health are helped because of pharmaceuticals? Jesus get over yourself, get out of the industry and let someone in who will make a difference for patients and providers.

You ask: Why do people forget about the millions of people whose quality of life . . . are helped because of pharmaceuticals?

I would answer: Because I remember the UNTOLD, uncountable millions who have been harmed or killed because of dangerous drugs, semi-educated pharma reps, doctors who have forgotten the oath of Hippocrates, and a government that enables corporate agendas that include "profits before patients." Who speaks for them?

I love watching the Forest Fags trolling this board trying to bash Cymbalta. Had a doc just yesterday say the following:

Doc, "Lexapro rep was just in here and man was she pissed!"
Me, "Why, they finally stop letting them pay for golf, cars, concert tickets, dine and dash like the rest of pharma?"
Doc, "No. She said your kicking their ass!!!!!"

That my friends is a no shitter story and "doc" in this story is up to about 150/month.

Keep sucking the doc's dick and he will write for you Cymbalta fag!

Go ahead and pack it in. I am with Pfizer and I am eating Cymbalta's lunch with Lyrica. Get a real drug that works on pain!

GOD DAMN GAY LILLY REPS!!!

Forest Fags still trolling the boards while their market share takes a beating!!!
You need to take your show on the road and try selling a bit. We own you!!!
You know it, too, or you wouldn't be here!!!

And as for Lyrica....I guess you haven't been talking to the vast amount of docs who hate the friggin drug because it hasnt lived up to expectations and the side effect profile blows.

Yep, I want those little old ladies on Lyrica to fall down the frigin stairs because Lyrica made them so dizzy they couldn't stand up.

I will give you credit...the docs tried it. But it wont last. Hate to bash your drug...you got a few good reps in our territory. But Lyrica is no neurontin and the docs are finding that out.

Cymbalta is sooo great because...

we get to kill people?

And what other job could we have that much control in. Huh?
BRILLIANT job.

(If you're a power-seeking control freak family sociopath)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cymbalta is sooo great because...

I LOVE the job. I can't control my own life, my own family, my husband or my children. But it doesn't matter because I can control other people's elderly and other people's children, and when I get REALLY frustrated I can work harder and they might die. Although I can't control what happens me, I can control what happens to you, and thats why I work and lie for Eli Lilly - they've been controlling you for decades and making money from it, and so am I.

What a hoot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well given the fact that Traci lied on her application about never having attempted suicide or any previous episodes of depression before she should have never been in an FDA mandated study where they were given up to 4 times the recommended dose. Why don't someone post that ... oh that's right because the money grubbing lawyers don't want that information out there.

Whoops ...

"They said they were told that Johnson's depression wasn't uncovered during screening and that she shouldn't have been allowed in the study."

"Later, Wright wrote in her diary, which she provided to The Star, that "the young woman had a past of depression which was discovered later upon medical background."

Michelle Hermit, 48, said that officials at the clinic "clearly said she had a history of trying to commit suicide, a history of depression, and they didn't catch it in the screening."

Two other participants, Nisha Patel and Tatiana Sikic, said they were told that Johnson had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in her early teens."


Since she did it to earn money, she should have gone home and gotten a job there and the emotional support she obviously needed. Maybe she was too afraid because of that boy back home she was upset about.

You MOST DISHONESTLY omit information that you don't want people to know - and that is why you fail to credit the source by giving the link, and why you are employed by a dishonest company.


"Four participants in an Eli Lilly and Co. drug trial in California said the clinic's staff told them that Traci Johnson, who committed suicide last month during the same study in Indianapolis, had a history of depression.

But Dr. Rafat Abonour, chairman of the institutional review board that reviews all Lilly drug trials at Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis, said his review of Johnson's records showed no such history..."

ie, the story was a set-up by Lilly, a dishonest company to take the heat of their themselves (and who employ dishonest representatives like yourself).

More precisely By this lot:

"The four California trial participants, all women, said they learned of Johnson's suicide from Dr. Mark Leibowitz, the lead physician for the California Clinical Trials Medical Group, which is conducting part of the duloxetine study on Lilly's behalf.They said he told them that Johnson had a history of depression.

A few days later, they said, Leibowitz brought in other clinical staff members to provide them with more information about the suicide. They said they were told that Johnson's depression wasn't uncovered during screening and that she shouldn't have been allowed in the study.

The women spoke to The Indianapolis Star in separate telephone interviews, and all described Lilly's screening process for depression as weak.

Phone calls to Leibowitz and Dr. Larry Ereshefsky, the chief scientific officer at California Clinical Trials, were not returned. Steve Sims, another clinic staff member, declined to comment...."



There are records of other suicides during the trials, but of course as those were not healthy volunteers Lilly blamed it on their illness, and then after the event they lied about their healthy volunteer in the hope that they could blame it on her.

Anything to protect their business, no matter who dies. Lilly (and a few other companies) have the ethics and morality of alley cats as do some of their representatives, including yourself as you have proven by the tactics in your post.

Source: http://www.ablechild.org/newsarchive...l%203-4-04.htm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are you bringing each other down? You have enough people bringing you down outside of pharma. Support the class (classes) in general (SSRI"S, SNRI's). They have helped millions of people. Feel good that your competition has so much to offer. Otherwise, the whole class (antidepressents) will be scrutinized. What good will come from that?

I see you understand that under scrutiny no good (from the job point of view) will come from it.

They are being scrutinized, and in the end a lot of good will come from it. Eventually the drugs will go the same way as many drugs in the past have gone, and will end up as dangerous drugs in the illegal drug market.

Scrutiny is fairly soon to take a most unexpected turn for the worse for 'neuro' drugs generally and for Big Pharma as a whole, though you all have time to find other, more respectable, employment as long as you don't put it off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I sure hope she wasn't a hot piece of as$. depressed hot chics are easy to bang

Reps who wrote comments like that one might need to go professional to avoid the crash. That way they won't need to worry about the future or getting new qualifications - prostitution is a profession thats been around much longer than Big Pharma but isn't about to go down any time soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are "dead" on with your comment. No pun intended! :-) They, depressed whores, tend to suck like a brand new Hoover as well. Just let them cry on your shoulder a bit then ease their heads down on the pole. Works every time!

This one too. Going professional will suit you admirably, as you could ease yourself over from pharma to professional with minimum effort. I doubt you'd get anywhere if you decided on a complete change of work so prostitution is obviously your best career choice as you have all the training and qualifications needed.

Well I think Lilly sucks I use to work for them and hate the way they treat their reps. Second I took Cymbalta and it worked great, not as much weight gain or sexual issues. But I do drink and I went off for that reason. I am on Lexapro now and it works soso on anxiety but my bp is great and does lower on all ssri's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Call me a depressed whore, I don't care. I take Cymbalta and it's the best thing since sliced bread!!! I'll give up my booze before I give up my Cymbalta.

It's a good thing you gave up the booze for cymbalta. I'd hate to see what might happen to your liver if you hadn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk credibility. What you offer as validation for Lilly's "mistake" is the typical formula Lilly uses to cover their ass--BLAME THE VICTIM. They've done it for decades with diabetics (rDNA insulin); they did it with Prozac; they're currently doing it with Zyprexa. Their other "method" (besides "blame the victim") is to impugn the data collectors. Remember the Oraflex debacle. Lilly didn't so much try to blame the victims, but to prevent/invalidate the data collected in Europe. (What? Are Europeans too stupid to accurately report unexpected and unnecessary deaths?) C'mon. BLAME THE VICTIM is Lilly's most frequently-used method of hiding their culpability. If you don't know that, you've had your head in the sand.

Too many have their heads in the sand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's talk credibility. What you offer as validation for Lilly's "mistake" is the typical formula Lilly uses to cover their ass--BLAME THE VICTIM. They've done it for decades with diabetics (rDNA insulin); they did it with Prozac; they're currently doing it with Zyprexa. Their other "method" (besides "blame the victim") is to impugn the data collectors. Remember the Oraflex debacle. Lilly didn't so much try to blame the victims, but to prevent/invalidate the data collected in Europe. (What? Are Europeans too stupid to accurately report unexpected and unnecessary deaths?) C'mon. BLAME THE VICTIM is Lilly's most frequently-used method of hiding their culpability. If you don't know that, you've had your head in the sand.

I remember the Oraflex debacle, but there are only a few people currently or formerly associated with Lilly who do. I help launch Oraflex, and it was very successful for many people. I was a good soldier for Lilly and staked my integrity on what Lilly told me about the drug. It was an awful embarrassment for me when Lilly had to withdraw the drug. Luckily, no one in my assignment was harmed by the drug. More people were harmed when they had to return to the pain again when Oraflex was taken away from them. Lilly had enough smart scientists and physicians working for them who should have know the studies were flawed and that the side effects were mistakenly treated as minor.

Anyone for an Oraflex paperweight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are "dead" on with your comment. No pun intended! :-) They, depressed whores, tend to suck like a brand new Hoover as well. Just let them cry on your shoulder a bit then ease their heads down on the pole. Works every time!

Lilly has some great reps on board. How do you spend your free time - digging up coffins to sell bodies to the company?