Holly Spring future

Was emailed for a phone interview for a position in Holly Springs. Looks like a great job but worried about the potential sale/closure of this mfg plant. Will the govt contracts ensure that this plant stays open no matter the name on the building?

 

They are kind of stuck keeping it open and humming along, no matter who the future owner is, though they may want to keep costs low. I wouldn't take it if you have something solid currently. Keep looking. Something better will come along

 

If for you, this is great job, take it. You are correct in assuming that no matter who owns it they will have to keep it open due to the govt involvement. Not a 100% protection for every job but as close as you'll get to in reality.

Be warned though, if you are from a "civilized" place the area it tough unless you live in and commute from somewhere close to the Research Triangle. Everywhere else is Redneck - Duck Dynasty Central. In the smaller cities around Research Triangle, where people from outside the state move to and their fathers didn't marry their sisters, the schools are good. There and near UNC you can find some culture and decent restraints but you have to look hard.

It still mostly the land of "Big Houses, Big Trucks, Big Hair and small brains.".

 

You're a r*****, probably racist & must be an offspring of said father daughter relationship

 

Harsh words, but they do ring true: its not that this area is all that bad, its just that if you are from a major cosmopolitan area such as LA, San Fran, New York, Chicago, etc, you might find the culture shock rather strong - especially if you are a minority, your kids may not be accepted well within their local school peers - and they will end up talking funny like the locals ;-) However, it is much cheaper to live here than the major metro areas ...

 

Is is strange how someone who must be from a state that practiced Jim Crow for almost 100 years where black people were tortured and murderd and treated worse than appartied and where those same states use now use voter suppression to keep the defendants of those same people from voting call other people racists?

 

- You won't mind living here if you and your wife's idea of a great anniversary dinner is a night out at Red Lobster or Macaroni Grille.

- Here, "The Beverly Hillbillies" are on PBS

- Here, when locals want to show how reasonable, tolerant and diverse they are they quote Bill O'Reilly rather then their preacher.

- Here, a modern, politically correct parent doesn't name their children after Southern Civil War heroes or characters rom Old Testament.

- In the nation as a whole, 40% people believe that it the Earth is < 10,000 years old and humans were created in our present form at the creation. Here, it is well over 80% and that includes most public school "science" teachers.

 

The last point is why you have to send your kid to private schools here. All the public school "science" teachers names are like "Zebulon Forrest Jackson".

That is also why any company that wants to create and run a business in the area that requires a credible education, have to import them. The vast majority jobs requiring a degree in science in HS have imports filling them. Locals do the security, admin or other lower level jobs. That is true for most all the Research Triangle Jobs. Local and Southern universities don't create enough graduates with science degrees to fill them and they are often out completed for good jobs with graduates from universities located in regions with a much less established and widely known anti-science culture.

 

I am African American and my wife is white. We have kids. What towns located near the site would be good? I heard Apex and Cary were good and diverse. Is this true?

 

Currently, I live in Cary and work for Novartis. In 2009 we had a mixed race couple like yours move from CA to live and work in RTP. He worked for Novartis and she for a local bank. He resigned and they moved in back to CA IN 2011. They both said that the racism was persistent and pervasive. He graduated from UNC 7 years prior with a PhD in biology and when they went to UNC football games together as a family it was obvious that the rednecks directing traffic at the games would make them wait in their cars in traffic while waving other non-mixed race couple on. A local Church found reason not to include them in events by "forgetting" to invite them and their kids. They would wait in-line at local restaurants when they waited as a family while all-white couples went ahead in line. It was easily noticed by their pre-teen daughter and when they confronted one local restaurant they were told, "That, is just the way it works here". The thing that finally ended it for them was when, after almost 2 years in the Cary Public School System they asked a mother of a friend why their daughter why their daughter wasn't invited to as many school friends party's as her daughter's was. The response was, "Honestly we, like you, aren't originally from NC, so your marriage doesn't matter, but it does to those who are from here. Your daughter does doesn't get invited to those parties."

This kind of behavior is still prevalent if not common here. Things are changing but you can see from the news that there is a backlash against this change. People not from here are different. Much more educated and open. Those from here may have money but it generally isn't from having an education and earning it. What is funny is that the things that the govt is doing to encourage change is going against other trends. This state was among the many Southern states that had laws against interracial marriage until the US Supreme Court overruled them. With the latest Voter ID laws that were only recently against the law but this were overturned by that same Supreme Court, it is obvious that if it wasn't for the laws of the Fed Govt, NC would revert backwards even more.

Elite colleges like UNC Duke overwhelmingly vote Democratic but, as noted above, the state supports those schools. They also pass laws suppressing the votes of the students attending those schools

Overall, not a great place for minorities and getting worse.

 

This is complete BS. This is the same person posting over and over with a far far far-left political agenda at heart.

Truthfully, they call Cary the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. It's because people from the northeast or CA come in more often than not with an attitude that they are going to wisk right into town and take over and own the place because they are oh so more educated and sophisticated over those NC rednecks. The newcomers are not aware of this attitude and persona of how they cary themselves, so in cases like the one posted above, they embellish instances and slights and chalk it up to racism or rednecks being rednecks rather than facing reality of how elitist and overly upity they come across. People are more laid back and down to earth in the south. They dont care about your trips to Nantucket or your multiple ski lodge trips in order to impress people. When it comes to work its about how hard you work, not about how well you socialize and broadcast your connections and education level like they do in the northeast.

 

QUOTE=Anonymous;5117057]This is complete BS. This is the same person posting over and over with a far far far-left political agenda at heart.

Truthfully, they call Cary the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. It's because people from the northeast or CA come in more often than not with an attitude that they are going to wisk right into town and take over and own the place because they are oh so more educated and sophisticated over those NC rednecks. The newcomers are not aware of this attitude and persona of how they cary themselves, so in cases like the one posted above, they embellish instances and slights and chalk it up to racism or rednecks being rednecks rather than facing reality of how elitist and overly upity they come across. People are more laid back and down to earth in the south. They dont care about your trips to Nantucket or your multiple ski lodge trips in order to impress people. When it comes to work its about how hard you work, not about how well you socialize and broadcast your connections and education level like they do in the northeast.[/QUOTE]

Well, there are some very interesting things to be learned from this post and others like it. The first is that is says as much about the poster as it does about the facts of the post. It is very obvious that they are insecure about themselves and the society that they are trying very hard to defend.

They insist that anytime someone points out instances of overt racism they are "embellishing". And if you ignore those same instances like they do you are just being "Down to Earth".

There are some facts all these posts are glossing over:

It is a fact that NC public schools, on average, suck. And, unlike the another poster above claims, it may be because most white kids in NC go to schools where mostly white kids go and those schools are much better are much better funded and thus perform much better. So, the schools systems are set up so that most whites in NC don't feel the affects of the overall shitty public school system.

Then, all the references to "its not where you vacation or who who socialize with". This is all pure and simple a show of insecurity. People with money with NC fly West to ski and drive to the beach in SC.People in the Northeast drive / ferry to Nantucket because its a nice place and we "multiple ski lodge trips" because, unlike in NC, we have short drives to many nice places to ski. I am sorry that you take these facts and through the lens of your insecurity, make them into something to try and use to defend your culture.

And here is where many truths come up. Since you are very comfortable talking about "perceptions", whether you know it or not. Let's bring up the fact of those and the reality that it is bring about. But first, let's state a few facts that we can agree on

The companies in RTP are set-up and made possible by "importing talent". The implies that NC isn't producing enough of that and that when it gets there it will have perceptions of the society based upon the ones that they come from.

The universities with an nationwide reputation are the same - located in NC, supported by NC but populated with "imports".

Politicians and political systems are refections of the people that support them. You can actively do so by contributing to their campaigns or you can passively do so by not contributing or voting for them.

Now we can use this to see how different people react to and create the reality of society in NC.

Below you will see a link to the results of the voting for NC in the 2012 US Presidential Elections. From this you can see a break-down of voting by NC Geography. From it you can easily conclude that the more “North Carolinian” you are the more likely you were to vote against Obama and the more African American or “Import” (Non-North Carolinian) that you are the more likely to vote for him. You should also be aware that this has and is changing drastically over the years. For the last 40 + years African Americans have mostly supported Dems but the growth in the percentage of “imports” living in NC has and is growing steadily. Remember, these are “talent” and are generally more educated than the average North Carolinian. We could also agree that on average, it is now about 50 / 50. The results of state wide elections now in NC basically depends upon who shows up to vote. With the trends in this, due to things that you native NC’ers generally support like UNC / Duke and the RTP, this will change in the future as the number of imports steadily grows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_North_Carolina,_2012

So, the African Americans and the “Non-North Carolinians” see the other side of your “Down to Earth” society, disagree with your perceptions of it and vote differently.

What do each sides support with their support?

The GOP controlled state Gov passes laws to benefit themselves in elections. Some of those are to influence the voting process itself. The recent Voter ID law is being challenged by the Obama DOJ. It also includes changes that make it harder for college student “imports” to vote. All in the name of “voter fraud” that always looses in court because there are not enough cases of it to balance out the fact that it makes it much more difficult for many others to vote. And I might add that, many of the African Americans that would need state ID’s in NC to vote don’t have birth certificates because they were born in NC before Civil Rights where the Jim Crow laws allowed discrimination so that they couldn’t use hospitals that issued birth certificates.

Then there is “Obamacare”. Despite what you hear from from sources like Faux Knews, it basically extends the benefits many Americans enjoy under the present healthcare system to others. Many NC’ers now receive their health insurance coverage via employer provided healthcare insurance that is subsided by the US Fed Govt. If Obamacare was extended statewide, to everyone in NC who is eligible, the cost wouldn’t equal what the US Govt now spends to subsidize health insurance provided by employers there.

In all state govts controlled by people who ~ 50% of the voters in NC support, they have Obamacare.

In NC, where the state govt is controlled by people who didn’t support Obama. no Obamacare but they have a “Down to Earth” place where they get to enjoy to fruits of life with the present system of govt subsidized healthcare. The fairness point is why many support Obama care and many others (like African Americans) do so out of self-interest. In NC, about 300,000 people would benefit from having healthcare under Obama with about 150,000 being African American.

The bottom-line is that the people in NC that you and your state support bringing in don’t appreciate your “Down to Earth” lifestyle, are constantly growing in number and along with the African Americans, who see the downsides of your “Down to Earth” way of life, are voting to change things. And the numbers show that you are losing.

 

Well, there are some very interesting things to be learned from this post and others like it. The first is that is says as much about the poster as it does about the facts of the post. It is very obvious that they are insecure about themselves and the society that they are trying very hard to defend.

They insist that anytime someone points out instances of overt racism they are "embellishing". And if you ignore those same instances like they do you are just being "Down to Earth".

There are some facts all these posts are glossing over:

It is a fact that NC public schools, on average, suck. And, unlike the another poster above claims, it may be because most white kids in NC go to schools where mostly white kids go and those schools are much better are much better funded and thus perform much better. So, the schools systems are set up so that most whites in NC don't feel the affects of the overall shitty public school system.

Then, all the references to "its not where you vacation or who who socialize with". This is all pure and simple a show of insecurity. People with money with NC fly West to ski and drive to the beach in SC.People in the Northeast drive / ferry to Nantucket because its a nice place and we "multiple ski lodge trips" because, unlike in NC, we have short drives to many nice places to ski. I am sorry that you take these facts and through the lens of your insecurity, make them into something to try and use to defend your culture.

And here is where many truths come up. Since you are very comfortable talking about "perceptions", whether you know it or not. Let's bring up the fact of those and the reality that it is bring about. But first, let's state a few facts that we can agree on

The companies in RTP are set-up and made possible by "importing talent". The implies that NC isn't producing enough of that and that when it gets there it will have perceptions of the society based upon the ones that they come from.

The universities with an nationwide reputation are the same - located in NC, supported by NC but populated with "imports".

Politicians and political systems are refections of the people that support them. You can actively do so by contributing to their campaigns or you can passively do so by not contributing or voting for them.

Now we can use this to see how different people react to and create the reality of society in NC.

Below you will see a link to the results of the voting for NC in the 2012 US Presidential Elections. From this you can see a break-down of voting by NC Geography. From it you can easily conclude that the more “North Carolinian” you are the more likely you were to vote against Obama and the more African American or “Import” (Non-North Carolinian) that you are the more likely to vote for him. You should also be aware that this has and is changing drastically over the years. For the last 40 + years African Americans have mostly supported Dems but the growth in the percentage of “imports” living in NC has and is growing steadily. Remember, these are “talent” and are generally more educated than the average North Carolinian. We could also agree that on average, it is now about 50 / 50. The results of state wide elections now in NC basically depends upon who shows up to vote. With the trends in this, due to things that you native NC’ers generally support like UNC / Duke and the RTP, this will change in the future as the number of imports steadily grows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_North_Carolina,_2012

So, the African Americans and the “Non-North Carolinians” see the other side of your “Down to Earth” society, disagree with your perceptions of it and vote differently.

What do each sides support with their support?

The GOP controlled state Gov passes laws to benefit themselves in elections. Some of those are to influence the voting process itself. The recent Voter ID law is being challenged by the Obama DOJ. It also includes changes that make it harder for college student “imports” to vote. All in the name of “voter fraud” that always looses in court because there are not enough cases of it to balance out the fact that it makes it much more difficult for many others to vote. And I might add that, many of the African Americans that would need state ID’s in NC to vote don’t have birth certificates because they were born in NC before Civil Rights where the Jim Crow laws allowed discrimination so that they couldn’t use hospitals that issued birth certificates.

Then there is “Obamacare”. Despite what you hear from from sources like Faux Knews, it basically extends the benefits many Americans enjoy under the present healthcare system to others. Many NC’ers now receive their health insurance coverage via employer provided healthcare insurance that is subsided by the US Fed Govt. If Obamacare was extended statewide, to everyone in NC who is eligible, the cost wouldn’t equal what the US Govt now spends to subsidize health insurance provided by employers there.

In all state govts controlled by people who ~ 50% of the voters in NC support, they have Obamacare.

In NC, where the state govt is controlled by people who didn’t support Obama. no Obamacare but they have a “Down to Earth” place where they get to enjoy to fruits of life with the present system of govt subsidized healthcare. The fairness point is why many support Obama care and many others (like African Americans) do so out of self-interest. In NC, about 300,000 people would benefit from having healthcare under Obama with about 150,000 being African American.

The bottom-line is that the people in NC that you and your state support bringing in don’t appreciate your “Down to Earth” lifestyle, are constantly growing in number and along with the African Americans, who see the downsides of your “Down to Earth” way of life, are voting to change things. And the numbers show that you are losing.[/QUOTE]

Hey Libtard go rant on MSNBC
Raleigh 30% African American
Schools are integrated AND there is bussing
The only "white enclaves" are in your elite liberal areas
Communities here are integrated & many mixed race couples
What a doosh. You are a clueless liberal lemming & yes NC likes
a free govt issued ID to vote same as when you buy alcohol (how racist)
& yes students registered to vote in their home state can't double dip
& neither can dead people & illegals one of the Dems largest voting blocs
Moron

 

Hey Libtard go rant on MSNBC
Raleigh 30% African American
Schools are integrated AND there is bussing
The only "white enclaves" are in your elite liberal areas
Communities here are integrated & many mixed race couples
What a doosh. You are a clueless liberal lemming & yes NC likes
a free govt issued ID to vote same as when you buy alcohol (how racist)
& yes students registered to vote in their home state can't double dip
& neither can dead people & illegals one of the Dems largest voting blocs
Moron[/QUOTE]

It is obvious why ~ 50% of NCers vote to stick reality up the a$$ of people like you. I am glad that ignorant people like you think that those that vote the opposite of you are mostly "dead people and illegals" as it means you can't deal with reality so when those voting opposite of you do starting winning more elections in NC and else where it will a shock to too like the last US Pres election and we can all watch you throw epileptic fits!

Then, if NC African Americans are so content with the racial paradise that you describe why do they vote to change it? Why do the smart people that you lure to you state do the same? Are they all "dead and illegal".

The fact is that it isn't just MSBC watchers from outside of NC that tell you that you are a racist fool it also your neighbors in NC that do so. When you walk the streets of wherever you are in NC today and think "ever other one of these people thinks I am a redneck". And the more educated that they are the more likely it is for them to believe that.

 

Funny Obama is moving to NC after his last term because it's so oppressive.
Get off your meds.
Sorry Holly Springs probably booted you & that you & your 12 year old Thai boyfriend can't tie the knot. Since you're bored go troll some cemetery the Dims need some new voters. Maybe you can sign up those 90,000 kids that flooded the border. Just don't do it in RED NC because they need an ID to vote
MSNBC Libtard Dope
PS- vote for Tillis, be part of the epic 2014 take back of the senate !
(not that you actually live in NC or have a clue as to what's going on other than what mother jones , pelosi , reid , ny times & salon tell you)

 

Got a question? If NC'ers are so smart why don't they fill the faculty and graduate schools at UNC and Duke with you? Why do they give companies huge tax breaks to move to the RTP and import NC'ers to work there and to vote to shove reality up your Deliverance a$$holes? Your own state govt is betraying you and the only way that they can keep these imports from making you irrelevant is ti try and keep them from voting. I don't get it? It must be a really shitty feeling to know that the kind of people your state govt so cherishes thinks that you're racist, ignorant, Christian Fundy white trash!

Hey maybe when they gain control of the state govt they will raise taxes to pay for the African Americans that you have screwed over for so long but hey, they leave you rednecks enough to live the way that you deserve - in a Trailer House!

hahahaha

Funny how you can't bring any facts to an argument - probably why you are who your are. PS - this argument is kicking your ass and making you look like the moron that you are.

You can't argue with the fact that ~ 50% of your neighbors think that you are a redneck.

 

It that your own state gov gives incentives for those same neighbors employers to stay in NC, not hire NC'ers like you, and then show that they despise you with their vote.

 

"State House Speaker Thom Tillis (R-NC), the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in North Carolina, said that the "traditional" voting bloc of his home state wasn't growing like minority populations in an interview he did in 2012.

""Traditional" North Carolinians refers to North Carolinians who have been here for a few generations," Tillis campaign Communications Director Daniel Keylin told TPM. "A lot of the state's recent population growth is from people who move from other states to live, work, and settle down in North Carolina."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/thom-tillis-traditional-voters-north-carolina-hispanics-african-americans

Holly Springs Future? Tillis is currently the Speaker of the House for NC. He leads the body that gives the tax breaks and other incentives that companies use to relocate in areas like the RTP so he should know, huh?

Oh, his spokesman said something else about "imports" to NC and says, "Like Thom Tillis".

 

"FDA approves Novartis U.S. vaccine plant it is trying to sell

Feds have invested about $500M into the $1B complex
June 16, 2014

Novartis' ($NVS) $1 billion influenza vaccine manufacturing plant in Holly Springs, NC, has just become the first pandemic-ready site FDA-approved to make cell-culture influenza vaccines. Now it needs to find a buyer for the facility.

The Holly Springs site has 800 employees, including 250 contractors, Novartis spokeswoman Elizabeth Power said in an email."

http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing...ell/2014-06-16

Ya wanna bet that MOST ALL of the 250 contractors, swept the floors, cleaned the toilets and watched the front gate and were "traditional" NC voters as described by Tillis above and the other 550 were "imports" with skills and education and think that the other 50% of NCers are racist rednecks?

 

ALERT: Holly Spring facility is officially up for sale as of Monday, 16-June-2014 (pl. see link below)

http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing...ell/2014-06-16

Good luck to those whose jobs will be impacted by this. Also, NVS is not offering 'change of control' payments to displaced employees from this sale. Good luck & god bless