We Work For Forest Now

Story after story is rolling in. We hear of Actavis managers being replaced by Forest Manager but we don't hear about Forest Managers being replaced by Actavis Managers. Common sense would dictate that you leave managers in place with experience in the therapeutic area. Do any Forest DM's have Derm or WH experience? No. Yet they replaced managers who did. It makes me wonder if we, Actavis, bought them, or they bought us?
Hopefully, these Actavis Managers will land on their feet and reach out to their old teams when they have openings.
We are not Watson
We are not Actavis
We are, sadly, Forest.

 

Wow too bad you weren't warned and it's good thing if you were warned you didn't lash out at that person trying to bestow knowledge on you.

 

We have at least a couple examples in our region of Actavis mgrs taking over legacy Forest people. Besides this whole "therapeutic" experience thing is way overplayed. A leader is a leader, they can learn the drugs very quickly, plus you are the one calling on the doc, not the DM

 

Anyone saying "we are forest" is legacy forest. Factoid.

Numerically FRX crushes ACT - and FRX launched LZ into GI with no experience and a PCP sales force and destroyed established amitiza market share. So the idea that you need experience in a therapeutic area is nonsense. Any good rep can sell any good drug in about 3 months. And you know that's the truth.

Bill and Jerry will used the new money power to do more DTC and lobby more PBM's - that is where Rx's really come from. That's just truth.

5 years from now the average pharma rep will be 24 years old and make $40k - this industry is done from the tenured rep standpoint.

What color is your parachute Nancy?

 

We are Forest is something a Forest legacy would say.

 

Yep. You ACT folks better buckle your seatbelt and get ready. It's going to be a shock.

 

You left out the part where Ironwood hired 160 sales reps, mostly with 10+ years of GI sales experience.

 

What's going to be a shock? Be specific...

 

Metrics up the caboose!

 

YEAH THAT IS SAD!

 

Forest was the lowest of the low in pharma, so if Actavis managers have been replaced by Forest then Actavis is now lowest

 

Did you read the new training agreement?

Have you looked at the XT Training? Roommates!!

It is not even a slow transition.

We are definitely Forest with a new name.

Just hope my Actavis manager does not do a 180 with hiss garment style.

 

....just hope my Actavis manager does not do a 180 with his management style. Silly phone!

 

Career Do over chance---- would you pick pharma sales again?

Why are we on Cafe Pharma? Is it our sick need to punish ourselves for wasting our precious career years on these unstable, easy jobs? How do you really feel about your chosen career in pharma sales? Woulda,coulda,shouda----would you pick this career again? Would you want your kids to aspire to be a drug rep?

 

That's funny. I've been here 14 years and never knew I was the lowest of the low. This is our first layoff since I've been here, weve made substantial profits every year and have been of the highest performing pharma companies in the US and I have been paid well for results. Someone tells how I am lowest of low? Thanks for being so kind.

 

You also lack self awareness. No one says FRX didn't deliver for wall street. It's the tactics used to deliver the numbers.

 

Could be the refusal of Forest to sign on to Pharma.

 

Forest was always a sales team. They actually ranked highly year over year of best sales company to work under. They've been great at buying drugs that are the best or the first of their kind. That has slowed recently which is why the Actavis buyout makes sense. Lexapro and Namenda were heroes, even Daliresp is great(but often prescribed too late in a patient's life), Linzess will be a champ, Tudorza is a better drug than Spiriva but the twice a day is a burden. Bystolic is a great drug. It all boils down whether these drugs will actually improve a patient's life, they will. Forest isn't so bad, all counterparts have a variation of drugs. "I saw a forest rep about Viibryd this morning" .... "Your MA just said a patient was feeling better with Bystolic, that's what I am here with..." Lots of drugs=lots of reps. IT'S NOT THAT BAD, people make it bad but there are plenty of people that do right by themselves, teammates, and offices. TLDR, i know but I'm so tired of all the negativity here.

 

I'm just spit balling here, but would the FDA approve a drug that DIDN'T improve a patients life?
If you here the line "I saw a Forest Rep this morning" and you work for Forest, you have too many reps
Forest burst on to the scene with Celexa and Lexapro. They certainly were Best In Class. Great products. But after that they have gone with 'Quantity over Quality". QD dosing will beat BID dosing just about every time. You forgot to mention Combunox btw.
On a positive note, Forest is used to launching Branded products in a generic market, so that should help. But based on the postings here by Forest reps, our new counterparts still need some help.m you guys are an awfully defensive bunch. Not to mention sophomoric.

 

You are trying to put a positive spin on a low of the low job and making excuses for yourself to remain with a lousy company.