So now Inventiv has ADVAIR first line

I've enjoyed this "debate" (I rarely hear the term fuckturd in a debate) so I have to chime in. (I'm in R&D so I don't have a dog in this fight). The fact is, GSK doesn't want employees (in sales, in R&D, in anything). It wants workers it can shed quickly and cheaply and replace with cheaper labor that is more targeted to immediate needs. So the debate about who is better is moot. I'm sure there are great (and terrible) contract sales reps, just like there are great (and terrible) employee sales reps. Sadly, no matter who pushes GSK's products, the fact of the matter is that this company is circling the bowl.

And, save whatever winges you want to direct at an R&D guy about "failure to produce." The decisions to chase worthless therapies was made well above my pay grade!

Good luck everyone.

 

Inv. rep here in NC...Had my GSK Breo rep tell me that don't call on this doc or this doc as they are starting to write Breo...I said I have few docs if you could tell them to back off the Breo so I could see some Advair? How stupid do you think we are, maybe I should call the Symbicort rep and tell him to back it down a little, I need some Rx business also.

News Flash: I am going to sell every office I have on my list, as hard as I can and get business with docs on my list. This what GSK wants and if you want to be mad at someone call the National Sales Mgr. You bunch of lazy losers!!

 

But you aren't selling Breo, right? You are selling a MULTI billion dollar drug that GSK launched and did just fine without you since 2000. A monkey can sell ADVAIR now. Don't flatter yourself.

 

Awesome, and when a Dr ask you about onset of action, the SMART trial, how the beta agonists work or the potency of Fluticasone you can deliver that managed care Tier message and look like a complete dumbfvck because you don't know anything about the product. Sell away.

 

Gimme a break! Like the previous post said, and monkey can sell Advair. FEV1 is increased and is dosed in a disks device bid. Anything else? Really the molecule size? That's going to make or break a sale? The potency of fluticasone? It reduces inflammation, right? We will learn the three taking points about potency, FEV1, and micron size in about ...oh...ten minutes. Really? you think selling Advair was difficult? What an ego you have. It's pretty basic actually. Allow me to train the entire sales force on what they need to know to sell Advair - Indication(s) Asthma and COPD. Compounds in Advair (Salmetrol-LABA and Fluticasone- inhaled steroid. Dosing - BID. How it compared to placebo and formulary coverage. That's it folks. If you know that you can sell the $hit out of Advair. Like I said, the last post has an overinflated view of themselves. Trust me d-bag, it aint that difficult!

 

So true, but these days why should a physician get information from a sales rep at all, when he/she can access the primary sources and/or objective professional opinions with much less time wasted and the hassle of making eye contact?

 

To the last post. Because human relationships matter! Face to face will win out over "e-detailing" 100% of the time. You are probably a millennial who thinks texting and in-vitro fertilization are "normal". Face to face! Its how you sell and...how you make love. You probably prefer jerking off to porn. Loser!!

 

Forget the face to face, what about quality of information?

A physician doesn't have the time to listen to some BS Business Administration graduate stumbling through a reading of the package insert. Especially when unbiased information regarding effectiveness of pharmaceuticals abounds.

 

Docs for the most part are friendly...so if they use your drug they mostly likely will be friendly to you....they want the samples for their pts.

 

The most critical GSK mistake was 6 or 7 years ago deciding in R & D to go after a QD version of Advair,,,(Breo).....Countless times companys have tried to make a profit off of a QD version of a hot selling BID med that's about to go generic...(See Trexamet, Veramyst, Coreg CR, Wellbutrin XL) all examples of QD failures..

We should have milked Advair for every dime until it goes generic then had something ready to make up the cost thru merger, acquisition or R and D money spent in better areas than respiratory..I kept thinking when Breo was in stage 3 trials, "they must have data that shows superiority in the steroid or the LABA vs Advair s components" and shockingly they didn't and went forward wasting valuable time and money for GSK... Huge blunder and we are paying dearly now. Good luck to all.

 

Above poster is right on the money.
You could include many other drugs in this...plus give it 1 year FREE...must NOT be selling at all.
Advair drug went generic in 2010.

However, the FDA said the device is under patent until Feb. 23rd, 2016. There are 5 or 6 companies lined up to make it. We should be very worried, and when they hire a contract force to compete against us, well can you say BYTE me.

 

GSK...just biding time...with one of the worst CEO's of any big pharma....what a joke this company is...

 

While we all quibble about who is worse- contract sales vs. direct hire, while throwing out messaging and sales force structure information, the true losers are the a holes with the respiratory market monitoring report. Scouring through every word on these sites while sitting on their fat assess drinking Starbucks thinking they are better than us. We think we get paid to bullnshit numbers? You ain't seen nothing compared to these ruthless sell-outs. Would be good to see them exposed, and kicked to the curb. Rat nose first.

 

Don't know anything about this. Can you give some insight?

 

Face it Red Legs fans Advair works, and it works well, no wonder docs look at us like we crazy.....we had it great for years, and now this Breo stuff is not what it could be, it's a loser...

 

Funny how Advair took off when InVentiv started promoting. Pull your head out of your ass, and realize ROI is everything. How long you've been at GSK is irrelevant, in fact it's a liability. Get ready for the new face of GSK, and it aint you.

 

Corporate sales is a joke, all around. Every company in the corporate game is pretty much run the same way, with the employees treated as "widgets".

Now, find a smaller company that is not publicly traded, and pays its reps decent money, and you have the potential to really have fun selling and meet some wonderful people at work. In corporate sales, you will never find that culture, because it no longer exists at ANYWHERE!

And, those that think this "fun" culture exits, are drinking the KOOL AID, without a doubt OR are youngsters that were never taught the truth about these corporate scum.

 

Gotta laugh at all the back and forth about who's a better rep...The big company rep or the hard charging contract guys...I've seen good and bad from both sides...really the company reps know the contract guys are cheaper and a threat to their job (surprise! GSK really likes CSO reps..like a cheap girlfriend they can dump anytime..who doesn't like that?) Your a contract rep? pls wake up ! sure inVentiv luvs you, but as soon as the contract party is over..don't call us we'll call you (see cheap girl friend reference)...guys/gals your both on borrowed time

 

Small companies do not typically pay as much as large companies and usually have inferior benefits. When a small company becomes successful, they usually sell of to a larger company and most of those with the small company lose their jobs.

There is no dream scenario. Get the best job you can find, work hard and advance your career. When you feel the time is coming that you could be impacted by cuts, etc., move on to your next job. Anyone that has some talent will easily find another good job.

 

I guess job-jumpers don't worry about pensions, 401K's with employer matching, etc. I guess they will worry about that when they retire.