Ol 1000 or Orthofix Stimulator

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  1. Anonymous

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    I have been issued both an Orthofix Physiostim and a Don Joy OL1000
    Bone stimulator via my workers comp. Very, very long story short, I have both devices and cannot seem to return either one. it seems like a no brainer to go for 30 minutes a day versus three hours. Do you have better results than the other? Thought I would go direct and ask the company reps what they thought. Thank you!!
     

  2. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    In all honesty you should probably ask your doctor which one you should use. Not sure how you could have ended up with two?? You may want to be careful as you might have to return one of those
     
  3. Anonymous

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    Exogen is gold standard, but between the devices listed, Orthofix wins. Actual peer reviewed data and, if you had to pay for the unit (which you did not), they would guarantee results. Longer wear time (8hrs vs 30 mins) but much higher success rate than DJ (80% vs 60%).
     
  4. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    The one I received is worn for three hours. Thank you for your input.
     
  5. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Keep in mind that heal rate numbers are different at three hours than they are at eight hours.
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Just look at the websites for the respective devices. I would use Orthofix, absolutely no question. 80% heal rate vs 60%. Also donjoy has no true clinical trial to back that 60% up, it was just a study run and paid for by them. It's worth wearing 3 hours over the other one.
     
  7. Anonymous

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    ALL THE STUDIES ON THESE DEVICES ARE CRAP - NO GOOD HEAD TO HEAD DATA
    AND THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOMES WHEN PATIENT TYPES ARE ACCOUNTED FOR
    30 MIN WEAR TIME FOR 80% HEAL RATE WINS EVERY TIME - OL1000 IS THE BEST

    AND IM NOT A PATIENT IM A PHYSICIAN, SO IM THE GENIUS HERE
     
  8. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Orthofix has an 80% heal rate, with a 3 hour wear time

    DonJoy has a 60% heal rate, which is based on a single company trial that is not peer reviewed, and written and funded by their own company. If you care about your health please use ANY bone stimulator except that one. That is by far the lowest heal rate of any bone stimulator that has ever been on the market.

    If you have both use the orthofix and call the dinjoy customer service line to find out how to send that one back so they won't bill you for it.

    Look at their own website:

    http://www.djoglobal.com/products/cmf/cmf-ol1000
     
  9. Anonymous

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    ALL THE STUDIES ON THESE DEVICES ARE CRAP - NO GOOD HEAD TO HEAD DATA
    AND THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOMES WHEN PATIENT TYPES ARE ACCOUNTED FOR
    30 MIN WEAR TIME FOR 80% HEAL RATE WINS EVERY TIME - OL1000 IS THE BEST

    AND IM NOT A PATIENT IM A PHYSICIAN, SO IM THE GENIUS HERE

    THE O-FIX CRAP HAS TO BE WORN FOR A FRIGGIN WHOLE DAY - EACH DAY - TO WORK ARE U KIDDIN??
     
  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    just Google 'orthofix fraud' if you want to see how they sell their useless bone stim
    they pay off docs because its a placebo device!!
     
  11. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    There are always rouge reps for Every company including DJ Ortho and Bioventus.
    Orthofix is now the most compliant company of the bunch. I know DJ Ortho reps And Bioventus reps who alter notes, alter CMN forms And who bribe prescribers.
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    O-fix = placebo
    And the reps are proven crooks - they orchestrate fraud
     
  13. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Not any more.
    So sad that the DJ Ortho bone stimulator has the worst efficacy of all bone Stims.
    Exogen and Orthofix have the best outcomes but Exogen is a hassle to use.
     
  14. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    $42 million global resolution to resolve investigation into the marketing and sale of bone growth simulators

    BOSTON - American medical device manufacturer Orthofix, Inc. has agreed to pay over $42 million to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of its bone growth stimulators Orthofix Spinal-Stim, the Orthofix Cervical-Stim and the Orthofix Physio-Stim.

    Pursuant to the plea agreement, Orthofix has agreed to plead guilty to an Information charging it with a felony, namely obstruction of a federal audit. As set forth in the Information, for years Orthofix manipulated Certificates of Medical Necessity, an important form required by Medicare to be signed by a physician attesting that the bone growth stimulator was medically necessary. Medicare accounted for approximately 25% of Orthofix’s bone growth stimulator business. Orthofix manipulated these Certificates of Medical Necessity in a number of different ways, including: (a) having Orthofix sales representatives fill out the entire form, including the medical necessity section; (b) forging physicians’ signatures in the section of the form certifying the physician’s belief that the device was medically necessary; (c) filling out or improperly coaching the physicians’ staff to fill out the estimated length of need field as “9 months” for every patient without regard to the physician’s medical judgment about an individual patient’s estimated length of treatment.

    In June 2008, a Medicare contractor audited Orthofix at its headquarters in McKinney, Texas. The purpose of the audit was to ensure compliance with Medicare’s supplier standards. During this audit, Orthofix failed to disclose that: (a) -s many of its territory managers filled out the entire Certificate of Medical Necessity with no input from the physician; (b) a number of its territory managers coached physicians or their staff to fill out the length of need section on the Certificate of Medical Necessity to be “9 months” for all Medicare patients; and (c) some territory managers even forged physicans’ signatures in Certificates of Medical Necessity.

    Under the terms of the plea agreement, Orthofix has agreed to pay a $7.65 million criminal fine and $34.23 million plus interest to resolve civil allegations under the False Claims Act. The civil settlement resolves claims brought against Orthofix in a whistleblower lawsuit filed under the qui tam provisions of the False Claims Act that is pending in the District of Massachusetts: United States ex rel. Bierman, v. Orthofix International, N.V., et al., Civil Action No. 05-10557-EFH (D. Mass.).

    The civil settlement addresses four issues alleged by Relator on behalf of the Government relating to Orthofix’s promotion of its bone growth stimulator products. Those issues are: (1) the improper waiver of patient co-payments by Orthofix, thus misstating their true cost and resulting in overpayments by federal programs; (2) submission of falsified certificates of medical necessity to support federal payments for Orthofix products; (3) failure to advise patients of their right to rent rather than purchase Orthofix products; and (4) offering or paying kickbacks, characterized as fitter, referral, and other comparable fees, to induce the use of Orthofix’s products.

    As part of today’s resolution, the whistleblower, Jeffrey Bierman, will receive payments totaling slightly more than $9 million from the civil recovery; Relator Bierman participated substantially the development of the investigation that gave rise to the civil settlement. Orthofix has not conceded liability or wrongdoing as part of the civil settlement.
    As part of the settlement, Orthofix has also agreed to enter into an expansive corporate integrity agreement with the Office of Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services. That agreement provides for procedures and reviews to be put in place to avoid and promptly detect conduct similar to that which gave rise to this matter.
    In addition to these charges and this resolution against Orthofix, the Orthofix investigation has to date resulted in a number of felony charges against executives, employees and contractors of Orthofix, including the following:
    •A former Orthofix Vice-President of Sales, Thomas Guerrieri, pleaded guilty on April 9, 2012, to paying kickbacks to induce a doctor and a physician’s assistant to prescribe Orthofix products;
    •A former Orthofix Regional Sales Director, Mitchell Salzman, pleaded guilty on Dec. 14, 2011, to making a false declaration to a federal grand jury about Orthofix conduct;
    •A former Orthofix Territory Manager, Derrick Field, pleaded guilty on March 22, 2012, to falsifying patients’ medical records to fraudulently induce Medicare to pay for Orthofix bone growth stimulators;
    •A former Orthofix Territory Manager, Michael McKay, pleaded guilty on May 11, 2012, to falsifying patients’ medical records to fraudulently induce Medicare to pay for Orthofix bone growth stimulators; and
    •A physician’s assistant, Michael Cobb, pleaded guilty on April 19, 2012, to accepting kickbacks from Orthofix in return for ordering Orthofix bone growth stimulators.
    The investigation is ongoing.
    “This investigation, which has led to the prosecution of a number of individuals, including a highlevel executive, demonstrates the government’s unflagging commitment to prosecuting corporate and individual medical device fraud, and particularly to protecting Medicare from those who prey on it by fraudulent means,” said United States Attorney Carmen M. Ortiz.
    “The FBI played a lead role in a six-year investigation that led to Orthofix’s decision to plead guilty to obstructing a Medicare audit that was designed to line its pocket at the expense of the taxpayers,” said Richard DesLauriers, the Special Agent in Charge of the Boston Division of the FBI. “Health care companies and their employees should be on notice that the FBI is vigilant for those who engage in health care fraud schemes. Broadly, over the last three years, investigations by the FBI and its law enforcement partners, including DHHS, DCIS, FDA and others, have resulted in numerous criminal convictions and more than $4.7 billion in fines, settlements and restitutions from medical device, biotechnology and pharmaceutical firms, doctors, and other health care personnel who acted illegally, demonstrating why the Boston FBI division is a national leader in the effort to detect and deter health care fraud.”
    “Criminals intent on placing profits from federal health programs over and above compliance should expect to tangle with authorities,” said Susan J. Waddell, Special Agent in Charge of the Office of Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services New England region. “Orthofix blatantly ordered sales staff to disregard Medicare rules, and conveniently looked away when medical records were altered and even forged.”

    The criminal case was investigated and prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys David Schumacher and Jeremy Sternberg of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Massachusetts. The civil investigation and settlement was handled by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Zachary A. Cunha and Shannon T. Kelley of the U.S. Attorney’s Office and Senior Trial Counsel David T. Cohen of the Commercial Litigation Branch of the Justice Department’s Civil Division. The Corporate Integrity Agreement was negotiated by the Office of Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services.
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    WHAT A BUNCH OF CROOKS!!!

    42 million global resolution to resolve investigation into the marketing and sale of bone growth simulators

    BOSTON - American medical device manufacturer Orthofix, Inc. has agreed to pay over $42 million to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of its bone growth stimulators Orthofix Spinal-Stim, the Orthofix Cervical-Stim and the Orthofix Physio-Stim.

    Pursuant to the plea agreement, Orthofix has agreed to plead guilty to an Information charging it with a felony, namely obstruction of a federal audit. As set forth in the Information, for years Orthofix manipulated Certificates of Medical Necessity, an important form required by Medicare to be signed by a physician attesting that the bone growth stimulator was medically necessary. Medicare accounted for approximately 25% of Orthofix’s bone growth stimulator business. Orthofix manipulated these Certificates of Medical Necessity in a number of different ways, including: (a) having Orthofix sales representatives fill out the entire form, including the medical necessity section; (b) forging physicians’ signatures in the section of the form certifying the physician’s belief that the device was medically necessary; (c) filling out or improperly coaching the physicians’ staff to fill out the estimated length of need field as “9 months” for every patient without regard to the physician’s medical judgment about an individual patient’s estimated length of treatment.
     
  16. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Can't argue with the recent troubles that orthofx has had, but the fact remains that the best heal rate DonJoy has been able to show is 60.7%.
    Orthofix is 80%.

    Any numbers reps promote that aren't these two numbers are using subsets of these same studies. These are heal rates based on the clinical trials published by the companies.
    Giving Donjoy the benefit of the doubt, since their trial is actually not a real clinical trial, as it was written and funded by them with no peer review. The only peer reviewed articles liking at CMF technology state that there is no effect on fracture healing with CMF. Do a search on JBJS for trials and meta analyses on the devices if you want honest info.

    These are the facts.
     
  17. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    ALL THE STUDIES ON THESE DEVICES ARE CRAP - NO GOOD HEAD TO HEAD DATA


    AND THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOMES WHEN PATIENT TYPES ARE ACCOUNTED FOR
    30 MIN WEAR TIME FOR 80% HEAL RATE WINS EVERY TIME - OL1000 IS THE BEST

    AND IM NOT A PATIENT IM A PHYSICIAN, SO IM THE GENIUS HERE

    THE O-FIX CRAP HAS TO BE WORN FOR A FRIGGIN WHOLE DAY - EACH DAY - TO WORK ARE U KIDDIN??


    ALL THE STUDIES ON THESE DEVICES ARE CRAP - NO GOOD HEAD TO HEAD DATA
    KEEP SPOUTING YOUR BS HEAL RATE #s ON HEALED FRACTURES HAHA
     
  18. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    You can say that again! What a bunch of crooks at orthofix!
     
  19. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest


    You are a crook because you lie. You are also impersonating a Dr.
     
  20. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    I would love to hear your explanation on that. Have you actually read the "trial' your company used to prove its efficacy rate, which by the way is 60.7%. Did you know that two of the patients in that trial actually had to have their limbs AMPUTATED?!??

    why would your company recently remove the heal rate and the link to the study from your website? That is another good question!

    Here is your ACTUAL study: http://medsourcellc.com/documents/OLMultiCentPaper.pdf

    Look at the Conclusion page. 60.7 %. This is the only paper in existence that is used to support your product. The reps in my area tell all of their doctors that they have an 80% heal rate, which I suppose they are rounding up from the 75% tibial rate. Well, that would mean that any fracture besides a tibia, lets say femur, fibula, clavicle, humerus, radius, scaphoid, etc. all have a success rate around 30%.!!!!

    If any DJ rep can dispute this intelligently, I'm sure we would love to hear it.