How Diversity is Screwing You - By a FLL

We need to do this. Do you know how many people (men and women) would go all in re: this blatant discrimination? Whole bunch good buddy! You'd have plenty of GSK employees signing in and gettin' up for a shot at laying waste to these arrogant executives pulling this filthy stuff.

 

This not so much a diversity issue as it is an illegitimate evaluation system using cots and tests that involves massive across the board cheating. Gsk is using the system to their advantage but the real issue is that we are compared to each other from a testing format that is flawed, badly

 

Hire a few diversity candidates and everyone loses their mind! Get over it you ignorant ppl.

 

Then man the heck up and get something going! You punks come on here, bitching and moaning like pre-pubescent (tweener) girls that found out that Justin Beiber's concert sold out, and they can't go!

You all complain and talk tough, yet do nothing but vent on this board.

Punks. All of you.

 

This is a prime example of why we need diversity....You see how no one answered the poster to leave initials of bad reps?

It's all paranoia and a power struggle. I've been in several companies and if any minority gets a job it's because they aren't good enough but had to be put it the position, notice how it's portrayed by the ignorant. If the good ole boys don't have all the power they automatically make excuses and marginalized others.

 

-- Post #1,10 &14 are 100% TRUE

-- POST #14 (&42): IMPORTANT TO NOTE:

If you think you'll find similar employment within a year, you're right, the severance package is the way to go vs. suing for wrongful termination. You can only sue for damages (future earnings, stress and duress) when dealing with a wrongful termination case.

The portion of post #42 is incorrect when they say no attorney will touch it. They will and they will gladly take 30-40% of your winnings. It's up to each individual to look at their personal circumstances and decide if they think it will be worth it vs. taking a severance package.

-- WHAT EVERY WHITE EMPLOYEE-- UNDER PATIENT 1st IC -- STILL EMPLOYED --NEEDS TO KNOW:

Every white employee STILL employed at GSK in the patient first model has a very strong (reverse) discrimination lawsuit. The payouts are much larger than wrongful termination. Especially as a class action.

If you're afraid that GSK will fire you if you file a complaint, don't be. If you formally file through an attorney or just as post #79 states with the EEOC, you're protected by law because it's illegal and called "retaliation" if you get fired for filing a complaint. WAY bigger payouts for being fired for retaliation regardless if you are an "at will employee". It's illegal. Keep in mind, filing a complaint doesn't mean you no longer have to do your job well. Don't give them any ammunition.

This case is particularly strong because GSK's unlawful altering of diverse employee scores not only affects bonus, it also affects pay raises and promotions. If GSK just had the scores affect bonus, the lawsuit payout would be far less. But because the scores are also used to determine promotion and annual pay increases it causes large damages that compound over time.

If you're close to retirement, it won't be as big of a claim. The longer career runway still ahead of you, and a history of doing well before patient first makes the case stronger. But the bottom line is anyone who is white and had anything less than 200% payout at any point in time during patient first IC has a case. You were put on a bell curve and GSK falsifying diverse employee scores affected you on that bell curve.

Even if GSK reads this and decides to change their promotion and pay increase criteria next year, it doesn't take away the damage of what they've already done.

An individual can sue but a class action lawsuit is the way to go. Attorneys are not allowed to solicit you to sue without first having a client wanting to sue. Someone has to go to an attorney and file a complaint. It can be just one person but better if attorney knows many may be interested in suing.

Once they meet whatever the requirement is for a class action lawsuit, the attorney is allowed by law to ask if others want to join the class action lawsuit. They can also subpoena those who were fired who cannot sue because they took a package but they can happily tell the truth and testify this is going on.

Find a proven high powered attorney that will be paid via contingent fees. That means no out of pocket expense for you to have to pay the attorney. Instead they will take a % of your winnings. This can range from 20-40% depending on the attorney and what you negotiate.

GSK will most likely drag their feet for as long as they can before they decide to pay a settlement vs. going to court and letting the media and shareholders know about their illegal actions, So be ready for 3-5 yrs before getting a resolution. There is already a similar reverse discrimination lawsuit precedent that went to the Supreme Court where employees received promotions, won back pay and undisclosed millions in their retirement funds. After GSK does their homework ... They will learn that they will lose if it goes to court.

-- Couple comments on other posts:
#12: does not happen. You'll weaken a strong case if you make claims that are not true. The facts are already enough.
#20: you're correct.

 

Bullseye!

 

Everyday some woman is promoted to a manager--WITH NO experience--People are jumping from grade 9 to a grade 6--so wrong

 

Yadda yadda yadda. Go ahead and get your people together and file a suit. How well do you think a small town law firm is going to do against GSK's armies of sharp-toothed U Penn attorneys? Please.

In 3-5 years, a sizable percentage of us will no longer be here. That's not prophecy, it's a fact. Our business model is outdated, and will be right-sized in the next year or so. Two years, tops.

So 3-5 years from now when you're working for Publicis as a contract rep or manager, do you really think that you'll have the cojones to let your employer know that you'll be named in a suit…against one of their biggest clients?

Bring it. I double dare you. You'll lose, and then will be white-balled from this dying industry. I know 3 others in similar situations. They had to start their own "consulting firm" because they couldn't get a job anywhere in the industry. Needless to say, that consulting firm is sucking wind, but they had no other choice.

 

Interesting confession #89, that our business model is outdated. Do you mean that the intense focus on Reach and Frequency, etc. is known by leadership to be useless and yet they still harp on it incessently in spite of that? Not surprised, but nice to see the admission that the company is willing to wait a couple years plodding through a useless model before it does anything about it.
I wonder if your comments are less relevant to those who are closer to retirement, who are doing OK and have no interest in staying in this industry anyway? Maybe one of them would be happy to file a suit and "bring it on". Small town lawyers can eventually win at the Supreme Court, just look at the Wyeth case which originated in Vermont.

 

Its not a confession that the business model is outdated, it's a fact. Think about it…. for a couple of decades, reps had no counterparts coming behind them 3 days later with the exact same message. Ironically, in those days docs would see you without an appointment and would give you 4-5 minutes.

Nowadays, it's appointment or lunch only, and if you're in some parts of the country with great access, they may let you chat them up while signing for samples. Many reps I know start at 9:30-ish and most I know close up at 3:30 "calling on" 5-6 docs a day for 40 seconds at a shot.

A quick perusal of Pharma exec. or HR consulting trade mags shows what is abundantly clear: with all kinds of medication information apps and instant access to all sorts of information via smartphone, we don't serve the same purpose we did even 12 years ago. Add to that the pressure on doctors to be more efficient and to spend more time counseling each patient. Access, already horrible in many parts of the US, is going to go down. So why do we need a group of people making six figures calling on a profession that openly states that they have little or no use for us?

 

Confession...Admission...whatever you want to call it. Thank you Captain Obvious.

 

You really added a lot to the conversation. NOT! Whoever that is told more truth than most of us are willing to admit publicly.

 

Agreed. Duh. Again, thank you Captain Obvious.

 

Attention captain obvious bottom line is all GSK field force is being evaluated under a flawed system since simulations and evaluations have a mass fraud and cheating basis. Contact EEOC and file a complaint that will initiate a nation wide in investigation.

 

Some of us live on rural territories and drive approx 1000 miles a week.
It's impossible to work from 9:30 to 3:30 and meet the reach and frequency goals. Most of the reps I know work at least 40-60 hrs a week, but I live in a state with good access with multiple solo practices. If you live in a big city with multiple physician offices you can probably work 6hr days seeing doctors but you will still have to make time for the 5-15hrs of administrative tasks

We are less valuable today b/c we can't show studies and answer doctors questions which is hurting us as a profession

 

Attention, crybaby, you file first and all of us will see how that works out for you.

 

We're right behind you, rabble-rouser. Step up, man up, and file suit against your employer.
We'd be more impressed if you told us that you had already done so. Gee, I wonder why that is?

 

Consider how many reps have been removed from not only their long held position and how GSK has ruined careers and lives by manipulating a conspiratorial system that allows them to pick and choose who they want keep and who to throw out and not even afford them the dignity to even retire early. Think how many very successful reps that can't get hired by another company because GSK no longer has sales data that you can use to prove you are and always were sucessful in sales. Don't contact the EEOC for yourself contact and file for the hundreds of hard working dedicated sales professionals that made this company great at one time rather than the current bottom dwellers it has become. Get off your asses and act now.

 

You can show studies and actually sell in pharma. Just not at GSK. I have 12 studies I can share on my drug w docs with another pharma company. Just get the hell out of this place like I did and you will realize the industry hasn't really changed. GSK panicked as a result of the CIA and pulled all resources and are becoming irrelevant as a result. Very sad but true. Run from this place as fast as you can.