Why no generic Symbicort?

Discussion in 'AstraZeneca' started by Anonymous, Feb 15, 2007 at 12:50 AM.

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  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Seriously? The above response is to a reply that is almost four years old. Way to go, Idaho!
     

  2. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Thank you for your input. The esoteric nature of pharmaceuticals is dwindling as information becomes more and more available. There is NOTHING special about Symbicort! Is is the repackaging (in an old package we used to sell against as bad, cause it sprays the medicine all over your mouth instead of in the lungs) of two old off patent products. The repackaged product, Symbicort, is priced about 10X what it should be, based on what the compounds sell as separate, individual products.

    Remember, the companies selling the generic budesonide and generic fometerol so so at a PROFIT. But AZ has to charge 10X that, and gets away with it, thanks to the protection of the inept US patent office.
     
  3. Anonymous

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    I have no knowledge of from wence you came. If you're in the industry, you are probably a young democrat, embarrassed by how little you do and by how much you make. That's only temporary though so enjoy it.

    If you're a visitor from outside the industry, then you have little understanding of business. You don't duct take two old molecules together and sell them. The cost to getting these two old staples into a delivery system that is acceptable to the FDA is huge.

    Play your socialist stories elsewhere.

    If you support the Canadian system for example, where innovative pharma is dead, then you'll be somewhat happy only as long as the US versions of new drugs are available just over the border. That will eventually dry up too.

    I'm tired of the bs coming from the left about innovation and the US healthcare and cost. "The US has the worst system of all countries". What they don't tell you is that "Universal Healthcare" Is 50% of the points. A stacked deck.

    Having lived and worked in many countries, this is one of the few I'd want to get sick in.
     
  4. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Rather than discuss the topic at hand, your first two paragraphs are speculation about me personally. Then you call me a socialist! I am a free market capitalist, and it is clear from what I wrote. We should allow the free market to dictate pricing for pharmaceuticals. We don't -- the US government patent office protects this combination product. (Europe's patent office calls the combination "obvious" and therefore does not offer AZ patent protection on Symbicort.)

    I said nothing about the US system being the worst of all countries.

    I'm weary of idiots like you who divert the topic in order to promulgate your agenda -- which is to continue to protect the pharmaceutical industry -- but will keep trying nevertheless. The reason that there has been NO new products from pharma in the last decade is that the industry is protected by government agencies. If the free market were allowed to operate in the pharmaceutical arena, we'd see prices come down drastically, and innovation start again.
     
  5. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    What are "US versions of new drugs?" Aren't new drugs the same new drugs everywhere?

    And exactly what new drugs have come out in the last 10 years? Bet you can't name anything other than a new version of an old drug -- hence your slip above in quotes.

    Pharmaceutical innovation is dead in the USA, Canada, and worldwide, BECAUSE of the way the system is set up in the USA. The best safest surest way to make big bucks is to repack old proven products like penicillin into a shiny "new and improved" box and sell it for $200 a month to someone IN THE USA who is sick, needs medicine now, and doesn't know how to shop for a better product. It helps if he has someone like the government or an insurance company paying for most of it.
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Totally agree. But this is a blame that has plenty of departments, inside pharma and governments, to hang the blame on.

    Last 10 years? How about the DPP 4s?
    I don't think they are much of an innovation, but they are new(er).
     
  7. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    At least you tried:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_dipeptidyl_peptidase-4_inhibitors

    The link reads that the discovery came around '94 or '95, so that makes it around 15 years ago. It's a sorry fact, but a true one. Pharma R & D can't discover shit!

    Can we at least admit that, and then move on to the possible whys?
     
  8. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Anonymous is one unhappy child!
     
  9. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Go to http://www.pharmacyrxworld.com/

    Budesonide/Formoterol Inhaler is the generic they also sell symbicort
    Both are manufactured in India
    I have been using it for almost a year now

    They also have generic sprivia too.
     
  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    I'm sure the generic Symbicort is a real deal money wise. However the curry taste is awful.
     
  11. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    There is, foracort made by CIPLA
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    too expensive to do the studies for generic when devices (inhaler) involved is the usual line given for no generic of symbicort.
     
  13. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    There's generic albuterol inhaler. The quoted post is not correct, the prior one is an eye-opener. There is a generic already! Who knew...
     
  14. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    From what I see it is an autohaler. Seems to be an unusual generic, the manufacturer is touting the features and benefits of their product. Also there may be an issue with switches at the pharmacy level due to the device not being "equivalent" so my bet is there is no legal generic out yet.

    The company making it may have chosen unit profit over taking a big market share that could be wiped out when the Tom Dick and Harry generic makers decide they want a piece, but that's a wild guess.

    With Symbicort's pricing where it is, it seems bizarre that none of the people making generic albuterol inhalers want to compete yet. Any ideas?
     
  15. Anonymous

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    You're asking pharmaceutical reps for information? The only thing they know is what their company tells them, and AZ hides this pink elephant best they can from the whole world but especially their reps. You'll not learn anything about a competitor's product here! (Any more than you'll really learn anything about AZ's own products here. All you'll read is BS concocted by the management team.
     
  16. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Generic Ciple Foracort is as good or better than symnicort:)
     
  17. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    sorry Cipla and Symbicort.. 3X120 dose mdi for 58.50 delivered.
     
  18. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    What ever symnicort is.

    And this post of yours really meets the fda promotional rules. Good for you - you have the chance to become a successful marketer.

    Interestingly though, you are probably have less than one year in the job. You came on here to wave your private parts at your competitors. A couple of similar time people will respond, and away you go.

    The rest of us - those who have been here for years - really don't give a shit. We've been there, done that, and know that what we say here or in front of a customer is about as equally useful and memorable.

    But good luck to you.
     
  19. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Yeah you know the rules!! Hell you work for one of the companies that wrote them.

    That's what your company spends its time doing, so it can take two $10 a month generic compounds and mark them up 300% and claim your in it for patient health first! And send the profits back overseas.

    Get off of your high horse, dude -- your days are numbered, and soon you'll be out here with the rest of us. Your perspective will change after the low life moneygrubbers you work for decide you should no longer receive a payday.
     
  20. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Why have a generic-this way if someone with breathing problems wants relief they'll go broke buying it,so much for drug companies helping people. Yes some do once you prove you're dirt poor.