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Old 08-09-2006, 12:26 PM
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:40 PM
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Pharma reps sell but not on a dotted line. Can we sell capital equipment? Some of us can. It's an adjustment but with practice and experience and the drive to succeed I could.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:12 PM
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:13 PM
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Pharma reps sell but not on a dotted line.
Bullshit. That's like saying the bitches who spray you with perfume in the department store are selling, too. No, you are not. Sorry.


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Can we sell capital equipment? Some of us can. It's an adjustment but with practice and experience and the drive to succeed I could.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:31 PM
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Better question - who wants to sell capital equipment? I've sold antibiotic deals where we had to have someone sign on the dotted line and have done extensive contracting where someone had to sign for an exclusive deal. Being a high pressure used-car salesman is not all it's cut out to be. I'll take being a consultant in the choice of pharmaceuticals any day of the week where the focus is on the best medicine and the science instead of just the bottom line price. Anyone can do a high pressure sell and negotiate price.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:52 PM
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Better question - who wants to sell capital equipment? I've sold antibiotic deals where we had to have someone sign on the dotted line and have done extensive contracting where someone had to sign for an exclusive deal. Being a high pressure used-car salesman is not all it's cut out to be. I'll take being a consultant in the choice of pharmaceuticals any day of the week where the focus is on the best medicine and the science instead of just the bottom line price. Anyone can do a high pressure sell and negotiate price.
This backs up my point exactly. If you think that antibiotic *deals* are capital equipment, you just as cooky as all the other pharma reps out there. I'm speaking about deals which involve 300-500K committments. Consultative selling skills, not *high pressure used car salesmen*.

You may represent the best medicine, through your *lunch and learns*, 30 second detail, or *dinner programs*. I am speaking to deals which take months to close and require financial analysis, competitor research, muli-level hierarchy to wade through. Not just getting past a girl/guy at the front desk.
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Old 08-09-2006, 02:09 PM
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Old 08-09-2006, 02:11 PM
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This backs up my point exactly. If you think that antibiotic *deals* are capital equipment, you just as cooky as all the other pharma reps out there. I'm speaking about deals which involve 300-500K committments. Consultative selling skills, not *high pressure used car salesmen*.

You may represent the best medicine, through your *lunch and learns*, 30 second detail, or *dinner programs*. I am speaking to deals which take months to close and require financial analysis, competitor research, muli-level hierarchy to wade through. Not just getting past a girl/guy at the front desk.
To each his own. Look at the W2 of a successful drug rep vs cap rep and you will find just a tad difference in income. Delivering lunch or even executing a managed care contract is not going to make you much money.
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Old 08-09-2006, 02:14 PM
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Why do equipment and device reps think they sell while reps with any other line cannot?

Get off the proverbial high horse, work your burnout job, and talk to me when I retire at 48, after not selling anything (as you would put it)!!!!!
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Old 08-09-2006, 05:28 PM
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Why do equipment and device reps think they sell while reps with any other line cannot?

Get off the proverbial high horse, work your burnout job, and talk to me when I retire at 48, after not selling anything (as you would put it)!!!!!




I used to sell specialty pharma and now sell surgical device. I can say without a doubt I wasn't selling shit when i was in pharma. I made presidents club 2 yrs in a row and was rep of the year. Pharma was a joke and i knew it. There is a huge difference between the two, hell i even miss my three hour work days i used to have in pharma, sometimes. But there was nothing rewarding or challenging about pharma, so I left pharma to the single moms and cheerleader/sororty girls.
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Old 08-09-2006, 08:24 PM
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Why do pharma reps get defensive when the reality of their job is pointed out? It's a great job for people with no ambition in life but who want a part-time job with full-time pay and nice perks. You won't get rich but you'll be able to pay the bills. It truly is a great job for a soccer mom to do or for a recent college grad. But any 30+ year old male is CRAZY to be a pharma rep. If you're in your late 20's and still in pcp, you better look for something QUICK!

I enjoyed my first 5 years in pharma because it was a great job for the stage of life I was at with no responsibilities and no family. But you can't live off $80k forever and it's time to grow up at some point and get a real sales job that pays. Most of you understand this but a few flamers here refuse to see the truth.
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:01 PM
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Truth? Bullshit! I've sold capital equipment, device, timeshares, real estate so kiss my ass fuckface. I'm in the biotechnology sector now and I sell every day. It is sales. The majority of pharma is an extension of their company's marketing arm. But that doesn't mean the whole sector is or that nobody in this sector knows how to sell. I make two bucks a year, with a third the time and effort I put into my other positions. I call that smart.
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:01 PM
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Why do pharma reps get defensive when the reality of their job is pointed out? It's a great job for people with no ambition in life but who want a part-time job with full-time pay and nice perks. You won't get rich but you'll be able to pay the bills. It truly is a great job for a soccer mom to do or for a recent college grad. But any 30+ year old male is CRAZY to be a pharma rep. If you're in your late 20's and still in pcp, you better look for something QUICK!

I enjoyed my first 5 years in pharma because it was a great job for the stage of life I was at with no responsibilities and no family. But you can't live off $80k forever and it's time to grow up at some point and get a real sales job that pays. Most of you understand this but a few flamers here refuse to see the truth.

I totally agree. I was in device for over 10 years. Went back to pharma so that I could be a mom. It is an easy way to make a buck and balance family life.
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:02 PM
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Why do pharma reps get defensive when the reality of their job is pointed out? It's a great job for people with no ambition in life but who want a part-time job with full-time pay and nice perks. You won't get rich but you'll be able to pay the bills. It truly is a great job for a soccer mom to do or for a recent college grad. But any 30+ year old male is CRAZY to be a pharma rep. If you're in your late 20's and still in pcp, you better look for something QUICK!

I enjoyed my first 5 years in pharma because it was a great job for the stage of life I was at with no responsibilities and no family. But you can't live off $80k forever and it's time to grow up at some point and get a real sales job that pays. Most of you understand this but a few flamers here refuse to see the truth.
Why do people get defensive???? look at your post. You insulted virtually everyone in the industry. I am in biotech now, same shit as pharma, a little more specialized. Sold devices for 2 years, made good cash but was working crazy hours and never got to see my wife and kids, and trust me there are just as many schmucks in device as there are in pharma. I pull down about 120 after bonus, you are right, not getting rich but living a nice lifestlye. Do have more time now to concentrate on bulding passive streams of cash flow. Maybe not getting rich off my job, but building wealth because of it. Sometimes its better to look at the big pic.
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:04 PM
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See, but the secret is to do what I do and keep the pharma job. I W2'd 93k in my primary care job, but 1099'd 130k in my straight commission job.

Keep your capital equip job.
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Old 08-10-2006, 09:32 AM
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I'm in my late twenties, and I think pharma is a joke, but I make decent money and have all the time in the world to do other things like my other investments or hobbies, golf etc... I make as much as a device rep when i couple my other side gigs income. The key is, i do it at my own time and speed, only bc i want to, not bc i have to. So you can keep your capital equipment or device job with your crazy stress and rediculous hours. When I get stressed i go tee off, or shut it down early like around
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Old 08-10-2006, 09:41 AM
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Who ever said that pharma reps think they can sell capital equ(other than you) and who really fucking cares? go fuck yourself
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:56 PM
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I think a better question is why would a capital sales rep "god" feel the need to post on this board? There are a lot of good salespeople in pharma and there are a lot of shits. There are many stellar salesmen in med device and capital, and of course there are many shits.

I spent ten years in ortho implant sales. I made a shitload of money and it was very rewarding as far as the job ment. I also worked 70 hours a week, was on call nights and weekends, and basically had no home life. I am in the pharma industry now and things are obviously different.

Is pharma sometimes degrading? Yes? Is it a fulfilling job? No. Can you make a decent living working 25 hours a week? Yes. Why is it that so many people need to define themselves by what they do as a vocation?

I spent ten years alienating myself from my wife. I spent a year reconnecting when I left ortho and have thoughly enjoyed spending time with my 3 year old and 1 year old. What the hell difference will it make in 30 years when you are old what you did for a living? How many people sit on their death bed and say that they wish they had done something else for a living? I would guess they say that they wish they had spent more time with their family.
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:39 PM
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Whoever the asshole is who thinks selling capital equipment is exclusive and pharma reps can't do it is a jealous prick who has probably been rejected from numerous pharma jobs. I sold capital equipment for 10 years and it is no different. If you do not have good managed care, selling your drug is a challenge. If you do not have good GPO coverage, selling your capital equipment is a challenge. Same premise. Except with pharma you are home every evening with your family. Not as lucrative, but money isn't everything.
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:46 PM
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If you do not have good managed care, selling your drug is a challenge. If you do not have good GPO coverage, selling your capital equipment is a challenge. Same premise.
Yes, except pharma reps don't have to persuade hospitals to part with 500k-1 million dollars. Come on.
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Old 08-18-2006, 11:34 AM
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Yes, except pharma reps don't have to persuade hospitals to part with 500k-1 million dollars. Come on.
You're right. But a capital rep would struggle to sell this device if he couldn't prove that the hospital would make money off of it. I would part with that much money if I knew I could recoup the cost and make money off of it within a year.
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I think a better question is why would a capital sales rep "god" feel the need to post on this board? There are a lot of good salespeople in pharma and there are a lot of shits. There are many stellar salesmen in med device and capital, and of course there are many shits.

I spent ten years in ortho implant sales. I made a shitload of money and it was very rewarding as far as the job ment. I also worked 70 hours a week, was on call nights and weekends, and basically had no home life. I am in the pharma industry now and things are obviously different.

Is pharma sometimes degrading? Yes? Is it a fulfilling job? No. Can you make a decent living working 25 hours a week? Yes. Why is it that so many people need to define themselves by what they do as a vocation?

I spent ten years alienating myself from my wife. I spent a year reconnecting when I left ortho and have thoughly enjoyed spending time with my 3 year old and 1 year old. What the hell difference will it make in 30 years when you are old what you did for a living? How many people sit on their death bed and say that they wish they had done something else for a living? I would guess they say that they wish they had spent more time with their family.
One of the most honest and insightful responses I have ever read on CP.
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Old 10-29-2011, 03:41 PM
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One of the most honest and insightful responses I have ever read on CP.
You guys all act like this is a zero sum game. I was a pharma "rep"....notice I didn't say Sales Rep.

Moved onto Capital Equipment and I work even less than I did in pharma. I work 30 hours a week, have decent numbers and stay off of the radar for my small device company. Shit year I do 145. Good year I do 185. B

If you are good at selling, capital equipment is damn easy. If you don't know how to prospect, develop a sales funnel, short-term and long-term plan, listen, present and ask for the business, then negotiate price, financing, ROI Selling, you'll flop.

Most pharma reps I worked with never sold anything so you cant blame them for not having these skills. I sold copiers right out of college, then went into pharma, and when I went into medical device, I forgot what I knew about pharma and slid right into device no problem.

Be honest, we are all just working idiots. You are always at the mercy of someone above you, politics, the almighty dollar, etc.

You only go around this world once, so do what makes you happy. For me, pharma was a miserable existence, so I got out. However, most of the people in my district were genuinely happy doing it, especially the women because it afforded them so many freedoms.
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:36 AM
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You guys all act like this is a zero sum game. I was a pharma "rep"....notice I didn't say Sales Rep.

Moved onto Capital Equipment and I work even less than I did in pharma. I work 30 hours a week, have decent numbers and stay off of the radar for my small device company. Shit year I do 145. Good year I do 185. B

If you are good at selling, capital equipment is damn easy. If you don't know how to prospect, develop a sales funnel, short-term and long-term plan, listen, present and ask for the business, then negotiate price, financing, ROI Selling, you'll flop.

Most pharma reps I worked with never sold anything so you cant blame them for not having these skills. I sold copiers right out of college, then went into pharma, and when I went into medical device, I forgot what I knew about pharma and slid right into device no problem.

Be honest, we are all just working idiots. You are always at the mercy of someone above you, politics, the almighty dollar, etc.

You only go around this world once, so do what makes you happy. For me, pharma was a miserable existence, so I got out. However, most of the people in my district were genuinely happy doing it, especially the women because it afforded them so many freedoms.
All I learned from this was bla bla bla.

You people need to grow up.

Sales jobs all suck unless you have your own business, and those of you that make over 100k-200k or higher and think you have it all by the nuts are just fooling yourselves.

You are just slaves to high taxes and corporate structure.

If you want to see the real sales people, they are not working in a corporat structure.

Instead, they are commission only or have their own business.

Unfortunately, not many of you on this site have the guts to do this or have the self motivation to do it.

My favorites are the medical device reps that think they are the holy grail of sales and competition...

you are the biggest jokers out there.
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I'm in my late twenties, and I think pharma is a joke, but I make decent money and have all the time in the world to do other things like my other investments or hobbies, golf etc... I make as much as a device rep when i couple my other side gigs income. The key is, i do it at my own time and speed, only bc i want to, not bc i have to. So you can keep your capital equipment or device job with your crazy stress and rediculous hours. When I get stressed i go tee off, or shut it down early like around
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I see your point and participated in the industry like you did. It appears to be common sense.

As you age, if you do not hit some corporate mile stones in promotion you will soon be mandated to a rep by the "machine" and eventually choked out of pay check.

It is a very short period in life that allows for such selection. Keep on the look out for opportunity because they are few and far between as we move into the next ten years.
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All I learned from this was bla bla bla.

You people need to grow up.

Sales jobs all suck unless you have your own business, and those of you that make over 100k-200k or higher and think you have it all by the nuts are just fooling yourselves.

You are just slaves to high taxes and corporate structure.

If you want to see the real sales people, they are not working in a corporat structure.

Instead, they are commission only or have their own business.

Unfortunately, not many of you on this site have the guts to do this or have the self motivation to do it.

My favorites are the medical device reps that think they are the holy grail of sales and competition...

you are the biggest jokers out there.
If you are an independent sales rep or own your business you or no less a slave than those who work for a company...

Don't kid yourself.

They still answer to the bank who financed their capital equipment, their customers, their employees, their investors, their partners, the economy, etc.

I have no desire to start my own business to be the hero you say they are. Try paying for health insurance on your own for a family of 4. You are probably looking at 20 grand a year just for that, and add another 10 percent per year on that amount.



Methinks not.
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It is rough being unemployed... My husband had about 6 months of unemployment this year and it sucked!! After about 4 months of unemployment he was being asked in interviews why he had been unemployed for so long, after only 4 months?! So I can't imagine what a lot of the people on here have been describing... I suffered through the last 4 years of pharma after having a good 6 years prior to that... I dreaded getting out of bed everyday and would sit in my car staring at a clinic for an hour trying to talk myself into going in... I must say though that I
Got very very lucky, landed a job in diagnostics and medical equipment... I took the advice of another med device rep that had pharma background and came up with tangible sales examples, which is tough because of the nature of pharma, but I had a single layer territory so I didn't have the inevitable pod selling questions... I do agree though that networking is key, I got a ton of advice from other reps on how to interview with a pharma background in med devices, it definitely gave me an edge... The verdict is still out with the $$$ and time, but I will say that I am being treated like an adult and I Don't feel like a number... I did have to take a slight decline in my salary, I didnt care though!!!! Anything to get out of pharma!!!! Best of luck to all of you!!!
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:42 AM
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Of course it is not real selling, but you have to spin it like it is. I got out after 5 years and I will gross almost $250K this year selling capital equipment. I had to take one "lesser" job to get out of pharma, but after 18mos of that I get to make twice as much as I ever did in pharma. There are ways out, just most pharma reps aren't cut out for "real" sales
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:13 AM
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Of course it is not real selling, but you have to spin it like it is. I got out after 5 years and I will gross almost $250K this year selling capital equipment. I had to take one "lesser" job to get out of pharma, but after 18mos of that I get to make twice as much as I ever did in pharma. There are ways out, just most pharma reps aren't cut out for "real" sales
Another idiot bragging about how much money they make.

250k after taxes is about 150k.

Regardless, people that brag about how much money them make are stupid.
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Regardless, people that brag about how much money them make are stupid.
90% of the time they're lying, too.

People who brag about their incomes are usually brainless idiots.
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Another idiot bragging about how much money they make.

250k after taxes is about 150k.

Regardless, people that brag about how much money them make are stupid.
Yeah but a pharma rep's salary after taxes is about 50. So go figure.

You'll find that the driving force for most real sales people is money.
I am not the poster you referred to in this post, but as a device rep in my job, all I care about is my income potential and upward mobility. Sure, my product helps people to "get better" but there is nothing more or less altruistic about selling a device as there is selling a car or house.

People that got into pharma or medical device "to help people" are full of shit. Like me, most people got into sales after college because they didn't know what to do with their lives...But I don't care, I make fantastic money and work 20 hours a week. Case in point, it is Friday, around noon, and it is naptime.
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Correction, after taxes I will make about $160-170K, I had paid in about $70K last time I looked. There is no reason to brag on an anonymous board. The post is just to let those who are ambitious enough know that there is a way out.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:39 AM
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Correction, after taxes I will make about $160-170K, I had paid in about $70K last time I looked. There is no reason to brag on an anonymous board. The post is just to let those who are ambitious enough know that there is a way out.
Ambition is over-rated because everyone dies.

It is better to a. stay out of debt ALWAYS, b. find a job that you like, c. live a simple live.

People with ambition (I actually have ambition, unfortunately), are realing fooling themselves by working so hard...

I mean, do you really think rich people work hard? NO. Instead, they make money off of our peoples' backs and play golf all day, and drink, and cheat on their spouses. They are called bankers, mostly.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:29 PM
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Ambition is over-rated because everyone dies.

It is better to a. stay out of debt ALWAYS, b. find a job that you like, c. live a simple live.

People with ambition (I actually have ambition, unfortunately), are realing fooling themselves by working so hard...

I mean, do you really think rich people work hard? NO. Instead, they make money off of our peoples' backs and play golf all day, and drink, and cheat on their spouses. They are called bankers, mostly.
You can still make great money in sales and work 40hrs or less a week. It is just using good time-management. You sound like one of those Occupy Wall Street losers complaining about how rich people are so bad. Quit being a pussy and work a little smarter
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:45 AM
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Ambition is over-rated because everyone dies.

It is better to a. stay out of debt ALWAYS, b. find a job that you like, c. live a simple live.

People with ambition (I actually have ambition, unfortunately), are realing fooling themselves by working so hard...

I mean, do you really think rich people work hard? NO. Instead, they make money off of our peoples' backs and play golf all day, and drink, and cheat on their spouses. They are called bankers, mostly.
WHich Occupy Protest are you a part of?

The vitriol towards bankers is laughable. So many of you occupy protesters don't want to spread the blame, which includes

Bankers
The American people themselves who bought shit they couldn't afford
The government for insisting everyone should own a home

Come on now...
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WHich Occupy Protest are you a part of?

The vitriol towards bankers is laughable. So many of you occupy protesters don't want to spread the blame, which includes

Bankers
The American people themselves who bought shit they couldn't afford
The government for insisting everyone should own a home

Come on now...

You don't know shit about banking, or how much power they have, do you?

FYI, they run the planet.
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Old 11-14-2011, 11:09 AM
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You don't know shit about banking, or how much power they have, do you?

FYI, they run the planet.
Yup, you know those evil bankers, they are all Illuminati, worship Satan, drink the blood of babies and all meet at a location called "The Meadows" where the world's most powerful people meet to screw the middle class.


Let me guess, you are a "share the wealth" sort of guy?
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:57 PM
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Yup, you know those evil bankers, they are all Illuminati, worship Satan, drink the blood of babies and all meet at a location called "The Meadows" where the world's most powerful people meet to screw the middle class.


Let me guess, you are a "share the wealth" sort of guy?
Absoute opposite of share the wealth, which points to how little you do you know about the world of banking.
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:36 AM
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Absoute opposite of share the wealth, which points to how little you do you know about the world of banking.
I don't care about banking. I have a good job and a happy family. Are there powerful interests that manipulate folks like me? Sure. Do I care? No. Why not? Because there is nothing you or I can do it about it. The system of power and wealth in the hands of a few folks is no different than it has been for eons. The difference is, I don't dwell on it. I realize I am another brick in the wall and if you think of yourself otherwise you are seriously out to lunch.

So, while conspiracy theorists love to revel in this, I will enjoy time with my wife and child and go to a work and do the best job I can do. I will die one day and nobody other than my family will care. And I am okay with that.

"All in all, you're just another brick in the wall..." Deal with it.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:24 PM
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I don't care about banking. I have a good job and a happy family. Are there powerful interests that manipulate folks like me? Sure. Do I care? No. Why not? Because there is nothing you or I can do it about it. The system of power and wealth in the hands of a few folks is no different than it has been for eons. The difference is, I don't dwell on it. I realize I am another brick in the wall and if you think of yourself otherwise you are seriously out to lunch.

So, while conspiracy theorists love to revel in this, I will enjoy time with my wife and child and go to a work and do the best job I can do. I will die one day and nobody other than my family will care. And I am okay with that.

"All in all, you're just another brick in the wall..." Deal with it.
Conspiracy theorists are just eductated people, that understand the world.

Do you even understand that?

Keep you head in the sand, I guess its a good way to live. Good for you.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:03 PM
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Conspiracy theorists are just eductated people, that understand the world.

Do you even understand that?

Keep you head in the sand, I guess its a good way to live. Good for you.
It is a good way to live. You have no power to make any changes either in this society.

Yup, the conspiracy theorists are the educated ones, you know the ones with the black UN helicopters, the 911 truthers, the holocaust deniers, the Obama birthers, yup...

I'll spend the time you spend thinking about this with my family.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:49 PM
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It is a good way to live. You have no power to make any changes either in this society.

Yup, the conspiracy theorists are the educated ones, you know the ones with the black UN helicopters, the 911 truthers, the holocaust deniers, the Obama birthers, yup...

I'll spend the time you spend thinking about this with my family.
Its funny you bring up the Holocaust...

was it only the Jews that got slaughtered? NO.

Yet, that is all we hear about, how the Jews got schafted. Well, all groups got slaughtered during WW2, it was NEVER a Jewish thing, yet the fake Jews use the Holocaust to justify killing the Palentinias and taking there land.

You really are clueless. Keep reading your distorted history books, for more lies, especially if you really think some Arabs with box cutters really took those planes and knocked down a building, that just happened to have cameras positioned perfectly as they got hit. Oh ya, building 7 got knocked down by accident, right?

Grow up.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:55 PM
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It is a good way to live. You have no power to make any changes either in this society.

Yup, the conspiracy theorists are the educated ones, you know the ones with the black UN helicopters, the 911 truthers, the holocaust deniers, the Obama birthers, yup...

I'll spend the time you spend thinking about this with my family.
If you did your research (I am sure you have not), you would come to the conclusion that the mainstream media lies...

you are still to dumb to even realize that.
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:35 AM
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Its funny you bring up the Holocaust...

was it only the Jews that got slaughtered? NO.

Yet, that is all we hear about, how the Jews got schafted. Well, all groups got slaughtered during WW2, it was NEVER a Jewish thing, yet the fake Jews use the Holocaust to justify killing the Palentinias and taking there land.

You really are clueless. Keep reading your distorted history books, for more lies, especially if you really think some Arabs with box cutters really took those planes and knocked down a building, that just happened to have cameras positioned perfectly as they got hit. Oh ya, building 7 got knocked down by accident, right?

Grow up.


Take the energy you have regarding conspiracies and donate time to charity, work harder and spend more time with your family. The rest of your notions are just "noise" in the back of your head that may prevent you from enjoying life.

Best of luck to you.

And I may be clueless, but who cares? I have money in the bank, a happy family and a decent job. And if I get laid off...mehh, my wife works and I have a shit load in savings. I live within my means.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:34 PM
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Take the energy you have regarding conspiracies and donate time to charity, work harder and spend more time with your family. The rest of your notions are just "noise" in the back of your head that may prevent you from enjoying life.

Best of luck to you.

And I may be clueless, but who cares? I have money in the bank, a happy family and a decent job. And if I get laid off...mehh, my wife works and I have a shit load in savings. I live within my means.
Good luck to you too.

You may want to look into the deeper things in life before you pass, it will probably make the afterlife more bearable for you.

Or, just keep your head in the sand, most people do, and most people end up on the short end of the stick when all is said and done.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:27 PM
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If a Pharma Rep thinks he/she can sell medical equipment then go do it and stop handing out drugs. Selling is when your income is on the line everyday. There is no one giving you a salary and benefits. I was thrown to the wolves 20 years ago and for the love of not wanting my family to starve, I busted ass and became very successful. Anyone who gives it their all, with a never look attitude, can do it. If you want it, then give up everything that holds you back, get a product line and go sell it.
Good luck.
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:41 AM
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If a Pharma Rep thinks he/she can sell medical equipment then go do it and stop handing out drugs. Selling is when your income is on the line everyday. There is no one giving you a salary and benefits. I was thrown to the wolves 20 years ago and for the love of not wanting my family to starve, I busted ass and became very successful. Anyone who gives it their all, with a never look attitude, can do it. If you want it, then give up everything that holds you back, get a product line and go sell it.
Good luck.

Honestly, the independent sales route makes no sense to me. I am a "company guy" who sells medical devices for a large company.

By the time you start factoring in health insurance for a family of four which is probably 2500 a month and premiums that rise 10% a year

Then add
gas expenses, car expenses, cell phone/wifi, travel expenses at another 1500 a month...

You are spending 50 grand a year on that crap, plus no matching on 401k, no sponsored life insurance, disability, no defined career path within an organization...

Go sell for a good company, make 175-250 a year with a nice base, and have the support of a large company with marketing efforts, etc.

I do respect the indies out there. I have worked along side some of them. But when push comes to shove, I'll take having to put up with company BS versus the incredible risks/costs of selling indy. Indies are better sales reps than me for sure. But when our incomes are the same (or close to it) and I am not worried making my mortgage, I'll take being a shitty sales rep. I have sold in better economies than right now and I can tell you now is not the time to go indy selling big ticket items. Maybe for disposables, but not 50k dollar plus widgets. I sell very expensive items right now and other than section 179 buying, the market is crap. It just isn't me. My competitors are sucking ass right now too. I know because I am not seeing new placements of my class of devices like I used to.

To each his own. I realize I could get fired at any time. But a near 100k base salary with all expenses paid and another 75 -125 or so in commission is fine with me.

could I hack it as an indy? No. Do I view being a true "salesman" who has more skill as the next guy as anything glorious? Nope. I am there to make a paycheck.
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