AGE DISCRIMINATION IS ILLEGAL!

You would not believe the amount of people who are being harrassed lately because of their age.

Are you a young or new manager with Pfizer who is jealous because your older reps are getting more money than you?

Well we EARNED it and we have much more of a deeper and richer knowledge of selling in this industry than you do. So back off Bucko!! We are sick and tired of the Hostile Enviroment you have created for US!!!

Keep up the nasty FCG reports on us. We welcome the fuel for the jury!

Check out the Lilly board. It`s happening at Lilly now too, because I am the original poster. We are preparing to fight back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out the Lilly board. It`s happening at Lilly now too, because I am the original poster. We are preparing to fight back.

So are we. Raise the noise level! We owe it to the next generation to fight back and turn this ILLEGAL PRACTICE around!! It's time that we hold the American Pharmaceutical Companies ACCOUNTABLE!

We are not bitter. We expect these companies to understand the value of the Senior Representative.

It's like a Farm. You need young farmers to work the fields the hardest and older reps to weave their wisdom and relationships with the outside customers in order to yield the best crops.

Let the younger reps be the "Signiture Chasers" that they are. Let the older reps get access and actually deliver intelligent conversations and consulting to the physician.

Why these companies don't realize this---is extremely Short Sighted and ILLEGAL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are we. Raise the noise level! We owe it to the next generation to fight back and turn this ILLEGAL PRACTICE around!! It's time that we hold the American Pharmaceutical Companies ACCOUNTABLE!

We are not bitter. We expect these companies to understand the value of the Senior Representative.

It's like a Farm. You need young farmers to work the fields the hardest and older reps to weave their wisdom and relationships with the outside customers in order to yield the best crops.

Let the younger reps be the "Signiture Chasers" that they are. Let the older reps get access and actually deliver intelligent conversations and consulting to the physician.

Why these companies don't realize this---is extremely Short Sighted and ILLEGAL!

Ah yes, the bitter, old, fired rep who keeps droning on and on about age discrimination. Blah, blah, blah...

Who, exactly, is "we"? Would that be you and those "voices"? Did you actually assemble an entire group of bitter, washed up, fired reps and contact an opportunistic, bloodsucking labor lawyer to sue Pfizer for age discrimination?

Do us all a favor. Report back to the group when you actually have something new or different to say. Until then, maybe you want to keep the "age discrimination is illegal" rants between you and your therapist.

Many thanks!

I feel like I am fighting to keep my job. I am 40 with several years with Pfizer. My manager is using FTG for to use against me later in my review. This needs to stop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ah yes, the bitter, old, fired rep who keeps droning on and on about age discrimination. Blah, blah, blah...

Who, exactly, is "we"? Would that be you and those "voices"? Did you actually assemble an entire group of bitter, washed up, fired reps and contact an opportunistic, bloodsucking labor lawyer to sue Pfizer for age discrimination?

Do us all a favor. Report back to the group when you actually have something new or different to say. Until then, maybe you want to keep the "age discrimination is illegal" rants between you and your therapist.

Many thanks!

Do us all a favor and save this thread on your computer and come back and visit with us when YOU are fifty years old. Maybe you will have a different point of view.

Many thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do us all a favor and save this thread on your computer and come back and visit with us when YOU are fifty years old. Maybe you will have a different point of view.

Many thanks!

OK, will do.

Here's what else I'll do... continue to work hard and stay current with the industry and my peers, whatever their age or hair color. Whenever younger people are hired, I'll offer whatever help/coaching I can based on my experience, but I'll make damn sure that I NEVER get caught grumbling and whining about how all the younger people are to blame for adversity or professional shortcomings. Because, of course, that would make me sound old.

At Pfizer we have many, many excellent employees who are over 40 (or 50!) who follow these rules and seem to be doing just fine. My guess (and I think it's safe to assume that it's "educated") is that you became pretty complacent in a job that was simple until a few years ago. The products basically sold themselves, the rules of engagement were few and far between, you liked the warm comraderie of the POAs, and you enjoyed a very comfortable existence that didn't require you to stay on top of things. However, when times changed, the job became more competitive, the company began hiring lots of new reps, and the old "happy days" selling Norvasc, Cardura, Zoloft, Diflucan, Feldene, and Procardia XL came to a close, you became whiny and bitchy and turned your frustration and bewilderment against younger managers, Pfizer management, and really anyone but yourself. Now, after getting swept out during layoffs, you have convinced yourself that your situation all about age discrimination and some broad corporate conspiracy to hire only young, hot ex-cheerleaders. Of course, when pressed for substantive evidence of this systemic problem, you are only capable of responding with disjointed anecdotes and lame comments like: "if you check out the GAR, you'll see that the Barbies and Kens are incompetent; the ones that look like they are performing well just inherited a good territory from an old rep who was fired by a manager who discriminates against seniors".

Worst of all, your immediate response to all this is to run to a lawyer and figure out a way to sue Pfizer.

All this amounts to a pretty ugly picture and it's not because you're no longer a twenty-something hottie.

dumb, dumb and more dumb....where does Pfizer find these people
Warm camaraderie of POAS? You need a drug test.
What you will find is that I have a History of helping new
employees.
Not every young hire by Pfizer is a Barbie. However you are one.
So Barbie, Pfizer doesn't hire "new" employees over 30
and usually not over 24 . Pfizer
only hires very young collegiates, unless your military ..then
you get an age allowance. Look around at new employees.
This is against the law. I am from the first group of women ever
hired by this company. I had to listen to the initial sneers of men
saying " wow I cant wait to see the woman who's going
to replace me." They were angry that Pfizer hired two women in a row.
that made 2 out of twelve iin a district , in almost 100 years of existence. I have never been anything but helpful to new hires. I'm the one who agreed to switch rooms with reps who could not tolerate being shadowed for four days by reps 15 years younger than themselves.
Pfizer has created a hostile environment for older reps and if you
have not felt it yet, you will. They were doing this to the older
gentleman before they retired in the past. I stuck up for our senior class
and endured the ire of younger managers who felt that they could not command the attention from the young girls with these older witnesses hanging around.
As for your comment about obeying the rules? How dare you. I am the one
who obeyed all of the rules and endured the criticism and threats
from a Barbies who was a lying, cheating, whoring, thief and a
manager who licked the bottom of her manolo Blahniks.
..Ok to be fair I never actually saw him lick the bottom of her shoes
but I did see her rubbing her breasts on his shoulder and heard them
talk about swapping spit .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

dumb, dumb and more dumb....where does Pfizer find these people
Warm camaraderie of POAS? You need a drug test.
What you will find is that I have a History of helping new
employees.
Not every young hire by Pfizer is a Barbie. However you are one.
So Barbie, Pfizer doesn't hire "new" employees over 30
and usually not over 24 . Pfizer
only hires very young collegiates, unless your military ..then
you get an age allowance. Look around at new employees.
This is against the law. I am from the first group of women ever
hired by this company. I had to listen to the initial sneers of men
saying " wow I cant wait to see the woman who's going
to replace me." They were angry that Pfizer hired two women in a row.
that made 2 out of twelve iin a district , in almost 100 years of existence. I have never been anything but helpful to new hires. I'm the one who agreed to switch rooms with reps who could not tolerate being shadowed for four days by reps 15 years younger than themselves.
Pfizer has created a hostile environment for older reps and if you
have not felt it yet, you will. They were doing this to the older
gentleman before they retired in the past. I stuck up for our senior class
and endured the ire of younger managers who felt that they could not command the attention from the young girls with these older witnesses hanging around.
As for your comment about obeying the rules? How dare you. I am the one
who obeyed all of the rules and endured the criticism and threats
from a Barbies who was a lying, cheating, whoring, thief and a
manager who licked the bottom of her manolo Blahniks.
..Ok to be fair I never actually saw him lick the bottom of her shoes
but I did see her rubbing her breasts on his shoulder and heard them
talk about swapping spit .

Nice.

Classy.

You are not well.

I stand by my previous comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

dumb, dumb and more dumb....where does Pfizer find these people
Warm camaraderie of POAS? You need a drug test.
What you will find is that I have a History of helping new
employees.
Not every young hire by Pfizer is a Barbie. However you are one.
So Barbie, Pfizer doesn't hire "new" employees over 30
and usually not over 24 . Pfizer
only hires very young collegiates, unless your military ..then
you get an age allowance. Look around at new employees.
This is against the law. I am from the first group of women ever
hired by this company. I had to listen to the initial sneers of men
saying " wow I cant wait to see the woman who's going
to replace me." They were angry that Pfizer hired two women in a row.
that made 2 out of twelve iin a district , in almost 100 years of existence. I have never been anything but helpful to new hires. I'm the one who agreed to switch rooms with reps who could not tolerate being shadowed for four days by reps 15 years younger than themselves.
Pfizer has created a hostile environment for older reps and if you
have not felt it yet, you will. They were doing this to the older
gentleman before they retired in the past. I stuck up for our senior class
and endured the ire of younger managers who felt that they could not command the attention from the young girls with these older witnesses hanging around.
As for your comment about obeying the rules? How dare you. I am the one
who obeyed all of the rules and endured the criticism and threats
from a Barbies who was a lying, cheating, whoring, thief and a
manager who licked the bottom of her manolo Blahniks.
..Ok to be fair I never actually saw him lick the bottom of her shoes
but I did see her rubbing her breasts on his shoulder and heard them
talk about swapping spit .

can you give the names of youmg reps who are whoring and rubbing their breasts on males... I need to get to the bottom of this....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can you give the names of youmg reps who are whoring and rubbing their breasts on males... I need to get to the bottom of this....

I believe the poster is talking about the cheerleader that wrote product names on her thighs and showed this to her doctor. The girl is somewhere up North. I've heard enough about this girl that I am sick to my stomach.

Try looking in Penn.

Just think about it for a minute. We will all be older eventually. We will all hit 40. If you have not hit 40 yet, you can NOT validly comment on what is happening to those who have.

The nastiness on here is just not necessary. Age discrimination is real. You can feel it, you can see it. If you are now under 40 and prospering, that is wonderful. But you can`t assume that all over 40 reps having problems deserve them or brought them on themselves, just as the over 40 crowd can`t look at every under 40 rep as a Barbie or Ken. We have either all been each other, or will be each other, so keep that in mind.

I can be wise and wonderful because I`m not from around here. I bailed out from Lilly at the ripe old age of 50, resigning in disgust at the treatment I, a female, was receiving at the hands of a very young manager. Did she have a mandate to get me out? Who knows? All I can say is that she treated all her under 40 reps well, over 40 like a steaming pile. You get my drift. There are other places to go, better things to do---lawsuit to file?

But check out the Lilly board. All is not so happy over there, nor over at BI either. This seems to be an industry issue, NOT one dreamed up by one company or another.

Let`s all stay tuned, and stay alert for this issue to grow. I am sure there are statutes of limitations on this sort of thing for filing--anyone know what they are? A cross-company suit---wouldn`t that be a hoot, if legal???

The statute of limitatins fro filing with the eeoc depends on the state that you are in...search "employment law and Indiana etc.....
You can get an attorney where you live or where the company resides or
is incorporated. For Lilly, I would file either multiplaintiff in Indiana
or individually in your home state. You can file individually in Indiana
too, but I wouldn"t , Lilly is revered by all in that state.

sorry...statute of "limitations"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel like I am fighting to keep my job. I am 40 with several years with Pfizer. My manager is using FTG for to use against me later in my review. This needs to stop

What is FTG? Please inform this over 40 ish employee of another company.

FTG Pfizers code for Fire that GIRL ..(.sometimes incorrectly used to refer to FTCG, see FTCG)
When the RM tells a DM to use the " FTG",
thats code for fire the old broad

FTCG This is a term referrenced to be a field trip coaching guide
It is Used by "WHO"S your DADDY " managers as a way of to
increase sales of Pfizer products like zoloft. It is also used by Pfizers attorneys to falsely establish adequate warnings for "non-Performance".

FTCG fondly referred to by Pfizers employment attorneys as an
offensive strategy of creating a Fake Trail of documentation and
thus Creating a market for Geodon, hence FTCG. This approach is
is actually a slower process. I heard that it is used to falsely
accuse Numbers of field reps, both male and female of actually
physically threatening Managers and cheerleaders with violence
resulting in their termination.

Hey check out the nasty string of posts by amgen, apparently (an ex pfizer rep?) is suing them in California court. Anyone know who she is?

Karryn Bonner...anyone know this person?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FTG Pfizers code for Fire that GIRL ..(.sometimes incorrectly used to refer to FTCG, see FTCG)
When the RM tells a DM to use the " FTG",
thats code for fire the old broad

FTCG This is a term referrenced to be a field trip coaching guide
It is Used by "WHO"S your DADDY " managers as a way of to
increase sales of Pfizer products like zoloft. It is also used by Pfizers attorneys to falsely establish adequate warnings for "non-Performance".

FTCG fondly referred to by Pfizers employment attorneys as an
offensive strategy of creating a Fake Trail of documentation and
thus Creating a market for Geodon, hence FTCG. This approach is
is actually a slower process. I heard that it is used to falsely
accuse Numbers of field reps, both male and female of actually
physically threatening Managers and cheerleaders with violence
resulting in their termination.

Thank you for explaining.....
This has actually happened to me so I can relate.....very painful. Luckily I am a normal person who can see straight through it. I just kept on smiling and trying to do my job...although they make it impossible. (Not at Pfizer..another company). Dignity is lost in this business.

I think they are doing this to ALL employees approaching 40 years of age.....men and women. I have heard that 40 is the magic number for a woman to have an EEOC case, but it is higher for men (55?). Does anyone know if this is true?

If so, why wouldn't they target more men....or are they?

OK you pice of shit lawyers go back to your own boards. You people are as bad as Pelossi...get the hell out of here you ambulance chasers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think they are doing this to ALL employees approaching 40 years of age.....men and women. I have heard that 40 is the magic number for a woman to have an EEOC case, but it is higher for men (55?). Does anyone know if this is true?

If so, why wouldn't they target more men....or are they?

Nothats not true. Its forty for all men and women

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK you pice of shit lawyers go back to your own boards. You people are as bad as Pelossi...get the hell out of here you ambulance chasers

I'm a rep, want to buy a $500 vpc card?
Who is Pelossi?
Have you had your zoloft today?
Pfizer do you realize that your Raging Managers send their
raging reps home to scream at their wives and kids from all of
that contagious stress? Listen DM, take your medicine and calm down.
It will all be over soon. Make sure that you check your voicemail
late on fridays ....after 6:30 because that is when they
will let you know about your monday morning conference call
with HR and the RM. Make sure you complete your GCE expense report
because they will want that and all of your equipment when they move in with
all of the grace of a swat team. You have 3 HOURS to drive home and
get your things. They will already be there waiting for you when you arrive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK you pice of shit lawyers go back to your own boards. You people are as bad as Pelossi...get the hell out of here you ambulance chasers

You stupid jerk! When are you going to get it! We are NOT lawyers!
We are, or were, loyal Pfizer employees who helped build this organization.

Now, they are treating many of us like DIRT because they think we are too expensive and know too much. Pfizer use to be known as the Mafia of Pharma. I guess it's gotten worse.
The more you know ----the more of a threat you are----then they'll "knock" you off.
If you don't kiss the "Godfather's ass" he'll knock you off as well.

The company is just too big and too full of itself.

They (management) Pfire they older reps they feel threatened by even if the reps would never do anything to threaten Pfizer.

They call them "unmanageable" because these are the reps that don't NEED someone breathing down their neck once or twice a month. These reps know more than the young DM's and the DM's know it. We are open to learn but smart enough to know when something like "LAF" notes and "Action Selling" is not going to be around long. We've seen the cycles come and go and we have developed a sense of what works and what does not.

It makes the DM's paranoid. Doesn't it Jacko?