VYVANSE VS. ADDERALL XR POSTER

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This has been out since October.

What parent will switch their child to Vyvanse if side effects lasts even longer than Adderall XR?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What parent will switch their child to Vyvanse if side effects lasts even longer than Adderall XR?

No parent will moron, that's why you sell to doctors? Think parents will ever see this poster, think not. Switch, switch switch those patients over kids, or no bonus for you!

Both my daughter switched from Adderall to Vyvanse about 6 weeks ago after our psychiatrist compeletly disclosed ALL the information AND it is amazing....so there are some parents out here who still make the decision to switch, even with full knowledge of side-effects. And, unless you yourself have ADHD, you wouldn't have a clue what it is like to live with this. If you did, you'd have a far more objective opinion when weighing the benefits against the side-effects.

Hey, I hope you read this because I'd like to ask you a question. You mention that you have switched your daughters from Adderall to Vyvanse. I'm an adult female with ADD, and have been taking Adderall. Have you found Vyvanse to be more effective, generally, with your daughters' abilities to concentrate? What about weight-loss? I've lost so much weight since starting Adderall, I've gone from looking healthy to feeling healthy but looking like a halocaust survivor. Thanks for your reply!

Originally Posted by Unless

Hey, I hope you read this because I'd like to ask you a question. You mention that you have switched your daughters from Adderall to Vyvanse. I'm an adult female with ADD, and have been taking Adderall. Have you found Vyvanse to be more effective, generally, with your daughters' abilities to concentrate? What about weight-loss? I've lost so much weight since starting Adderall, I've gone from looking healthy to feeling healthy but looking like a halocaust survivor. Thanks for your reply!

Try Vyvanse, I think you'll be suprised and find what you are looking for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both my daughter switched from Adderall to Vyvanse about 6 weeks ago after our psychiatrist compeletly disclosed ALL the information AND it is amazing....so there are some parents out here who still make the decision to switch, even with full knowledge of side-effects. And, unless you yourself have ADHD, you wouldn't have a clue what it is like to live with this. If you did, you'd have a far more objective opinion when weighing the benefits against the side-effects.

My daughter recently started vyvanse a couple of days ago.How long does it take for the meds to start working? I don`t know about your daughters ,but mine seems to be irritable all of the time,before the medication that is.I`m wondering if vyvanse will take care of that as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My daughter recently started vyvanse a couple of days ago.How long does it take for the meds to start working? I don`t know about your daughters ,but mine seems to be irritable all of the time,before the medication that is.I`m wondering if vyvanse will take care of that as well.

I am an adult with ad/hd and I'm on vyvanse. I have found less irritabilty with vyvanse.

[Galactus]

You will pry my Adderall Instant Release script (Branded ONLY) from my cold, dead hands.

My hands do get cold though...

After complaining to my doctor that I felt my 30 mg. Adderall was not as effective anymore, he told me to try Vyvanse. Three weeks later on 70 mg. and with projects piling up I just can't finish, a feelings of a malaise, and a new habit of pulling out strands of hair, I decided I had to go back to Adderall. Wow, what a difference I feel. I am once again calm, focused, and very happy. My mind seems very clear. Even though my doctor's appointment isn't for another week, I'm calling him on Monday and telling him I need to go back to Adderall XR, hopefully 40 mg.

I concur with that poster who says, now they will have to pry my Adderall XR from my cold dead hands. (My hands too are ironically very cold, but they have always been cold.)

Good luck with switching back to Adderall at 40 mg (unless someone other than a regular M.D. is prescribing for you) because my family M.D. told me that they can only go up to 30 mg then you have to go to psych M.D.

I switched to Vyvanse 70 mg from Adderral xr 30 mg exactly 10 days ago and don't see any improvement yet. Other than first day to work after starting on Vyvanse cleaning out a desk drawer that had been junked up for 6 years I have not had any more focus on anything else and actually felt more scattered than ever.

What were the differences that made you want to go back to Adderall because I may be doing the same?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck with switching back to Adderall at 40 mg (unless someone other than a regular M.D. is prescribing for you) because my family M.D. told me that they can only go up to 30 mg then you have to go to psych M.D.

I switched to Vyvanse 70 mg from Adderral xr 30 mg exactly 10 days ago and don't see any improvement yet. Other than first day to work after starting on Vyvanse cleaning out a desk drawer that had been junked up for 6 years I have not had any more focus on anything else and actually felt more scattered than ever.

What were the differences that made you want to go back to Adderall because I may be doing the same?

Try Concerta!

I'm 18 and was on Concerta for the past three years until it started to trigger anxiety and my skin would get blotchy and red on my chest (only lasting for about 10 min) I told my Dr. and I got switched to Vyvanse and I tried it for one day and hated it. I felt less focused than ever, I was overwhelmed with little things, and it gave me an unwanted high. My pupils were huge all day and when I looked at my feet I couldn't understand how I was walking... The worst part was it made me kind of sad and I felt like crying all day but for absolutly no reason because I knew I was happy and it was only the medicine. Since then I've gone back to Concerta and I wonder if I should try Vyvanse at least a second time. Has this happened to anyone else? Should I try Aderral?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm 18 and was on Concerta for the past three years until it started to trigger anxiety and my skin would get blotchy and red on my chest (only lasting for about 10 min) I told my Dr. and I got switched to Vyvanse and I tried it for one day and hated it. I felt less focused than ever, I was overwhelmed with little things, and it gave me an unwanted high. My pupils were huge all day and when I looked at my feet I couldn't understand how I was walking... The worst part was it made me kind of sad and I felt like crying all day but for absolutly no reason because I knew I was happy and it was only the medicine. Since then I've gone back to Concerta and I wonder if I should try Vyvanse at least a second time. Has this happened to anyone else? Should I try Aderral?

What a pussy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm 18 and was on Concerta for the past three years until it started to trigger anxiety and my skin would get blotchy and red on my chest (only lasting for about 10 min) I told my Dr. and I got switched to Vyvanse and I tried it for one day and hated it. I felt less focused than ever, I was overwhelmed with little things, and it gave me an unwanted high. My pupils were huge all day and when I looked at my feet I couldn't understand how I was walking... The worst part was it made me kind of sad and I felt like crying all day but for absolutly no reason because I knew I was happy and it was only the medicine. Since then I've gone back to Concerta and I wonder if I should try Vyvanse at least a second time. Has this happened to anyone else? Should I try Aderral?

Try a bullet

We just started our daughter on Vyvanse, and the first day was awful. She was more hyper than she has ever been, and did not sleep a wink that night. We went ahead and gave it to her the next day just so she wouldn't crash at school. She did wonderful! We have given it to her ever since and her teachers can't believe the difference. She is only ADD, and it seems to really be helping her stay focused and stay on track. We are very happy as of now.

If you are having problems with irritability, appetite suppression and insomnia, switch to Focalin XR. It worked awesome for me. So many fewer side effects than Adderall XR!!! Plus, the doctors all have coupons to try a month worth for free. Try and compare and you might love it too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are having problems with irritability, appetite suppression and insomnia, switch to Focalin XR. It worked awesome for me. So many fewer side effects than Adderall XR!!! Plus, the doctors all have coupons to try a month worth for free. Try and compare and you might love it too.

Sure, Focalin XR is great if you only want coverage until 2 pm-but my question is what do you do the rest of the day? It is proven that most patients do better on amphetamines in terms of efficacy - if side effects are the problem it's USUALLY a dosing issue. All of the above side effects you mentioned are in every package insert for ALL stimulants. Focalin XR mimics the Adderall XR 50/50 release, the only problem with that is MPH has a half life much shorter than AMPH - AMPH are designed to be dosed BID while MPH ideally should be dosed QID but usually at least TID. In other words, Focalin XR is an option if you only need coverage for half of the day and is exactly why they have remained at the same low market share for 2 years!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure, Focalin XR is great if you only want coverage until 2 pm-but my question is what do you do the rest of the day? It is proven that most patients do better on amphetamines in terms of efficacy - if side effects are the problem it's USUALLY a dosing issue. All of the above side effects you mentioned are in every package insert for ALL stimulants. Focalin XR mimics the Adderall XR 50/50 release, the only problem with that is MPH has a half life much shorter than AMPH - AMPH are designed to be dosed BID while MPH ideally should be dosed QID but usually at least TID. In other words, Focalin XR is an option if you only need coverage for half of the day and is exactly why they have remained at the same low market share for 2 years!!!

So why do you promote Vyvanase as having longer duration (12 hours) and thru 6pm? btw....6pm is kind of lame unless you dosed at 6am. I find that hard to believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So why do you promote Vyvanase as having longer duration (12 hours) and thru 6pm? btw....6pm is kind of lame unless you dosed at 6am. I find that hard to believe.

well believe it bitch...fb from docs and parents agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So why do you promote Vyvanase as having longer duration (12 hours) and thru 6pm? btw....6pm is kind of lame unless you dosed at 6am. I find that hard to believe.

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. Vyvanse does have longer duration and data shows that at 6pm efficacy was comparable to 10am - this doesn't mean that Vyvanse stops working at 6pm. Focalin XR can't touch 6pm unless its dosed twice a day.Lame is Focalin XR that doesn't even get you through the school day. The reason why is that one short-acting Adderall lasts a lot longer than one short-acting Ritalin - therefore, you can't mimic the delivery system of Adderall XR (which was designed to mimic twice a day dosing of short-acting Adderall) for a Ritalin type product. If you ask doctors what the average duration is with Focalin XR almost all will say 6-8 hours AT BEST - I hear it everytime I ask.

I thought concerta worked for 12 hrs. how is this vyvanse any better. my doctor said that none of these drugs work any better than any others it is just a matter of how long and what the side effects are. my son was tried on adderrall and he immediately had tics -- it was horrible. he switched to concerta and has been doing great and only had some stomache upset at first, but nothing else.

We started giving our son Vyvanse, took him off of Adderall, and we dose him at 7:30 a.m. Monday-Friday. By 5 p.m. the effects are worn off, which is good since it allows him to run around and burn off energy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We started giving our son Vyvanse, took him off of Adderall, and we dose him at 7:30 a.m. Monday-Friday. By 5 p.m. the effects are worn off, which is good since it allows him to run around and burn off energy.

but but but...it works thru 6pm...our vis aid says so!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck with switching back to Adderall at 40 mg (unless someone other than a regular M.D. is prescribing for you)

Why the fuck would you be getting your psycho-related drugs from a PHYSICIAN, not to mention one who won't listen to you?

Sorry but I just had to butt in.

That is all.

I have been taking adderall 30mg on and off for five years now, and recently have been switched to vyvanse. I feel that it is not nearly as affective as adderall was for the short burst type of concentration where i could knock out a paper in 2 hours, but it does keep me on task for a longer period of time, just at a slower rate. What im wondering is if anyone knows about what can happen from abuse of adderall. I dont take my prescription everyday, but instead save it for days when i have a lot of work. This is when i take triple or quadruple the dosage, sometimes nasaly. I have also taken other drugs while on it, if anyone has any information on any of these aspects of abuse it would be much appreciated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been taking adderall 30mg on and off for five years now, and recently have been switched to vyvanse. I feel that it is not nearly as affective as adderall was for the short burst type of concentration where i could knock out a paper in 2 hours, but it does keep me on task for a longer period of time, just at a slower rate. What im wondering is if anyone knows about what can happen from abuse of adderall. I dont take my prescription everyday, but instead save it for days when i have a lot of work. This is when i take triple or quadruple the dosage, sometimes nasaly. I have also taken other drugs while on it, if anyone has any information on any of these aspects of abuse it would be much appreciated

All the data on "abuse" shows that there isn't any. I would suggest continuing to do what you are doing. Nothing wrong with shoving it up your nose. Some studies actually show a positive impact on the nasal membranes and allergies seem to improve (if patients had them). Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are having problems with irritability, appetite suppression and insomnia, switch to Focalin XR. It worked awesome for me. So many fewer side effects than Adderall XR!!! Plus, the doctors all have coupons to try a month worth for free. Try and compare and you might love it too.

Focalin XR SUCKS!!!
hey i guess it depends on the person tho. Im a 17 year old with adhd and im on 20 mgs of adderall xr. its working wonders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a pussy!

What is wrong with you? You obvioulsy don't belong here!

If you are only taking triple and quad. the prescribed amount, and snorting it, You have an addiction. Adderall and vyvanse are very very addictive medications. These large doses can cause heart problems, and high blood pressure, Even a CVA (stroke). You need to get some help before you really harm your body. Adderall is an amphetamine, same type of drug as crystal meth. I find it to be very effective in treating ADHD. It can however lead to dependence. I have had two sons on adderall. And, I am a nurse. Please Please get some help before you end up in a bed in some nursing home unable to care for yourself after having a stroke.

Don't be a worry wart. As soon as you guys launch Intuniv. He can get all the hypotension he needs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't be a worry wart. As soon as you guys launch Intuniv. He can get all the hypotension he needs.

The posters on this drug are scary. No wonder we haven't launched it yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought concerta worked for 12 hrs. how is this vyvanse any better. my doctor said that none of these drugs work any better than any others it is just a matter of how long and what the side effects are. my son was tried on adderrall and he immediately had tics -- it was horrible. he switched to concerta and has been doing great and only had some stomache upset at first, but nothing else.

I tried Concerta, so much better than Vyvanse if you don't mind the feeling of your heart pounding out of your chest and love to vomit. If you don't mind your heart racing and puking than Concerta is for you too!!

As an adult ADD patient I've been through the chain of meds and Vyvanse is hands down the best.
Way smoother, 100% consistent, longer lasting than Adderall XR ever was.

Concerta never lasted more than 8 hours for me.

Focalin XR/Ritalin LA = nightmare. Crap formulation since you get 2 distinct peaks and watch out when it wears off.

Now, if some company actually had the balls to bring Desoxyn back to the mainstream market. That is supposed to be the best ADHD med ever and zero side-effects.

V

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm 18 and was on Concerta for the past three years until it started to trigger anxiety and my skin would get blotchy and red on my chest (only lasting for about 10 min) I told my Dr. and I got switched to Vyvanse and I tried it for one day and hated it. I felt less focused than ever, I was overwhelmed with little things, and it gave me an unwanted high. My pupils were huge all day and when I looked at my feet I couldn't understand how I was walking... The worst part was it made me kind of sad and I felt like crying all day but for absolutly no reason because I knew I was happy and it was only the medicine. Since then I've gone back to Concerta and I wonder if I should try Vyvanse at least a second time. Has this happened to anyone else? Should I try Aderral?

I'm 16 and ive tried adderall xr 15mg for about 4 months and it was doing nothing really. Now after realizing need medication to get more focused, my psychiatrist gave me Vyvanse 30mg and it my first day on the medication and I became extremely depressed by the end of the day, although in the beginning of the medications affects in the morning I felt so focused. But I totally am feeling the same way, i felt like crying for no reason and when i looked at my feet it was like they weren't there and i was just walking and didn't know how. It's extremely weird, its like being high and i don't like it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As an adult ADD patient I've been through the chain of meds and Vyvanse is hands down the best.
Way smoother, 100% consistent, longer lasting than Adderall XR ever was.

Concerta never lasted more than 8 hours for me.

Focalin XR/Ritalin LA = nightmare. Crap formulation since you get 2 distinct peaks and watch out when it wears off.

Now, if some company actually had the balls to bring Desoxyn back to the mainstream market. That is supposed to be the best ADHD med ever and zero side-effects.

V

Thats because Desoxyn is straight Methamphetamine.. Side effects: WAY more likely to be abused than any of these other meds.. Desoxyn is basically a way of legally prescribing street drugs.. Im sure you can find someone who will prescribe this to you if every other drug on the market just isnt working..

Correction about the Desoxyn. Desoxyn is NO way near street methamphetamine.

It is only d-Methamphetamine and is no more addictive that regular d-amphetamine (Dexedrine/Vyvanse) or d/l-amphetamine (Adderall). Actually as a medication, Desoxyn is probably the 'cleanest' of all ADD meds and causes the fewest side-effects.

Due to the stigma of street meth, Desoxyn may never again be brought mainstream ever since Abbott quit selling it years ago and pushed it off to Ovation.

V

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correction about the Desoxyn. Desoxyn is NO way near street methamphetamine.

It is only d-Methamphetamine and is no more addictive that regular d-amphetamine (Dexedrine/Vyvanse) or d/l-amphetamine (Adderall). Actually as a medication, Desoxyn is probably the 'cleanest' of all ADD meds and causes the fewest side-effects.

Due to the stigma of street meth, Desoxyn may never again be brought mainstream ever since Abbott quit selling it years ago and pushed it off to Ovation.

V

You are an idiot..ask any drug addict to pick Vyvanse or methamphetamine...you feel they are the same. Go back to the Mcneil threads trolling bitch

Everybody's body is different and everybody's ADHD is different. That's why some people praise other drugs and down others and then another person will say the opposite. The key is finding what works for you. It is also advisable to take a break from the medicine you are on if you feel you need to up the dose. Your body has become tolerant, like with any drug, you will need more to get the same effects. When you take some time off, you can go back, maybe even to a lower dose and have the desired results. Sometimes switching straight from one med to another will not give the true results of that medication because you are detoxing from the one you were just on. To get the real story from a med, you need to detox from your previous one before you start taking the new one. As for feeling scatter brained on Vyvanse after being on a high dosage of Adderall; I would guess it has nothing to do with the Vyvanse and everything to do with withdrawal. I feel like I have the stupids the day after taking Adderall. My brain is just re-adjusting.

NEVER take more than twice the recommended dose and NEVER mix your medications.

I used to get 90 generic ritalin a month and now i get 90 Focalin. I don't at all have ADHD. I never swallow or snort the pills. It's either IV or rectal if my arms are burnt out.

All of the ADHD drugs should come in capsules and have relatively pure powder inside. You guys would save a lot of lives if you stopped fucking around with those tablets...probably half of all of the ADHD meds rx'd are not taken for what someone termed "ADHD" but instead are taken to get high. Most people who get these pills have a slave and some money once a month, or are one themselves.

Again, very few parents actually give these pills to their kids as rx'd. They want to be able to give them no more than 1/4 to maximum 1/2 the rx'd amount and have "effectiveness" at that dosage so that they themselves can catch a buzz.

HAHA, well I'm 20 and I have my family doctor writing me Vyvanse 70mg and I will say that its the shit... Typically if its a day that I'm not working or in class I'll pop one of those babies around 3am after being up all night from the night before and once it starts to kick in around 4am I'll usually take a bong rip or smoke a j and just go for a drive and rock out to some Sirius Satellite Radio... On a more serious note this is the best ADHD drug for school and for recreation... DO NOT consume cocaine while on this drug, that will hurt for awhile... You will honest to god feel like you were in a head on collision in a car at like 80mph for like 2 or 3 days... (Learned that the hard way) Its best if you eat oatmeal for breakfast, a half of a turkey sub from subway for lunch and possibly a lean cuisine for dinner while on this drug... If you eat junkfood like doughnuts or just traditional fat people stoner food you will feel sick like a drug addict and possibly will get bad crashes when the drug wears off... I usually try to be a humanitarian when on the drug but as soon as the days over if your creeping up onto midnight/1am and needing to sleep, just smoke marijuna, it'll feel better than usual and it will knock you right out minus the munchies...

is a 30mg vyvanse the same as a 10mg adderall xr

I have been on 60mg of Adderall for the past 5 years (Yes I know 60mg is a LOT but my immunity kept building). A few days ago I mentioned to my doctor that it was making me feel more irritable than usual, so he suggested I try Vyvanse. I took it for the first time today and I enjoyed it for an hour or so. I got my entire apartment clean, but after that I was exhausted and haven't been able to focus on anything since.

Has anyone had success when switching from adderall to vyvanse?

Bear with me, for this is a long post, but I decided to provide more complete information than a brief sentence or two, which, in my opinion, doesn’t really help. (I know, I’ve been influenced by the opinions provided on some of these message boards.) It appears that the effectiveness of ADD/ADHD medications varies among individuals and the various classifications of ADD/ADHD. Therefore, before commenting on our experiences with different medication, I am starting out with some background.
Two of my sons, ages 7 and 17, and I (49) have been diagnosed with ADHD/Hyperactive-impulsive type, and my 11-year old son diagnosed with ADD –inattentive type (I think that was the classification, but I’m too lazy to go get the doctor’s report from our files.) Both my wife and daughter are “normal”.

My oldest was initially diagnosed when he was 4 years old with ADHD and ODD. He has been prescribed a number of different medicines over the years, ranging from reasonably positive results, no impact, to negative results. We can’t remember all the medicines that were tried. Ritalin was initially prescribed, but he developed a fairly severe tic and had to be stopped. (Today, that is no longer the case and the tic might have been the result of his age.) In addition to medications, we have tried chiropractic therapy (what a waste of time and money) and a special food allergy shots/diet (I’m embarrassed that we let ourselves be influenced by anecdotal evidence rather than scientific evidence. I hope my son isn’t too scarred from that therapy from Dr. Marianne Block.) Since Ritalin was an option early on, various non-stimulant medications were used with minimal impact. However, we were desperate because of severe behavior and academic problems in school and at home. He is very intelligent (VIQ=122, PIQ=113, FSIQ=120), but his grades were mostly C’s and D’s with an occasional B. Strattera seemed to make things worse – I don’t know why.

For the past four years, my 17-year old has taken 72 mg of Concerta with reasonably positive results. His grade improved, mostly A’s and B’s and an occasional C; although, in the past year he flunked a course and got a D in another course. Over the past two years, the Concerta only seems to last between 9 to 10 hours instead of the 12 hours suggested by most literature. Additionally, it takes about 30 to 45 minutes to begin to show any positive effects. As a result, we give it to him at 5:30, waking him just enough for him to swallow the pill with some water and then going back to sleep until the 6:00 AM alarm on school days – he has to be out the door at 7AM. Unfortunately, that means it only lasts until 3:30 at the latest, when school gets out. So by homework time, which is usually 2 to 3 hours worth, it not only isn’t working, but he is mentally exhausted. My wife and I didn’t recognize the problem until he flunked Physics in his sophomore year. Granted, he is going to a private college prep school, and the physics course is college level, but what we thought was laziness turned out to be more.
Anyway, his psychiatrist decided to add metadata on school days, which seems to last about 5 to 6 hours with him, and Ritalin on weekends, because a teenager doesn’t wake up before 9 AM (or is it noon?) unless he has some activity forcing him out of bed earlier. This resulted in better behavior and academic performance.

However, earlier, I said that it was reasonably positive. He still has significant problems with impulse control, peer relationships, and greater than typical teenage/parent relationship problems. The psychiatrist felt that it was a maturity issue and hormones rather than anything else. But, we recently had to have a complete reassessment done, because in order to get extended time for ACT and SAT tests, he had to have an assessment in the past three years, and his was four years old. This was a good thing as we found an excellent psychologist (who actually takes insurance – the good ones usually don’t) that specializes in this particular field. My son went through five hours of testing and assessments over the course of a week, including the Wechsler Adult Intelligent Scale – Revised, Woodcock-Johnson – Revised, Conner’s Attention Deficit Rating Scale, Parent Ratings, Millon Adolescent Personality Inventory, and Psychological Interview. No learning disabilities were indicated, but personality testing and past behavior patterns indicate the possibility of mild depression and/or Oppositional Defiant disorder. The level of analysis and the patient, detailed explanation by the psychologist gave my wife, son and I a much better understanding of all that might be going on.

He recommended that we try Adderall instead of Concerta. He explained that while Concerta is an excellent medication, some research suggests that it might be better for ADD with less impact on impulsive type. Our 11-year old is testament to being great for ADD as he has no problems not effectively treated by Concerta. He said that many researchers think that Adderall may be more of an “omnibus” medication, showing improvement with the ADHD Impulsive type.

After some reluctance, his psychiatrist switched him to Adderall XR 40 mg for the day and Adderall 40 mg for the evening last week. (He said the psychologist was full of it - we may be looking for another psychiatrist soon.) The initial results seem positive, but it is too early to tell. First, the Adderall starts working faster and lasts at least 11 hours. He takes the Adderall (regular) at 4:30 and is able to go to sleep by 10:30 (if we force him to get to bed.) In the past 5 days, he has not used a four-letter word targeting his family (except when the medicine has worn off) and he has not battled us on doing his homework. In fact, one of those days, he actually started on his homework without prompting and with a couple short breaks, he was done in three hours. One night he was making a lot of noise in the kitchen after the younger ones went to bed (he was making a snack), and I asked him to quiet down. Instead of the usual “whatever”, followed by “shut up you jerk”, he responded with, “OK dad, I only have to stir this for another 30 seconds and I’ll be don’t, OK?” I almost fainted. Not everything is perfect, but early results suggest improvement.

My seven year old also went through a similar assessment with the same psychologist, which is how we discovered the doctor, after the school told us that unless something changed, he would not be able to continue to attend (private schools can do that.) The school has been great, but at some point, it becomes a problem when your son throws a chair across the room, bangs his head on the wall, tears up his papers in class, tells his teacher that he is worthless – everyday. The assessment results were very similar to my oldest, and he has been taking 10mg of Adderall for 40 days. Everything is great now. His teacher is ecstatic – no, none, zero behavior problems, he does his work unprompted, and doesn’t need additional direction, and he is happier. Instead of a calendar filled with reds and yellows, we had one red and one yellow in January, and none in February. We think the red was due to an adjustment in dosage as we were trying to figure out what worked best. My son has never tried any other medications, so I can’t say whether methylphenidate type drugs (Concerta, Ritalin) would have the same effect or not. We will have to monitor everything, because we've found that the dramatic change due to the medication can lead you to believing all is perfect. Over time, you get a better feel on the full efficacy of the medications.

My 11-year old son has had great success with 54 mg of Concerta. Weight gain and growth are a concern, but he has been undergoing a growth spurt in the past few months. My oldest had similar concerns, but he grew three inches in the past year. The psychiatrist believes that growth is only delayed, not prevented by stimulants. Loss of appetite has not been a problem with any of the children. Although, this may be from the recommendation from both doctors to have the children eat at least two bites more when they feel full – it seems to stimulate their metabolism over time, and after a while, taking the extra bites isn’t needed.

Dude I am with you on the fact that Vyvanse is the shit. I take 50mg and it works for me. I've taken all the other meds for ADHD and Vyvanse is great for me. I also agree with you about the GONJA, cool. Alright I'm out.
Peace

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAHA, well I'm 20 and I have my family doctor writing me Vyvanse 70mg and I will say that its the shit... Typically if its a day that I'm not working or in class I'll pop one of those babies around 3am after being up all night from the night before and once it starts to kick in around 4am I'll usually take a bong rip or smoke a j and just go for a drive and rock out to some Sirius Satellite Radio... On a more serious note this is the best ADHD drug for school and for recreation... DO NOT consume cocaine while on this drug, that will hurt for awhile... You will honest to god feel like you were in a head on collision in a car at like 80mph for like 2 or 3 days... (Learned that the hard way) Its best if you eat oatmeal for breakfast, a half of a turkey sub from subway for lunch and possibly a lean cuisine for dinner while on this drug... If you eat junkfood like doughnuts or just traditional fat people stoner food you will feel sick like a drug addict and possibly will get bad crashes when the drug wears off... I usually try to be a humanitarian when on the drug but as soon as the days over if your creeping up onto midnight/1am and needing to sleep, just smoke marijuna, it'll feel better than usual and it will knock you right out minus the munchies...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why the fuck would you be getting your psycho-related drugs from a PHYSICIAN, not to mention one who won't listen to you?

Sorry but I just had to butt in.

That is all.

Who do you get yours from...a dealer?

I was diagnosed with ADHD at 23, and am now 37. I have successfully taken Ritalin SR all this time. 20mg twice a day. When Vyvanse came out, I decided to try it. It was a great medicine.

I reacted strongly to some of the side effects. I was constantly dizzy, my blood pressure was very low (65/40 average), and had chronic bowel trouble. These symptoms gave me 3 trips to the ER in one month for "dehydration". Because I have had gastric bypass surgery, I thought the cause was from my diet. Through trial and error, it was determined that it was the Vyvanse.

Unfortunately, I had to stop taking it. I believe my reaction to the side effects is rare and only exacerbated by the gastric surgery. I truly wish I didn't have them.

I tried a month of Focalin XR and didn't like the way it made me feel. Now I am on a self induced detox program and will go back to the Ritalin SR once I'm feeling better.

Good luck to all of you (who truly need it, of course) with Vyvanse. I'm jealous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the data on "abuse" shows that there isn't any. I would suggest continuing to do what you are doing. Nothing wrong with shoving it up your nose. Some studies actually show a positive impact on the nasal membranes and allergies seem to improve (if patients had them). Good luck.

"Misuse or abuse of amphetamine may result in serious (possibly fatal) heart and blood pressure problems. Amphetamine-type medications can be habit-forming. Use only as directed. With prolonged use, drug dependence may occur, and withdrawal symptoms may occur after stopping the drug."
This is from the "DRUG INFORMATION" handout given to you by the pharmacy every time you refill your amphetamine (Adderall, Adderall XR, Vyvanse) prescription. If you cannot function without taking amphetamine nasally, you may be forming an addiction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a pussy!

you are a jack@$$. Have some compassion you sociopath...