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Old 03-21-2007, 09:50 PM
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what are docs saying about their re-energized marketing approach to urine testing?
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:19 AM
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Opinion is that Ameritox is trying far too hard and has become very aggressive (almost to the point of making us Docs uncomfortable).
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:30 PM
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Opinion is that Ameritox is trying far too hard and has become very aggressive (almost to the point of making us Docs uncomfortable).
Not to mention some of the questionable tactics they are using to get accounts. Remember, the office is just as liable as the lab if laws are broken/ignored. I wouldn't want to spend my own $ on legal fees or fines.
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:24 PM
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I've heard the company is pushing their sales force to unreasonable limits. Any thoughts/comments on working for this company?
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:39 PM
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I too, would be interested to hear what experience any of you have had with Ameritox. I was contacted by a recruiter and f2f is tomorrow. My brother is a pain specialist and anasthesiologist, I have asked his opinion on this as well.
Thanks for any info.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: Ameritox

Very good company, moved over here about 5 months ago and spent most of my career at J&J on the pain management side. Very different than pharma, in a good way, and compensation is much better than pharma.
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: Ameritox

Manage by fear and are quick to fire. Very aggressive with Docs and a lot of pressure is put on there reps. Think twice!
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:21 AM
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Thumbs down Re: Ameritox

Miss leads about territory, commissions are not what they promise.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:23 AM
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Miss leads about territory, commissions are not what they promise.
Join the club. This sounds like Phadia.
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Old 03-27-2008, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: Ameritox

Had a F2F yesterday. Claim sales force expansion? I was also wondering how it is to work with the company? Are the they growing the way they say they are? I have been with Big-pharma for a great number of years and I am hoping this is a good move. Do the doctors receive the idea as a benefit or are they afraid of losing their patients? Ameritox post big commissions. Very good compensation package also. Claim managing growth is the issue? Any feedback would be great.

Thanks
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:18 AM
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Good questions...I'm hoping someone responds. I'm interviewing very soon too-what can you tell me about your experience so far?

Thanks for the help!
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: Ameritox

This industry is in an expanding mode. I talked to some managers at AIT labs and they are growing at a fast pace. It is all about cover your ass testing. Dr's don't want to be sued for patients abusing medicine.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:19 PM
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Thumbs down Re: Ameritox

The worst experience I have ever had at a company. I'm not sure if you would call it a growing company or a company that is constantly replacing employees, do to turn over.
A lot of pressure and a lot of empty promises.
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:52 PM
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The person above must not have been making their numbers....for a long time! Ameritox treats its employees with respect and they give you every opportunity to succeed. It is by far the best company I have ever worked for!
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:46 PM
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In most organizations the cream rises to the top; at Ameritox @*&# floats. Was once a decent place to work when the founder was still active in the company. He left and took the heart of the company with him.
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Old 05-20-2008, 10:50 PM
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I'm employed by Ameritox as well and I couldn't be happier. It's a young company that is on the rise and ahead of the curve. Urine screening will be standard for all chronic pain patients. All of the docs that are on board are one step ahead. They love the reports, provided their sales and field ops representatives give the office the attention it needs. Customer service, support from management, professionalism... you name it... Ameritox is where it's at... Like the above poster said - don't be so bitter because you didn't do your job. With an attitude like that, you are probably stuck working as a collector somewhere in middle America... Best of luck to you.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:07 AM
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ameritox is where it's at I seriously laughed out loud when reading that thanks so much! you sound as retarded as BL trust me young one not bitter...I couldn't be happier now that I work for a real company not one owned by Sterling! so good luck to you too
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:59 PM
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I'm employed by Ameritox as well and I couldn't be happier. It's a young company that is on the rise and ahead of the curve. Urine screening will be standard for all chronic pain patients. All of the docs that are on board are one step ahead. They love the reports, provided their sales and field ops representatives give the office the attention it needs. Customer service, support from management, professionalism... you name it... Ameritox is where it's at... Like the above poster said - don't be so bitter because you didn't do your job. With an attitude like that, you are probably stuck working as a collector somewhere in middle America... Best of luck to you.
No, actually I went with a competitor where I am not required to drink Cool-Aide every day. Wow, are you attempting to present to an MD for the first time? Oh by the way, you don't have to sell auto-reminder at lunch tomorrow, the account switched over to my company.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:47 PM
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The absolute worse company you could ever work for. No leadership, turnover rate over 50%, high pressure. I Wouldn't wish this place on my worse enemy!
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:02 AM
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Ameritox does not recognize seasoned sales speciality sales representatives that have built their kingdom and treat employees like children with a ton of new reports over e-mail to be completed intwo days-thus you are at home on your cell phone gathering ridiculous information for their management reports-thus you cannot be interactive with new clients or getting new ones.

The loyal sales representatives that built Ameritox have either moved on, been terminitated b/c of some 30 day performance improvement program, or saw the hand-writing on the wall that their territory had been decreased to nothing with no potential for new accounts based on their opiate sales data from the 1990s and left. Word has it that Milenium, Calloway, AIT, and Dommion are taking accounts right and left from Ameritox and Encelmo won't be able to overcome Sterling's pressure for unachievable goals for each territory. The turnover is HUGE. And thus it should be since Ameritox treats their employee's like depository-slaves.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:07 AM
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Where is everyone getting the information that we are up for sale by Sterling? I would like to see some hard evidence so I can make plans regarding my future.
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Old 05-23-2008, 03:18 PM
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Paranoid Re: Ameritox

What's all this kool-aid business?? What is this Jonestown? Secret kool-aid society? Conquer the pain management testing through this mentality or something?
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:48 PM
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The problem with all of the whiners on this board is that they simply could not cut it in the business. When Ameritox was brand new and there was low hanging fruit all over, even below average performers were able to be successful. When all of the Johnny Come Lately companies came in and muddied the water with all of their lies about Ameritox and our technology, it was easy for them to travel through our already plowed roads. Now that the business is tougher, weak reps were exposed and allowed to come to these posts and be bitter, fired, fools. Not to mention liars due to their disgruntled nature of their departure. Ameritox has doubled the number of terrritories in the company this year. When territories are divided, reps are often exposed that their partner was carrying the entire load. Our business is growing at an unheard of rate in the medical world and those of us who have stayed on through the tough times, put our hand to the plow and have been successful in spite of the challenges are stronger for it. We have a technology that no other lab in the world can match. We have the studies to back it up and more are on the way. Other labs do a fine job, but they don't do anything unique. They are all exactly the same as a pre-employment drug screen, just with a different name on the outside of their lab. Personally, I would never work for a "me too" product since you are left competing on price and if you don't have the best price, you don't win. Selling a commodity sucks. That type of enviornment takes no selling skills at all which is probably a good place for all of the disgruntled whiners on this board. Ameritox is not perfect by any means, but no company is, so there is some room for honest criticism but not bitter lies. If you find a company where I too can be an average or below average rep and make $200K/year, let me know. It doesn't exist. Overall, Ameritox is a great company but again we are not perfect. If you are considering using Ameritox or working for Ameritox, use your own judgement from talking with the company and some existing reps to make your decision. Never take advice from someone who has been fired due to poor performance, you will never get accurate info (about any company). The biggest problem that I see with Ameritox is that our legal counsel keeps us so far away from any appearance of violating Stark Laws and Anti-Kickback laws, that we are sometimes handcuffed against our competitors who routinely cross those lines, but since these are grey areas and not hard lines, they have not been penalized yet. I can assure you that after 2 years with Ameritox, I don't have any plans to go anywhere anytime soon. I am proud to work for Ameritox and can honestly hold my head high and say that I do.
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Old 05-24-2008, 10:13 AM
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The problem with all of the whiners on this board is that they simply could not cut it in the business. When Ameritox was brand new and there was low hanging fruit all over, even below average performers were able to be successful. When all of the Johnny Come Lately companies came in and muddied the water with all of their lies about Ameritox and our technology, it was easy for them to travel through our already plowed roads. Now that the business is tougher, weak reps were exposed and allowed to come to these posts and be bitter, fired, fools. Not to mention liars due to their disgruntled nature of their departure. Ameritox has doubled the number of terrritories in the company this year. When territories are divided, reps are often exposed that their partner was carrying the entire load. Our business is growing at an unheard of rate in the medical world and those of us who have stayed on through the tough times, put our hand to the plow and have been successful in spite of the challenges are stronger for it. We have a technology that no other lab in the world can match. We have the studies to back it up and more are on the way. Other labs do a fine job, but they don't do anything unique. They are all exactly the same as a pre-employment drug screen, just with a different name on the outside of their lab. Personally, I would never work for a "me too" product since you are left competing on price and if you don't have the best price, you don't win. Selling a commodity sucks. That type of enviornment takes no selling skills at all which is probably a good place for all of the disgruntled whiners on this board. Ameritox is not perfect by any means, but no company is, so there is some room for honest criticism but not bitter lies. If you find a company where I too can be an average or below average rep and make $200K/year, let me know. It doesn't exist. Overall, Ameritox is a great company but again we are not perfect. If you are considering using Ameritox or working for Ameritox, use your own judgement from talking with the company and some existing reps to make your decision. Never take advice from someone who has been fired due to poor performance, you will never get accurate info (about any company). The biggest problem that I see with Ameritox is that our legal counsel keeps us so far away from any appearance of violating Stark Laws and Anti-Kickback laws, that we are sometimes handcuffed against our competitors who routinely cross those lines, but since these are grey areas and not hard lines, they have not been penalized yet. I can assure you that after 2 years with Ameritox, I don't have any plans to go anywhere anytime soon. I am proud to work for Ameritox and can honestly hold my head high and say that I do.
"A technology no other lab in the world can match"?

WHO WOULD WANT TO???

Show me the peer reviewed papers from JAMA, NEJM, etc. that back up Rx Guardian. Produce just one single sheet from a search of Pubmed.com. Cough up one tiny sliver of papyrus published from a real study at Mayo, Harvard, UCLA, Johns Hopkins, U of M, Cleveland Clinic, etc.

Just one PEER REVIEWED publication. Put in a link right here. (Not the white papers you paid for!!!)

Your proprietary "technology" is a smoke and mirrors crock of s**t.
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:27 PM
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And your lab offers what? I'll answer here with the truth, not your continued lies and venom. Every lab in the pain managment arena has copied the Ameritox lab report. I wonder why? Is is still because "Who would want to???" You offer no more than a preemployment drug screen...a DOT drug screen..a positive or negative...I will even give you credit that maybe you even do a confirmation. Congratulations! I will even give your lab credit for doing a good job at what they do, they just don't do anything unique or special. Anybody can do ordinary. Some even aspire to average. So congratulations again! However, the fact is I could beat your test every day, sell the drugs, give them away, whatever and get another prescription from a dozen different Drs. using your lab, I couldn't do it on an Ameritox test and you know that is true. So do the Drs. by the way. These are the facts and the truth told without hate or disgust, just unemotional facts. You should try getting your emotions out of the way from your bitterness of not succeeding with or against Ameritox.

Since you are the one making the accusations here, provide to me one shred of evidence that the Ameritox technology doesn't work. You can't. You and everyone else knows it works whether you want to admit it or not. By the way, every study is paid for by the company that does it. Pfizer is not paying for studies on Purdue drugs. How about you, what peer reviewed papers can you provide on the uniqueness of your company? Come on, try your junior high tactics in junior high. I would bet that you have never even done research yourself. I have, I know how it works and who pays for it. I should disclose at this point that when I did research on both pharma and medical devices, the companies with the product paid me for doing the research on their product. How does this fit into your accusations?

Finally, tell me what is so unique about your lab and who do you work for? Are you hiding something? Are you embarrassed? Just throwing out lies and accusations from behind you computer gains you no credibility. And try being honest this time. Your continued lies about Ameritox are known to everyone willing to simply open their eyes and see the truth. So please, do not continue to spew venom out of bitterness and hatred. Why not try to succeed at your newest venture, apparently you weren't able to in your last one. I wish you the best of luck, you are going to need it since your selling skills are obviously lacking. But hey, there are plenty of companies willing to accept average.

PS: I like the 4 letter expletives, they demonstrate your intelligence. Keep 'em coming.
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:56 PM
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Lol Re: Ameritox

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And your lab offers what? I'll answer here with the truth, not your continued lies and venom. Every lab in the pain managment arena has copied the Ameritox lab report. I wonder why? Is is still because "Who would want to???" You offer no more than a preemployment drug screen...a DOT drug screen..a positive or negative...I will even give you credit that maybe you even do a confirmation. Congratulations! I will even give your lab credit for doing a good job at what they do, they just don't do anything unique or special. Anybody can do ordinary. Some even aspire to average. So congratulations again! However, the fact is I could beat your test every day, sell the drugs, give them away, whatever and get another prescription from a dozen different Drs. using your lab, I couldn't do it on an Ameritox test and you know that is true. So do the Drs. by the way. These are the facts and the truth told without hate or disgust, just unemotional facts. You should try getting your emotions out of the way from your bitterness of not succeeding with or against Ameritox.

Since you are the one making the accusations here, provide to me one shred of evidence that the Ameritox technology doesn't work. You can't. You and everyone else knows it works whether you want to admit it or not. By the way, every study is paid for by the company that does it. Pfizer is not paying for studies on Purdue drugs. How about you, what peer reviewed papers can you provide on the uniqueness of your company? Come on, try your junior high tactics in junior high. I would bet that you have never even done research yourself. I have, I know how it works and who pays for it. I should disclose at this point that when I did research on both pharma and medical devices, the companies with the product paid me for doing the research on their product. How does this fit into your accusations?

Finally, tell me what is so unique about your lab and who do you work for? Are you hiding something? Are you embarrassed? Just throwing out lies and accusations from behind you computer gains you no credibility. And try being honest this time. Your continued lies about Ameritox are known to everyone willing to simply open their eyes and see the truth. So please, do not continue to spew venom out of bitterness and hatred. Why not try to succeed at your newest venture, apparently you weren't able to in your last one. I wish you the best of luck, you are going to need it since your selling skills are obviously lacking. But hey, there are plenty of companies willing to accept average.

PS: I like the 4 letter expletives, they demonstrate your intelligence. Keep 'em coming.
Here is the "shred of evidence" excerpted from the linked website below, written by two of the leading pain care physicians in the country, Douglas L. Gourlay, MD, FRCPC, FASAM NS and Howard A. Heit, MD, FACP, FASAM. Perhaps I should also ask Dr. Scott Fishman or Dr. Russell Portnoy to set to paper what they think of this type of "technology" the next time I see one of them.

"Amount of Drug Taken: At this time, there is no scientifically validated relationship between the amount of drug taken and urine drug concentration.
Therefore, a UDT cannot indicate the amount of drug taken, when the last dose was administered, or the source of that drug.1-5 Recently, some laboratories have offered technology to compare a patient’s UDT result to an expected range for a drug—they claim that comparing a normalized test result concentration to the expected range can measure compliance with the prescribed dose (reporting: in range, low, or high).

Although their protocol may calculate a normalized value based on the patient’s height and weight, the specimen’s pH and specific gravity, and prescription dosage, many other factors can influence the absorption, distribution, metabolism, and elimination of a drug. These include genetic polymorphisms (eg, enzyme deficiencies), renal and hepatic function, disease states, body surface area and muscle mass, cardiac output, drug-drug interactions, drug-food interactions, and age.

Therefore, at this time, UDT measurements should not be used to extrapolate backward and make specific determinations regarding dose and compliance with the prescribed drug. Software and laboratory products have not yet been fully validated scientifically and peer reviewed in the medical literature.

Interpreting a UDT beyond the current scientific knowledge may put healthcare professionals and patients at medical and/or legal risk."

Page 15, right hand column, from the link below:

http://www.familydocs.org/files/UDTmonograph.pdf

Would you like more "shreds of evidence" posted on this public blog?

As far as the "venom" and explitives go, read your first paragraph. Please continue to wrap yourself in the smugness of your superiority. It makes my job so much easier when your head is in the sand and it stays there, as you are being kicked in the ass repeatedly...

Next you will have to start on my grammar or my spelling...
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:32 PM
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Here is the "shred of evidence" excerpted from the linked website below, written by two of the leading pain care physicians in the country, Douglas L. Gourlay, MD, FRCPC, FASAM NS and Howard A. Heit, MD, FACP, FASAM. Perhaps I should also ask Dr. Scott Fishman or Dr. Russell Portnoy to set to paper what they think of this type of "technology" the next time I see one of them.

"Amount of Drug Taken: At this time, there is no scientifically validated relationship between the amount of drug taken and urine drug concentration.
Therefore, a UDT cannot indicate the amount of drug taken, when the last dose was administered, or the source of that drug.1-5 Recently, some laboratories have offered technology to compare a patient’s UDT result to an expected range for a drug—they claim that comparing a normalized test result concentration to the expected range can measure compliance with the prescribed dose (reporting: in range, low, or high).

Although their protocol may calculate a normalized value based on the patient’s height and weight, the specimen’s pH and specific gravity, and prescription dosage, many other factors can influence the absorption, distribution, metabolism, and elimination of a drug. These include genetic polymorphisms (eg, enzyme deficiencies), renal and hepatic function, disease states, body surface area and muscle mass, cardiac output, drug-drug interactions, drug-food interactions, and age.

Therefore, at this time, UDT measurements should not be used to extrapolate backward and make specific determinations regarding dose and compliance with the prescribed drug. Software and laboratory products have not yet been fully validated scientifically and peer reviewed in the medical literature.

Interpreting a UDT beyond the current scientific knowledge may put healthcare professionals and patients at medical and/or legal risk."

Page 15, right hand column, from the link below:

http://www.familydocs.org/files/UDTmonograph.pdf

Would you like more "shreds of evidence" posted on this public blog?

As far as the "venom" and explitives go, read your first paragraph. Please continue to wrap yourself in the smugness of your superiority. It makes my job so much easier when your head is in the sand and it stays there, as you are being kicked in the ass repeatedly...

Next you will have to start on my grammar or my spelling...
You misspelled expletive, you moron! I told you: Ameritox is more better!!!
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:46 PM
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And your lab offers what? I'll answer here with the truth, not your continued lies and venom. Every lab in the pain managment arena has copied the Ameritox lab report. I wonder why? Is is still because "Who would want to???" You offer no more than a preemployment drug screen...a DOT drug screen..a positive or negative...I will even give you credit that maybe you even do a confirmation. Congratulations! I will even give your lab credit for doing a good job at what they do, they just don't do anything unique or special. Anybody can do ordinary. Some even aspire to average. So congratulations again! However, the fact is I could beat your test every day, sell the drugs, give them away, whatever and get another prescription from a dozen different Drs. using your lab, I couldn't do it on an Ameritox test and you know that is true. So do the Drs. by the way. These are the facts and the truth told without hate or disgust, just unemotional facts. You should try getting your emotions out of the way from your bitterness of not succeeding with or against Ameritox.

Since you are the one making the accusations here, provide to me one shred of evidence that the Ameritox technology doesn't work. You can't. You and everyone else knows it works whether you want to admit it or not. By the way, every study is paid for by the company that does it. Pfizer is not paying for studies on Purdue drugs. How about you, what peer reviewed papers can you provide on the uniqueness of your company? Come on, try your junior high tactics in junior high. I would bet that you have never even done research yourself. I have, I know how it works and who pays for it. I should disclose at this point that when I did research on both pharma and medical devices, the companies with the product paid me for doing the research on their product. How does this fit into your accusations?

Finally, tell me what is so unique about your lab and who do you work for? Are you hiding something? Are you embarrassed? Just throwing out lies and accusations from behind you computer gains you no credibility. And try being honest this time. Your continued lies about Ameritox are known to everyone willing to simply open their eyes and see the truth. So please, do not continue to spew venom out of bitterness and hatred. Why not try to succeed at your newest venture, apparently you weren't able to in your last one. I wish you the best of luck, you are going to need it since your selling skills are obviously lacking. But hey, there are plenty of companies willing to accept average.

PS: I like the 4 letter expletives, they demonstrate your intelligence. Keep 'em coming.
Nice diatribe for a response. Where is my request for a SINGLE link for support of your science?

The use of s**t is not an expletive, it is a scatological reference, that is correctly and appropriately used to refer to your testing. It reflects not a whit on my intelligence, but rather was used to indicate very strong opinion against the validity of your product!

I refuse to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed adversary. It's not fair to you.

Do you want to
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:50 PM
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Nice diatribe for a response. Where is my request for a SINGLE link for support of your science?

The use of s**t is not an expletive, it is a scatological reference, that is correctly and appropriately used to refer to your testing. It reflects not a whit on my intelligence, but rather was used to indicate very strong opinion against the validity of your product!

I refuse to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed adversary. It's not fair to you.

Do you want to
RESPOND WITH FACTS THIS TIME, OR ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE ME MORE BLOATED PONTIFICATION???
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Old 05-25-2008, 05:40 PM
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While I appreciate all the dialogue - one thing is very true. The Ameritox of old is nothing like the Ameritox of new. Sure the product is good - and yes the competitors have copied the report - why change what is good. Ameritox is its own worst enemy.

Lets face it - the only specialties that will use urine drug monitoring the right way are pain management physicians (PMR, Anesthesia, Neurology and yes some Primary Care physicians). Lets review the cycle: reps are doing great bringing in over 1000 samples per month - then their territory is cut by 60% of the prospects but they are still expected to bring in 800 samples per month - there is something wrong. Especially when what they are left with is Orthos, ER docs and oh lets not forget Primary Care docs. They are set up to fail. It is very disheartening when the older reps know more about the pain management market then the Ameritox leadership.

Also, there is also a strong correlation between being on tier 3 making $3000 at plan - and getting put on a performance review. Unfortunately, there aren't many more tier 3 folks out there. These folks were asked and expected to leverage past relationships to get the business up front - 2 years ago. Now when their isn't much business left to get (except for the specialties who won't do monitoring) these folks aren't needed. Why keep the highest paid reps - when it is easier to hire less experienced folks to maintain the business - who are only paid $1000 at plan. And, lets not forget the 50 emails per week, the 8 reports that are due and oh yes the many many conference calls. All this stress for $1000 at plan. I don't know about you but my time is too valuable to be stressed out about urine collections - it is just a sales job.

Fortunately, for some of these reps the competitors understand the value of relationships and are paying reps what they deserve. The only reason Ameritox is losing business is because they don't understand how to take care of their employees. If they worked with reps, took time to listen to them, to understand the market and to understand the value of their people they wouldn't be in this situation. Lets face it the customers have relationships with people not a company. Everyone should think about what is really important instead of fighting over if the ranges are valid. People are important. Docs could care less about ranges.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:05 AM
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And your lab offers what? I'll answer here with the truth, not your continued lies and venom. Every lab in the pain managment arena has copied the Ameritox lab report. I wonder why? Is is still because "Who would want to???" You offer no more than a preemployment drug screen...a DOT drug screen..a positive or negative...I will even give you credit that maybe you even do a confirmation. Congratulations! I will even give your lab credit for doing a good job at what they do, they just don't do anything unique or special. Anybody can do ordinary. Some even aspire to average. So congratulations again! However, the fact is I could beat your test every day, sell the drugs, give them away, whatever and get another prescription from a dozen different Drs. using your lab, I couldn't do it on an Ameritox test and you know that is true. So do the Drs. by the way. These are the facts and the truth told without hate or disgust, just unemotional facts. You should try getting your emotions out of the way from your bitterness of not succeeding with or against Ameritox.

Since you are the one making the accusations here, provide to me one shred of evidence that the Ameritox technology doesn't work. You can't. You and everyone else knows it works whether you want to admit it or not. By the way, every study is paid for by the company that does it. Pfizer is not paying for studies on Purdue drugs. How about you, what peer reviewed papers can you provide on the uniqueness of your company? Come on, try your junior high tactics in junior high. I would bet that you have never even done research yourself. I have, I know how it works and who pays for it. I should disclose at this point that when I did research on both pharma and medical devices, the companies with the product paid me for doing the research on their product. How does this fit into your accusations?

Finally, tell me what is so unique about your lab and who do you work for? Are you hiding something? Are you embarrassed? Just throwing out lies and accusations from behind you computer gains you no credibility. And try being honest this time. Your continued lies about Ameritox are known to everyone willing to simply open their eyes and see the truth. So please, do not continue to spew venom out of bitterness and hatred. Why not try to succeed at your newest venture, apparently you weren't able to in your last one. I wish you the best of luck, you are going to need it since your selling skills are obviously lacking. But hey, there are plenty of companies willing to accept average.

PS: I like the 4 letter expletives, they demonstrate your intelligence. Keep 'em coming.

You have opened Pandora's box!

Another "shred of evidence", this time from the NATIONAL DRUG COURT INSTITUTE:

"The fact that urine drug concentrations are of little interpretive value will unfortunately come as a surprise to too many drug court professionals. The use of urine drug levels for evaluating patterns of substance abuse is commonplace and has deep roots in the criminal justice system. Court programs have been adjudicating cases based on urine drug
levels for years. That fact does not make the practice any more legitimate.

If the use of urine drug levels cannot be supported scientifically, then the validity of decisions based upon these levels is questionable.

Accordingly, the more often a court utilizes drug test results in a manner that is not scientifically valid, the farther it strays from its evidentiary foundation – thus undermining the forensic defensibility of its decisions."

http://www.ndci.org/publications/NDC...ed_3-28-06.pdf

We are still waiting for one single link to support your "science".

P.s. I did not know a testing report was so powerful!!! We did not copy yours, we asked clinicians what they would like to see presented in what order. You flatter yourself, if you think we copied your report...
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Old 05-27-2008, 07:01 PM
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former Ameritox employee here (definitely not what some of you losers would think couldn't make it I woke up and went with a REAL company!) - and soooo happy to be where I am now with competent people! I agree with the above, people that left but not with some of the ones that stayed, beware......... more than a few are sheep in wolves clothing - I can not even begin......
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:08 PM
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And your lab offers what? I'll answer here with the truth, not your continued lies and venom. Every lab in the pain managment arena has copied the Ameritox lab report. I wonder why? Is is still because "Who would want to???" You offer no more than a preemployment drug screen...a DOT drug screen..a positive or negative...I will even give you credit that maybe you even do a confirmation. Congratulations! I will even give your lab credit for doing a good job at what they do, they just don't do anything unique or special. Anybody can do ordinary. Some even aspire to average. So congratulations again! However, the fact is I could beat your test every day, sell the drugs, give them away, whatever and get another prescription from a dozen different Drs. using your lab, I couldn't do it on an Ameritox test and you know that is true. So do the Drs. by the way. These are the facts and the truth told without hate or disgust, just unemotional facts. You should try getting your emotions out of the way from your bitterness of not succeeding with or against Ameritox.

Since you are the one making the accusations here, provide to me one shred of evidence that the Ameritox technology doesn't work. You can't. You and everyone else knows it works whether you want to admit it or not. By the way, every study is paid for by the company that does it. Pfizer is not paying for studies on Purdue drugs. How about you, what peer reviewed papers can you provide on the uniqueness of your company? Come on, try your junior high tactics in junior high. I would bet that you have never even done research yourself. I have, I know how it works and who pays for it. I should disclose at this point that when I did research on both pharma and medical devices, the companies with the product paid me for doing the research on their product. How does this fit into your accusations?

Finally, tell me what is so unique about your lab and who do you work for? Are you hiding something? Are you embarrassed? Just throwing out lies and accusations from behind you computer gains you no credibility. And try being honest this time. Your continued lies about Ameritox are known to everyone willing to simply open their eyes and see the truth. So please, do not continue to spew venom out of bitterness and hatred. Why not try to succeed at your newest venture, apparently you weren't able to in your last one. I wish you the best of luck, you are going to need it since your selling skills are obviously lacking. But hey, there are plenty of companies willing to accept average.

PS: I like the 4 letter expletives, they demonstrate your intelligence. Keep 'em coming.
Hmmm. I have given you, per your request above, more than "one shred of evidence that the Ameritox technology doesn't work." It's not been proven by peer review. I chatted with the person who originially came up with this concept for you at length, and it was with data collected at a closed population inpatient methadone clinic. From that single study you have created your product, to produce "results" for a broad demographic population.

I have responded "here with the truth, not your continued lies and venom" as you have written above.

I explained the difference between an expletive and a scatological term.

Do you want to know the most interesting thing? Search Ameritox on Google, and this blog comes up in second place to your website. Any person using your lab under the age of 30 will see this, and be curious.

A single [click] on that link will bring them to this blog. Best of luck, you will need it, unless you can produce some real science.
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:38 AM
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The problem with all of the whiners on this board is that they simply could not cut it in the business. When Ameritox was brand new and there was low hanging fruit all over, even below average performers were able to be successful. When all of the Johnny Come Lately companies came in and muddied the water with all of their lies about Ameritox and our technology, it was easy for them to travel through our already plowed roads. Now that the business is tougher, weak reps were exposed and allowed to come to these posts and be bitter, fired, fools. Not to mention liars due to their disgruntled nature of their departure. Ameritox has doubled the number of terrritories in the company this year. When territories are divided, reps are often exposed that their partner was carrying the entire load. Our business is growing at an unheard of rate in the medical world and those of us who have stayed on through the tough times, put our hand to the plow and have been successful in spite of the challenges are stronger for it. We have a technology that no other lab in the world can match. We have the studies to back it up and more are on the way. Other labs do a fine job, but they don't do anything unique. They are all exactly the same as a pre-employment drug screen, just with a different name on the outside of their lab. Personally, I would never work for a "me too" product since you are left competing on price and if you don't have the best price, you don't win. Selling a commodity sucks. That type of enviornment takes no selling skills at all which is probably a good place for all of the disgruntled whiners on this board. Ameritox is not perfect by any means, but no company is, so there is some room for honest criticism but not bitter lies. If you find a company where I too can be an average or below average rep and make $200K/year, let me know. It doesn't exist. Overall, Ameritox is a great company but again we are not perfect. If you are considering using Ameritox or working for Ameritox, use your own judgement from talking with the company and some existing reps to make your decision. Never take advice from someone who has been fired due to poor performance, you will never get accurate info (about any company). The biggest problem that I see with Ameritox is that our legal counsel keeps us so far away from any appearance of violating Stark Laws and Anti-Kickback laws, that we are sometimes handcuffed against our competitors who routinely cross those lines, but since these are grey areas and not hard lines, they have not been penalized yet. I can assure you that after 2 years with Ameritox, I don't have any plans to go anywhere anytime soon. I am proud to work for Ameritox and can honestly hold my head high and say that I do.
WELL SAID. This is the best company I've ever worked for! Great and ethical management team that really cares about how it does business and how it treats its people.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:58 PM
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07/23/2007
Midland-based Ameritox targets prescription abuse, misuse
Colin Guy Staff Writer
Midland Reporter-Telegram
Over the past six years, locally based Ameritox (formerly UTL) has evolved
from a small workplace drug screening company into a rapidly growing
specialist in medical analysis that Chief Executive Officer Ancelmo Lopes
says is helping to tackle one of the nation's biggest healthcare crises.
About two years ago Ameritox abandoned its focus on analyzing urine samples
from prospective employees for illicit substances in order to establish itself as
one of only a handful of companies that screen samples supplied by physicians for
compliance with their orders.
Lopes said the analysis performed by the company produces a report that doctors
can use to determine if their patients are taking the proper amount of a prescribed
substance, such as the powerful painkiller Oxycontin, and whether they are taking
any other medications or illegal narcotics that could interfere with their treatment.
"One of the things we say around here is that Midland has a local company that's
trying to solve a nationwide problem," Lopes said. "It's the whole issue of chronic
pain and narcotic substance abuse."
Lopes said about 50 million Americans suffer from chronic pain and 6.3 million
people abuse medications that are prescribed to treat severe pain, which costs
taxpayers an estimated $8.5 billion a year. The feedback Ameritox provides to its
clients can help reduce costs for taxpayers and can allow doctors to intervene in
instances where drug abuse is strongly suspected, potentially preventing trips to
the emergency room or deaths as a result of overdosing.
"We're able to tell physicians what drugs patients are taking. We run urine through
RxGuardian and can tell if they're compliant or not compliant," Lab Operations
Manager Tobyn Dyer told the Reporter-Telegram. "Non-compliant is you're taking
the medications, but not in the right manner it was prescribed, you're not taking
enough or you're taking too much of it."
Doctors who utilize Ameritox's RxGuardian service send in samples along with a
report dictating what information they want returned in the analysis. Ameritox
staff scan the paperwork into a computer system which then "communicates" with
the analyzers used in the first stage of screening.
"The instrument reads the barcode and the computer system tells which test to run
and it tests for these particular compounds, then uploads the results as they come
up," Dyer said.
This first battery of testing provides staff with an "initial yes or no," Dyer said,
that establishes whether any of the drugs the physician is looking for information
about are present in a patient's system. Samples that return a positive continue on
to a second stage of analysis that uses Fluorescence Polarization Immunoassay
(FPIA) to develop a more detailed profile of the substances in the sample. This
provides a snapshot of the classes of compounds that are present-- such as drugs in
the opiate family-- but does not yet provide a list of what each individual drug is.
Lab workers then proceed to extract individual compounds out of the urine and
use gas chromatography mass spectrometry to identify each specific compound.
Ameritox's proprietary algorithm is then used to determine whether the amount of
a particular substance that a patient has ingested is comparable with the amount
the doctor has prescribed them.
"Other labs give you a number and doctors say 'what does this mean?'," Lopes
said. "With our algorithm doctors can say this is a normal range for that patient.
The benefit to doctors is they are better able to take care of patients."
Lopes said the company has clients in 46 states and expects to expand to markets
throughout the nation by the end of the year. He said a survey conducted by the
company found that 78 percent of doctors feel that patients who have been
proscribed opiates for a long period of time should be monitored and 70 percent of
doctors said they feel all their patients should be monitored. He said 91 to 97
percent of clients have reported satisfaction with RxGuardian and noted that it is
word of mouth from physicians that is the main form of advertising for the
company.
"It's amazing the number of unsolicited testimonials we get and we appreciate
that," he said.
Over the past two years that the company has focused on drug screening for the
medical industry the company has experienced tremendous growth and success,
Lopes indicated. When he came on as CEO, he said there were about 40
employees total. The company now has about 140 employees in Midland and
about 210 total.
"There are lots of labs out there that provide urine drug screening and what folks
at our lab were looking to do was find an area that was in need of attention, where
they could try to create value and there was little or no activity in the chronic pain
area," Lopes said. "We wanted to do something different than anyone else and find
a huge need."
A newspaper article??? What does this mean? Rx Guardian is vindicated?

PEER REVIEWED paper, not NEWS paper...
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:12 AM
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SE Region just had 10 reps of their 16 hit goal.
Quit your bitching and go away!!!!
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:57 AM
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A newspaper article??? What does this mean? Rx Guardian is vindicated?

PEER REVIEWED paper, not NEWS paper...
How funny! It was UDS testing-not what you quoted. And can you furnish a clinical trial which proves the RxGuardian technology is of any scientific valus or substance-The Lifetree data was a poster-you should understand the difference prior to writing this article-thus you are diminished to someone who is clueless in the pain arena and higlight yourself -where are you from-you are just unfamilliar with pain management and you need to re-work your articles-Most Drs are looking for stuff from Harvard, George Washington, etc.

Ameritox does not have those connections or clout!
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:53 AM
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Not necessarily true because in Miami they need 2 extra mid 20ers to manage all the business. Why not just hire two competant excellent reps, pay them what they're worth instead of hiring two extra and pay them a little lower? It doesn't make a ton of sense to me...
"They Need"??? No- the South FL team was #1 in the country for a good portion of last year.
Don't blame the reps competency levels on the fact that they were "assigned associates" b/c the founder of Sterling wanted to place friends.

I know those 2 reps and know they kick ass.
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Old 06-03-2008, 05:01 PM
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A main issue I find with this company is there compensation plan. There is no adjustment to compensation when goal increases are handed out. How can one that is bringing in 1,000 samples a month have an increase of 20% and still be paid the same. An adjustment in goal should be followed by an adjustment in compensation! Raise the 20% on both sides of the scale. On another note, (to borrow from our disgruntled former employee) how can one bringing in 1,000 samples be compensated the same as the rep that is bringing in 200. There is no method behind the madness. I know most our DM's understand this but it usually goes no further than that. Sad. Visit's to CafePharma will soon be followed to visits to medreps.com if this continues.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:06 PM
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A main issue I find with this company is there compensation plan. There is no adjustment to compensation when goal increases are handed out. How can one that is bringing in 1,000 samples a month have an increase of 20% and still be paid the same. An adjustment in goal should be followed by an adjustment in compensation! Raise the 20% on both sides of the scale. On another note, (to borrow from our disgruntled former employee) how can one bringing in 1,000 samples be compensated the same as the rep that is bringing in 200. There is no method behind the madness. I know most our DM's understand this but it usually goes no further than that. Sad. Visit's to CafePharma will soon be followed to visits to medreps.com if this continues.
Are you kidding? Our labs compensation is based on each sample sent in. Double your samples = double your commision. Simple math.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:50 PM
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Believe it or not, not every thread is intented for your purpose. I was making a statement about Ameritox's compensation plan. I don't know, or care, what your compensation plan is. It was intended for the current Ameritox employees...not former.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:56 PM
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Believe it or not, not every thread is intented for your purpose. I was making a statement about Ameritox's compensation plan. I don't know, or care, what your compensation plan is. It was intended for the current Ameritox employees...not former.
Then take your ball and go home. Wah! Wah!!!

That will keep me from posting on a public blog...
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:22 AM
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Believe it or not, not every thread is intented for your purpose. I was making a statement about Ameritox's compensation plan. I don't know, or care, what your compensation plan is. It was intended for the current Ameritox employees...not former.
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oh wow - this was not intended for my purpose? shit, I should have just written this in my diary for my eyes only - go collect your pennies LOSER.......trust me and the other former Ameritox employees who are of value we are so much better off than you. Keep dreaming honey, there is no doubt you're as retarded and dumb as management @ Ameritox, or.......are u management, either way it doesn't matter keep working for Ameritox and I'll keep waking up in the morning loving the fact that I work for a real company. You would have no idea because clearly once you and Ameritox go down you have no where to go since you know nothing about what it takes to be a real sales person with any intelligence as to business. Must suck to be as dumb as you..........
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:25 AM
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Believe it or not, not every thread is intented for your purpose. I was making a statement about Ameritox's compensation plan. I don't know, or care, what your compensation plan is. It was intended for the current Ameritox employees...not former.
never told you what my compensation was, all I know is that yours sucks!!!!!ha ha.......
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:13 AM
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A main issue I find with this company is there compensation plan. There is no adjustment to compensation when goal increases are handed out. How can one that is bringing in 1,000 samples a month have an increase of 20% and still be paid the same. An adjustment in goal should be followed by an adjustment in compensation! Raise the 20% on both sides of the scale. On another note, (to borrow from our disgruntled former employee) how can one bringing in 1,000 samples be compensated the same as the rep that is bringing in 200. There is no method behind the madness. I know most our DM's understand this but it usually goes no further than that. Sad. Visit's to CafePharma will soon be followed to visits to medreps.com if this continues.
This guy is right our plan does suck!! I've been with the company for some time and have been saying this same thing. Maybe the CN/BL love children would like to share some of their compensation from their company with us!!! LMAO!!!
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:51 AM
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Are you kidding? Our labs compensation is based on each sample sent in. Double your samples = double your commision. Simple math.
Your a dumbshit. That is not how the comp plan is based. It's not based on samples sent in. It's based on a quota set by the company/management and samples sent in is irrelavant to your comp. You are not payed based on each sample sent in, that's what other labs pay on! You must be new and haven't figured out how the plan really works. Call you idiot manager and ask how your paid. Keep telling yourself everything is just fine at Ameritox if that makes you sleep better at night. There are way too many posts saying otherwise. Have a clue.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:18 PM
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Your a dumbshit. That is not how the comp plan is based. It's not based on samples sent in. It's based on a quota set by the company/management and samples sent in is irrelavant to your comp. You are not payed based on each sample sent in, that's what other labs pay on! You must be new and haven't figured out how the plan really works. Call you idiot manager and ask how your paid. Keep telling yourself everything is just fine at Ameritox if that makes you sleep better at night. There are way too many posts saying otherwise. Have a clue.
Ummm..... You are obviously the dumbshit.

When I said "our lab" I did not mean Ameritox. I meant our lab, not yours.

Yep, a real dumbshit. Stay there, the outside world would be a challenge for you.
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:03 PM
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The person above must not have been making their numbers....for a long time! Ameritox treats its employees with respect and they give you every opportunity to succeed. It is by far the best company I have ever worked for!
Hey nitwit I work for the company right now, and have seen people let go that were hitting their numbers. Pull your head out of someone’s ass.
Most comments about Ameritox are true unfortunately the company is not what it once ones and you know it's true unless you are a newbie and have been fooled or one of there egomaniac DM's.

Good luck I will be moving on to a real company that treats there employees with respect.
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:32 PM
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Ummm..... You are obviously the dumbshit.

When I said "our lab" I did not mean Ameritox. I meant our lab, not yours.

Yep, a real dumbshit. Stay there, the outside world would be a challenge for you.
Just follow your orders and be a good nazi. Tow the company line! Way to go!
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:48 PM
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SE Region just had 10 reps of their 16 hit goal.
Quit your bitching and go away!!!!
10 of 16 reps hit goal in the lowly southeast......how many of the 10 have a goal of more than 500 samples/month, how about more than 1,000/month? when you have to hit real numbers and not the "newbie numbers" that they're so quick to hand out these days, come back and tell us about it!
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