No more Exubra!

Thoughts...., what will labs reps sale besides lipitor and caduet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts...., what will labs reps sale besides lipitor and caduet?

woops, i meant "sell"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts...., what will labs reps sale besides lipitor and caduet?

Probably there house, expensive watches and jewelry, and their 2nd car. Oh, wait, they'll probably be needing that 2nd car.

Pratt officially ceases to exist in 2010.

CV has had nothing to sell for a few years now. Lipitor? No new business there. Sales will continue to decrease until patent loss. Caduet? Always was and always will be a piece of sh-t product. Only purpose was to screw patients and ins co's out of money. No benefit at all. Get your resumes ready, but in the mean time, dust off your golf clubs, go the the gym, enjoy your time off. You have nothing to do. You can call on docs and have no impact on sales. Or you can go out every day and do something enjoyable with your time. The point is, there is nothing you can do to increase sales in your territories.
BTW, Seattle North rep's, why would you continue to put up with L*E*S*L*I*E*'*S B*A*L*L*S in this setting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CV has had nothing to sell for a few years now. Lipitor? No new business there. Sales will continue to decrease until patent loss. Caduet? Always was and always will be a piece of sh-t product. Only purpose was to screw patients and ins co's out of money. No benefit at all. Get your resumes ready, but in the mean time, dust off your golf clubs, go the the gym, enjoy your time off. You have nothing to do. You can call on docs and have no impact on sales. Or you can go out every day and do something enjoyable with your time. The point is, there is nothing you can do to increase sales in your territories.
BTW, Seattle North rep's, why would you continue to put up with L*E*S*L*I*E*'*S B*A*L*L*S in this setting?

What an idiot you are. Letting go of Exubera is the best decision this company has made in quite some time. Will help Lipitor AND Caduet in a big way. Either you're stupid, don't work for Pfizer or need to NOT be working for Pfizer. Step out of your own pathetic little punk/pussy world and grow a pair because the way you talk, you couldn't sell peaches in Georgia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What an idiot you are. Letting go of Exubera is the best decision this company has made in quite some time. Will help Lipitor AND Caduet in a big way. Either you're stupid, don't work for Pfizer or need to NOT be working for Pfizer. Step out of your own pathetic little punk/pussy world and grow a pair because the way you talk, you couldn't sell peaches in Georgia.

Multiple VPC's. Caduet is shit, jack. No ethical person would sell it. Doctors hate it. Lipitor is done. No growth again, ever. Just a slow withering away of sales till 2011, then nothing. You have no impact on sales. You are a waste of the doctors time. Patient is better off with simva and generic amlod. No doubt about it. No argument to be made. Leave this sh-thole and find a real sales job if you have what it takes.

MD here. Happens to be my off day and usually just here for some entertainment. Pfizer started their quick spiral downward when they started to think that Drs were stupid. They saw right through the greed to sell and promote Caduet. They also blew it getting rid of the reps with relationships with people like me.

Same person posting both messages above. Sounds like a recruiter or a bad apple. Wish they'd both leave. $23 Billion in cash is sitting and waiting. Biotech Specialty in most disease state areas is popping up everywhere. The industry is changing but so are the drugs we take. Doctors can't do it all..see more and more patients to make ends meat because of reimbursement decreases. As drugs become more personalized and complex, there will be a need for pharma. With $23 billion in cash (by most analysts estimates), pfizer will be a player. Pratt or it's successor may look very different 5, 10 years from now but Pfizer will be around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same person posting both messages above. Sounds like a recruiter or a bad apple. Wish they'd both leave. $23 Billion in cash is sitting and waiting. Biotech Specialty in most disease state areas is popping up everywhere. The industry is changing but so are the drugs we take. Doctors can't do it all..see more and more patients to make ends meat because of reimbursement decreases. As drugs become more personalized and complex, there will be a need for pharma. With $23 billion in cash (by most analysts estimates), pfizer will be a player. Pratt or it's successor may look very different 5, 10 years from now but Pfizer will be around.

Yeah because we all know what great investments Pfizer has made in the past with biotech specialty. Nothing like trying to buy your way out of the drought

Since you've forgotten, let review how wisely Pfizer has spent its money in the biotech specialty arena

300 million to license Macugen , that would be $0 in sales
200 million for indiplon , that would be $0 in sales
1.3 billion for Esperion Therapeutics, can't even manufacture enough drug to start a clinical trial
1.3 Billion to buyout Sanofi Aventis' rights to market Exubera and another 800 million to construct a plant in the middle of nowhere for Exubera, oh yeah and a 2.8 billion dollar write off
1.9 billion for Vicuron which gave Pfizer. Zeven and Eraxis. One's not approved and the others not selling
1 billion for torceptrapib for late stage trials alone and guess what 0 sales

Just imagine what blockbusters pfizer's going to buy for 23 billion...
R and D can't develop OR buy drugs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same person posting both messages above. Sounds like a recruiter or a bad apple. Wish they'd both leave. $23 Billion in cash is sitting and waiting. Biotech Specialty in most disease state areas is popping up everywhere. The industry is changing but so are the drugs we take. Doctors can't do it all..see more and more patients to make ends meat because of reimbursement decreases. As drugs become more personalized and complex, there will be a need for pharma. With $23 billion in cash (by most analysts estimates), pfizer will be a player. Pratt or it's successor may look very different 5, 10 years from now but Pfizer will be around.

Not the same two posting. I don't know the other guy. And you're right, up to a point. Pfizer will be here long after we're dead and gone. It's a coorporation. It's the rep that will be gone. After zmax, caduet and exubera, what doctor is ever going to listen to you again? Three strikes and you're out jack. If pfizer comes back to prominence in 5 or 6 years, it won't want you losers around. You are each the victum of bad management decisions. Management will go on, making their high 6-7 figure incomes. You will be(are) cannon fodder. If you stick around this insane asylum, you might as well put a sign on your back saying "pf-ck me again...please!" And they will. And just before they begin their comeback, they'll pfire each one of you and replace you with a new herd of sheep.

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

Well siad and dittos.

Buck up people. Remember "Its always darkest... before you get your ass blown to pieces by the biggest bolt of lightening, burning you to a crisp while your nuts explode and your eyes bug out in total misery". At least you don't work for L*E*S*L*I*E*'*S B*A*L*L*S! That would be so much more painful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

Couldn't have said it better myself...

No more Exuberence?

It is like a breath of fresh air!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

RIGHT ON TARGET!!! Except for the Bill Steer (BS) sentiment.
Remember we got the mgt steer left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

APM is towing line with two prior auth tough access drugs. consider neurontin zocor and celebrex caduet (works same as ppi and nsaid) yet we still showed growth!!!!! Your division (CV?) did no better than ours despite rick b's leadership. cya!!!!

Good God!

I came by Cafe Pharma to visit my old company, Pfizer. You people are crazy for still being here!

I took an enormous dump today and it looked just like Jimmy Durante. I started about 8:30am and didn't finish until about 11:15am. Well, then it was lunchtime. So I had some beef-a-roni and a 7up, which then gave me a bad case of the squirts, so I spent the next 3 hours running in and out of the crapper. Then I ran out of toilet paper and had to use my shirt, so I had to go back to my closet and pick out a new shirt. Then as I'm trying to get out the door and make at least one call today, I had to run back in for an emergency turd, and then the toilet overflowed.

Next thing I know I'm staring at Jimmy Durante's face spinning around on the tile floor in my bathroom.

Weird...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same person posting both messages above. Sounds like a recruiter or a bad apple. Wish they'd both leave. $23 Billion in cash is sitting and waiting. Biotech Specialty in most disease state areas is popping up everywhere. The industry is changing but so are the drugs we take. Doctors can't do it all..see more and more patients to make ends meat because of reimbursement decreases. As drugs become more personalized and complex, there will be a need for pharma. With $23 billion in cash (by most analysts estimates), pfizer will be a player. Pratt or it's successor may look very different 5, 10 years from now but Pfizer will be around.

You will need the 23 billion to settle the lawsuits from the lung damage with Exubra. Why do you think they are pulling it dumbass? They are trying to cut their loses before the public finds out. Hang in there Skippy. And yes Pfizer will be around it will be a divison of GSK, Merck or some other large pharma company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

APM is towing line with two prior auth tough access drugs. consider neurontin zocor and celebrex caduet (works same as ppi and nsaid) yet we still showed growth!!!!! Your division (CV?) did no better than ours despite rick b's leadership. cya!!!!

uh, no you didn't - you failed in endocrinology and primary care - but you are not entirely to blame by any means- marketing and senior management didn't deal you a very good hand to begin with - so don't take it personally skippy - truth is that this product required a dedicated sales force that didn't have any other drugs in their bag - and ya grew it from zero - I could shit in a box and sell it just as effectively

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RIGHT ON TARGET!!! Except for the Bill Steer (BS) sentiment.
Remember we got the mgt steer left.

True dat!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

You are dead wrong here..neither Lilly or Takeda or anyone else could have made this piece of shit a $100m drug...wrong drug, wrong time , wrong delivery system..S/A knew it, do did the developer but hunted for idiots and found one! That drug was doomed but we were grasping for a winner, any winner to replace the lost drugs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are dead wrong here..neither Lilly or Takeda or anyone else could have made this piece of shit a $100m drug...wrong drug, wrong time , wrong delivery system..S/A knew it, do did the developer but hunted for idiots and found one! That drug was doomed but we were grasping for a winner, any winner to replace the lost drugs!

do did da debeloper???? otay buttwheat - let's just start with wrong drug - insulin - hmmm??? are you even in the healthcare industry? Do you know anything about diabetes at all - insulin is the gold standard of care. It is the most effective way to manage diabetes, period. Wrong time??? would 5 p.m. tomarrow be better for you??? Companies have been working on inhaled and transdermal insulin delivery systems since World War II (that took place in the 1940's, Buttwheat). Wrong delivery system??? I dunno - there are needles (pens and pigstickers) and there was Exubera - that's pretty much it, unless you have perfected your rectal delivery system (which will be the intellectual property of Pfizer, your employer). Truth is, this drug only failed because the company is full of people who can't sell (like you) and you actually had to sell this product. Mainly, however, it failed because there was never any consistency in its promotion. You are stupid and.... dead wrong.

Hi,

I'm a doctor in private practice, and while the idea of an insulin without a needle is a great idea, Exubra's delivery system wasn't ready for prime time - not even close. We don't have ONE SINGLE DIABETIC in our practice we can use this for - any who would be close either have asthma or smoke. The "buttwheat" comments and related other BS is uncalled for. If this drug came out 10 years ago, it might have been a hit, but with insulin pens and 30 gauge needles, and the new insulin analogs, they didn't stand a chance with this one.

Yeah, they've been looking for alternatives to injecting insulin now since 1940, and someday they'll come up with one.. but this sure as hell wasn't it.


V. Meyer, MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi,

I'm a doctor in private practice, and while the idea of an insulin without a needle is a great idea, Exubra's delivery system wasn't ready for prime time - not even close. We don't have ONE SINGLE DIABETIC in our practice we can use this for - any who would be close either have asthma or smoke. The "buttwheat" comments and related other BS is uncalled for. If this drug came out 10 years ago, it might have been a hit, but with insulin pens and 30 gauge needles, and the new insulin analogs, they didn't stand a chance with this one.

Yeah, they've been looking for alternatives to injecting insulin now since 1940, and someday they'll come up with one.. but this sure as hell wasn't it.


V. Meyer, MD

Anything that messes with one's ability to breathe, however faintly, triggers fear in human beings. That is one strike against Exubera that wouldn't go away. Anyone who has had asthma has felt what it means to lose even a portion of one's breathing capacity. The pain of injections or finger sticks is no fun, but it is temporary, if recurring each time, whereas a "slight" loss in lung capacity is with the patient 24/7.

Pfizer said that the lost lung capacity returned after Exubera was discontinued, but that was for a short-term exposure to Exubera; the effects of long-term exposure were uncertain, and who trusts what a big drug company claims anymore, anyway?

Thank you, Dr. Meyer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

Standing applause from OHIO!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Standing applause from OHIO!

I am in OHIO and I hope you are not applauding Exhubera in any way. Lilly, Takeda and Novo would not have touched that product in its current form. There was NO upside and it was not appropriate for anyone trying to achieve any control. At this time, there is no inhaled insulin that has any consistent control. This product was inconvenient, costly and ineffective. It should never have gone to market and the shareholders of Pfizer should take a good look at those responsible for the decision to purchase this product.

twins

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am in OHIO and I hope you are not applauding Exhubera in any way. Lilly, Takeda and Novo would not have touched that product in its current form. There was NO upside and it was not appropriate for anyone trying to achieve any control. At this time, there is no inhaled insulin that has any consistent control. This product was inconvenient, costly and ineffective. It should never have gone to market and the shareholders of Pfizer should take a good look at those responsible for the decision to purchase this product.

TOTALLY agree!!! When you are looking for a reduction in force ANYWAY, start with the idiots who have failed in the past. Please be sure to include ALL of the sales VP-level idiots as well. The entire VP level of sales should be replaced or eliminated. They serve no purpose. NONE! Eliminate them tomorrow and business would go on fine. Trust me, I know all of them and what they contribute. Believe me, READING a speech from a teleprompter that was written by someone else IS NOT a leadership skill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am in OHIO and I hope you are not applauding Exhubera in any way. Lilly, Takeda and Novo would not have touched that product in its current form. There was NO upside and it was not appropriate for anyone trying to achieve any control. At this time, there is no inhaled insulin that has any consistent control. This product was inconvenient, costly and ineffective. It should never have gone to market and the shareholders of Pfizer should take a good look at those responsible for the decision to purchase this product.

I actually wrote the rant that the first OHIO person responded to. I agree and disagree with you. This product should not have gone to market the way it did. We definitely should have had a better, more complete launch, we should have reduced the size of the inhaler (word was that a smaller inhaler was already being prototyped), and should have done a lot of physician education and DTC before it came out. The decision to buy the marketing rights from Sanofi has to be one of the absolute boners of all time. MBA students will write papers on this. This was definetely a good drug for co-promotion - nobody really knew how this was gonna be received - we should've shared the risk with someone. I do disagree with you on a couple of points. First, the product does work - I had a handful of docs that used quite a bit of it with no failures and good results. The drug was not the problem - it was the decisions made around its marketing that caused its demise. Novo has an inhaled insulin coming out in the next couple of years - it will be interesting to see if it is all that different. You make a really good point - Pfizer needs to take a very good look at some of the people that were involved in this debacle. Peace

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hi,

I'm a doctor in private practice, and while the idea of an insulin without a needle is a great idea, Exubra's delivery system wasn't ready for prime time - not even close. We don't have ONE SINGLE DIABETIC in our practice we can use this for - any who would be close either have asthma or smoke. The "buttwheat" comments and related other BS is uncalled for. If this drug came out 10 years ago, it might have been a hit, but with insulin pens and 30 gauge needles, and the new insulin analogs, they didn't stand a chance with this one.

Yeah, they've been looking for alternatives to injecting insulin now since 1940, and someday they'll come up with one.. but this sure as hell wasn't it.


V. Meyer, MD

Well, Dr. Vagimeyer, maybe all of your patients smoke because you suck at preventative medicine and have no relationship with them. Maybe Exubera had some bugs and we should have waited, but the fact that you couldn't find any patients simply shows that you are a closed-minded skeptic that takes a path of least resistance approach to his craft. Unfortunately, that "craft" is medicine, so peoples' lives are on the line. Doctor, it is a poor musician that blames his instrument- Exubera could have worked (and did for many of the doctors I call on) had you actually tried to use it. Maybe you should open your mind - we've got this neato product called Chantix that might solve the smoking epidemic in your practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

Jimmy Carter was the best thing happened to America. The greed of sales reps like you and McKinnell are the cause of many failures at Pfizer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOTALLY agree!!! When you are looking for a reduction in force ANYWAY, start with the idiots who have failed in the past. Please be sure to include ALL of the sales VP-level idiots as well. The entire VP level of sales should be replaced or eliminated. They serve no purpose. NONE! Eliminate them tomorrow and business would go on fine. Trust me, I know all of them and what they contribute. Believe me, READING a speech from a teleprompter that was written by someone else IS NOT a leadership skill.

What about RM's? They are secretaries with secretaries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jimmy Carter was the best thing happened to America. The greed of sales reps like you and McKinnell are the cause of many failures at Pfizer.

How am I greedy? I was simply stating that we wasted a lot of money on this and made some really bad decisions. Take it easy, democrat. Jimmy Carter truly sucked as a leader (remember just how bad he got his ass kicked in the 1980 election by Reagan- most Americans agreed on both sides of the aisle). It is only too bad that George Bush sucks so much that people are actually becoming nostalgic about the Carter era. I really never thought I would live to see that. I do agree that McKinnell was an absolute bum and what he got paid to lose his job was an abomination, but leave me out of it. You hurt my feelings - I thought democrats were sensitive. You would probably be nicer to me if I were in the country illegally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, Dr. Vagimeyer, maybe all of your patients smoke because you suck at preventative medicine and have no relationship with them. Maybe Exubera had some bugs and we should have waited, but the fact that you couldn't find any patients simply shows that you are a closed-minded skeptic that takes a path of least resistance approach to his craft. Unfortunately, that "craft" is medicine, so peoples' lives are on the line. Doctor, it is a poor musician that blames his instrument- Exubera could have worked (and did for many of the doctors I call on) had you actually tried to use it. Maybe you should open your mind - we've got this neato product called Chantix that might solve the smoking epidemic in your practice.

Man, are you for real? I generally like good salesmen but you show such a total lack of understanding of the practice of medicine that you need to be in a different industry. As if we can just wave a magic wand and get our patients to stop smoking, over-eating, sitting on their butts watching television, or drinking. "Chantix." Oh yeah. That's rich. It's going to be about as effective as nicorette gum...uselful in patients who really want to quit but in those who don't, not so much. Talk about blaming others for your shortcomings.

P. Bear, MD

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the worst thing I have seen in 15 years - OUR NEW OFFICIAL POSITION IS SURRENDER - Jeff Kindler - you are the Jimmy Carter of corporate America - no better way to convey confidence than to give up - This drug had no chance from day 1 - the launch was an absolute joke - a standard by which all other companies should not launch drugs - partial targeting, limited supplies, selective call cycles. Then we tell the inept APN division that they are losing the drug months before they actually do - so what do they do?? Big shocker --- they put it away for months - never talk about it, blow off contractual obligations to major targets who went to speaker training and were expecting to do talks -- and then.... my favorite - we hot potatoe the drug to the division that is carrying our flagship 10billion dollar product on the eve of managed care annihilation - and fly thousands of reps to Arrowwood to be fed and lodged for days so they could watch a video conference that could have been done in a webcast at the cost of millions of dollars - we then get 6 months to raise this drug from the dead. And just when we getting some momentum -- pull the plug - I am embarrassed beyond words - never thought I would live to see the day that the House That Steere Built would run from a challenge that was only a challenge because of the mistakes that we made. Lilly or Tekada would have made this a billion dollar drug - we don't remember how to do that anymore

you sound like an idiot caught in time. the brand was bad for business. take your arrogant pride and go in a corner. you old fart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I actually wrote the rant that the first OHIO person responded to. I agree and disagree with you. This product should not have gone to market the way it did. We definitely should have had a better, more complete launch, we should have reduced the size of the inhaler (word was that a smaller inhaler was already being prototyped), and should have done a lot of physician education and DTC before it came out. The decision to buy the marketing rights from Sanofi has to be one of the absolute boners of all time. MBA students will write papers on this. This was definetely a good drug for co-promotion - nobody really knew how this was gonna be received - we should've shared the risk with someone. I do disagree with you on a couple of points. First, the product does work - I had a handful of docs that used quite a bit of it with no failures and good results. The drug was not the problem - it was the decisions made around its marketing that caused its demise. Novo has an inhaled insulin coming out in the next couple of years - it will be interesting to see if it is all that different. You make a really good point - Pfizer needs to take a very good look at some of the people that were involved in this debacle. Peace

This is NOT a good drug, period. I would like to know how YOU measure good control. I guess we need to start there before I can continue....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, Dr. Vagimeyer, maybe all of your patients smoke because you suck at preventative medicine and have no relationship with them. Maybe Exubera had some bugs and we should have waited, but the fact that you couldn't find any patients simply shows that you are a closed-minded skeptic that takes a path of least resistance approach to his craft. Unfortunately, that "craft" is medicine, so peoples' lives are on the line. Doctor, it is a poor musician that blames his instrument- Exubera could have worked (and did for many of the doctors I call on) had you actually tried to use it. Maybe you should open your mind - we've got this neato product called Chantix that might solve the smoking epidemic in your practice.

It is really ironic that you speak to the doctor this way. If you are truley concerned about peoples' lives being on the line, you would know that Exhubera can never achieve the clinical results that MDI therapy can achieve. Any doctor using Exhubera is taking the lazy man's route and is definitely not treating with the best outcome in mind. NO Type 1 patient should be on Exhubera for their coverage. And Type 2 patients who are failing on orals (and that will be all at some point) should be on injectable insulin to achieve the best control. It is the BEST control we are after is it not?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you sound like an idiot caught in time. the brand was bad for business. take your arrogant pride and go in a corner. you old fart.

I would like to apologize for the inmaturity of the "kid" who believes insulting someone is showing his/her brillance. The ("go in a corner") is especially great! That one took alot of thought... Of course I'm sure that my statement will be responded too with another mature comeback.

Love ya Vinny! I think that's who this Doc is, posting above. I don't work for Pfizer anymore. See you this week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOTALLY agree!!! When you are looking for a reduction in force ANYWAY, start with the idiots who have failed in the past. Please be sure to include ALL of the sales VP-level idiots as well. The entire VP level of sales should be replaced or eliminated. They serve no purpose. NONE! Eliminate them tomorrow and business would go on fine. Trust me, I know all of them and what they contribute. Believe me, READING a speech from a teleprompter that was written by someone else IS NOT a leadership skill.

Totally agree.

bitch bitch bitch, moan groan...waaaahhhhhh,,,,we'll congratulation FUCKFACES! you don't have to sell your SHITTY Exubera anymore!!!!


Nowyou can cry and bitch about something else. You finally managed to see this piece of shit taken off the Pfucked up Pfizer Menu.
I applaud all of you Limp Dicks at Pfizer. Your bad attitude and who gives a shit philosophy is exactly what I love to see. We at Lilly love watching you eat your Young...

Keep up the GREAT job DUMBASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think I'll go roll in my bonus for a while.

Losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

bitch bitch bitch, moan groan...waaaahhhhhh,,,,we'll congratulation FUCKFACES! you don't have to sell your SHITTY Exubera anymore!!!!


Nowyou can cry and bitch about something else. You finally managed to see this piece of shit taken off the Pfucked up Pfizer Menu.
I applaud all of you Limp Dicks at Pfizer. Your bad attitude and who gives a shit philosophy is exactly what I love to see. We at Lilly love watching you eat your Young...

Keep up the GREAT job DUMBASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think I'll go roll in my bonus for a while.

Losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How would you know if our dicks are limp.........hmmmmm?

Sanofi home office here.....thanks for the $1.3 billion that you paid us to unload that dog Exubra. We already knew it was in for deep problems, that's why we sold it off to the first sucker who would step up to the plate. Thanks to you, I'm looking at a SWEET bonus at the end of this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You will need the 23 billion to settle the lawsuits from the lung damage with Exubra. Why do you think they are pulling it dumbass? They are trying to cut their loses before the public finds out. Hang in there Skippy. And yes Pfizer will be around it will be a divison of GSK, Merck or some other large pharma company.

How can anyone prove lung damage? Isnt co protected if ae in PI ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sanofi home office here.....thanks for the $1.3 billion that you paid us to unload that dog Exubra. We already knew it was in for deep problems, that's why we sold it off to the first sucker who would step up to the plate. Thanks to you, I'm looking at a SWEET bonus at the end of this year.

Your welcome!

Now that it is final, What will Pfizer do with the site that made Exubera?

I can only assume the site will be closed soon but what do you all think will happen next?

Nektar took a beating on this one to have it thrown in their lap. Do you think they will take over the site and press on with this?

I worked out at Terre Haute and I know there are pieces of machinery that have not been delivered yet but are/were in transit.

Think they will just moth ball the whole project?

This product was used by a diabetic of 47 years and while they were using this product, their bloodwork showed a HUGE improvement!
Of all the people that has "bashed" this product, no one said whether they actually used the product or just voicing their shallow opinions.

People who were put on Exubera and who posted to the various diabetics forums seemed to like it. example - http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/01/...up_with_a.html

Unfortunately, a lot of people in the same forums wouldn't even try it. Even worse doctors, were getting mixed messages about it. At least one doctor said he wouldn't prescribe it because of the "cancer risk". Others said that "My doc has told me I need to have a needle phobia to start exubera and see a psychiatrist to confirm this." - http://diabetes.blog.com/1151041/

One user who said that "It is the greatest product I have run across since becoming a Type I diabetic in 1983." Also wrote an interesting article on how Pfizer messed up the marketing - http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007...fizer-inc.html

Decreased lung function was also one of the stumbling blocks but the 8-year study found that there was little difference in lung function between the contol group and those on Exubera - http://www.newsgaze.com/18%20Exubera.html

I'm sure inhaled insulin is coming but not now by Pfizer.

As for the TH plant who knows? Perhaps they'll close Aseptic now too and end their 60-year association with the city.