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  #1  
Old 06-06-2008, 10:14 AM
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Default Medreps.com

Is this medreps.com worth the $30 for a year membership or is it a joke like most of these types of services?
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:54 PM
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50% aren't even legit jobs, 50% of the recruiters don't understand the position enough to identify qualified candidates, 50% aren't even associated with the hiring company and hope to luck up on someone and put them in regardless, 50% exaggerate the qualifications for the job so that they get the cream of the crop (i.e. it doesn't match what the companies website job description), 90% don't respond to your application, 30% send back "canned" emails stating the company hired from within ( I called him on it and he said I didn't meet the requirements and didn't want to hurt my feelings!!!)

So what are the adv? You see a posting for a position with the company name, you contact a friend in the company and you put your resume in thru them.

Any more questions?
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:49 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

They have a lot of postings, but I have never got a single response from one posting. I have 15+ years in the industry, top 5% company and leader among my peers with many awards, My previous manager tried too, never had any luck. So I am not sure if worth the money?
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:54 AM
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They have a lot of postings, but I have never got a single response from one posting. I have 15+ years in the industry, top 5% company and leader among my peers with many awards, My previous manager tried too, never had any luck. So I am not sure if worth the money?
Thanks. Thats good to know.

Are there any services that you would recomend?
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:19 AM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

The more publicly accessible any job postings are, you can bet that there will be more of your competition looking at the same openings. This is why the response rate could be lower than expected.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:13 PM
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Does anyone actually have a phone number for medreps? I have been trying to get someone there to reach out to me to let me know for sure if they have posted my new resume. How are you supposed to do that?
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:54 AM
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Is this medreps.com worth the $30 for a year membership or is it a joke like most of these types of services?
I have to disagree - yes most do not get back to you - but I have had a number of interviews from postings and landed a job off of there. For the price there is a decent return since they do have many quality listings you cannot find and the more the better. None of them are great, butI cannot think of a better one.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

rip off..
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:06 PM
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yes.
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

I really liked it when I was searching. Also try medzilla.com
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

There are a lot of postings, but not sure if they are real. I have applied for A LOT of jobs on their web site and have not had one single response! I have 18 years in the industry, am in the top 10%, won all the awards and taken on many leadership roles. I feel I am VERY qualified for the majority of the positions I have applied for. I have been applying for almost a year!

I also know of anther person who was a Manager and has may years of experience and has had the same experience. We have wondered do these jobs really exist. There goal may be just to collect fees to join.
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Old 08-17-2008, 03:17 AM
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It is hard to figure out all the repeat jobs posted on Medreps.com but it does work. I received some call backs from it.

I just found a new board that is free for candidates that just started up, not a ton of jobs on it yet...but a few really good ones and it appears they have signed up some of the better recruiters...or ones that have been around for a while. If you want free, try www.medrepcareers.com

Also I like Medzilla...but a lot of pharma on that one, so if you want pharma...go there. I do feel like we are all getting nickle and dimed on these boards! The $30 bucks here and there do add up.

Hope that helps.
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

worked for adp for 4 years, submitted my resume for 2 dozen postings and got 12 calls, 5 interviews and 3 offers. Medreps is worth the $30 bucks imho
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:43 PM
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Yes, same good experience. If you fit the Job Requirement criteria and you have a solid work history with sales performance you will get called. Really like that free site that was mentioned medrepcareers.com but I am with you, what's a few bucks to join the others too if you are looking to get a better job and make more money...it pays for itself many times over!!!!!

Signed,
Been on all of them
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:47 AM
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It is hard to figure out all the repeat jobs posted on Medreps.com but it does work. I received some call backs from it.

I just found a new board that is free for candidates that just started up, not a ton of jobs on it yet...but a few really good ones and it appears they have signed up some of the better recruiters...or ones that have been around for a while. If you want free, try www.medrepcareers.com

Also I like Medzilla...but a lot of pharma on that one, so if you want pharma...go there. I do feel like we are all getting nickle and dimed on these boards! The $30 bucks here and there do add up.

Hope that helps.

If you like Medzilla, try Thumbzilla.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:30 PM
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worked for adp for 4 years, submitted my resume for 2 dozen postings and got 12 calls, 5 interviews and 3 offers. Medreps is worth the $30 bucks imho
didn't have that many callbacks but pharma reps are looekd down upon on there because they are mostly medical device jobs... i got 3 calls out of about 20 inquiries... have an interview setup for a major spine company, but i only have 2 years in pharma and 6 at enterprise... the postings are real and the 30$ is worth it.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:47 PM
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If you like Medzilla, try Thumbzilla.
I hardly see the link between a thumbnail porn gallery and a job board.
Worthless posting.

Something more valuable;
You can pay $30 to MedReps to apply to their jobs that (some) aren't even real, or you can post on other sites like MedZilla.com who don't charge anything. After talking with them (yes, on the phone), I found out they review every job before it can be applied to. Even though I didn't accept the offer (relocate? not at my age...), I did get a response to just about every application.

That's my 2c.
Good luck guys.
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Old 09-21-2008, 08:51 AM
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I hardly see the link between a thumbnail porn gallery and a job board.
Worthless posting.

Something more valuable;
You can pay $30 to MedReps to apply to their jobs that (some) aren't even real, or you can post on other sites like MedZilla.com who don't charge anything. After talking with them (yes, on the phone), I found out they review every job before it can be applied to. Even though I didn't accept the offer (relocate? not at my age...), I did get a response to just about every application.

That's my 2c.
Good luck guys.
It's not my fault you're a gayy fagg. Pussie.
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Old 09-25-2008, 02:02 PM
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I don't think medreps is worth the money. Any service that charges the job seeker sucks. They are getting money from both ends. That would be like a recruiter charging the client 20% then saying to the candidate ok now pay me too.. f that..
I have found some really good sales jobs on http://www.b2breps.net They have a ton of sales jobs in b2b sales, pharma and medical. They also have company forums for all the major b2b companies like ADP, Enterprise, Ikon, Ricoh, Cintas, Paychex, Pitney Bowes, Yellow Book etc...
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

medreps is good but not for pharma.
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

medreps is a scam
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

any candidate that pays anyone to find a job is a sucker. They get payed to find you
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

What about HealthCareReps.com? Has anyone landed jobs or responses from this site?
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:19 PM
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I have been a user of Medreps and got a few calls from recruiters. I personally feel that if you are out of work or looking to make a change- then any form of networking (including this MB) is OK- one watch out on Medreps- if you are in a position with a company and don't want your resume flying around the web. better to stay away services like Medreps.
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:16 AM
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my advice would be to stay away from any site that charges the job seeker.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:37 PM
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healthcarereps.com is decent. Its 30 for the year.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:59 AM
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Yes, the word is FREE ....www.medrepcareers.com only one that I know of that is free and has the most medical sales jobs due to all the medical sales jobs feeding from everywhere into it off the web every day; plus recruiter postings. Tons of new Job Boards in medical sales now and even the old ones like MedReps and The Ladders increasing their fees trying to take advantage of all the unemployment.
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:05 PM
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Yes, the word is FREE ....www.medrepcareers.com only one that I know of that is free and has the most medical sales jobs due to all the medical sales jobs feeding from everywhere into it off the web every day; plus recruiter postings. Tons of new Job Boards in medical sales now and even the old ones like MedReps and The Ladders increasing their fees trying to take advantage of all the unemployment.
You are right~! Great site, free and love the funny Medical Sales Life You Tube they have up there today on their front page! www.medrepcareers.com . Has anyone else used them? I see there is that Twitter thing on there...anyone else using Twitter?

Also if you had to pay for just one Job Board on top of this Free One...which one would you choose..Ladders, MedReps, ????
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:09 PM
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You are right~! Great site, free and love the funny Medical Sales Life You Tube they have up there today on their front page! www.medrepcareers.com . Has anyone else used them? I see there is that Twitter thing on there...anyone else using Twitter?

Also if you had to pay for just one Job Board on top of this Free One...which one would you choose..Ladders, MedReps, ????
this is the best site out there! The jobs are real, the recruiters who place jobs are real and there are just so many of them out there I can't believe it. Plus, it's FREE. The person who wrote my resume told me about it. Not only did she steer me to the site, she is also getting me intouch with the recruiters so I don't get lost in the avalanche of resumes. I love this site!
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:11 PM
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this is the best site out there! The jobs are real, the recruiters who place jobs are real and there are just so many of them out there I can't believe it. Plus, it's FREE. The person who wrote my resume told me about it. Not only did she steer me to the site, she is also getting me intouch with the recruiters so I don't get lost in the avalanche of resumes. I love this site!

Hey, hey I LOVE Charles the Pharma Rep. You Tube on their website...HOW FUNNY! Lot of jobs too..thanks
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Old 03-27-2009, 01:18 AM
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Hey, hey I LOVE Charles the Pharma Rep. You Tube on their website...HOW FUNNY! Lot of jobs too..thanks

Hey, love Charles Charles the pharma rep. I see Medrepcareers has a new one on him; "the call". I hate to say it, but I have done worse than Charles Charles on my weekly sales call report.....what a hoot. You are right, I do love the free and all those jobs.

Did you like your resume writing service, would you give up their name if you liked them. Always good to have.

New Charles, Charles Fan and www.medrepcareers.com too! Now that's a call!!
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:29 AM
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I have used medreps.com with success.
If you get the in person interview use the 30/60/90 day sales plan to get the job.
http://30-60-90-day-sales-plan.com/
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:23 AM
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Heres the REAL deal. I don't work for any of these websites and certainly not medreps, as I suspect a good deal of the above posters do. I am successful in getting employed and you can take this info to the bank. Been in this business 8 yrs and counting, plus many yrs of accomplished work in another field, so not bragging, just letting you know I"ve walked the talk.

O.k....You should'nt ever have to pay crap, they should pay you, if you are any good. Thats it, over and done with. I have NEVER paid to get a job, o.k. The one time I was an ass clown and desperate, I paid $19.95 for a list of mystery shopper positions and guess what, there were none where I live and further the website didn't work and no one, no one ever responded to my complaints. Lesson learned and that was off careerbuilder, so go figure and they never did anything about it either. I complained to them and they never wrote back. Learn from my mistake.

These are the only sites you need to know about, so get your pencils ready, job seekers.
simplyhired.com, monster.com, careerbuilder.com, hotjobs.com, medzilla.com, and b2bwhatever, its listed above in someone elses posts. Forget the recruiters, they can really screw you and will, if they have a candidates resume that appeals more to the hiring personnel, they will push it, even if you are the better candidate, why? because they want the commission. Some are just dirtball and they may start out nice, but they get ugly and then they will never call you again when you call them on their skanky ways.
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:07 PM
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Heres the REAL deal. I don't work for any of these websites and certainly not medreps, as I suspect a good deal of the above posters do. I am successful in getting employed and you can take this info to the bank. Been in this business 8 yrs and counting, plus many yrs of accomplished work in another field, so not bragging, just letting you know I"ve walked the talk.

O.k....You should'nt ever have to pay crap, they should pay you, if you are any good. Thats it, over and done with. I have NEVER paid to get a job, o.k. The one time I was an ass clown and desperate, I paid $19.95 for a list of mystery shopper positions and guess what, there were none where I live and further the website didn't work and no one, no one ever responded to my complaints. Lesson learned and that was off careerbuilder, so go figure and they never did anything about it either. I complained to them and they never wrote back. Learn from my mistake.

These are the only sites you need to know about, so get your pencils ready, job seekers.
simplyhired.com, monster.com, careerbuilder.com, hotjobs.com, medzilla.com, and b2bwhatever, its listed above in someone elses posts. Forget the recruiters, they can really screw you and will, if they have a candidates resume that appeals more to the hiring personnel, they will push it, even if you are the better candidate, why? because they want the commission. Some are just dirtball and they may start out nice, but they get ugly and then they will never call you again when you call them on their skanky ways.

I should have listened to this poster. I just wasted 30 bucks and found nothing of any value including:

multiple posts to the same job
yahoo and gmail addresses for recruiters
misspelled words in the job descriptions
very little information on who or what you are actually sending your resume to

To all those trying to find a new job, good luck. Just stay away from medreps.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:26 AM
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I should have listened to this poster. I just wasted 30 bucks and found nothing of any value including:

multiple posts to the same job
yahoo and gmail addresses for recruiters
misspelled words in the job descriptions
very little information on who or what you are actually sending your resume to

To all those trying to find a new job, good luck. Just stay away from medreps.

Oh my, now you know why most companies are only looking for the top 10% of sales people: they normally have an upbeat, "can do" attitude and the top sales to prove it! Look at these last two posts, boo hoo...can't doooooooooo! Yep, you guys stay away from the job boards....a lot of crap clogs the works on the job boards making it difficult for recruiters to find us good one's: plunger needed!
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:13 AM
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I can't say from a candidate's point of view. But I can tell you that we post our jobs there and have placed many candidates from those listings. I think it is much better than many of the others.
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:57 AM
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There are a lot of postings, but not sure if they are real. I have applied for A LOT of jobs on their web site and have not had one single response! I have 18 years in the industry, am in the top 10%, won all the awards and taken on many leadership roles. I feel I am VERY qualified for the majority of the positions I have applied for. I have been applying for almost a year!

I also know of anther person who was a Manager and has may years of experience and has had the same experience. We have wondered do these jobs really exist. There goal may be just to collect fees to join.
Try www.bragfolio.com It's free. I created my profile which is emailable with your personal created url address. I sent it to 4 recruiters and 1 employer post and was contact by 2 the same day! It was pretty cool. So far I have had good luck with it and didn't pay a cent!
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:18 AM
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This site is not a rip off. 80% of all medical device jobs available are listed here. The response rate is low because 90% of all people looking to get into medical are not qualified. This will also lead you to recruiters who can help you get a job in the industry. If recruiters don't respond to your resume it is because: 1) you aren't qualified or 2) they have received so many responses that your resume got lost in the shuffle. Most probably it is 1.
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:24 PM
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No longer $30/yr....their rates have really gone up. I have been a member w/them for a couple of years, but with the increase along with a big lack of legitimate responses from those who list....will look elsewhere.
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:53 AM
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What about HealthCareReps.com? Has anyone landed jobs or responses from this site?
I have a membership with them. I've had it since January, and hadn't gotten anywhere with it until I got a contract gig a few months ago. This guy used a recruiter rather than listing himself, so I'm fairly certain I wouldn't have found the job elsewhere. It's also nice that it's not full of mislabeled junk listings liked Monster or Careerbuilder. It's only $30 per year, which is well worth it if you find something. Be aware going in that these are all vaguely described recruiter listings, but if you're as desperate as I am, you'd probably rather apply for a few jobs you might not want than miss any that you might so who cares if the listing's vague.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:49 AM
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No longer $30/year.....at that price I wouldn't discourage joining.....her is their latest membership info.......$30 only gets you 3 months!

Medreps.com
Candidate - $29.95 Three (3) Month Membership
Candidate - $52.95 Six (6) Month Membership
Candidate - $19.95 + $8.49/mo Annual Membership
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Old 07-23-2009, 02:45 AM
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No longer $30/year.....at that price I wouldn't discourage joining.....her is their latest membership info.......$30 only gets you 3 months!

Medreps.com
Candidate - $29.95 Three (3) Month Membership
Candidate - $52.95 Six (6) Month Membership
Candidate - $19.95 + $8.49/mo Annual Membership
That sucks - can't blame them for raising their prices when their demand is growing everyday as more and more people are laid-off. Really though, when you think about it, you would hope that at least in 6 months, if not three, you would have found a job. Of course, I've been grossly underemployed for 8 months, but I got sidetracked settling for part-time gigs. Even in the most extreme of circumstances though, an annual membership is really unnecessary - most of us could never afford to keep up the job search that long anyway.
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Old 08-16-2009, 11:57 PM
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It is hard to figure out all the repeat jobs posted on Medreps.com but it does work. I received some call backs from it.

I just found a new board that is free for candidates that just started up, not a ton of jobs on it yet...but a few really good ones and it appears they have signed up some of the better recruiters...or ones that have been around for a while. If you want free, try www.medrepcareers.com

Also I like Medzilla...but a lot of pharma on that one, so if you want pharma...go there. I do feel like we are all getting nickle and dimed on these boards! The $30 bucks here and there do add up.

Hope that helps.
If this doesn't scream "I'm the owner of medrepcareers" I don't know what does. Do your advertising somewhere else. You're reaching, man... There is nothing that sets you apart from the other 200 sites trying to do the same thing you are. Half of them are also free.
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:14 PM
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50% aren't even legit jobs, 50% of the recruiters don't understand the position enough to identify qualified candidates, 50% aren't even associated with the hiring company and hope to luck up on someone and put them in regardless, 50% exaggerate the qualifications for the job so that they get the cream of the crop (i.e. it doesn't match what the companies website job description), 90% don't respond to your application, 30% send back "canned" emails stating the company hired from within ( I called him on it and he said I didn't meet the requirements and didn't want to hurt my feelings!!!)

So what are the adv? You see a posting for a position with the company name, you contact a friend in the company and you put your resume in thru them.

Any more questions?
Just one - who taught you your math skills?
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Old 08-30-2009, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Medreps.com

Hi, do I cancel my membership with them? It is renewed automatically.. I should have read the contract
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Old 08-30-2009, 02:53 PM
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How do I cancel it????
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Old 09-06-2009, 03:11 PM
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You can email them at info@medreps.com and let them know you want to cancel.
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Old 09-09-2009, 09:16 AM
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It is a scam and there should be a classs action lawsuit from the thousands of members who have given them money over the last few years for the jobs that don't exist
they should be held accountable
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:55 PM
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I found a job last year from a lead off of MedReps. What are other good sites?
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Old 09-12-2009, 02:04 PM
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Heres the REAL deal. I don't work for any of these websites and certainly not medreps, as I suspect a good deal of the above posters do. I am successful in getting employed and you can take this info to the bank. Been in this business 8 yrs and counting, plus many yrs of accomplished work in another field, so not bragging, just letting you know I"ve walked the talk.

O.k....You should'nt ever have to pay crap, they should pay you, if you are any good. Thats it, over and done with. I have NEVER paid to get a job, o.k. The one time I was an ass clown and desperate, I paid $19.95 for a list of mystery shopper positions and guess what, there were none where I live and further the website didn't work and no one, no one ever responded to my complaints. Lesson learned and that was off careerbuilder, so go figure and they never did anything about it either. I complained to them and they never wrote back. Learn from my mistake.

These are the only sites you need to know about, so get your pencils ready, job seekers.
simplyhired.com, monster.com, careerbuilder.com, hotjobs.com, medzilla.com, and b2bwhatever, its listed above in someone elses posts. Forget the recruiters, they can really screw you and will, if they have a candidates resume that appeals more to the hiring personnel, they will push it, even if you are the better candidate, why? because they want the commission. Some are just dirtball and they may start out nice, but they get ugly and then they will never call you again when you call them on their skanky ways.
This guy must be in Pharma!
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