VESIcare Launch

Overall a good meting. 2 Questions:

1) The Star Spangled Banner to start a meeting? What IDIOT decided this?

2) Debbie Fields as the "motivational" speaker? Just what were we supposed to take away from her "Me" talk? That plastic surgery & botox can make you be what you want to be? Sellin cookies ain't the same as selling drugs. She was ridiculous http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads...s/confused.gif

I think the take away message from Mrs Fields was that if you work hard and sell a shit load of drug, you will have enough bonus dollars to make your wife look good again through stretching or raising skin and some botox!! WHO THE FUCK BOOKED HER? What a bad idea, but the meeting overall wasn't so bad.

So, is this drug gonna be any good or what?

Signed,
Enablex rep

look for yourself....It's out there and starting to groove. Ain't gonna cure OAB but hopefully will be another choice for docs who are dealing with unhappy patients.

I agree Debbie sucked but star spangled banner was amazing! That girl has some balls

Funny, you guys did a launch and all you can talk about is the girl who sang "Star Spangled banner"? Classy company!!

DO you think we are dumb enough to post sales messages and quota's!

wiz

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I think the take away message from Mrs Fields was that if you work hard and sell a shit load of drug, you will have enough bonus dollars to make your wife look good again through stretching or raising skin and some botox!! WHO THE FUCK BOOKED HER? What a bad idea, but the meeting overall wasn't so bad.

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You are right, it was a pretty good meeting. Now that I think it of it, it was one of the best meetings that I have been to in a long time. I wasn't too impressed with Mrs Fields either but who really depends on the speaker to get you hyped up to go out and sell? Show me the money!!!!! I think all the other products are going to lose out to VESIcare. It was interesting hearing your CEO? get excited about the sales in Europe and how its kicking ass! Yeah!

Go back to Pfizer or J&J then loser and stop taking up space.

Because I enjoyed the 18 months off to work out, golf and go to school. Oh wait I am sorry to build relationships for our launch. This is easiest money I ever earned. I figure I can milk this for at least 2 more years, work 10 hours a week, be in the upper 1/3 of the sales force then leave when I complete my MBA!!

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Go back to Pfizer or J&J then loser and stop taking up space.

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Isn't that what the doctors tell you when you try to leave Vesicare samples? Stop taking up space.
Previous OAB seller here, the fact that you guys had to do your head to head study against a drug that hasn't been promoted in 3 or more years, to get any kind of leverage is sad. Do a head to head against Detrol LA, not Detrol IR. No one uses IR anymore, why? Because LA is better, and better than Vesicare. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have had to use 2mg IR in your study, you would have had the balls to use 4mg LA. But I guess you wouldn't have been able to meet your endpoint then, now would you? http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads...lins/blush.gif

VESIcare's been in offices for barely 2 weeks and you're pissing in your pants already. Hilarious!

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VESIcare's been in offices for barely 2 weeks and you're pissing in your pants already. Hilarious!

[/ QUOTE ]At 5mg you have low dry mouth, 10mg your entire bullshit story doesn't have a chance. This is such a me to drug its very funny or should I say sad. GSK must need a write off because this drug sucks, Yam reps are gonna be getting laid off by the end of the year.

Oh wait, that's right, Detrol LA has market share because it's the most effective product available. Get a life, you haven't had anybody to push back and now you're scared as sh*t. Pfizer bought Detrol LA and has no interest in the urology field whatsoever. Viagra? It's not a Uro product, it's abused more in the porn industry than it's prescribed! How long do you actually think you're going to hold on to your 50+%? Never said we were going to overtake Detrol LA, but we will take a HUGE bite out of the market. Not to mention Flomax dominates the BPH market. If anybody should be worried about getting laid off, it's you. We're just starting up, what are you doing? Waiting for the FDA to pull one of your products off the market??

Enablex has the safest profile and just got launched.

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Enablex has the safest profile and just got launched.

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Who are you kidding? That dog will never hunt! Dead on arrival.

who cares... we are toast... our drug sucks and none of our reps can sell... we better jump ship now.

Man, I have selling my ass off, doing programs, getting doctors on teleconferences and having them make personal calls and I am getting no ROI. Do you get the same glazed over look from the MD's when you try to talk OAB? Flomax is doing well but this drug and market suck!!!

Honestly, what really does it bring to the table. No b.s. corporate kool aide drinker response please.
I ask this because that is a common response I have gotten. And with enablex out, my doc's laugh because oab is all around them.
P.s. detrol can kiss my ass. But my doc's seem to be pretty happy with it. If the patient does not.... thank god they now have 4 other places to go.

"me TOO" ding http://www.cafepharma.com/ubbthreads...mlins/grin.gif dong!

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Honestly, what really does it bring to the table. No b.s. corporate kool aide drinker response please.
I ask this because that is a common response I have gotten. And with enablex out, my doc's laugh because oab is all around them.
P.s. detrol can kiss my ass. But my doc's seem to be pretty happy with it. If the patient does not.... thank god they now have 4 other places to go.

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That's "Mr. Detrol LA" to you. Show some respect. I think we've earned it.

Don't you think it is funny that the Enablex(Novartis) reps also have Zelnorm in the bag. Now they have two IBS drugs to sell (Zelnorm and Enablex). Sounds like a GI sales force to me!

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Honestly, what really does it bring to the table. No b.s. corporate kool aide drinker response please.
I ask this because that is a common response I have gotten. And with enablex out, my doc's laugh because oab is all around them.
P.s. detrol can kiss my ass. But my doc's seem to be pretty happy with it. If the patient does not.... thank god they now have 4 other places to go.

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That's "Mr. Detrol LA" to you. Show some respect. I think we've earned it.

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You have earned nothing. Please explain how you earned it with your contract sales force. What have you earned tool?

Actually I'm about to earn some $$$ from Flomax..what've you got, Celebrex? Bextra? Viagra? What's your quota? Lemme guess, you sold Detrol w/Pharmacia and were bought out by Pfizer..sounds like you're the tool to me.

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Actually I'm about to earn some $$$ from Flomax..what've you got, Celebrex? Bextra? Viagra? What's your quota? Lemme guess, you sold Detrol w/Pharmacia and were bought out by Pfizer..sounds like you're the tool to me.

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Nope, you guessed wrong. But I am from Pharmacia and I did carry Detrol LA there. BTW - I have not made less than $100K since I started doing this candy ass job so I am hardly complaining. Here is another newsflash - Detrol LA is not Detrol! So clearly, VESIcare bring nothing to the market. It's dissappointing. Hey-one thing is clear, your M3 smoke screen is interesting, but in the end, the PI is all I need to keep you in the basement. The more you talk to my Doc's, the more I get to clarify the facts and trust me - I get to point out all the holes. Did you know Docs don't like get the 1/2 truth? (ie "We're better than Detrol!" or "Yes, we studied the same patient type as OPERA study.") And since the J&J rep and I are on the same page, you get it from both ends! So Go ahead complete on price. You'll see DXL copy cats kick your ass there this summer because even a DXL copy cat is better than your drug. Enjoy!

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Honestly, what really does it bring to the table. No b.s. corporate kool aide drinker response please.
I ask this because that is a common response I have gotten. And with enablex out, my doc's laugh because oab is all around them.
P.s. detrol can kiss my ass. But my doc's seem to be pretty happy with it. If the patient does not.... thank god they now have 4 other places to go.

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That's "Mr. Detrol LA" to you. Show some respect. I think we've earned it.

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You have earned nothing. Please explain how you earned it with your contract sales force. What have you earned tool?

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Give me a break, "Contract sales forces" are a joke. Altana sales folks are nice people, but they're hardly the reason Detrol LA has succeed. Did you come up with that yourself? Seriously, you have to do better than this to make posting or you'll just confirm the rumor that all VESIcare reps are airheads.

Oh yeah, Detrol LA "extended release". The improved version!! While the dummies at J&J and Pfizer were one-upping each other w/their extended-release versions, YAM was working on solifenacin. Whatever you posted, I hope you use it w/your docs, because you'll look like an absolute fool. And please feel free to breakdown the PI and make false claims, that'll add to your credibility even more. M3 smokescreen, what a dumbass, you already screwed that one up!!

Hmmm..contract sales force or imminent layoffs?

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Oh yeah, Detrol LA "extended release". The improved version!! While the dummies at J&J and Pfizer were one-upping each other w/their extended-release versions, YAM was working on solifenacin. Whatever you posted, I hope you use it w/your docs, because you'll look like an absolute fool. And please feel free to breakdown the PI and make false claims, that'll add to your credibility even more. M3 smokescreen, what a dumbass, you already screwed that one up!!

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Hey Gal, lay off the company kool-aid until you actually understand the other OAB drugs in the market. Some of those Uro's you trained on your me-2 drug turn out to be pretty big PFE shareholders too. And they are more than happy to let us know the weaknesses of your product. BTW - thanks for the memory stick!

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Oh yeah, Detrol LA "extended release". The improved version!! While the dummies at J&J and Pfizer were one-upping each other w/their extended-release versions, YAM was working on solifenacin. Whatever you posted, I hope you use it w/your docs, because you'll look like an absolute fool. And please feel free to breakdown the PI and make false claims, that'll add to your credibility even more. M3 smokescreen, what a dumbass, you already screwed that one up!!

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You are right. I am sorry. I got the other Me-2 drug confused with yours. But you're wrong if you think that your drug brings new to the market.

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Oh yeah, Detrol LA "extended release". The improved version!! While the dummies at J&J and Pfizer were one-upping each other w/their extended-release versions, YAM was working on solifenacin. Whatever you posted, I hope you use it w/your docs, because you'll look like an absolute fool. And please feel free to breakdown the PI and make false claims, that'll add to your credibility even more. M3 smokescreen, what a dumbass, you already screwed that one up!!

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don't do oab anymore, but use to sell dxl and i do have to say that the M3 is the way to go. after all, all the "newer" drugs that have just come out to market or are coming out are all M3s. If M2 was the way to go, then there would be more companies coming with a drug that targeted M2. everyone who sells these drugs know that the detrussor contractions are controlled throught the M3 - except for pfizer (pharmacia). that's why you will see dla as a weak ass drug and that it can only handle mild oab. can't keep people continent and isn't that what it's all about?

hope you guys kick pfizer's ass. i'm kicking viagra's ass.

Thanks for the update dickhead, you didn't say anything we didn't know already.

WHAT IS THE 1/2 LIFE OF VESICARE?

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Oh yeah, Detrol LA "extended release". The improved version!! While the dummies at J&J and Pfizer were one-upping each other w/their extended-release versions, YAM was working on solifenacin. Whatever you posted, I hope you use it w/your docs, because you'll look like an absolute fool. And please feel free to breakdown the PI and make false claims, that'll add to your credibility even more. M3 smokescreen, what a dumbass, you already screwed that one up!!

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don't do oab anymore, but use to sell dxl and i do have to say that the M3 is the way to go. after all, all the "newer" drugs that have just come out to market or are coming out are all M3s. If M2 was the way to go, then there would be more companies coming with a drug that targeted M2. everyone who sells these drugs know that the detrussor contractions are controlled throught the M3 - except for pfizer (pharmacia). that's why you will see dla as a weak ass drug and that it can only handle mild oab. can't keep people continent and isn't that what it's all about?

hope you guys kick pfizer's ass. i'm kicking viagra's ass.

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Hey do it! Go with Mr. Grammar's advice - say DLA is only for non severe pts and all new drugs target M3 and you'll look like super reps! Mr. Grammer doesn't even know what M2 is does, let alone how to position any OAB drug. If I were selling your drug - I'd make my first action to take all DXL's business. Why would one use DXL when if you have a patient that doesn't respond DLA - put them on EN instead of messing with the CNS and dry mouth issues of using a OXY-based drug. Once you secure that position and get some crediblity go after DLA. Hey since Uncle Pfizer make your product anyways, we actually want you to do well.

try reading the PI

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WHAT IS THE 1/2 LIFE OF VESICARE?

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17 hours.

I am currently with big pharma, and am looking at another reorganization. I recently interviewed with a position with Yamanouchi selling Vesicare. Can anyone out there let me know how this drug is doing?

The manager tells me the drug is off to a strong start, and we can expect to earn rich bonus payouts. What are you seeing in the field? Are prescriptions strong? How is their managed care team? What about their managers?

Yer help is appreciated.

Drug is doing quite well in my area with the Uro's..so far the company seems good but merger will be more telling of how things will be in the future. Are you interviewing for primary care or specialty?

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WHAT IS THE 1/2 LIFE OF VESICARE?

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17 hours.

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Wrong, wrong wrong wrong!!!
Where in the hell did you pull that number from?
Try reading the PI.
Its 50 hours.
Dumbass!

I thought it was 45 to 68 hours? that is a benefit to patients that need coverage 2+ days.

Have a look at the new "Star" report released on St Pats Day which was a European head to head study of Vesicare against Detrol LA 4mg. Hey, you can eat your humble pie after your Corn Beef and Cabbage.

Vesicare Rocks

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Have a look at the new "Star" report released on St Pats Day which was a European head to head study of Vesicare against Detrol LA 4mg. Hey, you can eat your humble pie after your Corn Beef and Cabbage.

[/ QUOTE ]Actually I'll just take a 'lil Detrol LA marketshare for my appetizer then have Ditropan XL as my main dish followed by a large piece of pie of 'easy to swallow' Sanctura sprinkled with some yellow and brown Enablex tablets! IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME MY FELLOW COMPETITORS !!! ENJOY THE RUN DOWN THE HILL !!!!!!

It sounds like most of you come from YPA. As far as GSK is concerned, the launch sucked because we matched your cost for the program. Usually, we're seeing unbelievable bands with incredible speakers. Oh well, it sure sucks relying on your specialists to sell my drug. I already had one get kicked out of my main uros. office. Sucks for me. However, I decided to start calling on him and thank God for the STAR report.
Go Vesicare, and Enablex your drug suck as well as Detrol LA

Well, just to keep you completely informed dip shit the dry mouth is only 17% when you start on 5mg and go up to 10mg (still lower than anything out there. The # you are focusing on is pts who were started out on 10......Anyway, believe what you want we'll chat again after the LANDMARK trial. Can you say SUPERIOR????Go check that out while your sales dwindle to nothing.

Unfortunately for you Pfizer folks--the STAR study will show what Detrol LA really is.......

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Well, just to keep you completely informed dip shit the dry mouth is only 17% when you start on 5mg and go up to 10mg (still lower than anything out there. The # you are focusing on is pts who were started out on 10......Anyway, believe what you want we'll chat again after the LANDMARK trial. Can you say SUPERIOR????Go check that out while your sales dwindle to nothing.

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BLA BLA BLA!!! I'm chipping away on your sorry ass in my territory on NRX's BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

unfortunately----you will once again be wrong...I usually don't jump on the bandwagon, but the study results will be enough to prove themselves...Pfizer (sorry, Pharmacia) won't be the market leader much longer.

This is a great drug for making patients dizzy and blurred vision. Then they are more susceptable to falling which is one of the biggest hazzards to elderly patients anyway. All "falling medicine" does is enhance the problem. For Christ sakes you even have a warning about operating dangerous equipment may cause blurred vision/dizziness.

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This is a great drug for making patients dizzy and blurred vision. Then they are more susceptable to falling which is one of the biggest hazzards to elderly patients anyway. All "falling medicine" does is enhance the problem. For Christ sakes you even have a warning about operating dangerous equipment may cause blurred vision/dizziness.

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If this is your tactic to sell against vesicare keep using it fuck stick!! LA=2% dizziness XL=6% dizziness Vesicare=1.9% dizziness. Blurred vision of 3% isn't going to make anybody raise a brow!! BOOFUCKINGWHOO!!! I work for Pfizer, the best thing since sliced white bread, and everything is turning to shit.