Safest BMS Divisions?????

Are there certain divisions of BMS that are safer and more secure to be in during these challenging times? Looking for some answers with substance!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there certain divisions of BMS that are safer and more secure to be in during these challenging times? Looking for some answers with substance!!!!!!!!

Only safe spots at BMS are to get on the executive management council, great pay, stock options, and the only way you lose your job is if you break the law and the feds escort you out. Other than that, no matter how incompetent you are, your job is secure.

Safest division is CV / Met. With Onglyza coming as best in class agent, this division is going to be on fire!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there certain divisions of BMS that are safer and more secure to be in during these challenging times? Looking for some answers with substance!!!!!!!!

Safe? what are you smoking?

Oncology. Unless we get bought or merge. Then, they will be the first to go since the only reason we would be bought is for this division. Worst place to be: PC and NSS.

Why do you think NSS is not safe?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you think NSS is not safe?

Don`t listen to the trolls on here. NSS just went through a reorg a year ago and most of the trolls on here were eliminated. NSS is safe until 2011 or 2012. Abilify growth is going through the roof!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safest division is CV / Met. With Onglyza coming as best in class agent, this division is going to be on fire!!

Let's just hope Onglyza gets approved, strange things happen...remember studying for Vanlev?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's just hope Onglyza gets approved, strange things happen...remember studying for Vanlev?

Uh, Vanlev? How about having a hotel assignment for the Pargluva launch???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don`t listen to the trolls on here. NSS just went through a reorg a year ago and most of the trolls on here were eliminated. NSS is safe until 2011 or 2012. Abilify growth is going through the roof!!!!!!

That's why it's not safe. They will start to downsize in 3 years. Most people want careers longer than that! Seroquel and Zyprexia will be off patent long before that. Now that Obama and his democratic congress have more power then ever, what do you think is getting ready to happen.

NSS could be in trouble too. With Abilify losing contract to Otsuka soon, they are already looking at how to disassemble the field force if they can't find a late stage product to buy (which isn't likely as they have been saying they have been trying to do this for the last 3 years). If I were in NSS, I would be thinking about my family and my exit strategy to another BMS division or another company. Don't hang your hat on BMS coming through with a new product or extending the Otuska contract. These days you have to look out for yourself. Otsuka might be looking to pick up some of the BMS reps but just conjecture.

If Onglyza does not come out, the party is over. So we will live and die by that FDA decision. If it fails, PC will be cut to the bare bones. so wait and see.

Any division that has a product protected from generic intrusion. Plavix goes away in 2010 (generic) and Abilify in 2011 (Otsuka takes over US rights). Virology, Oncology and Immuno are the best bets for the long term. I would not hold out much hope for CV/Met in the near or long term. Onglyza is not a sure thing with the FDA the way it is now. Even if it is approved it is not going to be a product that supports 2000-3000 people selling with BMS. Besides, we have a marketing partner that will put resources towards it as well. When I can I want to get into Oncology or Immuno since they have products that are not easy for generics to be produced. I know that Immuno and Onocology just had realignments/layoffs and there were no openings in my area. Good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NSS could be in trouble too. With Abilify losing contract to Otsuka soon, they are already looking at how to disassemble the field force if they can't find a late stage product to buy (which isn't likely as they have been saying they have been trying to do this for the last 3 years). If I were in NSS, I would be thinking about my family and my exit strategy to another BMS division or another company. Don't hang your hat on BMS coming through with a new product or extending the Otuska contract. These days you have to look out for yourself. Otsuka might be looking to pick up some of the BMS reps but just conjecture.

Well stated....I am a NS rep and I expect that we will see a layoff going from 2 reps per pod to 1 rep per pod OBS between 10/09 and 3/10. The people who think NSS reps are safe for 3 years are so full of it. They must be noobs to the company. I know how this company thinks.

Welcome to "new pharma," where job security means being employed for the next 1-2 years. Reps who are looking for that gig to last 5-10 years and beyond are living in la la land. You could say that BMS and all other companies who created "big pharma" during the last 5-7 years have set them themselves up for these times. These tough times were self inflected by the massive hirings and creating the BS Pod systems. So sad , but so true!!!!!

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Welcome to "new pharma," where job security means being employed for the next 1-2 years. Reps who are looking for that gig to last 5-10 years and beyond are living in la la land. You could say that BMS and all other companies who created "big pharma" during the last 5-7 years have set them themselves up for these times. These tough times were self inflected by the massive hirings and creating the BS Pod systems. So sad , but so true!!!!!

There is no guaranteed job security or a "safe" division. A rep that survived the NSS head-count neutral realignment interviewed and found a job in oncology, only to be laid off in their head count neutral realignment.

I have worked for GSK, S/A, and BMS and they are all the same. I could put blinders on and I could not tell which company that I am working for. Ever hear of "SOS?" We have all had the "golden handcuffs" put on us. It is a total "love/hate" thing. At the end of the day, we choose to collect our 6 figures and just deal with the crap that goes along with the job. If it ends in a couple of years, so be it. Hopefully, you all have enough business savvy to land on your feet. Good Luck.

Just heard that all reps and DBMs will be sharing rooms at the Onglyza launch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that all reps and DBMs will be sharing rooms at the Onglyza launch.

Pretty bold of you to predict an approval and launch meeting for a drug not even at FDA yet, must be new to BMS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty bold of you to predict an approval and launch meeting for a drug not even at FDA yet, must be new to BMS.

Not at FDA yet? How long have you been around? It's already filed you clown!

Now go away and drop off more donuts, the skin on the nurses are starting to sag a little.

We will NEVER go back to sharing rooms, you tool! Too many potential HR nightmares (pardon the pun). Never going to happen

NSS and CV/Met will get you 18-24 months of employment. Nothing will happen any sooner b/c these 2 divisions are the fuel for the companies future. The other divisions with products in the pipelines need the cash that NSS and CV/Met are brining in today. The way I see it is that we all have a couple of years to plan for our futures. Going back to school for another degree, starting up a business, whatever it is, get busy now.

No division is safe. The industry is in shambles and all we can do is ride this gig for as long as we can and when it's over, find something else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have worked for GSK, S/A, and BMS and they are all the same. I could put blinders on and I could not tell which company that I am working for. Ever hear of "SOS?" We have all had the "golden handcuffs" put on us. It is a total "love/hate" thing. At the end of the day, we choose to collect our 6 figures and just deal with the crap that goes along with the job. If it ends in a couple of years, so be it. Hopefully, you all have enough business savvy to land on your feet. Good Luck.

Finally , someone who gets it. I too have worked for AZ, Nofartis and BMS and can't really tell a difference between them. The pay is nice the job is ridiculous and the hand cuffs keep getting tighter. I just wish I knew what I was going to be doing in 15 years for a career.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no guaranteed job security or a "safe" division. A rep that survived the NSS head-count neutral realignment interviewed and found a job in oncology, only to be laid off in their head count neutral realignment.

lol literally!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally , someone who gets it. I too have worked for AZ, Nofartis and BMS and can't really tell a difference between them. The pay is nice the job is ridiculous and the hand cuffs keep getting tighter. I just wish I knew what I was going to be doing in 15 years for a career.

You got it bro, pharma is pharma. Just watch your back and always have a fall back plan to stay ahead of the game. Remember, only in pharma can you crack 6 figs so easily. Yea, the micro stuff is useless and can p!ss you off at times, but the gig is one of the easiest ways to earn 100-130K. Unfortunatley, it is no longer a long term career. I say, enjoy while it lasts, take it year to year and remember to formulate a plan away from pharma. Peace!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You got it bro, pharma is pharma. Just watch your back and always have a fall back plan to stay ahead of the game. Remember, only in pharma can you crack 6 figs so easily. Yea, the micro stuff is useless and can p!ss you off at times, but the gig is one of the easiest ways to earn 100-130K. Unfortunatley, it is no longer a long term career. I say, enjoy while it lasts, take it year to year and remember to formulate a plan away from pharma. Peace!

Seriously, how many reps have a plan outside of pharma? For most of the ~100,000 reps out there, this is all they know. Their house payments, car payments, etc are all based on their pharma salary. While you make some valid points, unfortunately this industry makes people lazy. People are accustomed to working short days and short hours. If you have over 5-8 years of pharma and you're making a base salary of $80-100k delivering samples each day, lets just say that companies outside this industry aren't looking for that skill set. I'm a manager and you would be astonished how many resumes we receive of people trying to get back into the industry. As the industry downsizes, salaries will also decrease. It's as simple as supply and demand. The easy days are in the rear view mirror. Many reps will be filing bankruptcy the next few years.

Isn't that uplifting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many reps will be filing bankruptcy the next few years.

Yes, Manager, but only the shitty ones. Even the negative stigma that pharma leaves on your resume won't prevent the true performers from finding work in or out of this industry.

All the good reps have already left and/or are fleeing pharma right now anyway - watch the mass exodus starting in January then look at the "talent" the industry will be left with. Those are the reps who'll have that stupid "wha happen?" look on their face when they close the doors. Same look they approach every office with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously, how many reps have a plan outside of pharma? For most of the ~100,000 reps out there, this is all they know. Their house payments, car payments, etc are all based on their pharma salary. While you make some valid points, unfortunately this industry makes people lazy. People are accustomed to working short days and short hours. If you have over 5-8 years of pharma and you're making a base salary of $80-100k delivering samples each day, lets just say that companies outside this industry aren't looking for that skill set. I'm a manager and you would be astonished how many resumes we receive of people trying to get back into the industry. As the industry downsizes, salaries will also decrease. It's as simple as supply and demand. The easy days are in the rear view mirror. Many reps will be filing bankruptcy the next few years.

One of the main reasons that pharma is pharma is b/c of the culture that was created by top/down mgmt style. From upper mgmt down to reg mgr, filtered down to DMs, they all roll the ball down hill. None of them have the balls to take any ownership!!! They all pass the buck to the reps. They try to dish the same reps that they actually hired and brought on board. Think about it, for every lame rep out there, they were hired by a lame DM and signed off on by a lame RM. If you look at a NFL, NBA, or MLB teams, there is no top down mgmt approach. The top brass is held acccountable. They are the ones who formulated the team. If the performance of the team is not good, the finger points to the leadership and not the players. Basic stuff here that pharma mgmt is clueless on.

Pharma mgmt ruined the whole industry over the past 10 years with the creation of the mass marketing POD formulation. They lowered the bar to get into the industry by favoring quantity over quality. Any basic business module will tell you that there is no replacement for quality. So as pharma struggles during these times, mgmt has nobody to blame but themselves for their poor business judgment.

So the next time that a DM, RM or any other useless layer of pharma mgmt tries to complain, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Have you look in the mirror lately?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the main reasons that pharma is pharma is b/c of the culture that was created by top/down mgmt style. From upper mgmt down to reg mgr, filtered down to DMs, they all roll the ball down hill. None of them have the balls to take any ownership!!! They all pass the buck to the reps. They try to dish the same reps that they actually hired and brought on board. Think about it, for every lame rep out there, they were hired by a lame DM and signed off on by a lame RM. If you look at a NFL, NBA, or MLB teams, there is no top down mgmt approach. The top brass is held acccountable. They are the ones who formulated the team. If the performance of the team is not good, the finger points to the leadership and not the players. Basic stuff here that pharma mgmt is clueless on.

Pharma mgmt ruined the whole industry over the past 10 years with the creation of the mass marketing POD formulation. They lowered the bar to get into the industry by favoring quantity over quality. Any basic business module will tell you that there is no replacement for quality. So as pharma struggles during these times, mgmt has nobody to blame but themselves for their poor business judgment.

So the next time that a DM, RM or any other useless layer of pharma mgmt tries to complain, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Have you look in the mirror lately?

Best post I've seen in a while. There is absolutely no accountability with the managment of BMS, they pass the buck every time. You have an insular world in NJ, where every manager type, be it sales or marketing, is only looking out for their next rung on the ladder. They come up with marketing plans that make no impact - but they think they do. Always taking credit for the good and passing the bad on to the field. Pretty sad commentary on this company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oncology. Unless we get bought or merge. Then, they will be the first to go since the only reason we would be bought is for this division. Worst place to be: PC and NSS.

In the larger context of health care costs, oncology is under risk of diminishing as a TA.

-- take Avastin's extra e,g 6 weeks of PFS, at a cost of 100k/yr, versus the need for broader price-changes within health care. At present, no phase 2 or 3 clinical studies show a more meaningful response rate. Until then, I would consider another field (such as regulatory), or another industry.

Wait till you guys see the 09 plan. Unbelivable. All divisons will be taking major hits.

Energizing to say the least!

Originally Posted by Insider 1

Best post I've seen in a while. There is absolutely no accountability with the managment of BMS, they pass the buck every time. You have an insular world in NJ, where every manager type, be it sales or marketing, is only looking out for their next rung on the ladder. They come up with marketing plans that make no impact - but they think they do. Always taking credit for the good and passing the bad on to the field. Pretty sad commentary on this company.

I've worked both inside this indusrty as well as outside of it, and this is true with virtually any company you look at. This isn't unique to BMS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've worked both inside this indusrty as well as outside of it, and this is true with virtually any company you look at. This isn't unique to BMS!

Your point has already been made on some of the above posts!!!!! Bring some better value next time.