Upcoming layoffs were determined 5 months agao

Regardless if your a below during your evaluation and your kicking ass right now its no use. The choice to keep you was made 5 months ago. Remember April 1st that we were told June- than Sept 23rd. Becasue the extensive cuts that are comig they had to keep delaying as economy and stock kept tanking and SA didn't want to announce layoffs in the early part of the year for fear of losing even more stock value. Any reps that were out on short-term disability at any point earlier in the year were still way up on the list along with the below expectations reps. This is the reality folks. Looking at performance. Are your numbers now doing better than after the first two quarters? Its too late - even if you moved up on the rankings your still toast if you were below or having a terrible year. If your a disgruntled employee who doesn'tget aong with manager or other risk this went into the equation along with geography-performance- current standing( working or not working)-HR complaints etc. These layoffs always give HR a chance to clear their files out of disgruntled and cancerous reps.

Wrong. The decisions are being made as we speak. The process started last week, Monday to be exact.

Stop trying to stir stuff up.

Wrong!!! keep up with that thinking!!! Do actually think there sitting in a room looking at every possible scenerio for you?? Come on-- somebody has to be straight with you. If you had a below and now your territory is cooking its too late. If you have serious HR issues than fasten your seat belts because you moved to the top of the list with the Below expectations. Nobody is stirring up anything - I've been through about 20 of these with sanofi and trust me uyour a number on a computer spread sheet. That impactful detail you made two weeks ago with your manager to show him your not a below expectation rep or a short- term disability nightmare was for nothing because the process was done months ago. The only thing your right about is there in meetings coordinating how their going to roll out layoffs and who will handle the calls and HR prepping everyone ahead of time. With the specia;ty layoffs all managers were flown into Atlanta ahead of time to be prepped by Hr on how to handle hysterical reps being layed off right before christmas. I've got extremely reliable imfo from a HR contact through this process and they've been dead on with everything that happened in specialty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. The decisions are being made as we speak. The process started last week, Monday to be exact.

Stop trying to stir stuff up.

Regional Managers do not even know the answers yet. It is a waiting game. I am sick--literally from this waiting game. It's kind of like...hmm....in 1 week I will or will not have a paycheck...hmmm wonder which one it will be.

Yes the RSD's do know. There not allowed to say anything. The DM's are in the dark(whats new- most don't even know what year it is)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes the RSD's do know. There not allowed to say anything. The DM's are in the dark(whats new- most don't even know what year it is)

RSD's do not know yet. Why listen to a grown up who doesn't even know the difference in there and their. In the above sentence their would be the correct word that refers back to the person.

Actually in the context of the above sentence the correct word is "they're" as in they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Becasue the extensive cuts that are comig they had to keep delaying as economy and stock kept tanking and SA didn't want to announce layoffs in the early part of the year for fear of losing even more stock value.

Layoffs make the stock value go up! Shareholders love cost cutting and the market reacts. They should have made a bigger deal out of the previous reduction in staffing levels than they did. Because they did those through hiring freeze, eliminating territories and CSOs - it's not as flashy as a layoff headline.

Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Flawed are you kidding me. Like the grammer patrol on the above posts. Idiot is going to geyt layed off and there concerned about grammer and sentence structure. Eco 101 and layoff 101. How did merck and phise do earlier this yrsr with announcements of layoffs. They tanked because it exposes the weak pipeline and shareholders have doubts of management abilities to sustain growth. If GM said today in front of the senate that there laying off 20,000 workers starting next week is the stock going up. No fucking way. It will drop like cannonball off a roof. Management can't run their business and have got to cut. There is nothing in the auto pipeline that doesn't require major re-tooling. If sanofi said March 1sr of 2008 that there laying off 3000 reps thy stock will dive- period-

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Flawed are you kidding me. Like the grammer patrol on the above posts. Idiot is going to geyt layed off and there concerned about grammer and sentence structure. Eco 101 and layoff 101. How did merck and phise do earlier this yrsr with announcements of layoffs. They tanked because it exposes the weak pipeline and shareholders have doubts of management abilities to sustain growth. If GM said today in front of the senate that there laying off 20,000 workers starting next week is the stock going up. No fucking way. It will drop like cannonball off a roof. Management can't run their business and have got to cut. There is nothing in the auto pipeline that doesn't require major re-tooling. If sanofi said March 1sr of 2008 that there laying off 3000 reps thy stock will dive- period-

THis is true-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RSD's do not know yet. Why listen to a grown up who doesn't even know the difference in there and their. In the above sentence their would be the correct word that refers back to the person.

RSD's just recieved their list from the consultant company last week. They are spending this week and next to make any changes or adjustments before making announcements around Dec 1st.

For example, their is an excellent rep in a region that recieved a below 2 years ago from a low rated DSM who has recently been fired. The reps current manager and RSD have put a case together and will present to AVP to keep the rep from being let go. They need time to go over cases like this and to make sure they have the reps they want on their teams moving foward Jan 1st.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually in the context of the above sentence the correct word is "they're" as in they are.

Your right.

I hope they were not determined 5months ago. My numbers were lower then. Now they are all well above 105%. So I pray they are lookin at today.

How funny is it that the above poster STIILL got it wrong. 'there, their and they're' Shows what a great job our public educational system is doing. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually in the context of the above sentence the correct word is "they're" as in they are.

this is why CP gets a bad rap because of the idiocy of the above. Give me a break.
Why even bother. Much ado about nothing here. out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How funny is it that the above poster STIILL got it wrong. 'there, their and they're' Shows what a great job our public educational system is doing. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaa.

As you sit at home in the coming months after being layed off you'll have plenty of time to scan the jobs sections looking for grammer mistakes your" your're what a dipshit you are. Am I using gooder english now dipship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your right.

Now that's just funny.

i had a below rating in 2007 and was at odds with my manager most of the year. this year i am ranked very highly and was displaced. i interviewed and got a position for 2009, although the interview process felt like a formality to me.

good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i had a below rating in 2007 and was at odds with my manager most of the year. this year i am ranked very highly and was displaced. i interviewed and got a position for 2009, although the interview process felt like a formality to me.

good luck to all.

So if you're displaced you may have the chance to re-interview for another position? Or is the position for 2009 a CSO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i had a below rating in 2007 and was at odds with my manager most of the year. this year i am ranked very highly and was displaced. i interviewed and got a position for 2009, although the interview process felt like a formality to me.

good luck to all.

How much cum did you have to swallow there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you're displaced you may have the chance to re-interview for another position? Or is the position for 2009 a CSO?

The 2009 position is a lateral move for me, and not CSO. Essentially the same job in a different territory that is actually closer to my home.

Most reps in this company are so depressed right now they are really not effetive in the field. I do believe these decisions were made a while ago and mangers were told to "push" some reps out or to make them look bad so they would have an excuse to get rid of them now. Even if your numbers were good some managers got picky and some even lied on year ends and mid years about everything except the numbers (of course). This has been thought out by upper management as to who they wanted out then they brought in a 3rd party to avoid litagation now.
I'm trying to not hink about this but it is hard.
If we have a job then we have to leave our famlies at Christmas time. I am not shopping yet because I dont know if I'll have the money to buy a lot and if I keep my job I won;t have the time to shop (but I would much prefer this scenerio). Just keeping my job will be a gift this year.