Real facts on the layoffs-post Dallas mtg

We just got back from Dallas, so here it goes...

Timelines...
DM layoffs will be around 60% and reps approx 50%. Notifications for the DM's are January 28th and we will also get rep layoffs too. We'll have a day to digest and begin rep notifications on the January 30th. A layed off person can take a job after February 28th and not compromise their severance pay. The 60 day notice will begin on Feb 28th. If we're deselcted, I'm not looking forward to finding a job in this economic environment..especially with the unemployment rate at 7.2% (per yesterday's press release).

Criteria...
DM's will subjectively rank each of their reps in 8 catagories. The rank is on a scale of 1-20 and an "average" number will be derived from the 8 catagories. 3 number bands (ranges) are being created. If your number falls in the top band, you're probably ok. If your number is in the middle band, you may be kept or deselected. If your number falls in the lowest band, you will be deselected. Here's the catch with your ranking...you'll never know your number. Once the DM submits the rankings, the next level manager has an opportunity to change it. Once that's done, the next level manager will have another opportunity to change it again. If a change is made to your number, you will never know and the manager that is on the lower level will not know each other...even upon request. The only time actual performance (corpus rating) will be used, will be in tie breaks. Prior to that tie break, other factors will be used to determine your outcome...your distance to the center of your territory, etc)...so bottom line...don't count on your performance to help/hurt you.

We were told that this should be the correct size for a post-Lipitor era...none of us believed that.

Thanks for the info, glad I got my resume out a few weeks ago.

A couple of things wrong with this post.
--8 criteria in which you can give a rep/DM (9 criteria for DM/RMs) a 1, 3, or 5. No other choices. So your score can range from an 8 to a 40.
--No one I heard at the meeting including HR and my RBU GM discussed the "banding" although mine did discuss a minimum level below which some people would simply be let go.
--My RBU GM clearly said that this redeployment for Pfizer was for a post-Lipitor strucuture, believe that or not as you will. However, the OP failed to mention a very interesting slide from the deployment session where the GMs talk about how Pfizer resources and outside resources change between now and 2012. The purple bar (for Pfizer field force employees DOES drop significantly this year and I think 40%-60% is accurate (it really does vary by District and RBU because of a number of factors), but the GOLD bar (representing outside resources used to access prescribers) which includes e-based detailing, mail campaigns, and contract field forces (which are cheaper to Pfizer and can be hired and fired at will by simply not renewing contracts) increases dramatically in 2009/2010 and then declines significantly going towards 2012.
--Makes sense. The new Lipitor cluster is going to have Lipitor, Caduet, Viagra, Chantix, and Detrol LA (plus launch fesoterodine). Why not add temporarily add a 1000 contract people to keep up voice and sample Lipitor for a year or two and then let them go around LOE.
FOLKS--there was a LOT of crap at this meeting and this site simply can't hold all of it. The new methodology for building FTEs, the timelines, the eligibility and criteria for selection, the difference between slating people (RMs/VPs/some new roles), between placing people (what most of us will experience) and the posting of jobs not filled and some new jobs--I wouldn't know where to begin. I will say this. Some of the info on this site is very accurate, and some is total bullshit. I'll say this. If you are retained with this organization after this cut you probably have a pretty good chance of staying with Pfizer for a few more years and possibly retiring because a lot of future "cuts" are going to be from contract field forces that are hired to support specific again products and then released.

Poster #3 here--the word in the last sentence should be "aging" products, not again. Products approaching LOE.

To the Poster from Dallas:

Thank you SO MUCH for this helpful information. I was just offered a job, a position that does not violate the Non-Compete....but still has an official start date right around the end of Jan. There is NO way to have them "hold-off" until a later date. I have already tried that. They want me to start asap. The job is way to lucrative to not take. In one way I am so lucky to get this opportunity, but this is why I have no idea what to do?? I thought the last day was Feb 6th, but now it looks like the poster above is saying that if you work at any time between (Feb. 6th - Feb. 27th), you WILL NOT receive the Sev. package. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I really don't think asking my potential company if I could "Work for Free" for a month or so what be the greatest idea. I am so confused and feeling sick about all of this. The timing couldn't be worse for me. Does anyone else have any advice. Maybe the above poster! I don't even know if I would get deselected, but I was praying that I would be. Reality is though, with my luck I prob. will be kept in this unique situation. I was just going to resign as soon as I got the call if I was kept on instead. Thanks again, and I really do appreciate everyones help.

I wish I could help...i have no idea what I would do.

If pfizer did not get greedy over the years and buy all these companies, they would not be going thru this. Kindler go back to flipping burgers.

In this econimic time, an opportunity (and offer) is much better than holding out. Many of my reps that were let go after the last re-org (FFO), started new jobs before they officially could. They never notified PFE, started their new job, and collected severence and notice pay. No-one ever found out...how could they? The choice is ultimately yours. I'm just telling you what others did when they were severed during FFO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the Poster from Dallas:

Thank you SO MUCH for this helpful information. I was just offered a job, a position that does not violate the Non-Compete....but still has an official start date right around the end of Jan. There is NO way to have them "hold-off" until a later date. I have already tried that. They want me to start asap. The job is way to lucrative to not take. In one way I am so lucky to get this opportunity, but this is why I have no idea what to do?? I thought the last day was Feb 6th, but now it looks like the poster above is saying that if you work at any time between (Feb. 6th - Feb. 27th), you WILL NOT receive the Sev. package. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I really don't think asking my potential company if I could "Work for Free" for a month or so what be the greatest idea. I am so confused and feeling sick about all of this. The timing couldn't be worse for me. Does anyone else have any advice. Maybe the above poster! I don't even know if I would get deselected, but I was praying that I would be. Reality is though, with my luck I prob. will be kept in this unique situation. I was just going to resign as soon as I got the call if I was kept on instead. Thanks again, and I really do appreciate everyones help.

Take the new job. Sounds like you really want it. Ask to sign paperwork after 2/1. You will either be deselected or not. Good luck to you. You are fortunate to have something.

IF you were going to leave anyway, ACCEPT it unless your severance payout is really high. Also, you will be helping one of your teammates.

If I can not sign the paper work after 2/1, but only before...should I just begin working, and then wait a few days before I get the call...thats why I need to know what exact day we are all going to be called! My package is not over the top...but would still be very substantial. I mean, I am lucky to have something else...but It been in the works way before we all knew about the lay offs. If I start just a few days before the call, then get deselected, I could just use vaca time that would take me through Feb. till the 27th? I still am just trying to figure all this out. If I get selected, then I just quit that same day. What does everyone think? Thank you again for ALL the help everyone.

Tell new co. that you are expecting a $15,000 bonus (or whatever #) on Feb. 27 and have to technically stay employed until then, but you'd be willing to do some home study prior to that......they may be understanding. It is fairly common for question to come up in an interview, "when are you expecting to receive your next bonus payout" because they know that will likely keep you hanging around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I can not sign the paper work after 2/1, but only before...should I just begin working, and then wait a few days before I get the call...thats why I need to know what exact day we are all going to be called! My package is not over the top...but would still be very substantial. I mean, I am lucky to have something else...but It been in the works way before we all knew about the lay offs. If I start just a few days before the call, then get deselected, I could just use vaca time that would take me through Feb. till the 27th? I still am just trying to figure all this out. If I get selected, then I just quit that same day. What does everyone think? Thank you again for ALL the help everyone.

If you get deselected, you work in field until the 6th. I doubt they expect us to be closing hard or making 10 calls per day........

The remaining days are at home doing anything administrative. They don't want you to make any calls during that time so you should save your vacation days for the final payout. Normally, if you didn't have a separation package like this, it would pay more to use your vacation before you go. In our situation, it makes more sense to have them pay you to sit at home and then also pay you for your unused vacation.

On February 28th, resign from Pfizer. You'll get your separation package and put Pfizer behind you sooner than the rest.

Make sure you clarify with your new employer what your official start date will be with them. They may be OK with you signing the employment contract and delaying your start date so you are compliant with the severance. Signing an employment contract won't risk your separation package - working your 1st day with a new company will. Most recruiters and managers should understand that securing a package to help pad against today's economy is important.

Good luck to you!!

I can't do that either.... It seems a lot easier to bring ideas like that up right before your interview, or after you receive an offer, but in reality...its so SO hard just to land another good job, so that instead of negotiaing I just yes them to death. And thats what happened. Thats why I am trying to figure out what to do in the current situation with the dates......Again, I will start a FEW days before I officially get the call...if the call is still going to be made on Jan. 28th, 29th, 30th. But if its bumped up for some reason then I may only have a day or so before. Will see what happens with that. I could care less about the WARN period and paychecks, I just want the package. So this brings me back to what to do again???? I really do want to thank anyone that is throwing out ideas to help me in advance!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't do that either.... It seems a lot easier to bring ideas like that up right before your interview, or after you receive an offer, but in reality...its so SO hard just to land another good job, so that instead of negotiaing I just yes them to death. And thats what happened. Thats why I am trying to figure out what to do in the current situation with the dates......Again, I will start a FEW days before I officially get the call...if the call is still going to be made on Jan. 28th, 29th, 30th. But if its bumped up for some reason then I may only have a day or so before. Will see what happens with that. I could care less about the WARN period and paychecks, I just want the package. So this brings me back to what to do again???? I really do want to thank anyone that is throwing out ideas to help me in advance!!

You can't do anything more. Just start your new job, keep it on the DL, and submit your resignation when the WARN period begins. If you do submit your resignation before the WARN period, you lose your separation. Download the separation document from HR Source, read it thoroughly and decide what you need to do for yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't do anything more. Just start your new job, keep it on the DL, and submit your resignation when the WARN period begins. If you do submit your resignation before the WARN period, you lose your separation. Download the separation document from HR Source, read it thoroughly and decide what you need to do for yourself.

Is it true that the vista reps are getting the opportunity to go full time and dilute our selection process possibly bumping one of us who works and has worked that territory full time?

So WHEN does the WARN period OFFICIALLY Begin? What exact DATE could I give my resignation and still receive the sev. package? Feb. 6th or Feb. 27th? Or am I still off on the exact dates??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So WHEN does the WARN period OFFICIALLY Begin? What exact DATE could I give my resignation and still receive the sev. package? Feb. 6th or Feb. 27th? Or am I still off on the exact dates??

Anyone else confused?

Wait til the breeze presentation comes out next week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the Poster from Dallas:

The timing couldn't be worse for me.

Are you kidding me, the timing couldn't be better. If the job is that lucrative. . . just take it, don't look back. Pfuck Pfizer. If you don't take it, you have burnt that bridge and the opportunity will not present itself again. Get off the Pfitanic while you can. Or you could do like many of the rest of us and drink your severance.

Enough already, stop wasting everyone's time. Either make decision or get a lawyer. If your note clear on what you want, then evidentally you should just stay and take your chances.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else confused?

Wait til the breeze presentation comes out next week.

Oh my god why doesn't anyone pay attention???
-Two weeks prior to your JLN(job loss notification) you will be placed/frozen on the wave list.
-You will get a letter/email saying you must attend your JLN meeting
-Attend your JLN meeting
-You will get your official notification date
-You will have to attend the official notification meeting on that date with all of your forms checked out by your manager
-That is the day your WARN starts. Get the fuck out and take your shit with you.
- Sit home and do nothing for 52 days
-Day 53 sign and date your release form and mail it in
-wait a couple weeks or so and you will get your vacation check and eventually FEDEX will drop off your severence check. cash it as soon as possible so it does not bounce
-start a new life without pfizer

if you decide to terminate early(i.e. start working), sign and date your release form and send it in. then wait for your checks....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the Poster from Dallas:

Thank you SO MUCH for this helpful information. I was just offered a job, a position that does not violate the Non-Compete....but still has an official start date right around the end of Jan. There is NO way to have them "hold-off" until a later date. I have already tried that. They want me to start asap. The job is way to lucrative to not take. In one way I am so lucky to get this opportunity, but this is why I have no idea what to do?? I thought the last day was Feb 6th, but now it looks like the poster above is saying that if you work at any time between (Feb. 6th - Feb. 27th), you WILL NOT receive the Sev. package. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I really don't think asking my potential company if I could "Work for Free" for a month or so what be the greatest idea. I am so confused and feeling sick about all of this. The timing couldn't be worse for me. Does anyone else have any advice. Maybe the above poster! I don't even know if I would get deselected, but I was praying that I would be. Reality is though, with my luck I prob. will be kept in this unique situation. I was just going to resign as soon as I got the call if I was kept on instead. Thanks again, and I really do appreciate everyones help.

Use your vacation for the time you need. You do have at least 3 weeks right? Use between being laid off and taking your new job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't do that either.... It seems a lot easier to bring ideas like that up right before your interview, or after you receive an offer, but in reality...its so SO hard just to land another good job, so that instead of negotiaing I just yes them to death. And thats what happened. Thats why I am trying to figure out what to do in the current situation with the dates......Again, I will start a FEW days before I officially get the call...if the call is still going to be made on Jan. 28th, 29th, 30th. But if its bumped up for some reason then I may only have a day or so before. Will see what happens with that. I could care less about the WARN period and paychecks, I just want the package. So this brings me back to what to do again???? I really do want to thank anyone that is throwing out ideas to help me in advance!!

Wow, what a chance for an experiment...ask five of your coworkers what they would do in a given situation. Write down their answers, and call them again in eight months and ask them what they would have done. I would bet that all five would find a way to get that severence if asked today. In eight months, I suspect they would all take the job and screw the package.

That happened to my brother, he worked out the severence and took the 80k and was happy as a pig in slop. That was two years ago, and he was a VP in mortgage banking, he tells me every time that I talk to him, he should have gotten while the getting was good. Most of the people who got out still have jobs, my brother does not. On the up side, his wife is a surgeon, but my brother would still rather have a job.

I know...I know....taking the job is WHAT I AM GOING TO DO...all I am doing now is trying to figure out how I can still get the package while starting with my new company around Jan. 25thish.....anyone....please give the insight that would help me here!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that the vista reps are getting the opportunity to go full time and dilute our selection process possibly bumping one of us who works and has worked that territory full time?

Yes, can you believe it! And, if they were recently hired and get severed, they get severance at fulltime pay. Can you believe that s@%&!

Again....same rep here!

What ARE THE EXACT DATES SOMEONE HAS TO WORK UNTIL TO GET THE SEV. PACKAGE?? Feb. 27th? WHAT day ARE WE GOING TO GET THE CALL?? ANYONE!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the Poster from Dallas:

Thank you SO MUCH for this helpful information. I was just offered a job, a position that does not violate the Non-Compete....but still has an official start date right around the end of Jan. There is NO way to have them "hold-off" until a later date. I have already tried that. They want me to start asap. The job is way to lucrative to not take. In one way I am so lucky to get this opportunity, but this is why I have no idea what to do?? I thought the last day was Feb 6th, but now it looks like the poster above is saying that if you work at any time between (Feb. 6th - Feb. 27th), you WILL NOT receive the Sev. package. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I really don't think asking my potential company if I could "Work for Free" for a month or so what be the greatest idea. I am so confused and feeling sick about all of this. The timing couldn't be worse for me. Does anyone else have any advice. Maybe the above poster! I don't even know if I would get deselected, but I was praying that I would be. Reality is though, with my luck I prob. will be kept in this unique situation. I was just going to resign as soon as I got the call if I was kept on instead. Thanks again, and I really do appreciate everyones help.

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the world. The above poster is suffering from a good case of greed. She is merely trying to find a way to get as much money as she can. Now some will say "well everyone else does it" or "It is her money and she is entitled to it". The answer to any and all of these comments is BULLSHIT.

The purpose of a severance package is to hold you over until you can land on your feet. You aren't entitled to it. You should be grateful Pfizer does it.

Let's look at your choices and consider some various outcomes

1) You take the job and don't tell Pfizer. What are the likely outcomes

a) Pfizer doesn't find out, you have a job and are double dipping padding your back account. Congratulations. You pulled it off.
b) Pfizer does find out and you lose your severance. Well, at least you have your new job
c) Pfizer does find out and you lose your severance and maybe your new employer finds out and you lose that job for being dishonest. Now you are really shit out of luck

Have you ever heard of the saying "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"? The new job is your bird in the hand. Take it, don't try to compromise your principles for greed. Even if you don't get caught is that the example you want to set and the kind of person you want to be?

Ultimately, it is up to you and what any of us thinks matters. The question is can you live with the consequences of any decision you make?

Personally, I would take the new job and kiss Pfizer good bye. In todays job market, I would not be taking any chances for a few thousand dollars. But, that is just me.

these juices are filling me up with pure joy-my faith is in the dog my words are lethal and more vomit comes thru my eyes

Poster # 27,

Rep here....Your words are well taken, trust me. That is why I can not figure out what to do.

So AGAIN....ANY "NEW" Updates on the Dates we will get called....and DO NOT have to work anymore...will be very useful for me to have. Thx YOU!

I was told by my DM we get the call on 1/30/09. Last day in field is 2/6/09. Official WARN date begins 2/27 for 60 days thru 4/27/09. During the WARN time you can take a job and get the severence. Then, it was concluded with all this could change! Good Luck! I would take the job!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the Poster from Dallas:

Thank you SO MUCH for this helpful information. I was just offered a job, a position that does not violate the Non-Compete....but still has an official start date right around the end of Jan. There is NO way to have them "hold-off" until a later date. I have already tried that. They want me to start asap. The job is way to lucrative to not take. In one way I am so lucky to get this opportunity, but this is why I have no idea what to do?? I thought the last day was Feb 6th, but now it looks like the poster above is saying that if you work at any time between (Feb. 6th - Feb. 27th), you WILL NOT receive the Sev. package. WHAT SHOULD I DO? I really don't think asking my potential company if I could "Work for Free" for a month or so what be the greatest idea. I am so confused and feeling sick about all of this. The timing couldn't be worse for me. Does anyone else have any advice. Maybe the above poster! I don't even know if I would get deselected, but I was praying that I would be. Reality is though, with my luck I prob. will be kept in this unique situation. I was just going to resign as soon as I got the call if I was kept on instead. Thanks again, and I really do appreciate everyones help.

Relax-

HR has no way of finding out if you have already taken another job. Just take the other job and dont worry about anything else. Absolutely NO WAY of knowing. I know 2 different people that had already taken new jobs in 2006 and none of them were ever found out.

Also, I clarified with my DM, you CAN take a job on FEB 7- and not lose your severance. The only thing you will lose is the opportunity to get your Q1 Bonus.

Good luck.

If you take another job before Feb 27, you will not get your severance. March 1st should be your start date for a new job.

i've had another job since 2004. it's very easy to do. you have to strategically use your sick days for field rides and kiss alot of arse at meetings to stay ahead.

i pull in 83k plus bonus at pfizer then another 38k at a generic company w/a car allowance that i use for my bills/groceries..e tc..

poster # 31,

same rep AAAAAgain here. I do appreciate the help. Are you sure about the Feb. 6th date though? Did you really ask your DM about that? I have tried with my DM, but have got know answers!! So, all i would have to officially work up until is Feb. 6th, then resign, and then still be able to get the package??? Am I off here?? Anyone? Thanks.

Now more conflicting facts!!! WHAT IS IT?????????



Can anyone Please CLARIFY ON HERE??

What Date can we Accept a Job with another Company and Still Receive the Package???

Feb. 6th and beyond or

Feb. 27th and beyond.................


PLEASE ANYONE...I can't get anything from my current DM. Thx

Fact from an RM (not placed):
2/27 is the date which you can start working for another company and not have it effect your severance. If you start working on that date for another company you WILL lose the remaining WARN notice pay (2/27-4/27), but you will get your severance.
You do not have to "give notice" if you are being laid off. If you start a new job on 2/27 simply call HR and tell them. They will stop your Pfizer WARN pay on that date. I do NOT know whether you get your severance sooner or if you will still get it with the people who do not start new jobs in mid-May.
Facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fact from an RM (not placed):
2/27 is the date which you can start working for another company and not have it effect your severance. If you start working on that date for another company you WILL lose the remaining WARN notice pay (2/27-4/27), but you will get your severance.
You do not have to "give notice" if you are being laid off. If you start a new job on 2/27 simply call HR and tell them. They will stop your Pfizer WARN pay on that date. I do NOT know whether you get your severance sooner or if you will still get it with the people who do not start new jobs in mid-May.
Facts.

thank you very very much. I still don't understand why this hasn't been formally communicated but really appreciate your info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that the vista reps are getting the opportunity to go full time and dilute our selection process possibly bumping one of us who works and has worked that territory full time?

Yes, it's true. VISTA reps were full time reps at one time. It has nothing to do with "the time" but everything to do with THE RIGHT PERSON!

That VISTA rep that you "dog" most likely works harder than YOU. Again, it's not about whether or not you are full or part-time, it has to do with your character and attitude.

I saw this on another post and would like more to see it. As rep during the last cut and the previous cut all I wished for was there to be local imput. At least this time we have it and from what it sounds like is it has a lot of weight to it for the criteria.


just a rep here, not a DM, but let me just say that I am glad the dm ranking is part of who stays and who goes!

its about time that the dm's do us all a favor and get rid of the whiners and complainers! here's a note - they are a pain in our butts also!

these people have a negative comment about everything! they've never heard a selling message they like, never been to a meeting that shouldn't have been held, never had a free meal on pfizer that wasn't at the wrong time for them, never been thru a presentation where they've ever learned anything, and the list goes on and on

you get the feeling around these people that not only do they disrepect anyone who might have the title of DM, but they also disrespect everyone else behind their back. You also get the feeling that the only person who knows anything about any kind of selling is THEM.

funny how these experts never leave on their own and take all the knowledge and start a successful business on their own! But, who would they critique???

they like to earn 100k from a company, while all the time tearing down anyone who may have a position above them or anyone (like myself) who might actually be grateful for the job and actually do what's asked of them

hey all you complainers - do you think that anyone who actually works side by side with you and sees how you operate would ever recommend you or actually hire you???? who really wants to work with you???? yes, we know you have your groups that you hang out with and gossip together, but guaranteed your group would be unsuccessful in any business venture.

so i am glad dm's got to rank people based on things other than gar success. let's hope the complainers are moved out.

are you guys as hard to get along with at home as you are in your 100k job?

whos going and whos staying?? Tick-Tock...let the countdown begin.

I still need an idea how i can make it all the way up to Feb. 27th without working, so I can stil get the package....since I will be working for another company. Any ideas would be appreciated. I dont have enough vaca time...so that wont work....anything??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whos going and whos staying?? Tick-Tock...let the countdown begin.

I still need an idea how i can make it all the way up to Feb. 27th without working, so I can stil get the package....since I will be working for another company. Any ideas would be appreciated. I dont have enough vaca time...so that wont work....anything??

Do you have any First in Class days, 2.8 Excellerate Days, any of those contest days may help you. Floater days, Presidents Day, MLK Day, Did you work Jan 2nd? That is about 10 days total! Sick Days too, personal days, old share the care days!

Jury Duty...could that be your ticket. Get called for Jury Duty! You are set either way! You have to go!

Former Pfizer rep here from years ago. I'm truly sorry for all the people out in the field who are being laid off (especially in this crappy economy).

Are these the cuts mentioned in previous announcements by PFE or new blood in the water? Didn't see anything hit the newswire over the last week, so I'm assuming the former.

A friend of mine called the courthouse last week to let them know they were available for Jury Duty on ________ date. They said fine and issued the paperwork. Even said that date worked out best with their work situation. (her office was going to be closed for a few days...thought she would put in some civic duty for those days)

Jury Duty huh?? I hear ya. Amazing call. Another question for the DM.......How Hard do you think HR is going to try and look to see if someone who got the package is working somewhere else? Very important. Thanks

Good Luck to all you Drones that have NEVER SOLD ONE SINGLE THING since you have been at Pfizer. Good luck and Good-Bye!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Former Pfizer rep here from years ago. I'm truly sorry for all the people out in the field who are being laid off (especially in this crappy economy).

Are these the cuts mentioned in previous announcements by PFE or new blood in the water? Didn't see anything hit the newswire over the last week, so I'm assuming the former.

New blood in the water. Pfizer probably won't publicly announce layoff news to the wires until they've notified the entire sales force. They've given us slides as to how few of us will be working in the territories, they just refuse to use the "L" word.

Suggesting a massive layoff in the sales force will give investors the idea that pfizer has nothing coming out of its pipeline. No future revenue to replace Lip. LOE

insanity

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Relax-

HR has no way of finding out if you have already taken another job. Just take the other job and dont worry about anything else. Absolutely NO WAY of knowing. I know 2 different people that had already taken new jobs in 2006 and none of them were ever found out.

Also, I clarified with my DM, you CAN take a job on FEB 7- and not lose your severance. The only thing you will lose is the opportunity to get your Q1 Bonus.

Good luck.

Holy shit is this bad info. What world do you live in that HR cannot find out if you're receiving a paycheck from another company? Of course they can. You still work for Pfizer until the end of April regardless of what happens. They are paying your salary and 100% reserve the right to do a background check on you whenever they feel the need.

When you took your job at Pfizer they asked for your employment history to confirm your work history. They checked to make sure you weren't lying. A new company will do the same and when they inquire to Pfizer and Pfizer says "That person is still employed here" you will lose your severance at Pfizer AND you'll probably lose your new job.....

AND NO YOU CANNOT TAKE A JOB PRIOR TO THE WARN PERIOD AND GET YOUR SEVERANCE. YOUR DM DOESN'T MAKE THE RULES. CALL HR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whos going and whos staying?? Tick-Tock...let the countdown begin.

I still need an idea how i can make it all the way up to Feb. 27th without working, so I can stil get the package....since I will be working for another company. Any ideas would be appreciated. I dont have enough vaca time...so that wont work....anything??

Guy, this has gone on long enough. You cannot be this stupid.

It makes no difference what happens on the Pfizer end of this issue. Pfizer will still be employing you and paying you if you take days off, use applause days, go on jury duty, whatever. YOU ARE A PFIZER EMPLOYEE UNTIL THE WARN PERIOD BEGINS!!!!! If you take another job before this warn period begins you will lose your severance.

What part of this could you possibly not understand.