Testopel - Nebido competitor

http://www.testopel.com/patient/test...mmon-questions


Great....more competition.

This drug has already been on the market and none of my docs are interested. No worries!

It is a piece of shit product that does not get sufficient levels unless you put 10 pellets in. The product is also inserted with a trocar which is about as thick as a bar straw. nebido should be more worried about MC coverage which is going to be very tough when there are already adequate products on the market.

Feel it will be tough to get additional procedure funded through MC when like products with similiar results are available.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Feel it will be tough to get additional procedure funded through MC when like products with similiar results are available.

100 percent correct. No managed care coverage means that Nebido might get 5% of the market. There is also a better that 50% chance it wont get approved.

SSSShhhhhhhh! Dont tell anyone , but its covered and the doctors actually make money!!! That is a crazy concept, isnt it bitches!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SSSShhhhhhhh! Dont tell anyone , but its covered and the doctors actually make money!!! That is a crazy concept, isnt it bitches!!!!!

So it's covered before it's launched. Boy, that's amazing. How's that bridge your gonna be selling comin along?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it's covered before it's launched. Boy, that's amazing. How's that bridge your gonna be selling comin along?

Hey dipstick - they were talking about Testopel being covered already.

Is it true that Slate Pharma/Norgenix is recruting Indevus uro reps and offering them management postions and higher base pays? They want to have a huge relaunch.

you are all a bunch of jerkoffs. Leave this site now !

we are a bunch of jerkoffs and since you are a jerkon, best be careful who yo be hangin wit bro !

When will Nebido be on the market?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will Nebido be on the market?

2011

Thanks for helping me....I am interviewing with Slate and wondering how hard is this sell? Car included? Does the rep go into the procedure with the doc? Scrubs or suit? Thanks so much.

It is not a surgery numbnuts, done in office. You don't need to go buy a set of scrubs unless you want to wear them around and try to get people to think you are a surgeon. If you are interviewing with COO from Norgenix biggest unprofessional prick in the industry. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for helping me....I am interviewing with Slate and wondering how hard is this sell? Car included? Does the rep go into the procedure with the doc? Scrubs or suit? Thanks so much.

Appears to be a win/win in that it's in the best interest of both the patient (efficacy and convenience) and physician (generates revenue), so to me that equates to a pretty simple sales process. Also, there's technique involved in implantation, so observing should be a key to not only educate, but to identify additional potential Testopel candidates. Finally, from my understanding it's a car allowance - don't know at this point what the actual amount is though.

What part of the country are you interviewing for?

Listen-they need 2.7mm just to market this product. Doesn't it make you think that they are going nowhere fast? Besides, I know the Director of Field Hiring. He is a total idiot and incompetant. Faliled miserably in several of his last companies...yes several. this guy has been all over the place. Stay away and do't worry about this product!

Did Norgenix & Slate break their co-promotion agreement?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Norgenix & Slate break their co-promotion agreement?

Yes.

Norgenix is a joke and so is Brad Testerman who is the hiring guy. The company and that guy are incredibly unprofessional. I interviewed and couldn't believe what a joke it was- I still don't have a job nor would I take one selling Testopel for that company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Norgenix is a joke and so is Brad Testerman who is the hiring guy. The company and that guy are incredibly unprofessional. I interviewed and couldn't believe what a joke it was- I still don't have a job nor would I take one selling Testopel for that company.

Slate is now the sole promoter of Testopel = no more Norgenix.

Any target date on Nebido approval in 2011.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any target date on Nebido approval in 2011.

that would be good to know, huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that would be good to know, huh?

when was the original launch date?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

when was the original launch date?

Was supposed to be launched in November/December 2009. I've heard a wide variety of opinions on the subject of Nebido's approval - anywhere from 1st quarter 2012 to potentially NEVER being approved. Either way, it still won't measure up (length of sustained levels) to the new gold standard in TRP, which any reputable URO or Endo would tell you is Testopel. You name any KOL in Urology that's nationally known and I'll bet you anything that he/she uses Testopel with the majority of their T patients!

Here's some interesting news regarding the "NEW GOLD STANDARD" (nice try Paul/Paal)

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcement.../ucm208007.htm

STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY!!! Missing payroll, no real leadership, terrible customer service =ing customers going bye - bye fast!!!.

Later.

PS. website's kinda bare????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's some interesting news regarding the "NEW GOLD STANDARD" (nice try Paul/Paal)

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcement.../ucm208007.htm

STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY!!! Missing payroll, no real leadership, terrible customer service =ing customers going bye - bye fast!!!.

Later.

PS. website's kinda bare????

You're funny....so there was some confusion surrounding ONE detail aid and a video clip, which clouded a few minds on the actual benefits of Testopel. Big deal. Everything has been updated so that it's a little clearer for those who allow their minds to wander and all of the sudden come to the conclusion that this stuff cures cancer. Missing payroll? WTF are you even talking about??? I know that my paychecks have been 100% correct since day one. The leadership is SOLID - this "business opportunity" was presented to every single employee during the interview process. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day everyone knows what the leadership team is trying to accomplish and was savvy enough to realize the unbelievable potential this opportunity possessed! Finally, the website is that way on PURPOSE, and not for the reason(s) I'm sure you're thinking of, trust me.

Bottom line, which I understand isn't easy for a person that wasn't invited to come aboard to accept, is that Testopel IS INDEED the new GOLD STANDARD whether you choose to accept it or not. And hell, don't take my word for it - just go ask any reputable URO and I bet 99% of the time the answer will be the same as mine.

Late.

Ha! Sounds super defensive. I interview with their sales director, what a joke! You know someones drinking cool aid when they can't state ONE challenge they face with the product. Listen Slate, I did my OWN research with MY doctors and you know what? The ones that use it wait months to get reimbursed and have a very difficult time getting assistance from your company. They say the product works well with a doZen pellets, providing they don't come back out of the surgery site. Not to mention the ones that used it for years laughed at the idea of using it when the price went from $20 to 60 for each pellet. 300% increase sounds like someone wants to rip off soca! Anyway, glad I didn't go with this company. Selling a prescription product isn't as bad as selling snake oil.

Yeah, and what company takes all of the bells and whistles out of their web site without a warning. Face it, your company is unethical and will sell/say anything just to make a buck. Put the coolaid down and get the empower some new clothes!

Regards,

able to sleep at night

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ha! Sounds super defensive. I interview with their sales director, what a joke! You know someones drinking cool aid when they can't state ONE challenge they face with the product. Listen Slate, I did my OWN research with MY doctors and you know what? The ones that use it wait months to get reimbursed and have a very difficult time getting assistance from your company. They say the product works well with a doZen pellets, providing they don't come back out of the surgery site. Not to mention the ones that used it for years laughed at the idea of using it when the price went from $20 to 60 for each pellet. 300% increase sounds like someone wants to rip off soca! Anyway, glad I didn't go with this company. Selling a prescription product isn't as bad as selling snake oil.

Yeah, and what company takes all of the bells and whistles out of their web site without a warning. Face it, your company is unethical and will sell/say anything just to make a buck. Put the coolaid down and get the empower some new clothes!

Regards,

able to sleep at night

It's blatantly obvious you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. It's either that or simply a disgruntled candidate who didn't make the cut. Here are a few aspects of the company in list form - I'm sure everyone who reads this will be able to put two and two together and see just how moronic you are.

1. Challenge? Awareness
2. Research on product? 10 years calling on URO's and doc's saying things like "I haven't been this excited about anything since the launch of Viagra.
3. Reimbursement time/assistance (funniest one by the way)? Full department dedicated solely to verifying Testopel candidates insurance on behalf of the physicians office - results in a couple of days and full payment to office within approx 30 days.
4. Price? About 1/2 the cost of the gels and the added bonus of establishing a business partnership with physicians/offices (psst this product generates revenue for the physician).

Hmmmmm, lets see here....build revenue AND make life MUCH easier for the patient...uh, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what therapy 99% of ACCURATELY INFORMED physicians/patients would favor here.

Bye bye now...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's blatantly obvious you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. It's either that or simply a disgruntled candidate who didn't make the cut. Here are a few aspects of the company in list form - I'm sure everyone who reads this will be able to put two and two together and see just how moronic you are.

1. Challenge? Awareness
2. Research on product? 10 years calling on URO's and doc's saying things like "I haven't been this excited about anything since the launch of Viagra.
3. Reimbursement time/assistance (funniest one by the way)? Full department dedicated solely to verifying Testopel candidates insurance on behalf of the physicians office - results in a couple of days and full payment to office within approx 30 days.
4. Price? About 1/2 the cost of the gels and the added bonus of establishing a business partnership with physicians/offices (psst this product generates revenue for the physician).

Hmmmmm, lets see here....build revenue AND make life MUCH easier for the patient...uh, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what therapy 99% of ACCURATELY INFORMED physicians/patients would favor here.

Bye bye now...

Here's the deal. I AM a physician and I HAVE used this product. As a stand alone it does offer a long duration compared to the other modalities (3 months average, not 6). From that standpoint it offers some patients an alternative to their current therapy but I wouldn't call it the gold standard. And another thing Testopel rep: when you say that every credible Urologist is using the product you've basically said that every one that hasn't used it is not credible. Be careful. We read these sites from time to time and I don't think you need to be making judgment calls and determining what constitutes "credible Uro". Let me ask you this, can you walk into my office and do what I do? No you can't. While your company is responsible for telling you if you're qualified or not the state medical board and 10+years of schooling tells me I am. Since you did tick me off I'll also say two things in list form since thats what you seem to like:
* It takes 60 - 120 days to be reimbursed...FACT! Your fully dedicated company is a phone number and a different person 75% of the time. They tell you one thing to get you to buy the product and guess what happens after the procedure is done? "Well the insurance company made a mistake, let me handle the appeal process for your office" and what you don't realize yet is that this takes another 60 - 90 days! So get your FACTS straight. I assume you're new to the company. Wait until you get some experience.

* Cost? Patients pay a co-pay with your product as well (often times a deductible needs to be met which can be as much as $4000). And pssst, I wouldn't sell the spread on your product......

Good luck and don't pin physicians as a bunch of idiots if they don't use your products.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here's the deal. I AM a physician and I HAVE used this product. As a stand alone it does offer a long duration compared to the other modalities (3 months average, not 6). From that standpoint it offers some patients an alternative to their current therapy but I wouldn't call it the gold standard. And another thing Testopel rep: when you say that every credible Urologist is using the product you've basically said that every one that hasn't used it is not credible. Be careful. We read these sites from time to time and I don't think you need to be making judgment calls and determining what constitutes "credible Uro". Let me ask you this, can you walk into my office and do what I do? No you can't. While your company is responsible for telling you if you're qualified or not the state medical board and 10+years of schooling tells me I am. Since you did tick me off I'll also say two things in list form since thats what you seem to like:
* It takes 60 - 120 days to be reimbursed...FACT! Your fully dedicated company is a phone number and a different person 75% of the time. They tell you one thing to get you to buy the product and guess what happens after the procedure is done? "Well the insurance company made a mistake, let me handle the appeal process for your office" and what you don't realize yet is that this takes another 60 - 90 days! So get your FACTS straight. I assume you're new to the company. Wait until you get some experience.

* Cost? Patients pay a co-pay with your product as well (often times a deductible needs to be met which can be as much as $4000). And pssst, I wouldn't sell the spread on your product......

Good luck and don't pin physicians as a bunch of idiots if they don't use your products.

Ah, the big bad physician - am I supposed to be intimidated?

A few points of clarification for you doctor:

1. I should have preceded credible with 'informed' - I realize that there are a lot of solid physicians out there who for whatever reason have never heard about this therapy.

2. 60-120 days is NOT fact - PERIOD. Does it sometimes take that long? Of course. It's no different than any other product except we actually do the leg work FOR YOU, so why are you so worked up over it anyway? The average turn around time right now is between 30-45 days in most cases. PLUS, we offer accounts 90 terms, which in turn does some serious damage to your argument.

3. Yes, some patients (mostly Medicare) have a co-pay with Testopel, but the majority do NOT. Why? It's because Testopel is considered a medical benefit, not a pharmacy benefit. Last I checked a pharmacy script requires a MONTHLY co-pay for the patient. Hell, I don't know about you, but I'd MUCH rather have to cough up a co-pay 3 times a year or not at all vs. every single month! Also, for all of about 15 minutes of your time, what else can you do in your office that will pay you more? Answer, almost NOTHING. AND, how much does writing that PHARMACY SCRIPT pay you, huh? That's right, a big fat GOOSE EGG every single time. Hmmmmm...that payment is starting to sound a little better now, eh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was supposed to be launched in November/December 2009. I've heard a wide variety of opinions on the subject of Nebido's approval - anywhere from 1st quarter 2012 to potentially NEVER being approved. Either way, it still won't measure up (length of sustained levels) to the new gold standard in TRP, which any reputable URO or Endo would tell you is Testopel. You name any KOL in Urology that's nationally known and I'll bet you anything that he/she uses Testopel with the majority of their T patients!

You = Clueless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're funny....so there was some confusion surrounding ONE detail aid and a video clip, which clouded a few minds on the actual benefits of Testopel. Big deal. Everything has been updated so that it's a little clearer for those who allow their minds to wander and all of the sudden come to the conclusion that this stuff cures cancer. Missing payroll? WTF are you even talking about??? I know that my paychecks have been 100% correct since day one. The leadership is SOLID - this "business opportunity" was presented to every single employee during the interview process. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day everyone knows what the leadership team is trying to accomplish and was savvy enough to realize the unbelievable potential this opportunity possessed! Finally, the website is that way on PURPOSE, and not for the reason(s) I'm sure you're thinking of, trust me.

Bottom line, which I understand isn't easy for a person that wasn't invited to come aboard to accept, is that Testopel IS INDEED the new GOLD STANDARD whether you choose to accept it or not. And hell, don't take my word for it - just go ask any reputable URO and I bet 99% of the time the answer will be the same as mine.

Late.

Ha, what a laugh. Bob Shithead was fired from Elan because he was screwing his Director of Communications. He was fired from Prometheus, fired from Zymo, Fired from Elan and fired from Auxilium. All facts that you just need to look up. It wont be long before he gets in trouble with DOJ or OIG. The guy is a loser and will take you down with him. Sounds like he might have already done so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ha, what a laugh. Bob Shithead was fired from Elan because he was screwing his Director of Communications. He was fired from Prometheus, fired from Zymo, Fired from Elan and fired from Auxilium. All facts that you just need to look up. It wont be long before he gets in trouble with DOJ or OIG. The guy is a loser and will take you down with him. Sounds like he might have already done so.

Fired from Solvay too. Co promotion with Norgenix ended because Shithead lied to them too. Bad guy. One of the sleaziest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You = Clueless

You=dumbass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You=dumbass.

Um....I think you're the dumb ass. The bottom line is that you work for a bunch of sleazes that sold you a bill of goods and you still haven't realized it. If you're management, and I'd bet you are, you know your ship is sinkin! Your CEO and trophy skank are scam artists, plain and simple. I fell for the BS "business opportunity". Here's the real situation. I worked for these people and they only care about the cash. (Incidently they DO have money problems and did when I was there over 7 months ago.). If you take a job here your goals will be based on existing business that you're expected to grow by an unrealistic margin. (Maybe 2 people there ever hit numbers) very unethical as well. This product is indicated for male hypo gonadism and I received specific instructions on how to direct Drs to use it in females. They'll be shurt down shortly...go bag groceries instead of working here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Um....I think you're the dumb ass. The bottom line is that you work for a bunch of sleazes that sold you a bill of goods and you still haven't realized it. If you're management, and I'd bet you are, you know your ship is sinkin! Your CEO and trophy skank are scam artists, plain and simple. I fell for the BS "business opportunity". Here's the real situation. I worked for these people and they only care about the cash. (Incidently they DO have money problems and did when I was there over 7 months ago.). If you take a job here your goals will be based on existing business that you're expected to grow by an unrealistic margin. (Maybe 2 people there ever hit numbers) very unethical as well. This product is indicated for male hypo gonadism and I received specific instructions on how to direct Drs to use it in females. They'll be shurt down shortly...go bag groceries instead of working here!

I could not have said it better. Classless leadership and unethical behavior. The only thing Slate has going for it is Cindy. Nice rack and I tapped that back in San Diego. Very sweet.

two offices in Texas were contacted my Medicare Fraud unit. Seems that Testopel was instructing doctors on how to manipulate the spread on pricing. Trouble ahead...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

two offices in Texas were contacted my Medicare Fraud unit. Seems that Testopel was instructing doctors on how to manipulate the spread on pricing. Trouble ahead...

WTF? You are a complete MORON - Testopel isn't even covered by Medicare in Texas! Damn, pokes a few holes in your story now doesn't it...

I know, I know...it SUX getting your ass kicked!

what's a matter whitehead, feeling the pressure youn scumbag!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2. Research on product? 10 years calling on URO's and doc's saying things like "I haven't been this excited about anything since the launch of Viagra.

Among urologists, Dr. Morgentaler's ego is legendary, his biases are well known, his testimonials are suspect. It's noteworthy that our residents were discouraged from attending his dinner lectures when it was discovered his speaking fees exceeded $3,500 plus travel.

Testopel might be a good product. It's just as probable that Dr. Morgentaler's endorsement is because he's not getting as much money from other testosterone companies. Companies tend to turn off the faucet when egos get too big.

Tell some useful information instead of this posturing. Who else is a nationally recognized urologist that will endorse Testopel? What is the reimbursement for the 15 minute surgical procedure?

You can get Testosterone pellets that work better than testopelt at anazaohealth.com and is covered by all insurances except Medicare. We pay $17 a pellet v.s $60. No prob with getting paid.

Thought the S code for 75mg t pellets can only be used be used for testopel, not pellets from a compound pharmacy. Anyone know more about this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can get Testosterone pellets that work better than testopelt at anazaohealth.com and is covered by all insurances except Medicare. We pay $17 a pellet v.s $60. No prob with getting paid.

I wonder how well the doc at your practice sleeps every night knowing they are 100% liable for any patient reaction to these NON FDA APPROVED pellets that you speak of. Wow, with no FDA APPROVAL there's NO TELLING what these scam artists are putting in them! The doc at your practice is a complete MORON, and it's sad that because of that he's putting his patients health at risk EVERY day!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the S code for 75mg t pellets can only be used be used for testopel, not pellets from a compound pharmacy. Anyone know more about this?

You are 100% correct, and if these scam artists are using the S code for their mystery pellets then it's just a matter of time before they are shut down completely...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the S code for 75mg t pellets can only be used be used for testopel, not pellets from a compound pharmacy. Anyone know more about this?

T

PLEASE! Do your homework. The S code is not specific to testopel it's more of an unspecific number. Speaking of unspecific, don't you think it's a bit sketchy when YOUR product has been "re-released" over 5 years ago and you STILL have no J CODE? Your companies leadership is suspect! Website is BARE! Product hard to get now.... they'll be gone by June 2011. GET OUT NOW! Oh yeah, F.U.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

T

PLEASE! Do your homework. The S code is not specific to testopel it's more of an unspecific number. Speaking of unspecific, don't you think it's a bit sketchy when YOUR product has been "re-released" over 5 years ago and you STILL have no J CODE? Your companies leadership is suspect! Website is BARE! Product hard to get now.... they'll be gone by June 2011. GET OUT NOW! Oh yeah, F.U.

Really? Look DUMBASS, no matter how you look at it, with Testopel being the ONLY FDA APPROVED TESTOSTERONE PELLET on the market the S0189 is applicable ONLY to Testopel. The "re-release" was NOT 5 years ago - do YOUR fucking homework moron! New website with a TON of info will be released within the next week. Product is as easy as EVER to get - testopel.com, slatepharma.com, toll free number for phone orders listed on both websites, email addresses listed on website to send electronically, fax number listed as well. That enough ways for you to "get" it now?

Go back into your hole and think of a better approach next time ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can get Testosterone pellets that work better than testopelt at anazaohealth.com and is covered by all insurances except Medicare. We pay $17 a pellet v.s $60. No prob with getting paid.

anazaohealth is total joke and not worth the hassle of dealing with them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are 100% correct, and if these scam artists are using the S code for their mystery pellets then it's just a matter of time before they are shut down completely...

Agreed...The S code is specific to Testopel 75mg pellets. They are THE ONLY FDA approved testosterone pellet on the market. Compounding pharamacies can only make products that are patient specific, meaning if the dosage they need is not available or the need more or less concentration of a specific drug. They cannot reproduce the same type of product approved by FDA. They also cannot bill these products because managed care does not cover products not approved by FDA. If they are and the doctor is billing the patient's insurance you have just committed healthcare fraud my friend.
THink about it this way, if something went wrong side effect wise with a patient and the doctor billed using the S code for Testopel, but he did not use Testopel and instead used compounded pellets that patient cannot sue Testopel, however guarantee that physician would lie and said he did. Remember you always have rights as a patient if you use an FDA approved product. Use compunded and it is not always the case. Besides who wants anything created in some back room not having to pass an FDA manufacturing center test.

(started reading this thread while sitting on couch after getting testopel procedure 6 hours ago.... now worried.)