Reps with big salaries - Run

It is very clear by the conference call today that Lilly will be shedding big salaries and reps who have been coasting on their big salaries. They said this will be the first time that "performance" will be taken in to consideration. If they get rid of 300 reps that are the newest and the lowest salaries that doesn't do a whole lot. If you've been here 5+ years, take the generous severance and run! Or else be stuck with 2 months.

What conference call were you listening to??!! From the sounds of it that's what you wish you heard. There's nothing generous about an extra four months unless you've got the points to retire. Someday, if you're lucky, and you get to put your time in and perform your salary might get "big". It's the lowest and newest that drove our customers to cry "uncle" when we hired too many of you in years past! One more warm body to deliver lunch & Starbucks.

Don't let your insecurity and envy derail you. Regardless of your salary, if you perform and their ROI from you is worth keeping you around you'll have a job. Now just decide or wake up and sell something tomorrow!

There is no doubt that the above post represents the typical "holy'er than thow" Lilly Rep that has been here for years, who also has no shot of getting a job at another pharma company. The truth is very simple, the younger, more vibrant Rep's that are both competitive and exciting are far more coveted by our Doc's than the scum bag oldsters that continue detailing like it was 1985.

The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore. Old Lilly Rep's (Pharm D or not) are THEEE most devalued dinasours on the pharma planet, and this company has finally woken up to that fact. It was more clear than ever on Conterno's call that old, underperforming, OVER PAID pieces of garbage will be eliminated. Something pharma companies have been doing for years. Thank heavens Lilly is finally waking up to that fact.

Simple math, get rid of 150-200 old ass bags making $105,000-$150,000 out of the 400 = huge cost savings. Add the $1.6 billion Zyprexa loss and there is no doubt the dinasours will be hunted and snuffed out this time around. Seniority will mean 0 this time, take the money or get shafted Old Fucks who cannot adapt to pharma selling post 85'.

you need to take some perspective and look at why lilly is cutting back its sales force. bottom line lilly is cutting costs. those who will get cut will be both tenure reps as well as new reps, lilly will have to do this to avoid discrimination lawsuites. the layoffs will all be based on ranking. if you are in the bottom 20% start looking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no doubt that the above post represents the typical "holy'er than thow" Lilly Rep that has been here for years, who also has no shot of getting a job at another pharma company. The truth is very simple, the younger, more vibrant Rep's that are both competitive and exciting are far more coveted by our Doc's than the scum bag oldsters that continue detailing like it was 1985.

The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore. Old Lilly Rep's (Pharm D or not) are THEEE most devalued dinasours on the pharma planet, and this company has finally woken up to that fact. It was more clear than ever on Conterno's call that old, underperforming, OVER PAID pieces of garbage will be eliminated. Something pharma companies have been doing for years. Thank heavens Lilly is finally waking up to that fact.

Simple math, get rid of 150-200 old ass bags making $105,000-$150,000 out of the 400 = huge cost savings. Add the $1.6 billion Zyprexa loss and there is no doubt the dinasours will be hunted and snuffed out this time around. Seniority will mean 0 this time, take the money or get shafted Old Fucks who cannot adapt to pharma selling post 85'.

I've never seen a post that better shows the problems with this industry. Another idiot, youthful Ken or Barbie.

"The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore."

What a fucking joke! Probably just left selling copiers or cell phones, but now they are an attractive, fun loving medical expert!!!!!

Just the kind of person you want informing the doctor that will treat you and your family. This industry is doomed with such stupidity being hired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no doubt that the above post represents the typical "holy'er than thow" Lilly Rep that has been here for years, who also has no shot of getting a job at another pharma company. The truth is very simple, the younger, more vibrant Rep's that are both competitive and exciting are far more coveted by our Doc's than the scum bag oldsters that continue detailing like it was 1985.

The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore. Old Lilly Rep's (Pharm D or not) are THEEE most devalued dinasours on the pharma planet, and this company has finally woken up to that fact. It was more clear than ever on Conterno's call that old, underperforming, OVER PAID pieces of garbage will be eliminated. Something pharma companies have been doing for years. Thank heavens Lilly is finally waking up to that fact.

Simple math, get rid of 150-200 old ass bags making $105,000-$150,000 out of the 400 = huge cost savings. Add the $1.6 billion Zyprexa loss and there is no doubt the dinasours will be hunted and snuffed out this time around. Seniority will mean 0 this time, take the money or get shafted Old Fucks who cannot adapt to pharma selling post 85'.

OMG - oldster here. Doc's don't prefer "younger reps" - in fact when you leave the office, we laugh at your entitlement attitudes, unprofessional dress and naivete about products and industry.

To refer to human beings as pieces of garbage, old asses, dinosaurs, etc, is disgusting, and does not reflect well on the medical care industry. If you say this about colleagues, what do you say about physicians (60 yrs+) or the patients they treat (elderly 75 yrs+). Lack of respect for people of various ages is hard to hide and carries through in a salescall.

What good is a new rep at 55,000 yr if she/he costs a company several customers and millions in lost revenue from immaturity and lack of decency? Very few companies who restructure let go all tenured reps and keep new ones, and vice versa.

It will be the reps who can best get company to next level, old and new, who will be kept.

(PS - young not necessarily better looking. Halle Berry 42, Chris Evert 52, Brad Pitt 45, Denzel Washington 54, all prove this)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is very clear by the conference call today that Lilly will be shedding big salaries and reps who have been coasting on their big salaries. They said this will be the first time that "performance" will be taken in to consideration. If they get rid of 300 reps that are the newest and the lowest salaries that doesn't do a whole lot. If you've been here 5+ years, take the generous severance and run! Or else be stuck with 2 months.

There is no way performance will be taken into consideration. HR at Lilly could not spell performance if its life depended on it. The fact that Lilly has moved away from being a performance driven company many moons ago (Hello, Sidney----more lasting impact) makes it totally impossible to take performance into consideration. Most of the performers have left the company years ago and the few that are left hopefully can retire.

Well it is those so called "DINOSAURS" that sold and kept the company alive while you were still shitting your diaper. Thank those people for what they did to have a company alive for your young vibrant cocky narcistic ass to gain employment!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no doubt that the above post represents the typical "holy'er than thow" Lilly Rep that has been here for years, who also has no shot of getting a job at another pharma company. The truth is very simple, the younger, more vibrant Rep's that are both competitive and exciting are far more coveted by our Doc's than the scum bag oldsters that continue detailing like it was 1985.

The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore. Old Lilly Rep's (Pharm D or not) are THEEE most devalued dinasours on the pharma planet, and this company has finally woken up to that fact. It was more clear than ever on Conterno's call that old, underperforming, OVER PAID pieces of garbage will be eliminated. Something pharma companies have been doing for years. Thank heavens Lilly is finally waking up to that fact.

Simple math, get rid of 150-200 old ass bags making $105,000-$150,000 out of the 400 = huge cost savings. Add the $1.6 billion Zyprexa loss and there is no doubt the dinasours will be hunted and snuffed out this time around. Seniority will mean 0 this time, take the money or get shafted Old Fucks who cannot adapt to pharma selling post 85'.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it is those so called "DINOSAURS" that sold and kept the company alive while you were still shitting your diaper. Thank those people for what they did to have a company alive for your young vibrant cocky narcistic ass to gain employment!!!!

What's funny is that most of the young reps out there probably couldn't do the job the vets did back in the day, when you were actually able to wine and dine customers, build real relationships, and know who the real movers and shakers in their territory were and take advantage of that knowledge.

Today's pharmaceutical rep is little more than a sample dropper, caterer, and message puker. Sorry to say, but any halfway intelligent high school grad could do our jobs. So yes, many of us are overpaid but it's a function of not being able to do a tenth of what we used to do to get the business.

The sales representative position has and always be an entry-level position meant for those wanting to begin a career in pharma. If you are over 30 and in a sales position, your management needs to ensure you have a development plan that will enable you to be marketable in the pharma industry as you mature. It is unacceptable to allow someone to pigeon hole themselves in a sales position and ride it through to retirement. Those who have made themselves comfy by doing the same thing over and over year after year are just the type of dead weight that has jeopardized the future of Lilly.

The future with Lilly doesn't include you asshole!! Now where is my pizza?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sales representative position has and always be an entry-level position meant for those wanting to begin a career in pharma. If you are over 30 and in a sales position, your management needs to ensure you have a development plan that will enable you to be marketable in the pharma industry as you mature. It is unacceptable to allow someone to pigeon hole themselves in a sales position and ride it through to retirement. Those who have made themselves comfy by doing the same thing over and over year after year are just the type of dead weight that has jeopardized the future of Lilly.

p.s. I have no idea what i am talking about.

you are a moron with little understanding of how large corporations work. Without an effective sales force there will be few jobs, if any at corporate to progress into.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are a moron with little understanding of how large corporations work. Without an effective sales force there will be few jobs, if any at corporate to progress into.

Hmmmm, little understanding? I started as a sales rep. but was smart enough to move on before the buyout. I think I know how the system works and am smart enough to take advantage of it. I'll have a career here, but it won't be in sales.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's funny is that most of the young reps out there probably couldn't do the job the vets did back in the day, when you were actually able to wine and dine customers, build real relationships, and know who the real movers and shakers in their territory were and take advantage of that knowledge.

Today's pharmaceutical rep is little more than a sample dropper, caterer, and message puker. Sorry to say, but any halfway intelligent high school grad could do our jobs. So yes, many of us are overpaid but it's a function of not being able to do a tenth of what we used to do to get the business.

haha you gotta be kidding yourself. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you really think your physicians would rather go out with some old sales rep over a younger more attractive one? Do you think younger rep's don't know how to build relationships? What do you think we did in college? I have over 900 facebook friends- trust me I know a thing or two about relationships. And I guarantee I do more dinner programs then anyone in this company- I get my Dr.'s out. And why- because they like me. Do you think they come out for the content? Do you think I have the highest market share with Cymbalta because our studies show we are better then our competitors? I have the highest market share because my Dr.'s like me and because of that they are open to trying my drug in patients. And when they see the same results as other products they continue to write my product.

Good luck to all the people over 40 that are still sales rep's. One you probably aren't very good at your job or you would be promoted. Two you aren't very ambitious because you are still a sales rep in a very easy job. And Three good luck getting hired by another company- when it comes down to a young person vs. an old person the young person wins most of the time. And that is a fact jack!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no doubt that the above post represents the typical "holy'er than thow" Lilly Rep that has been here for years, who also has no shot of getting a job at another pharma company. The truth is very simple, the younger, more vibrant Rep's that are both competitive and exciting are far more coveted by our Doc's than the scum bag oldsters that continue detailing like it was 1985.

The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore. Old Lilly Rep's (Pharm D or not) are THEEE most devalued dinasours on the pharma planet, and this company has finally woken up to that fact. It was more clear than ever on Conterno's call that old, underperforming, OVER PAID pieces of garbage will be eliminated. Something pharma companies have been doing for years. Thank heavens Lilly is finally waking up to that fact.

Simple math, get rid of 150-200 old ass bags making $105,000-$150,000 out of the 400 = huge cost savings. Add the $1.6 billion Zyprexa loss and there is no doubt the dinasours will be hunted and snuffed out this time around. Seniority will mean 0 this time, take the money or get shafted Old Fucks who cannot adapt to pharma selling post 85'.

Sorry Snuffy but you are wrong on both ends, First the old and new are way over paid, and all that other garbage is just enormous ego garbage. Hope it works in your new job. I would be you had better plan on a pay cut, dont you think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sales representative position has and always be an entry-level position meant for those wanting to begin a career in pharma. If you are over 30 and in a sales position, your management needs to ensure you have a development plan that will enable you to be marketable in the pharma industry as you mature. It is unacceptable to allow someone to pigeon hole themselves in a sales position and ride it through to retirement. Those who have made themselves comfy by doing the same thing over and over year after year are just the type of dead weight that has jeopardized the future of Lilly.

Yea, lets take all sales reps that are good and make managers out of them, what a sorry marketing plan, but I guess you have to be a manager to have status. What an absolute joke.

"haha you gotta be kidding yourself. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you really think your physicians would rather go out with some old sales rep over a younger more attractive one? Do you think younger rep's don't know how to build relationships? What do you think we did in college? I have over 900 facebook friends- trust me I know a thing or two about relationships. And I guarantee I do more dinner programs then anyone in this company"

To the person who wrote the above: Are you serious? You want people to be impressed with how many Facebook friends you have? You are giving younger reps like us a bad name - how immature. Grow up and be a professional. Next thing you know you'll come up with the idea that sexting is a good way to win over new doctors. Oops - now you'll use that idea too in addition to your awesome Facebook skills.

To the person bragging about facebook friends....what planet were you born on? I don't know how old you are, but I pretty sure you will soon be one of those 40 year olds you talk so highly about. What goes around comes around....you give the rest of us that are under 40 a bad name. I hope when you are over 40 that you face a career crisis and some younger worker talks smack about you and you can't get a job to save your life!

YOUNG REP= GERKLE GERKLE!

This is an overhaul. Dinasour poster is dead on, refacing and dumping large salaries is the name of the game in pharma restructering. Younger, leaner, cheaper. Ask any major pharma comp. Reps that have been through this. Anyone that thinks they are valued for their knowledge when we are being specifically told we cannot answer even the most basic of questions is fooling themselves.

MOST docls do want savvy, good looking reps to influence them. Those that do not, are often sold by these exact rep's nonetheless.

Good looking people do better in nearly everything in this world, face the truth. Lilly is the only place where the natural world order has not been stayed true. That is about to change. If you are old, and have some poor years in the last 3, good luck. If you are making good money and have 1 or 2 bad years of the last 3, it is gonna take a minor miracle to save your job.

My best friend is an associate on the restrucering team and has been telling me these exact things since this past Jan. I speaketh the truth, this is basic pharma restructering 101.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it is those so called "DINOSAURS" that sold and kept the company alive while you were still shitting your diaper. Thank those people for what they did to have a company alive for your young vibrant cocky narcistic ass to gain employment!!!!

----how fucking long do you want to be paid for your work 20-30 years ago? You have been paid for that already jerkhoff! Should the world continue to pay you hommage because you sold prozac? Face it, you will be targeted because that is the last accomplishment you have made.

It is nearly 2010, move on Dinasour. No one gves a shit about your prozac days but you, and we owe you for the billions lost in prozac lawsuits too. Should we give you credit for that? Should we thank you for selling zyprexa to the elderly to keep them quiet and kill them, setting a record breaking billion dollar fine? You are the past fuckstick, you have fucked us, don't ask for credit-move on and be happy lilly kept you as long as they had!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

----how fucking long do you want to be paid for your work 20-30 years ago? You have been paid for that already jerkhoff! Should the world continue to pay you hommage because you sold prozac? Face it, you will be targeted because that is the last accomplishment you have made.

It is nearly 2010, move on Dinasour. No one gves a shit about your prozac days but you, and we owe you for the billions lost in prozac lawsuits too. Should we give you credit for that? Should we thank you for selling zyprexa to the elderly to keep them quiet and kill them, setting a record breaking billion dollar fine? You are the past fuckstick, you have fucked us, don't ask for credit-move on and be happy lilly kept you as long as they had!

Here here. These old bastards have done so much harm and have been paid for way too long. Are you kidding me asking for credit for selling Prozac? Shoot yourself ass hole Prozac rep, don't ask for credit for selling candy to babies. What a joke, move on already.

The Entitlement days are over. You get paid today for the work you do today, not at some premium because you did something 20 years ago. You've already been paid for that work. If the person next to you is working harder and selling more, they should earn more even if they are 20 years your junior. This isn't a union shop here, nor is this some commune were the young take care of the old. It's survival of the fittest where the strong eat the weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Entitlement days are over. You get paid today for the work you do today, not at some premium because you did something 20 years ago. You've already been paid for that work. If the person next to you is working harder and selling more, they should earn more even if they are 20 years your junior. This isn't a union shop here, nor is this some commune were the young take care of the old. It's survival of the fittest where the strong eat the weak.

I love it. So true. These old, horrible, out of touch Lilly Rep's, disrespected by all in their very own District somehow believe they have earned and are entitled their job and salaries twice that of what they deserve. This is not a union, old bad rep's that are hanging on to their Prozac and Zyprexa success need to be hacked with a large knife. Make room for the rep's that "get it". How much does your Pharm D help you when you cannot even answer a god for saken question??? This game has been about the fresh, uncanned, unscripted, non condescending/teaching MD's, sales approach for a long time. I feel Lilly has finally seen the light here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

haha you gotta be kidding yourself. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you really think your physicians would rather go out with some old sales rep over a younger more attractive one? Do you think younger rep's don't know how to build relationships? What do you think we did in college? I have over 900 facebook friends- trust me I know a thing or two about relationships. And I guarantee I do more dinner programs then anyone in this company- I get my Dr.'s out. And why- because they like me. Do you think they come out for the content? Do you think I have the highest market share with Cymbalta because our studies show we are better then our competitors? I have the highest market share because my Dr.'s like me and because of that they are open to trying my drug in patients. And when they see the same results as other products they continue to write my product.

Good luck to all the people over 40 that are still sales rep's. One you probably aren't very good at your job or you would be promoted. Two you aren't very ambitious because you are still a sales rep in a very easy job. And Three good luck getting hired by another company- when it comes down to a young person vs. an old person the young person wins most of the time. And that is a fact jack!

Hey, Blondie, I too have Facebook. Even though my dinosaur ass shouldn't know what the internet is, but your mud flaps informed me about this glorious networking site. You have 900 friends, ya fucked 893 of them, and yet you will cap out at 75,000 this year. As for this ol dinosaur, have made my million + with the company, hell, made over 400,000 in a day when the stock split 3 times in the 90's...Fuck it. Bottom line, still top 10% in the country, 103 Facebook friends, will make over 200K this year with incentives, but that's on top of the 400k plus I have made on real estate investments. Enjoy your dinners with docs as they write 5 more scripts, cause I am enjoying mine, as they write 30+ per month, based on the fact me and Doc fucked your mom, and birthed your arrogant ass. You should have been swallowed, but dear Donna had a soar throat. See you on the unemploy, wait, no, I will be enjoying my home in Maine while you are "moving" market share and shlobbing knob because you have 900 facebook friends. Get a fucking clue you god damned ass clown

You all are ungrateful asses! We all went to school (code for college for y'all in tha south) some of us served our country before we graduated. Take good respect and riddence from our seinors, we are not special, we are standing on the backs of giants. Rejoice in thy youth, but be respectful of where u came. We (REPS) are one week away from selling used cars. There is no time for infighting, i can put my MBA up against yours. Shut up and work. I know a guy in a foxhole right now in Kandahar that will take your spot. God bless, shallom, asalam alakam, peace. goodnight.
NovoNordisk

Amen!

Let's not forget...its you old bags that got us this Zyprexa suit too, Running around with the "ghost written" Tohen shoving it in every doc's face without even asking how there day is going. You have no personalities and face the facts..your not all ugly because your old, your just all ugly. Ever take a look at those customer satisfaction surveys lilly sends out?? Forest is always ranked #1. (and that includes therapeutic knowledge) Hmmmmm I wonder why. Maybe because they hire based on personality and looks and the average age is 28 not 48. Your all prehistoric and soon to be extinct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's not forget...its you old bags that got us this Zyprexa suit too, Running around with the "ghost written" Tohen shoving it in every doc's face without even asking how there day is going. You have no personalities and face the facts..your not all ugly because your old, your just all ugly. Ever take a look at those customer satisfaction surveys lilly sends out?? Forest is always ranked #1. (and that includes therapeutic knowledge) Hmmmmm I wonder why. Maybe because they hire based on personality and looks and the average age is 28 not 48. Your all prehistoric and soon to be extinct.

I'd rather be ugly, old and wealthy than to be a good looking dumb shit who'll be fighting for a job all that way to retirement. You have a lot to learn son and it looks like you will be doing it the hard way. Enjoy your youth and good looks because no one can hold on to them very long, no one. You might want to invest in some intelligence, it will benefit you much more in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What conference call were you listening to??!! From the sounds of it that's what you wish you heard. There's nothing generous about an extra four months unless you've got the points to retire. Someday, if you're lucky, and you get to put your time in and perform your salary might get "big". It's the lowest and newest that drove our customers to cry "uncle" when we hired too many of you in years past! One more warm body to deliver lunch & Starbucks.

Don't let your insecurity and envy derail you. Regardless of your salary, if you perform and their ROI from you is worth keeping you around you'll have a job. Now just decide or wake up and sell something tomorrow!

I love when the old asses think they are entitled because they have "been here longer". You are the reason that performance needs to be taken into account. Enjoy finding a job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love when the old asses think they are entitled because they have "been here longer". You are the reason that performance needs to be taken into account. Enjoy finding a job.

Fortunately I've been investing a large portion of my $175K+ salary every year so that I no longer need to work for a living. On the other hand, Obama is going to be taking such a large portion of your paycheck that you'll be an old tired man before you'll have enough to live comfortably on the golf course like me. Maybe someday I'll give you a $1 tip when you deliver that pizza to my estate. You can use it to buy your toothless wife some bubblegum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey, Blondie, I too have Facebook. Even though my dinosaur ass shouldn't know what the internet is, but your mud flaps informed me about this glorious networking site. You have 900 friends, ya fucked 893 of them, and yet you will cap out at 75,000 this year. As for this ol dinosaur, have made my million + with the company, hell, made over 400,000 in a day when the stock split 3 times in the 90's...Fuck it. Bottom line, still top 10% in the country, 103 Facebook friends, will make over 200K this year with incentives, but that's on top of the 400k plus I have made on real estate investments. Enjoy your dinners with docs as they write 5 more scripts, cause I am enjoying mine, as they write 30+ per month, based on the fact me and Doc fucked your mom, and birthed your arrogant ass. You should have been swallowed, but dear Donna had a soar throat. See you on the unemploy, wait, no, I will be enjoying my home in Maine while you are "moving" market share and shlobbing knob because you have 900 facebook friends. Get a fucking clue you god damned ass clown

Yah Yah, you are so great. Although the Facebook thing is kinda funny, all signs point to a COMPLETE OVERHAUL of this sung of a bitch. See ya later Ernie, and all you prehistoric so called Rep's that don't deserve half of the salary you are getting. YOU are the hunted, and Indy is coming with an elephant gun.

This has been a great thread to read. It is always enjoyable to read how up tight and serious you take your mundane careers. The truth is that both old and young, ugly and fat are going to get the ax.

For the "seasoned" pharma rep (this means that you work about 20 hours a week and tell everyone how valuable your job is) I feel bad for you. You are stuck in a dieing industry with no where to go because everyone knows that your job is a joke. You have developed too many bad habits over the years of enjoying your bloated salary and working a 25 hour work week. You probably have a family to support and have no idea what you are going to do.

All the younger reps are going to find that you are overpaid as well; that is you will not find another comparable job that pays as well. You will not get into device because it takes more than you implants or perfect smile to get a job that is performance driven.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has been a great thread to read. It is always enjoyable to read how up tight and serious you take your mundane careers. The truth is that both old and young, ugly and fat are going to get the ax.

For the "seasoned" pharma rep (this means that you work about 20 hours a week and tell everyone how valuable your job is) I feel bad for you. You are stuck in a dieing industry with no where to go because everyone knows that your job is a joke. You have developed too many bad habits over the years of enjoying your bloated salary and working a 25 hour work week. You probably have a family to support and have no idea what you are going to do.

All the younger reps are going to find that you are overpaid as well; that is you will not find another comparable job that pays as well. You will not get into device because it takes more than you implants or perfect smile to get a job that is performance driven.

Good luck!

Oh yah, device is great. I know a ton of device rep's that have a new job every two years max due to getting shit canned. Stress filled, always looking for another job... Great way to live. Not many perfect smiles at Lilly either, old nasty Rep's everywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love when the old asses think they are entitled because they have "been here longer". You are the reason that performance needs to be taken into account. Enjoy finding a job.

I agree. The old rep's are gone, not question this is a cost savings realignment. I love the arrogance of these fat pig's thinking they are good. There is going to be bazookas pointing at the overpaid. CANNOT wait to see these old fuckers go down. They bring 0 value and are only employed because Lilly has allowed it to happen against all business logic. Bacon will be made of these cops.

Age 50, 20 years with another pharma co. Salary 110k plus 40k bonus. I know that I am overpaid and that this gig would end. That's why:

1) I have zero debt. No mortgage.
2) Own one modest home.
3) Maxed out on 401k and IRA since day one.
4) Conservative investments. Did not lose much last year.
5) Saved enough to pay 100% of kids college.
6) Stayed in shape. Not fat. No medical conditions.
7) Moonlight at another job which I enjoy.
8) Fully vested in Defined Benefit Pension plan that will give me a check every two weeks for the rest of my life.
9) Long lived family. Average age of death for grandparents = 90.

To the younger crowd, good luck to you. I understand your resentment. This is just what I did to prepare for the end of Pharma. Take it for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age 50, 20 years with another pharma co. Salary 110k plus 40k bonus. I know that I am overpaid and that this gig would end. That's why:

1) I have zero debt. No mortgage.
2) Own one modest home.
3) Maxed out on 401k and IRA since day one.
4) Conservative investments. Did not lose much last year.
5) Saved enough to pay 100% of kids college.
6) Stayed in shape. Not fat. No medical conditions.
7) Moonlight at another job which I enjoy.
8) Fully vested in Defined Benefit Pension plan that will give me a check every two weeks for the rest of my life.
9) Long lived family. Average age of death for grandparents = 90.

To the younger crowd, good luck to you. I understand your resentment. This is just what I did to prepare for the end of Pharma. Take it for what it's worth.

Dave Ramsey,

Pretty sure that you are on the wrong board.

Regards,

Hey don't forget that sales is the most dangerous job in the company due to all of the driving required. Much of what is said here is true but here's some spin from Europe http://www.pharmatimes.com/WorldNews....aspx?id=16362

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has been a great thread to read. It is always enjoyable to read how up tight and serious you take your mundane careers. The truth is that both old and young, ugly and fat are going to get the ax.

For the "seasoned" pharma rep (this means that you work about 20 hours a week and tell everyone how valuable your job is) I feel bad for you. You are stuck in a dieing industry with no where to go because everyone knows that your job is a joke. You have developed too many bad habits over the years of enjoying your bloated salary and working a 25 hour work week. You probably have a family to support and have no idea what you are going to do.

All the younger reps are going to find that you are overpaid as well; that is you will not find another comparable job that pays as well. You will not get into device because it takes more than you implants or perfect smile to get a job that is performance driven.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age 50, 20 years with another pharma co. Salary 110k plus 40k bonus. I know that I am overpaid and that this gig would end. That's why:

1) I have zero debt. No mortgage.
2) Own one modest home.
3) Maxed out on 401k and IRA since day one.
4) Conservative investments. Did not lose much last year.
5) Saved enough to pay 100% of kids college.
6) Stayed in shape. Not fat. No medical conditions.
7) Moonlight at another job which I enjoy.
8) Fully vested in Defined Benefit Pension plan that will give me a check every two weeks for the rest of my life.
9) Long lived family. Average age of death for grandparents = 90.

To the younger crowd, good luck to you. I understand your resentment. This is just what I did to prepare for the end of Pharma. Take it for what it's worth.

Funny that you are going to retire with an entry level position (all pharma is entry level). I guess you are living proof of the Peter Principle where "Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." This is exactly why Lilly needs to get rid of so many reps that are just coasting along. After all EVERYONE knows that sales are driven by FORMULARY status and not by how good you look or how many gray hairs you have. The ROI is about the same on all reps whether old or new and that is why we will see many high paid reps lose their jobs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny that you are going to retire with an entry level position (all pharma is entry level). I guess you are living proof of the Peter Principle where "Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." This is exactly why Lilly needs to get rid of so many reps that are just coasting along. After all EVERYONE knows that sales are driven by FORMULARY status and not by how good you look or how many gray hairs you have. The ROI is about the same on all reps whether old or new and that is why we will see many high paid reps lose their jobs.

It was a great gig while it lasted. Keep up the hard work so my social security, medicare and other government freebies will be fully funded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age 50, 20 years with another pharma co. Salary 110k plus 40k bonus. I know that I am overpaid and that this gig would end. That's why:

1) I have zero debt. No mortgage.
2) Own one modest home.
3) Maxed out on 401k and IRA since day one.
4) Conservative investments. Did not lose much last year.
5) Saved enough to pay 100% of kids college.
6) Stayed in shape. Not fat. No medical conditions.
7) Moonlight at another job which I enjoy.
8) Fully vested in Defined Benefit Pension plan that will give me a check every two weeks for the rest of my life.
9) Long lived family. Average age of death for grandparents = 90.

To the younger crowd, good luck to you. I understand your resentment. This is just what I did to prepare for the end of Pharma. Take it for what it's worth.

Callin bull shit on this one. No one making 40K comm. at Lilly, no one. That is a fact, say what you want. I have seen top level comm. and it SUCKS ASS.

That's why I said "with another pharma co.". If you want to call it an entry level position, I don't care. I was after salary and benefits, not job titles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age 50, 20 years with another pharma co. Salary 110k plus 40k bonus. I know that I am overpaid and that this gig would end. That's why:

1) I have zero debt. No mortgage.
2) Own one modest home.
3) Maxed out on 401k and IRA since day one.
4) Conservative investments. Did not lose much last year.
5) Saved enough to pay 100% of kids college.
6) Stayed in shape. Not fat. No medical conditions.
7) Moonlight at another job which I enjoy.
8) Fully vested in Defined Benefit Pension plan that will give me a check every two weeks for the rest of my life.
9) Long lived family. Average age of death for grandparents = 90.

To the younger crowd, good luck to you. I understand your resentment. This is just what I did to prepare for the end of Pharma. Take it for what it's worth.

OMG! Fifty years old and still in an entry level position. Your mommy must be proud and probably tells you so when she's nursing you. You've been well groomed for that Wal-Mart greeter position. Make sure you have my shopping cart ready the next time I stop in for a pack of gum. You're a great example to show to my kids as a reinforcement as to why studying in school is so important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OMG - oldster here. Doc's don't prefer "younger reps" - in fact when you leave the office, we laugh at your entitlement attitudes, unprofessional dress and naivete about products and industry.

To refer to human beings as pieces of garbage, old asses, dinosaurs, etc, is disgusting, and does not reflect well on the medical care industry. If you say this about colleagues, what do you say about physicians (60 yrs+) or the patients they treat (elderly 75 yrs+). Lack of respect for people of various ages is hard to hide and carries through in a salescall.

What good is a new rep at 55,000 yr if she/he costs a company several customers and millions in lost revenue from immaturity and lack of decency? Very few companies who restructure let go all tenured reps and keep new ones, and vice versa.

It will be the reps who can best get company to next level, old and new, who will be kept.

(PS - young not necessarily better looking. Halle Berry 42, Chris Evert 52, Brad Pitt 45, Denzel Washington 54, all prove this)

Chris Evert?

Whatever. My point is I don't need to work anymore. Don't care if I get laid off or not...

Man this thread is a good one. Dinosaurs vs the new generation.

Unload the salaries! Very clear, just read all the dinosaur posts. All about how they made so much in the past. Nothing about being good then and now. because they are all content with their enormous salaries, exec title, and competencies. This company has a corrupt layout, and has paid the dinosaurs way too much money. Never seen a sales organization reward people residually for sales so long ago. Sales is supposed to be what have you done for me lately. Ax the dinosaurs, let them take their big banks and let the new guns go to work. Unfortunately this industry is standing on its last leg as it is.

RUN DINOSAURS RUN! I can't blame you for not leaving before, 125k base and working 20 hours, then pumping out emails and voicemails for another 5. Go work at the library or something, where you belong when your 48.

This job could return to a good job as well. Think about it, DM with 18 reps to manage, less field rides, one person territories, and really know and own your smaller target list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man this thread is a good one. Dinosaurs vs the new generation.

Unload the salaries! Very clear, just read all the dinosaur posts. All about how they made so much in the past. Nothing about being good then and now. because they are all content with their enormous salaries, exec title, and competencies. This company has a corrupt layout, and has paid the dinosaurs way too much money. Never seen a sales organization reward people residually for sales so long ago. Sales is supposed to be what have you done for me lately. Ax the dinosaurs, let them take their big banks and let the new guns go to work. Unfortunately this industry is standing on its last leg as it is.

RUN DINOSAURS RUN! I can't blame you for not leaving before, 125k base and working 20 hours, then pumping out emails and voicemails for another 5. Go work at the library or something, where you belong when your 48.

This job could return to a good job as well. Think about it, DM with 18 reps to manage, less field rides, one person territories, and really know and own your smaller target list.

"Young Guns", P-Dola?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man this thread is a good one. Dinosaurs vs the new generation.

Unload the salaries! Very clear, just read all the dinosaur posts. All about how they made so much in the past. Nothing about being good then and now. because they are all content with their enormous salaries, exec title, and competencies. This company has a corrupt layout, and has paid the dinosaurs way too much money. Never seen a sales organization reward people residually for sales so long ago. Sales is supposed to be what have you done for me lately. Ax the dinosaurs, let them take their big banks and let the new guns go to work. Unfortunately this industry is standing on its last leg as it is.

RUN DINOSAURS RUN! I can't blame you for not leaving before, 125k base and working 20 hours, then pumping out emails and voicemails for another 5. Go work at the library or something, where you belong when your 48.

This job could return to a good job as well. Think about it, DM with 18 reps to manage, less field rides, one person territories, and really know and own your smaller target list.

Hey idiot ! Some of those "dinosaurs" you're referring to are actually in their mid 30's with those "inflated" base salaries that you're never likely to achieve. Hate to burst your bubble. What's your excuse for being stuck where you are?...

FYI...Fortunately I'm in a division not affected. Just had to set the record straight for you "New Guns" with your past experience of folding shirts at Abercrombie Fitch or washing cars @ Enterprise. When I go to either place I know the clothes I want to buy & only ask if the car has gas! Grow up will ya...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no doubt that the above post represents the typical "holy'er than thow" Lilly Rep that has been here for years, who also has no shot of getting a job at another pharma company. The truth is very simple, the younger, more vibrant Rep's that are both competitive and exciting are far more coveted by our Doc's than the scum bag oldsters that continue detailing like it was 1985.

The newer Rep's not only make much less, but are better looking. A key to success that you cannot ignore. Old Lilly Rep's (Pharm D or not) are THEEE most devalued dinasours on the pharma planet, and this company has finally woken up to that fact. It was more clear than ever on Conterno's call that old, underperforming, OVER PAID pieces of garbage will be eliminated. Something pharma companies have been doing for years. Thank heavens Lilly is finally waking up to that fact.

Simple math, get rid of 150-200 old ass bags making $105,000-$150,000 out of the 400 = huge cost savings. Add the $1.6 billion Zyprexa loss and there is no doubt the dinasours will be hunted and snuffed out this time around. Seniority will mean 0 this time, take the money or get shafted Old Fucks who cannot adapt to pharma selling post 85'.

Is that you John W? You're still an ass! You're next.

I find it hilarious to read the posts of the "younger" generation talking about older reps. I guess I fall into that category and I don't see my job as entry level. It's experience that has allowed me to engage customers in meaningful conversations and not be a UPS delivery driver. When you grow and you see that doctors want valuable information, they don't want canned details and they want someone that really knows their products. I've seen far too many cocky young reps piss off providers and run it for everyone as the offices become "closed" to reps. 10+ years with Lilly has afforded me the opportunity to become a resource for doctors and it's not unusual for a provider to call me to ask a question about dosing for insulin or to ask me what I think of a competitior's new product. I didn't get that repect over night. I didn't get it because I wear expensive suits and spend $$$ to try to look like a model. I've been on 3 incentive trips and enjoyed all of them. My last 3 years have been top 5% to top 15% so don't tell me age determines who's the best rep. Finally,
it's preformance that drives your base salary increases annually. Rank at the bottom and get
little to nothing. Do a good job and you get rewarded. I have NO desire to work in a corporate office so this is the job I choose to do. For that I find it humoruos that some of you think sales is "entry level". Earn promotions and you'll see that being an executive rep and maybe a senior executive rep pays far more than most of the INDY jobs unless you're at the top and for that I say, give me a sales job any day!