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Old 05-03-2010, 04:33 PM
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If you think you will be looked after as pensioner by this co. forget it. You'll get only the minimum especially if you are amongst the current crop of pill pushers. In fact most if not all will never make it to retirement with this Co. They don't want you either. They want your blood, sweat and hard work that often includes illegal stuff as reported here already by someone.
Your pension plan has been streamlined and soon it will be cut to bare bone, so only if you save all your career and survive all the roadblocks they will throw at you, especially once you are not needed as per your age or performance, you may end up with few chicken bones.
What about the current pensioners, how do they survive on their, what was supposed to be very good plan, at the time they retired for whatever reson? They still have some benefits built into that plan, like dental (if you still have teeth). But their incomes have been eroded to, in some cases bare minimum. The company does NOT keep up with reality of inflation and general increases in cost of living (as they do with them and you for their drug prices can easily afford it and support it) for pensioners. The real income for them has dropped by just over 25% sine last adjustment in 1999. That is eleven years ago. Lot has happened since then and yet they don't do anything inspite of huge success in milking the Canadian public health care with their high prices and overpromotion of drugs many illegaly and unethicly for additiona profit. YET NOTHING FOR CANADIAN PENSIONERS.
These are the people who have put this co on the map of Canadian drug market and made the company (two that were merged the envy of the industry.). YET NOTHING FOR CANADIAN PENSIONERS.
However, In Switzerland things are completely different and fine for their pensioners. They adjust their pensions on regular basis. We are not sure if it is on yearly basis but very often. Certainly they don't do it once in decade or maybe in century the way they behave nowdays in Canada. That is a shameful behavior toward the most vulnarable of this Co. Maybe these valuable people at one time, are not considered of any value to this Co and what they did is no longer appreciated. Or they may think what was paid to them while they worked was more than enough in terms of compensation. That is not true. Just like you the current employees the pensioners while "current" were NOT paid their fair share of income they generated for the Co. Why? Simple. They contributed far more by being forced to do not only "legal" work but also lot of illegal and unethical work that brought in huge extra $$$ that were kept by the CO and its movers and shakers. Vasella would be a good example.He has collected well over a billion Swiss Fr. so far (same in $$) and is currently paid 44.000.000,00 SFR/year in base sallary. You can imagine what the others are paid including your new CEO. But not you the reps and your retired colleagues that made it possible for you to be where you are.
So this is your "best Co to work for" and how they treat those who made so many sacrifices of their lifetime with the co. Yes many have give their best years to this Co and yet, NOTHING FOR THEM from the huge thake this Co takes from our taxpayers and our people. Shame on them.
ps: if you know the CEO's email, please email this post to him/her.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:06 PM
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If you think you will be looked after as pensioner by this co. forget it. You'll get only the minimum especially if you are amongst the current crop of pill pushers. In fact most if not all will never make it to retirement with this Co. They don't want you either. They want your blood, sweat and hard work that often includes illegal stuff as reported here already by someone.
Your pension plan has been streamlined and soon it will be cut to bare bone, so only if you save all your career and survive all the roadblocks they will throw at you, especially once you are not needed as per your age or performance, you may end up with few chicken bones.
What about the current pensioners, how do they survive on their, what was supposed to be very good plan, at the time they retired for whatever reson? They still have some benefits built into that plan, like dental (if you still have teeth). But their incomes have been eroded to, in some cases bare minimum. The company does NOT keep up with reality of inflation and general increases in cost of living (as they do with them and you for their drug prices can easily afford it and support it) for pensioners. The real income for them has dropped by just over 25% sine last adjustment in 1999. That is eleven years ago. Lot has happened since then and yet they don't do anything inspite of huge success in milking the Canadian public health care with their high prices and overpromotion of drugs many illegaly and unethicly for additiona profit. YET NOTHING FOR CANADIAN PENSIONERS.
These are the people who have put this co on the map of Canadian drug market and made the company (two that were merged the envy of the industry.). YET NOTHING FOR CANADIAN PENSIONERS.
However, In Switzerland things are completely different and fine for their pensioners. They adjust their pensions on regular basis. We are not sure if it is on yearly basis but very often. Certainly they don't do it once in decade or maybe in century the way they behave nowdays in Canada. That is a shameful behavior toward the most vulnarable of this Co. Maybe these valuable people at one time, are not considered of any value to this Co and what they did is no longer appreciated. Or they may think what was paid to them while they worked was more than enough in terms of compensation. That is not true. Just like you the current employees the pensioners while "current" were NOT paid their fair share of income they generated for the Co. Why? Simple. They contributed far more by being forced to do not only "legal" work but also lot of illegal and unethical work that brought in huge extra $$$ that were kept by the CO and its movers and shakers. Vasella would be a good example.He has collected well over a billion Swiss Fr. so far (same in $$) and is currently paid 44.000.000,00 SFR/year in base sallary. You can imagine what the others are paid including your new CEO. But not you the reps and your retired colleagues that made it possible for you to be where you are.
So this is your "best Co to work for" and how they treat those who made so many sacrifices of their lifetime with the co. Yes many have give their best years to this Co and yet, NOTHING FOR THEM from the huge thake this Co takes from our taxpayers and our people. Shame on them.
ps: if you know the CEO's email, please email this post to him/her.
Stop bitching you old f....Don't you get that big bonus at Christmas time? What is it? $50, that'll keep you ahead of inflation. Seriously, this Co stinks big time, everywhichway.
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Old 05-22-2010, 09:03 AM
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What is wrong with this picture: Novartis Canada pension Committee chair is Robert Peltzer, Prez and CEO of Novartis USA. The lesser members are from Novartis Canada. How convenient for USA where their pensioners get regular adjustments as they do in Switzerland. Does this fact have to do anything with our pensioners being left behind and left to fend for themselves? Why should a CEO of US affiliate give a f.... about Canadian old folks.
Apparently this bizzare situation has gone on for ever.
Recommended action: our pensioners should elect a representative to go to Hanover NJ, hat in hand, get on his/her knees and bag for few chicken bones at least every 10 years. That'll work.
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:13 PM
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Novartis AG & all the affiliates never lost money and are one of the most successful and rich bigpharma Co. OK so they get good deal of their profits from unethical, illegal, criminal and immoral ways of doing biz.That is done everywhere be it first, second or third World countres.They are equal opportunity exploiters.
Re pension fund for Canadians who gave their lifetime of hard work for them: It is "underfunded". Yes this super rich Co is deliberately underfunding your pension fund so to look like there is NEVER enough money or just enough to pay you that behind-the-living-cost pension. Don't worry your pension is safe. It is not Nortel's fund but fund earned by you while making this Co one of the super rich of any business. But what is not safe and sure that you will be able to maintain your anyway modest lifestyle till the last of your "golden" days. Or should we say strugling days (at least for significant number of you) thanks to Dickensonian attitude of this Co. "More please, Sir".
Yes folks, your former employer and current pension master, is using same lies and manipulations in handling your pension fund as they do in handling their business in general. Why not? It works very well for their business culture and approach and so far no one managed to expose them or have them investigated for all those illegal activities that their friends south of the border got caught and punished, with more to come.
You have to give it to Americans though. They let you do business seemingly without any controles and limits but if you break the rules and get caught, watch out. On the other hand we seem to control our businesses with all kinds of rules and limits, yet we don't even seem to be interested to catch and punish any corporate thiefs if they step out of line. This Co and all other bigpharma are very good example. Not one got caught and punished for any reason (and there are plenty) by the fed. laws enforcement even though we too have some laws in place. So you may as well stop wondering why then you have no power to change anything re your lagging-behind-pension, for your Co is not at all afraid of anything.They'll continue to do things the way they want to, till someone comes up with the right formula to stop this medieval behavior.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:31 PM
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It is true they lied to pensioners and their rep. The former CEO to the current Tom Rossi, lied for two years. Appointments were agreed upon and made so the issues would be discussed. Every time they were canceled just before the date with no explanations or rebookings. The poor rep kept asking for another, would eventually get it and then, you guessed it, the appt. was canceled without any explanation. The guy before this one did the same. This is gone for at least 4-5 years. Obviously this is a pattern of lies and delays in hope that the poor retires would give up or die, whichever comes first it's OK with Novartis AG.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:07 PM
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If you think you will be looked after as pensioner by this co. forget it. You'll get only the minimum especially if you are amongst the current crop of pill pushers. In fact most if not all will never make it to retirement with this Co. They don't want you either. They want your blood, sweat and hard work that often includes illegal stuff as reported here already by someone.
Your pension plan has been streamlined and soon it will be cut to bare bone, so only if you save all your career and survive all the roadblocks they will throw at you, especially once you are not needed as per your age or performance, you may end up with few chicken bones.
What about the current pensioners, how do they survive on their, what was supposed to be very good plan, at the time they retired for whatever reson? They still have some benefits built into that plan, like dental (if you still have teeth). But their incomes have been eroded to, in some cases bare minimum. The company does NOT keep up with reality of inflation and general increases in cost of living (as they do with them and you for their drug prices can easily afford it and support it) for pensioners. The real income for them has dropped by just over 25% sine last adjustment in 1999. That is eleven years ago. Lot has happened since then and yet they don't do anything inspite of huge success in milking the Canadian public health care with their high prices and overpromotion of drugs many illegaly and unethicly for additiona profit. YET NOTHING FOR CANADIAN PENSIONERS.
These are the people who have put this co on the map of Canadian drug market and made the company (two that were merged the envy of the industry.). YET NOTHING FOR CANADIAN PENSIONERS.
However, In Switzerland things are completely different and fine for their pensioners. They adjust their pensions on regular basis. We are not sure if it is on yearly basis but very often. Certainly they don't do it once in decade or maybe in century the way they behave nowdays in Canada. That is a shameful behavior toward the most vulnarable of this Co. Maybe these valuable people at one time, are not considered of any value to this Co and what they did is no longer appreciated. Or they may think what was paid to them while they worked was more than enough in terms of compensation. That is not true. Just like you the current employees the pensioners while "current" were NOT paid their fair share of income they generated for the Co. Why? Simple. They contributed far more by being forced to do not only "legal" work but also lot of illegal and unethical work that brought in huge extra $$$ that were kept by the CO and its movers and shakers. Vasella would be a good example.He has collected well over a billion Swiss Fr. so far (same in $$) and is currently paid 44.000.000,00 SFR/year in base sallary. You can imagine what the others are paid including your new CEO. But not you the reps and your retired colleagues that made it possible for you to be where you are.
So this is your "best Co to work for" and how they treat those who made so many sacrifices of their lifetime with the co. Yes many have give their best years to this Co and yet, NOTHING FOR THEM from the huge thake this Co takes from our taxpayers and our people. Shame on them.
ps: if you know the CEO's email, please email this post to him/her.
boy this must be embarrassing to Novartis ag "the best employer". i googled "novartis pension" und it came up on second page almost next to it's bragging about being one of the top emplyer in Canada. what a laugh.hopefully they do something about it to correct this sorry state und embarrassing message that can be seen worldwide.maybe i'll walk over to their hq on the rhine und tell them. after all we in basel und switzerland don't like to be considered outcasts und bad guys, as you say no? ps; lot of wery interesting things about this, one of our most famos drog companies.
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:39 PM
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GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA. The fact that you even use the word "pensioner" is laughable. Socialism is great isn't it?

I want to ask the idiot that keeps posting his lost cause on this board about "organized corporate crime" and all the other bullshit: Why are you wasting your time?
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:08 PM
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GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA. The fact that you even use the word "pensioner" is laughable. Socialism is great isn't it?

I want to ask the idiot that keeps posting his lost cause on this board about "organized corporate crime" and all the other bullshit: Why are you wasting your time?
First this moron comes on periodically with useless comments.In between he resides under some rock in Little Rock, somewhere in USA.Wonder if he is the same A-hole visiting US CP Novartis board. If not go there and see how the US reps "wasted" their time and got Novartis in initial trouble that cost them over 1/2 Billion in fines for the crimes they did there.We'll cont. to "waste" our time here till we too get this Novartis affiliate in same or even worse touble. It is coming everyone can be sure of it.
In the meantime, crawl under that rock of yours and stay there.
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:59 AM
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GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA. The fact that you even use the word "pensioner" is laughable. Socialism is great isn't it?

I want to ask the idiot that keeps posting his lost cause on this board about "organized corporate crime" and all the other bullshit: Why are you wasting your time?
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Old 07-03-2010, 05:51 PM
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As much as I don't like the GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA part, I'm going to have to agree with this guy. I don't know who you are, but it is obvious you have an obsession with taking down the drug companies. You spend a lot of time posting here which no one responds to or seems to even care other than reading your posts. Does it really matter that much? You probably spend more time making up your carefully crafted usernames for each post than you do living an enjoyable life. OK, so there are big companies out there that may not play by the rules all of the time. In the grand scheme of things, is this the most important, Earth shattering thing you need to focus on?

You always say that the time is coming and there will be "justice". One final question: Out of all of the fucked up things in this world, why do you spend so much time on this?
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Old 08-09-2010, 07:40 PM
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As much as I don't like the GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA part, I'm going to have to agree with this guy. I don't know who you are, but it is obvious you have an obsession with taking down the drug companies. You spend a lot of time posting here which no one responds to or seems to even care other than reading your posts. Does it really matter that much? You probably spend more time making up your carefully crafted usernames for each post than you do living an enjoyable life. OK, so there are big companies out there that may not play by the rules all of the time. In the grand scheme of things, is this the most important, Earth shattering thing you need to focus on?

You always say that the time is coming and there will be "justice". One final question: Out of all of the fucked up things in this world, why do you spend so much time on this?
I don't know who you r either. What "earth" shattering thing you focus on, or according to you there are no such things that one should focus on at all because they happen anyway and are fucked up, so why bother? That is exactly the problem for many if not (unfortunately) most people, so the companies like Novartis continue to do what they have done for decades, milk our health care by doing the regular thing along with the additional criminal stuff. Because no one does anything about it (Rx&D fines them on occasion with 5-10 thousands) they continue to do it and people like you agree it is OK. Victimless crime you say.
Here are some victimless crimes you did: Diovantage 1-5, the fake post marketing trial that brought in well over $100million extra in Diovan sales paid for by taxpayers (read victims); Diovan Investment Fund, that doubled as bribery scheme ($5-25 thousands per crooked specialist who agreed to take it in return to Rx Diovan 3-5 times of $$ taken) also resulted in extra Dio. sales that were again paid by taxpayers/victims; offlabel promotion of Diovan and other drugs that resulted in wrong drug Rxed to wrong patients and perhaps some death never suspected or proven, as result dead taxpayers/victims. And so on and on, for this company as others has limitless arsenal of "alternative" business practices to get that super return on their $$.
True story: In 2002 VP of marketing at the time, was asked why does such large, powerful and rich company need to use illegal practices to do business. This was in a very private setting and he was somewhat primed with company paid for alcohol (you know the scene).All present were of the highest caliber and this business of deliberate, planned use of illegal stuff was well understood, for they were all it's practitioneres. The "stupid" question came from one who seemd to still have some honesty left in him.
"Let me put it this way, if we did not do it we'd never meet our objectives given to us by Basel, we never would have lavish salaries and bonuses as we do, we never would stay in such luxury hotels etc. etc. Simply that's the way Basel wants it and that's the way Dorval wants it and that's the way you must do it."
Needless to say the question asker did not make it for the next national meeting in another lavish hotel.
Yes, why spend time on trying to change this idyllic set up. Especially if you are in it and enjoy the benefits of the extraordinaly "success" of bigpharma business.
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:01 PM
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Hey, it has been awhile: GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA.
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:03 PM
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DELETED BY TOM ROSSI & DON VASELLA HIMSELF.
By the way, why do you think you are deleting anything? It is still there and you don't have the power to do anything about it. And once again ... GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA.
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Old 08-11-2010, 04:29 PM
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By the way, why do you think you are deleting anything? It is still there and you don't have the power to do anything about it. And once again ... GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA.
NoSpam word for this post was "foot". You put your foot into your loud dirty mouth every time you come here. And you are not welcomed. If you can't get this guy's "delete" symbolism what can you get? You simply are a supermoron.
Unless you are one of the corporate assholes assigned to do such dirty work, get off and stay off. We welcome Novartis' HQ assholes. Some day they may get it.
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Old 08-12-2010, 02:57 PM
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not judging this co one way or another. if any of this is true they should look after their retirees better. good start would be to update their retirements to current price levels. how much can that cost. hope i and my cohorts will be treated better if we ever make it.
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Old 08-29-2010, 04:35 PM
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Apparently this Co just topped up the pension fund with $3,500.000.00 cheque to meet the legal requirement for funding. Just like that, they payed it out of their petty change they keep for such purposes. This is such a rich company that most have no idea about their wealth even though they worked for them, making that wealth. Yet they would not update the pensions for so many by now poor former workers out of their principal that says :"they don't get anything till we say so". What do they have against Canadian retirees? Others are updated on regular basis, but not Canadians that have contributed the most to growth and reputation relatively speaking. Is it the fact that Canadians are generally docile and never stand up for themselves? Perhaps and this is one of the main reasons they are abused and used to perpetuate this co's unethical, illegal and criminal activity that bring in so much extra profits without any fear of consequences to the company.
Yes folks you are being punished for what you did so well for this predatory company that keeps on doing what they do best; rape and pillage every health care system they do busines with.
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Old 09-19-2010, 05:16 PM
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We are still waiting for that promissed appointment to discuss Canadian retirees issues, Mr. CEO of this rich Co. If you just give us 10% of that extra take you took by cheating our gov't, health care and people, we'll be happy and it will not cost you anything. How about it Tom? We promise not to say a word about you-know-what. Omerta for ever!
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Old 09-25-2010, 11:12 AM
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And you are going to keep waiting for a long time.
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Old 09-26-2010, 08:20 PM
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And you are going to keep waiting for a long time.
Not me, but there is a fine lady, poor thing still believes these Azzholes will come trough.She refuses to believe they are all liers and crooks who only pretend they are what they pretend to be. In reality they are as low life forms as their counterparts, called druglords of Colombia, Mexico and places like that. The only difference between that mafia and bigpharma mafia is that the one you work for is officially legal. Unless you work for the outlaw one, the Colombians. The jobs are basically same, you push your shit on those who may or may not need it.
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Old 11-14-2010, 05:18 PM
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It is true they lied to pensioners and their rep. The former CEO to the current Tom Rossi, lied for two years. Appointments were agreed upon and made so the issues would be discussed. Every time they were canceled just before the date with no explanations or rebookings. The poor rep kept asking for another, would eventually get it and then, you guessed it, the appt. was canceled without any explanation. The guy before this one did the same. This is gone for at least 4-5 years. Obviously this is a pattern of lies and delays in hope that the poor retires would give up or die, whichever comes first it's OK with Novartis AG.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THEY CONTINUE WITH LIES TO THEIR PENSIONERS AND THEIR REPS. APPOITMENTS ARE GIVEN OUT ONLY AFTER BEGGING FOR MONTHS AND THEN AS ALREADY REPORTED THE APPOINTMENT IS CANCELED. IN THE MEANTIME NOVARTIS WORLDWIDE REPORTS HIGHER THAN USUAL GROWTH. MANY WHO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AGREE THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF FRAUD COMMITTED NOT ONLY IN USA (PUNISHED WITH HUGE FINED ALREADY) BUT IN EVERY COUNTRY THEY OPERATE. EVEN IN SWITZERLAND THEY DEFRAUD THEIR VERY OWN GOV'T AND PEOPLE.
WHAT CAN POOR RETIREES DO? CAN YOU HELP THEM WITH SOME IDEAS?
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:51 PM
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I'll help them with an idea: GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:44 PM
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I'll help them with an idea: GOFUCKYOURSELFCANADA
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Old 12-12-2010, 08:25 PM
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There were years when all the retirees were treated at Christmas party at the finest local establishments accros the World along with current employees. Nowdays they give them THE FINGER. Get this: they send yearly $50.00 Christmas bonus check only to one half of retirees to save money. This company has no shame or any human decency at all. Just look at the (alleged but provable) fraud somene report here that took place with two Diovon fake post market trials. After they were censured by Rx&D for it, do you think they showed any shame or regret? No at all. All they did changed their illegal ways to much harder to prove and collect evidence. One day when the public at large gets to see who they really are one wonders what their PR position would be? That day is approaching very soon judging by what is going on in the biz.
There is no point in saying, "Shame on you Novartis for what you have done to your employees of any senority and your retirees", for it would be like telling Don Chery to be ashamed with that gaudy outfits he wears everywhere even at Torornto City Hall the other day. We in Montreal had the laugh of our lives. No one is laughing at gaudy Novartis located in Dorval.
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:42 PM
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it's true some retirees did not it get that grand total of $50 bonus this year either. now it could be this co is sending this money selectively or to certain retirees from year to year or even everyone is supposed to get it but someone along the chain of employees who handle this, maybe pocketing this for themselves. if you consider that this is a company of employees who defrauded our people so many times and for so many millions, why not pocket few $50 Amex checks to get your own enhanced christmas bonus. you say impossible? not at all, the checks are issued as cash to bearer. It is as good as cash.
Defrauding few of needy retirees would not trigger any guilty feelings to these hardened criminals.
how low can they go?
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:58 AM
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NOTHING HAS CHANGED. THEY CONTINUE WITH LIES TO THEIR PENSIONERS AND THEIR REPS. APPOITMENTS ARE GIVEN OUT ONLY AFTER BEGGING FOR MONTHS AND THEN AS ALREADY REPORTED THE APPOINTMENT IS CANCELED. IN THE MEANTIME NOVARTIS WORLDWIDE REPORTS HIGHER THAN USUAL GROWTH. MANY WHO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AGREE THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF FRAUD COMMITTED NOT ONLY IN USA (PUNISHED WITH HUGE FINED ALREADY) BUT IN EVERY COUNTRY THEY OPERATE. EVEN IN SWITZERLAND THEY DEFRAUD THEIR VERY OWN GOV'T AND PEOPLE.
WHAT CAN POOR RETIREES DO? CAN YOU HELP THEM WITH SOME IDEAS?
The latest appointment with top dog* has been canceled again as per pattern seen for the last 5 years. Imagine the retires rep could not get to see anyone from Dorval's office for at least 5 years re some issues including badly needed updates allready done for Swiss and USA retires. Every appointment was canceled withour rebooking. Same goes on.The poor rep keeps trying and will do it till the last pension deposit. Dorval hopes no one will be up to the task after.
*lowest hyena.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:24 PM
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As I watch Egypt and victory of the people power, got an idea. The Novartis suffering retires who live in Montreal could join forces and start the demonstration in front of Novartis HQ in Dorval. Come with banners denouncing this heartless company and state your case of being so much behind the others financially while the management of this company conducts the orgy of plundering our health care system by using all kinds of illegal and unethical business practices. Of course the managemet is awash in bonuses and high saleries and they also pay the employees quite well although they deserve much more of that loot they help extract from our taxpayers.
This demostration can be started in Montreal with local retires and one is sure that many others from other parts of the country would join at least on occasion.
Imagine what would happen when this is shown on local TV and printed in Montreal papers. All of the sudden Novartis that presents a picture of perfect and responsible corporate citizen, would look much worse than Mubarak himself.
Believe it, it could be done and would be successful within days of first demonstration in front of their fancy building built with that looted monies they took from us over the years.
This company can not afford to be in the public eye as a corporation that does not care about its retires. They have too much to hide so any negative publicity is non-negotiable.
So do it. This company is so rich that no one has any idea how much they have taken in this country and around the world. You the long suffering retires have contributed so much and they have forgotten you almost completely and at first opportunity they will deprive you of the benefits you are on today. That is coming for sure but if you rise your voice this will not happen. Remeber all and every institution will be afraid of people power from now on. It is up to you to use it to get what you deserve and need.
People in Egypt risked life and limb for democracy and justice. All you'll "risk" is few hours of your plentifull free time. And you'll have fun too meeting your fellow retires sufferers.
So let's unite and do it.
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Old 03-17-2011, 07:01 PM
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There is a group of Novartis pensioners, I believe in Toronto that meets at least twice a year. The topic of fair treatment of retires is always on and on and on. They keep deluding themselves that something will be done by this nasty company. It will not during the lifetime of most curent retires. Unless they do something like suggested to go and demonstrate in front of their HQ in Dorval. They must take their gloves off and confront the evil and deal with it as it should be done. What have they to lose? Nothing.
What the leaders will do go ahead and beg for that "appointment" with the current CEO who will give it to them, then cancel it without rebooking and pass it on to the next one. And so on and so on. You are dealing with liers, cheaters, defrauders, manipulators and simply people who betrayed everyone and everything decent. Just look at CP Novartis USA where their reps are not afraid to post the truth about this Co. and shake your heads in disbelief.
How low this Co has follen and it still has not hit the bottom.
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Old 04-01-2011, 04:39 PM
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This is not fair to this Co. Yes they cheat steal and lie but they are basically good people. Look how well they treat their big boss in Basel, over $30.000.000.00 per year. Ain't that nice, so don't bitch. Besides it is the gov't of Canada that is to balme. They give you such generous CPP and OAS that there is no need for adjusting your Novartis pension. On top you get regula increases of these two that amount to unprecedented 0.5% per year.
So just STFU and wait to end it.
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Old 06-11-2011, 05:13 PM
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There is a group of Novartis pensioners, I believe in Toronto that meets at least twice a year. The topic of fair treatment of retires is always on and on and on. They keep deluding themselves that something will be done by this nasty company. It will not during the lifetime of most curent retires. Unless they do something like suggested to go and demonstrate in front of their HQ in Dorval. They must take their gloves off and confront the evil and deal with it as it should be done. What have they to lose? Nothing.
What the leaders will do go ahead and beg for that "appointment" with the current CEO who will give it to them, then cancel it without rebooking and pass it on to the next one. And so on and so on. You are dealing with liers, cheaters, defrauders, manipulators and simply people who betrayed everyone and everything decent. Just look at CP Novartis USA where their reps are not afraid to post the truth about this Co. and shake your heads in disbelief.
How low this Co has follen and it still has not hit the bottom.
THEY GOT IT! Again! The appointment agreed upon and booked was AGAIN canceled few days before the time agreed upon. Tom Rossi with whom the appt was made is leaving now and is the 4th CEO who betrayed this group and lied to as usually. Whoever is coming to continue the nasty work of this co will have done the same as he will be briefed on the successful formula to lie to and disrespect those who have cntributed to the success and wealth of this company. Many of them did what you the current employees do, lie, cheat, bribe and do anything legal and illegal under orders to make this co even richer with money that it does not deserve in spite of "saving" peoples' lives for profit.
However there is such thing as KARMA and some day someone will use that evidence on nasty work done for decades that exist out there and walk into appropriate office and do the right thing. You reading this. if you have any decency left, look for and collect the evidence for one day it will come in handy for you both to save your ass and to do the right thing. The new law is coming to fight cos like this one and you who will have the evidence will be part of that KARMA that must and will happen. No one who does what this co does must be allowed to get away for ever. Enough is enough.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:34 PM
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You are not the only one being treated badly. Your friends south of your border had just had $280.000.000.00 stolen from their pension funds. Novartis US by using financial machinations, they learned for the Wall St types, stole this monies from the pensioners in that country. So be happy they still throw few $$ at you so you can survive while the bosses in NJ and Basel and elsewhere continue their orgy of taking your $$ for their personal gains beyond what is humanly accetable in civilized societies.
Frankly they dont give a shit about you or anyone including those sick that they claim they are in business to save from diseases and early death. All they care about their profits, returns on investments for shareholders and their personal loot. Yes you hitched your wagon to the right train, gave them your best and all and this is your reward.
What is even sader that the new generations which includes your children, will do even worse with these bastards holding the power over them, they abuse. The big pension fund robery done this time is a good indication and ominus sign for all.
Will they take it like pussies or will they stand up for their rights and for themselves like human beings?
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:32 PM
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There is a group of Novartis pensioners, I believe in Toronto that meets at least twice a year. The topic of fair treatment of retires is always on and on and on. They keep deluding themselves that something will be done by this nasty company. It will not during the lifetime of most curent retires. Unless they do something like suggested to go and demonstrate in front of their HQ in Dorval. They must take their gloves off and confront the evil and deal with it as it should be done. What have they to lose? Nothing.
What the leaders will do go ahead and beg for that "appointment" with the current CEO who will give it to them, then cancel it without rebooking and pass it on to the next one. And so on and so on. You are dealing with liers, cheaters, defrauders, manipulators and simply people who betrayed everyone and everything decent. Just look at CP Novartis USA where their reps are not afraid to post the truth about this Co. and shake your heads in disbelief.
How low this Co has follen and it still has not hit the bottom.
That is right they are meeting in TO and soon they will meet again, poor bastards. What is known they mainly chew the fat over and over and their main topic is; how to get some more chicken bones from their former tormentor for whose account they cheated, stolen, lied, broke Canadian laws and things like that to make sure that the Co was growing and sending as much ill gotten loot as humanly possible to their masters in Basel.
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:17 PM
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Here we go again. The third or fourth CEO of Novartis that would not see the reps of behind-the-Swiss pensioners, the Canadian ones. Everyone in Swisstzerland and USA has been updated as far as consumer price index rate is concerned, but the Canadian pensioners.
Now these poor bastards have another CEO to deal (or not to deal) with. He is Raid Sharif (?) who no one ever heard of. On this note, why is Novartis Canada having a revolving door policy for their CEO's? Most likely they are installed as the lackey, pawn, instrument, tool, flunky for their murky policies they practice in this Country. You have read about this elsewhere and are aware about the illegal and unethical practices this Co uses routinely to enrich itself, management and it's stockholders, but not employees and certainly not to keep their retirees current in terms of cost of living etc..
You see when CEO comes in, he (it's never she with Novartis) knows the score as far as using that illegal stuff, but for him to keep his distance from it and have that "buffer" he can not stay more than 1-2 years. If he did and something happens, say somene takes the evidence to RCMP or local police for their investigation and prosecution (by the way this never happens but just in case) he could not use this "buffer" as an excuse for saying "I did not know anything about it". So the short tour of duty in Canada assures CEO to stay isolated from the misconduct he approves and even orders done. while the other protagonists (like product managers, marketing guys, reps etc) would be exposed to legal action if the evidence were strong etc. Again this has not happened yet but their lawyers know this is a good thing to do and it works for them. If it happened (even miracles are possible) the Basel HQ would provide all the money needed for everyone to get off easy. Just as in case of Rx@D infractions and fines, some get a slapt on their fingers (for PR benefit) but everyone is OK and they are soon back doing the same thing.
So you see there is money for anyone and everything Novartis and their wiseguys need but not for the old wisepeople who put this Co. (regardless how it turned out, they did not work for is per se) on the map and made it one of the most successful and now the "heartlessest" of them all.
Let's watch if Mr. Sherif, book an appointment and cancels it few days before, as the last few did.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:14 PM
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Well things are not that bad. All of you (actually some will not as punishment) will get your most exciting, annual gratitude of this multi-billion-zillion company, your Christmas bonus. Yes you can look forward with maximum gratitude and longing and love towards this super-duper rich company to sacrify significan amount of their mostly ill-acquired take and give you that all year anticipated and waited for Christmas bnus.
Yes folks you are in for usual annual excitement that comes with getting such a wonderful and worthy gift as the Christmas bonus given so generously and unselfishly by your former employer for whom you gave all you got and beyone. For whom you, on top of your honest hard work, had to cheat, lie, steal, defraud, bribe, conduct illegal trials and many more illegal and unethical practices under orders to do or else.
Yes that time has come as usually around this time and you will be recipient of this wonderful and worthy Christmas gift at any time now. Friendly worning for those who suffer from any hearth (you do have a heart unlike them) ailments to please take it easy with your excitment once the envelope comes in. Have someone else open it for you, slowly introduce the content and then you can enjoy it as you do every year.
Enjoy your Christmas bonus from your super-rich (good deal thanks to you) Swiss based and infested all over the World, former employer Novartis AG in the grand amount of $50.00 as every year.
Make it last till next time, many do for they simply can't spend it.
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:14 AM
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That is right they are meeting in TO and soon they will meet again, poor bastards. What is known they mainly chew the fat over and over and their main topic is; how to get some more chicken bones from their former tormentor for whose account they cheated, stolen, lied, broke Canadian laws and things like that to make sure that the Co was growing and sending as much ill gotten loot as humanly possible to their masters in Basel.
They will meet this month of April (how foolish but appropriate for this month) again to go over same things as they do every meeting. Those who lead them and strugle for the cause will again report that their appointment with the Dorval CEO has been canacelled as per usually giving them some BS reason, as usually. How shameful behaviour by one of the ostensibly leading bigpharma cos in the World not only in insignifican market of Canada. Maybe that is why these poor victims are treated like this. Who would care about a country's pensioners where there is an all out war against them all not just the Novartis ones.
Instead of getting together to waste their limited time, make a decision to get tough with this cruel and nasty corporation. Designe some kind of approach that would be detrimental on any aspect of this co's comfortable fleesing of our health care system. For instance many of the pensioners know and have evidence of their x co's illegal activities. Many did implement their illegal and unetical promotional plans under orders but knew they were doing the illegal. So why not get these incriminating and irrefutable things together and make a subtle "suggestion" that lawyers would be hired to take class action against the co for ordering them to do illegal work on Co behalf. All pensioners are all guilt ridden to this day and only significan compensation in regular and dicent pension adjustments would relieve this guilt. After all everything in our culture has a price and they would be willing to forget and forgive for the right price.
What have they got to lose? Nothing but the shame of being treated like trash.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:45 PM
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Yup. New meeting same old story. Four long years later they still are looking for that meeting with by now 4th CEO since they had an appointment and all made but cancelled just before the date. Now they have CEO by the name Riad Sherif. Good luck with this guy. If the previous ones with closer ties with them did not do it, how can they expect someone like this one do it for them. He will probably move their customer service and maybe even secretarial service overseas to work for pennies per hour all hours of the day.
Till they do something that really counts as suggested and get them over the barrel with threat to expose their nasty, illegal ways nothing would happen.
So much incriminating evidence and knowledge wasted instead used against these seasoned crooks. No wonder they are laughing at poor bastards and playing them like fools.
Maybe they deserve it.
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:57 AM
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we are at least 45% behind at this time and no indications this super rich co will do anything to help us. we are left to our own devices. then why don't those who got the evidence come forward and take it to police. why not?nothig wrong with that. they are hurting us, patients, public, emloyees, envitonment and who knows who and what else. so if we hurt them by exposing them to law we do the right thing as citizens and nothing will change,. you'll get your pansion worth 55% anyway even if this fucking co went under. which they will never for they stole enough for eternity. thanks to you who have the evidence they keep stealing and not looking after us anyway. come on show some guts and initiative. when you were acting on their orders to steal, lie, bribe etc for them you did. Why not now, you got nothing to lose.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:07 PM
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Good news for Novartis pensioners everywhere, maybe. This no good SOB company has been ranked as #1 by sales, in the World. 51.3 billions in sales last year and growing. It has pulled ahead another bad one Pfizer that ranks #1 in criminal charges and fines in USA at well over $2.5 billions in fines. Your Co is about 5-6th in criminal charges and fines at close to $1 billion so far.
Well what does it mean for you., poor undercompensated pensioner of this no good SOB company. Will they throw a chicken bone your way so you can keep up with inflatiion at least? Doubt it but even miracles are possible.
Now what do you think this $53.1billion in sales consists of? Meaning how much it comes from using legit business practices and how much from using the illegal, criminal, unethical and immoral practices? You don't believe that all these billions come from being nice to patients, goverments and people around the world where they operate their bigpharmafia biz. Of course no. This co has been a leading member of pharmafia for at least , since they took on the name Novartis, meaning new way of doing business, meaning new way of using legal and illegal practices in a bland that makes it look just like any completely legal practice in doing business. Read this again if you did not get it first. It is important for everyone to understand that Novartis has invented the use of combined practice that includes BOTH legal and criminal, which renders this practice (business model) far more effective than using only one kind of practice separately. Two plus two becomes five in this business approach if you can call this. we call it simply mafia style of doing biz. With their practice of OMERTA and your keeping your mouth shut, they are very unlikely to get caught and exposed in canada that cuddles organized corporate criminals as if they were the most honest and socially responsible corporate citizens.
Now the answer to that key question: most conservative estimate would put the split 60% legit 40% illegal out of that 51.3 billions in sales. Now if only they would use some of that ill-equired wealth to throw few chicken bones your way. One would figure it would not cost them much considering it came so easy (criminal money always is an easy money). BUT they would not be bigpharmafiosi if they did not keep EVERYTHING.
Keep hoping till the end.
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:19 PM
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Good news for Novartis pensioners everywhere, maybe. This no good SOB company has been ranked as #1 by sales, in the World. 51.3 billions in sales last year and growing. It has pulled ahead another bad one Pfizer that ranks #1 in criminal charges and fines in USA at well over $2.5 billions in fines. Your Co is about 5-6th in criminal charges and fines at close to $1 billion so far.
Well what does it mean for you., poor undercompensated pensioner of this no good SOB company. Will they throw a chicken bone your way so you can keep up with inflatiion at least? Doubt it but even miracles are possible.
Now what do you think this $53.1billion in sales consists of? Meaning how much it comes from using legit business practices and how much from using the illegal, criminal, unethical and immoral practices? You don't believe that all these billions come from being nice to patients, goverments and people around the world where they operate their bigpharmafia biz. Of course no. This co has been a leading member of pharmafia for at least , since they took on the name Novartis, meaning new way of doing business, meaning new way of using legal and illegal practices in a bland that makes it look just like any completely legal practice in doing business. Read this again if you did not get it first. It is important for everyone to understand that Novartis has invented the use of combined practice that includes BOTH legal and criminal, which renders this practice (business model) far more effective than using only one kind of practice separately. Two plus two becomes five in this business approach if you can call this. we call it simply mafia style of doing biz. With their practice of OMERTA and your keeping your mouth shut, they are very unlikely to get caught and exposed in canada that cuddles organized corporate criminals as if they were the most honest and socially responsible corporate citizens.
Now the answer to that key question: most conservative estimate would put the split 60% legit 40% illegal out of that 51.3 billions in sales. Now if only they would use some of that ill-equired wealth to throw few chicken bones your way. One would figure it would not cost them much considering it came so easy (criminal money always is an easy money). BUT they would not be bigpharmafiosi if they did not keep EVERYTHING.
Keep hoping till the end.
Good news, bad news:
Q2 net profit for Novartis worldwide $2.700.000.000.00. Yes that is billions and again the key question; how much of that was made by using legal, ethical and moral practices and how much was made by using their criminal, unetical and immoral practices they developed over decades to the level of pure (criminal) art form.
For you abandoned retirees there will be nothing again and you continue with your useless meetings and promises of appointments with the current CEO. He does not give a shit who you are, what you are and what you feel or think. You had your usefulness when you did the crime for them under orders that never gave you a direct order to do it. It was always wrapped into nice package that even the most honest of you could not decipher which is crime and which is not. And that is the art form for using crime as legit practice to make those outrageous profits on the backs of world's sick and not ( if you forgot pushing your drugs beyond indications is a crime both financial and medical for you are convicing doctors to use your drug even on healthy people let alone sick who need a specific approved drug for the sickness they have).
If you want to do something useful, find a way to make them share some of this ill-acquired loot with you not only those close to Basel HQ. Let's wait to see how much "Dr" Weasella will weasel out this time.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:54 AM
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The poor hopless pensioners are planning another of those futile meeting in Oct. If you are interested to attend and see how they were again cancelled by the Co CEO, you could get the address here. Just ask.
The abuse continues........
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:28 PM
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I worked for Novartis 18 years. Since they closed down the facility where I worked and severed all employees 14 years ago, I've worked elsewhere. Now that I'm approaching retirement age, I've contacted them for a statement of my pension benefits. Guess what? They've never heard of me and have no record of me. It turns out my ex coworkers had the same treatment. It's standard procedure. You have to practically sue them to get your pension payments.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:00 PM
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I worked for Novartis 18 years. Since they closed down the facility where I worked and severed all employees 14 years ago, I've worked elsewhere. Now that I'm approaching retirement age, I've contacted them for a statement of my pension benefits. Guess what? They've never heard of me and have no record of me. It turns out my ex coworkers had the same treatment. It's standard procedure. You have to practically sue them to get your pension payments.
This does not surprise anyone. This would not happen had Novartis never happen via the merger that terminated two most wonderful Cos. You would be treated as well as any employee and your pension would be secured. Novartis changed everything. The new company (their name Novartis means New way of doing things in Greek, I belive) decided to do evdrything the "new way". That included use of illegal, criminal, unethical, immoral etc etc practices to achieve their brutally high and unreasonable goals to loot Canadian public health care system. You can learn more about this by reading Novartis related threads here and on American side of cafe pharma.
No amount stolen or defrauded is small for them. The pensioners and their brutal treatment are good example. If you read this thread so far, you have your onswers what and how they do it. This Co is so bad in terms of morality and human decency that nothing criminal, immoral, unethical or simply dirty is off limit when it comes to their work.
In my conservative estimate this Co, since merger has defrauded our financially strapped health care system, by at least $999 million. Practically a billion dollars looted from taxpayers and sick people. That means for evry "honest" dollar they make they also make another looted dollar. No wonder they pay the employees quite well as result. Naturally when you loot that kind of money, you must pay your soldiers relatively well if you want to be sure they'll continue doing what you order them to and keeping their fucking mouths shut.
Poor bastards do not realize that what crime they do for this Co, they are entitled to far more, like at least ten times more in compensation.
That will not happen, as it will not happen that poor pensioners get few chicken bones thrown at them. The bulk of loot goes to crime-inventors and designers and of course to secret bank accounts and coffers located in Basel.
Yes this is a short story of "the best place to work" and steal. We who oppose this kind of Organized Corporate Crime will continue to work on that False Claim Act for Canada and when we do have it, this will be the very first Co we'll expose. Evidence galore!
Remember there is no statute of limitation for crime. So any of you still working for this criminal enterprise/biz collect the evidence and keep it for that day all hell will open.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:34 PM
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This does not surprise anyone. This would not happen had Novartis never happen via the merger that terminated two most wonderful Cos. You would be treated as well as any employee and your pension would be secured. Novartis changed everything. The new company (their name Novartis means New way of doing things in Greek, I belive) decided to do evdrything the "new way". That included use of illegal, criminal, unethical, immoral etc etc practices to achieve their brutally high and unreasonable goals to loot Canadian public health care system. You can learn more about this by reading Novartis related threads here and on American side of cafe pharma.
No amount stolen or defrauded is small for them. The pensioners and their brutal treatment are good example. If you read this thread so far, you have your onswers what and how they do it. This Co is so bad in terms of morality and human decency that nothing criminal, immoral, unethical or simply dirty is off limit when it comes to their work.
In my conservative estimate this Co, since merger has defrauded our financially strapped health care system, by at least $999 million. Practically a billion dollars looted from taxpayers and sick people. That means for evry "honest" dollar they make they also make another looted dollar. No wonder they pay the employees quite well as result. Naturally when you loot that kind of money, you must pay your soldiers relatively well if you want to be sure they'll continue doing what you order them to and keeping their fucking mouths shut.
Poor bastards do not realize that what crime they do for this Co, they are entitled to far more, like at least ten times more in compensation.
That will not happen, as it will not happen that poor pensioners get few chicken bones thrown at them. The bulk of loot goes to crime-inventors and designers and of course to secret bank accounts and coffers located in Basel.
Yes this is a short story of "the best place to work" and steal. We who oppose this kind of Organized Corporate Crime will continue to work on that False Claim Act for Canada and when we do have it, this will be the very first Co we'll expose. Evidence galore!
Remember there is no statute of limitation for crime. So any of you still working for this criminal enterprise/biz collect the evidence and keep it for that day all hell will open.
This commentator is 1110% right. No amount of $$ is too small for them to take in. So now you saw it when that little Dorval floozy told you your last chicken bone will be taken away not another thrown at you. Yes I am talking abut your beloved and most appreciated $50 for Christmas they sent regularly. "It did not align with best practices", you were told. Meaning:
1. They are punishing you some more so you'd never ask for "please Sir I want some more" and would remain "happy" with what you got.
2.They want to show to auditors they are "honest" and it is easy with chicken shit like this. At the same time they are covering up millions in looted money they make on their illegal schemes, like Diovantage and Destinations were and now with some new ones we don't know about yet.
3.Or it is simply the utter greed that overtook someone along the management food chain who wanted to show some other one they mean biz when it comes to looking after the interests of this, frankly criminal entity.
Of course Dr. Dan Wheasella will be very pleased for he may gain a Swiss frank or so on his usually enormous sallary and bonus. You did know his base sallary was over 30.000.000.00 Swiss Frank. That is more in $$ either Ca or USA. Bonus is top secret and with one of them he purchased a helicopter for personal use. The kind not even well financed Swiss Police have, so on occasion they borrow his for their needs whan after some criminals. Not to worry the Don of Novamafia will never be in trouble.
"Enjoy" your retirement. Weasella will his for sure.
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Old 01-10-2013, 03:43 PM
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This just in: Swiss citizens will vote in referandum to curtail and control executive compensation of their companies by giving share holder right to decide what is paid to them for that little real work they do. The greed of their executives, specifically and especially at Novartis has triggered this outrage. If you did not know Vasella is no longer CEO and Chair, but his seccessor, some Mexican American is reportedly making (better said taking, stealing, enforcing, extracting) as mush as it would take 266 years for lowest paid Novartian to make the same money, the honest non-greedy way. "Poor" Vasella who is now "only" Chair is making ONLY 220 times as the same poor bastard slaving for Novartis. Can you F*&&%$ believe this. Of course you can for it is some of your pension $$ that pay for this on top of stolen, looted and otherwise ill-equired money this Co "makes" that contributes to this outrageous greed.
By the way when Vasella generously relinguished his CEO majesty position, he was given a measly $12.000.000.00 plus Swiss Fr. to see him through his retirement. This on top of his inflation adjusted pension, in millions per year.
"Happy" new year. Don (as in Don Carlione) Weasella will have one, two, three.....maybe even 40 more. He would not want to die early with such appropriate pension for a crook of his caliber.
Let's watch what good citizens of Swissland will decide. If they do the right thing, watch a literal revolution around the world against the executives of all kindas. The realm people who slave for little non-livable wages and pensions have had enough. All we need a spark, leader and BINGO it's over for the new aristocracy, as someone called them on American Novartis cafepharma. Read it, learn and be rady when the time comes. It will soon.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:50 AM
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This just in: Swiss citizens will vote in referandum to curtail and control executive compensation of their companies by giving share holder right to decide what is paid to them for that little real work they do. The greed of their executives, specifically and especially at Novartis has triggered this outrage. If you did not know Vasella is no longer CEO and Chair, but his seccessor, some Mexican American is reportedly making (better said taking, stealing, enforcing, extracting) as mush as it would take 266 years for lowest paid Novartian to make the same money, the honest non-greedy way. "Poor" Vasella who is now "only" Chair is making ONLY 220 times as the same poor bastard slaving for Novartis. Can you F*&&%$ believe this. Of course you can for it is some of your pension $$ that pay for this on top of stolen, looted and otherwise ill-equired money this Co "makes" that contributes to this outrageous greed.
By the way when Vasella generously relinguished his CEO majesty position, he was given a measly $12.000.000.00 plus Swiss Fr. to see him through his retirement. This on top of his inflation adjusted pension, in millions per year.
"Happy" new year. Don (as in Don Carlione) Weasella will have one, two, three.....maybe even 40 more. He would not want to die early with such appropriate pension for a crook of his caliber.
Let's watch what good citizens of Swissland will decide. If they do the right thing, watch a literal revolution around the world against the executives of all kindas. The realm people who slave for little non-livable wages and pensions have had enough. All we need a spark, leader and BINGO it's over for the new aristocracy, as someone called them on American Novartis cafepharma. Read it, learn and be rady when the time comes. It will soon.
Any of you mistreated, abused, ignored and otherwise F**&&ed pensioners tried to figure out how many years you still have to live to equal Vasella's 1) usual loot he takes on yearly basis for doing fuck all (can a mental patient do such job. Yes he can for it takes no brain to do it. All you need to merry right as he did) 2) his multimillion pension that is waiting for him nicely hidden in a safe Swiss bank account?
Yes I agree. You could not possibly live close to or well over thousand years for some. But he, with that superb health care in Swissland and that clear unpolluted air, just may. Besides those with high incomes do better in everything. Now you know why you don't get your inflation thing for he would be deprived of at least 100 SF per year for the rest of his lavish life. He can't have that, can he?
So keep hoping to get that appointment with his Dorval representative CEO. It can actually do you some good for the longer they BS you and the longer you wait and believe you will get it in the end, you may in fact live longer. If you want it that is.
In the end it all works out for someone.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:11 AM
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It seems so called doctor vasella is finally out. He was in fact fired and did not manage to take another multimillion loot. The good people of Swiss stopped him and now it is the law that shareholders can say what kind loot they can take. "They" meaning CEOs and other thiefs like vasella was.
Perhaps now tat he is out and company is saving millions, they migh find it proper to throw few chicken bones your way. At least stand up and ASK, DEMAND if necessary. They owe it to you, it is that simple.
If we would only have the same democracy as Swiss people. They do almost every major thing by referendum which is the ONLY true democratic tool. What do we have? Harper et al, the bunch of fascist that took over this country with hardly 40% of support and behave as hitlerites, without concentration camps. At least for now. It may change soon, once he gets another "majority".
Shame on us as people who let thigs like this happen. That is why you don't get anything from Novartis either, for you have no guts to stand up for yourselves just as the general population of this sad country has not.
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:17 AM
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It seems so called doctor vasella is finally out. He was in fact fired and did not manage to take another multimillion loot. The good people of Swiss stopped him and now it is the law that shareholders can say what kind loot they can take. "They" meaning CEOs and other thiefs like vasella was.
Perhaps now tat he is out and company is saving millions, they migh find it proper to throw few chicken bones your way. At least stand up and ASK, DEMAND if necessary. They owe it to you, it is that simple.
If we would only have the same democracy as Swiss people. They do almost every major thing by referendum which is the ONLY true democratic tool. What do we have? Harper et al, the bunch of fascist that took over this country with hardly 40% of support and behave as hitlerites, without concentration camps. At least for now. It may change soon, once he gets another "majority".

Shame on us as people who let thigs like this happen. That is why you don't get anything from Novartis either, for you have no guts to stand up for yourselves just as the general population of this sad country has not.
The saga of Novartis pensioners vs the company re econmic adjustment of their pensions, continue.
You guessed it, the appointment with the new (fifth) CEO was canceled days if not hours before it took place. Of course it never was intended to take plce, the new CEO by the name D. Riad Sherif B, continued the unsavory tradition to BS the poor pensioners just as the previous did. Interestingly this one is also "doctor" as Vasella was, but we don't know if he too sufferes from some kind of mental issue that makes him even more devious than just plain nasty CEO the usually appoint now days.
Will these good, honest, decent etc people break the cycle of shame/abuse and stand up for themselves. Collectivelly they have a vast knowledge and evidence of this co's nasty and generally illegal/criminal behaviour over decades, but especially since the merger. Will they use this incriminating knowledge/evidence to expose this co once and for all as an nasty entity that has skimmed/looted our health care system to the tune of several hundreds of millions of dollars.
As a group, perhaps they will not for they stay loyal to the co they loved (it does not exist eny longer) and put on the map in this country. But an individual or so may emerge as whistleblower if not sooner but whe they may be at the end of the line for whatever reason. They will have nothing to lose but shame and abuse they experiences since retirement.
If one were the CEO of this co they would be wise to meet these good people and offer the best they can to make them happy again and forget that what they know is criminal, immoral, unethical etc this co has done for such long time and likely continues to do, with new and improved crooked ways.
We on the other hand will do everything we can to eventually bring all such companies to justice one way or another. Next govt will be forced to react once they see the overwelming evidence.
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:52 PM
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Have evidence and am pissed off with this fucking, cheap comany. It's on diovan from very begining, promotion off label, bribery, diovantage and destination fake trials. Does any one know if there is statute of limitation on crimes like this? I think I'll just walk into RCMP offices and do it before is too late. For me not them. What a bunch of lowlives.
Retired & suffering.
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:52 PM
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6700 hits so far. Perhaps good few hundreds read this thread. Does anyone ELSE have an opinion on what is going on and what will happen re Novartis retirees future? Let's here it. You can not possibly be so docile or not care.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:01 AM
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6700 hits so far. Perhaps good few hundreds read this thread. Does anyone ELSE have an opinion on what is going on and what will happen re Novartis retirees future? Let's here it. You can not possibly be so docile or not care.
So you are absolutely docile and do not give a shit, be you retired or not from this evil comany that managed to BS the world that it is as pristine as Swiss alps water and air. Maybe this is the very reason the Canadian pensioners are treated badly as they are. You say nothing for yourselves except with that pathetic activity via the group lead by, what's her name Michelle we believe. But then as general population, Canadians are as pathetic as Novartis' pensioners and employees. Look what current govt is doing to you. No self respected nation would tolerate even 10% of abuse that you do. That tells you how pathetic, apolitical and boring you are. The only thing you got going for you (for now) that this is a truly rich country and even though you have such unjust and abusive socio-economic system, you still get enough chicken bones thrown at you by the ruling power elite, that you can still live in half decent comfort.
What will happen soon when the inequality is brought to the level of 1% having 99% of wealth and you , well "the rest"? How the fuck will you live then? How are your children going to live then? Are you then still not going to stand up for yourselves?
Think about that, if you still have any thinking cells left in your shrinkng brain.
Ps: we who travel, especially across Europe are shocked how advanced those people are in ways you are not. Culturally and politically you are at least 2-3 centuries behind. With harperism in place, you are going even more backward. Yes, vote for him again to your and yours demise.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:00 PM
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Question to wise guys in Dorval: we see here someone reported that you managed to loot/take in at least 1/2 billion of dollars in "extra" sales and profits using illegal means/schemes. Like fake PMST (Diovantage 1-5, Destination), Diovan investment fund bribery scheme, briberies of speakers and other doctors, offlabel promotion of all of your drugs, etc etc. the list never ends.
That means you have accumulated such an enormous loot that you could easily finance a little old increase in your poor pensioners', pensions. How about it, during this festive season. On top you don't have to pay that famous "Christmas bonus" you so ruthlessly stopped last year.
How lucky you are. So far none of these victimized pensioners, who put this Co on the map of bigpharma, who obeyed your orders regardless whether they were legal or illegal, came forward and reveiled the evidence they have to the authorities of this country. They could do that any time, or at least some can. It would take only one decent old Sandoz or Ciba/Geigy employee, with proper evidence to show up at RCMP and start the process of taking you down for your misconduct that has cost the good people of this country 100s of millions, from your crimes and billions from all bigpharma that does this in concert.
And this will happen. Not "would happen" but will happen. No way all of them will take this irrefutable evidence (no statute of limitation) to their graves. One will do it for sure. We know for sure.
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