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  #1  
Old 09-02-2010, 06:30 AM
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Default New Lumigan: What a joke

What the hell is wrong with this company? One of my docs told me about the new LUmigan and asked why it was coming out when Xalatan was going generic. I was embarassed and told him it would be new "Lumigan Light" and he said it wasn't going to work and he wouldn't be switching patients and fighting managed care before Xalatan goes L.O.E in March. He promised to still use Combigan but told me he was disgusted by the line extension.

What the hell is Allergan thinking? Are all of us glaucoma reps going to have jobs in March?
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:58 PM
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OP: Well e-ask that question, I am sure you are an Alcon person trying to dig for info. Lumigan 0.01 will rock, same efficacy, better AE than Travatan, 1st line indication. Lumigan will grow share due to xalatan LOE, Travatan has promoted itself as a me-too to Xalatan for years, while everyone knows Lumigan drops IOP better. Travatan will be in deep trouble. Lumigan 0.01 has done very well in the three markets that have had it before the U.S. It will be fun... by the way watch Novartis drain your R&D budget, and with your already weak R&D pipeline you will not be around in a few years. They did the same thing with Ciba Ophthalmics, years ago.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:38 PM
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OKAY- what crap are you smoking to come up with that bit of marketing wizzardtry to get the "old" Lumigan a new life? It's the old trick like any other drug that has gone from a once a day to extended release to some combo drug just to keep the patent going...and why with Lumigan?? The OP hit it on the head- Docs are not going to buy it- (blah blah better IOP) when it does come to a drug that may or maynot work as you say compared to the competition- the cheap competition will win every time. Cost is everything. You can't tell a doc that EVERY patient will benefit from lumigan when they have had experience with Xalantan and it has kicked butt for some of his patients. Cost rules medicine now.......

In regards to jobs- I don't think that Glaucoma drugs will be marketed by reps very much longer- it will be a dying segment of pharma sales......Xalatan will kill the industry-
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Old 09-07-2010, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

yes what nitwits are board is! What with new Lumigan we finally have to admit our hyperemia rates to our doctors. We've told them it's not bad and manageable and now we have to admit it was a bad drug for nearly 10 years. Lord, can't wait to get the backlash from Alcon and Pfizer (for the leftover time they have)
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:28 AM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

i got busted. One of my glaucoma specialists said to me that I had minimized the hyperemia impact for years. He was joking but I could tell he was serious. Dont' think I will get buy in. What happens with X going generic?
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Old 09-08-2010, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

funny how none of you are mentioning the doubling or quadrupling of the bak in new lumigan.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

I mentioned this to a KOL and he said this was a collasal waste of time with generic latanaprost hitting the market next year. He said patients dictate with cost and only branded PG's would get a trivial piece of the market? Do you think this is true?
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:35 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

Can you hear that? It's the sound of the Eye Care sales force being crushed.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:45 AM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

Is this product going to be called Lumigan Light. How do we tell our doctors now that the old product had hyperemia. Jesus H Christ
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:48 PM
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I don't want to sell Lumigan Light. It's sooooo embarassing coming out 2 years late right before X goes generic and Trav tried to improve their product adding the Z. Jesus Christ is right!
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Old 09-11-2010, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

I agree. This is an embarassment to our glaucoma reps. It's a last ditch effort to get a few scripts before X goes generic. My Pfizer rep said he was looking for a job but wouldn't sell on the glaucoma side b/c there was no future in this side. He's looking for anti-infectives
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

this is a very dumb idea. why can't we ever come up with an innovative product? this company really embarasses me.
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:55 PM
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Love all the nervous fake posters here. I am sure they are all alcon losers. Well in both markets where our Lumigan 0.01 is approved we have rocked. Now your "Me-Too selling that you are like Xalatan will kill you. Lumigan is the most efficacious, don't even try to argue agaisnt that. Now we are eual in A.E. if not less than that stinging crap yu call Travatan Z, have you been watching your share go donw the last 8 weeks, now we have Lumigan 0.01!!!!! BY the way Novartis will run you into the ground like they did the Ciba opthalmics division, oh you don't remember Ciba had Oph Drugs, well that is what people will be saying about Alcon with in 3-5 years. They only want your Srugrical stuff. Have fun selling to Primay Care at Novartis
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:09 AM
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i coudn't disagree more. Who is the dipshit that thinks we will sell lots of ANY prostaglandin after Xalatan LOE. It's not TZ fool. We're fighting subsitution of monumental scale. X will be the first ophthalmic agent to go generic of billion dollar proportion. This last post sounds like someone that did not go to college or drinking the Kool Aid in marketing. Mark my words, it will be a bloodbath next Spring for us
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Old 09-15-2010, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

why a nat'l sales meeting for this stupid product? this is getting embarassing for glaucoma reps!
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:58 PM
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Love all the nervous fake posters here. I am sure they are all alcon losers. Well in both markets where our Lumigan 0.01 is approved we have rocked. Now your "Me-Too selling that you are like Xalatan will kill you. Lumigan is the most efficacious, don't even try to argue agaisnt that. Now we are eual in A.E. if not less than that stinging crap yu call Travatan Z, have you been watching your share go donw the last 8 weeks, now we have Lumigan 0.01!!!!! BY the way Novartis will run you into the ground like they did the Ciba opthalmics division, oh you don't remember Ciba had Oph Drugs, well that is what people will be saying about Alcon with in 3-5 years. They only want your Srugrical stuff. Have fun selling to Primay Care at Novartis
hahahahahahahahah- Oh my god-this post made my day. To think there are people in this company that actually think this new formulation is going to work? Keep pulling these idea's out of your ass and lets come up with another brain storm of an idea- Oh wait, here's one- Lets mix's Optive and Lumigan together- You have to be one of those F***in newby 23 year old's that the company picked up off the street to bend over and take what ever they feed you- Have any of you seen those types in the training dept and let alone the marketing team? Please, show up in your 3 series BMW's at the local national meetings driving off together like a bunch of F*** buddies...How about some of the real upper management guru's in some convertible Jag- come on- you all are all for show-

Tell you what? You can have my miserabl job if this 0.01 makes it in the market- It won't and it won't even come close- Good luck though!!!
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

How are you going to spin quadrupling the bak?

And the pi says up to 7mm reduction, one mm less than travatan z and lumigan. And the pi shows the same hyperemia rates as original lumigan.

Sounds like a winner. Can't wait to sell against this.
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Old 09-18-2010, 02:05 AM
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talk all the crap you want! Pfizer is done, alcon...go bundle your lenses and try to force docs to write your crappy drugs because that is the only way you get share. As far as xalatan generic goes, let's wait and see. An already watered down drug (just good enough), watered down more by generic companies, I see pressure spikes in the future that will put your crappy durazol to shame. Look at the study that compares branded vs. the generic in india! Laugh all you want. Oh yeah, your second generaton lipid has already proved it sux! Allergan will be launching theirs in the future with injections after that, have fun selling your express shunts, you might need one for your mouth to filter all the crap that is spewing.....don't be a hater! BTW, I live in Texas and plan to ram the .01% straight up ft. worth's ..................Sorry about dropping a "legit" study on you, I know you all in ft. worth are only trained to look at "rabbit studies"! You guys have done more for the advancement of bunnies than any other company! Thanks, my daughter can sleep great at night knowing that drops for her pet will have great penetration. What's next, TZ for dry eyes, with a PH of 5.7 and every single study EXCLUDES dry eye patients, your speakers have a TON of credibility. Do you serve rabbit stew at Dinner Programs? I mean, you must have a lot of them on hand with all of those AWESOME studies!
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Old 09-18-2010, 09:08 AM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

last post. did you go to a reputable college? or were you educated by substandard conditions in the sick state of Texas?
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Old 09-18-2010, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

Ha Ha. Good one
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

was part of the Lum-X team and there are some truths behind some of the objections voiced above. The reps that have the best relationships and can spin sell will survive this launch. Those who are shaky to begin with will struggle. Lets just hope not all of the clinical trials come to light!!!!!
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:47 PM
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Lol Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

you are all missing the big picture here morons.
Managed care will determine what generic latanoprost a patient gets put on!!

Unless your docs write DAW, and the patient pays cash, all managed care companies are going to remove all Lums and TravZ from formulary. Everything will be generics!!

You can sell with any study, clinical or piece of shit glossy you want.
When your doc Rx a PG next March, it will be rejected at the pharmacy and a generic will be substituted!!

Wake up already!!
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Old 09-18-2010, 05:06 PM
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honey child you are so right! this company has been blowing smoke up my black ass for so long!
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:35 PM
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LMAO..................u guys are too funny and on the money. Be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks.
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

Generic Xalatan will rule the market - the economy will have everyone asking for generics to save money, and the physicians will accomodate it because in the end, they want to keep their patients happy.

But I'm sure good ole' Brian Hogan will have us telling everyone that the new Lumigan has NO side effects.
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:30 PM
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Default Re: New Lumigan: What a joke

did you guys read the PI? the hyperemia is WORSE than .03. with quadruple the bak? how will we explain to drs why we quadrupled the bak?

and the PI is 1 mm less efficacy than .03 and TZ.
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:43 PM
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did you guys read the PI? the hyperemia is WORSE than .03. with quadruple the bak? how will we explain to drs why we quadrupled the bak?

and the PI is 1 mm less efficacy than .03 and TZ.
WAIT- I feel a roll play coming out of this question- can't wait to get to the relaunch meeting and practice practice practice every which way to encounter the "smoke screen" the docs will put up. marketing will have to work for once and get out some pretty good responses...but first they will ask the field to send in their best for a $25 gift card....can't wait for this whole thing to blow up in the companies face- this is why someone is paid the big bucks and the multi million stock options to come up with THIS game winning idea!
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Old 09-23-2010, 01:29 PM
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a dr asked me today how we could launch this product with Xalatan going generic this winter? he said we never come up with anything innovative since Restasis. I was embarassed.
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:03 PM
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a doctor told me today he wouldn't write a brand PG once a generic was out? Is this true?
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:08 PM
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Yes- Because the doc becomes a hero to their patients being able to treat and save them money- this will be a huge hill to climb to get any momentum out of it-
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:10 PM
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a dr today told me he heard about the new lumigan. i asked if the rep told him about quadrupling the bak? he said he did and explained that more bak would help break down the cornea to allow the drug to penetrate.

i asked him how often breaking down the cornea is a good thing, he said never.

like shooting fish in a barrel.

hyperemia rates are actually WORSE in new lumigan and 1 mm less efficacious than both TZ and original lumigan.

already have the PI from new lumigan and having a field day.

keep telling drs it has the hyperemia of xalatan and the efficacy of original lumigan.

every once in awhile something like this comes along to make things fun again.
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Old 09-30-2010, 07:23 AM
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Does anyone remember the "Benefits of BAK" sheet that we used to have for Zymar? You've got to love it - we used to bash BAK in Vigamox when we promoted Zymar, and now we're upping the BAK in Lumigan. Hopefully the docs have short memories.
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Old 09-30-2010, 07:27 AM
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Hogan is a bum!
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Old 09-30-2010, 03:34 PM
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you Alcon idiots, BAK in a QD drug is nothing!!!!!! Better than the sorbic acid in Sofzia!!!!

Lumigan we know besta the crap our of Travatan in Efficacy and now the AE's worst case are equal. Lumigan 0.01% will gain 2 share points rather quickly. Gp spend time selliung your BS tobradex product and your Systane Balance. You guys have no pipeline on top of it. Oh by the way, patanol woill be in touble come next year. Gotta love it, maybe Novartis will have a PCP position for you all in a few years.
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Old 09-30-2010, 11:25 PM
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you Alcon idiots, BAK in a QD drug is nothing!!!!!! Better than the sorbic acid in Sofzia!!!!

Lumigan we know besta the crap our of Travatan in Efficacy and now the AE's worst case are equal. Lumigan 0.01% will gain 2 share points rather quickly. Gp spend time selliung your BS tobradex product and your Systane Balance. You guys have no pipeline on top of it. Oh by the way, patanol woill be in touble come next year. Gotta love it, maybe Novartis will have a PCP position for you all in a few years.
If you're going to snap at us "Alcon idiots" - try spell check. Maybe you can have your mom preview your responses for grammer and spelling prior to submitting them.
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Old 09-30-2010, 11:31 PM
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Here's a thought - if the genious Indy/MI glaucoma manager stops harrassing and chasing off his MI reps, he might have someone to sell Lumigan X. Of course, he can only repeat what upper management says to him because he has no original thoughts of his own.

Won't be long until you're on the chopping block BJH!
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:58 PM
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Does anyone remember the "Benefits of BAK" sheet that we used to have for Zymar? You've got to love it - we used to bash BAK in Vigamox when we promoted Zymar, and now we're upping the BAK in Lumigan. Hopefully the docs have short memories.
Same amount of BAK as Xalatan, never stopped them from writing it!! Maybe you should learn to sell and quit whining.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:38 AM
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Same amount of BAK as Xalatan, never stopped them from writing it!! Maybe you should learn to sell and quit whining.
Oh, you've got me pegged! It's not whinning genious (or is it Hogan?), it's the facts.

If you're a field rep, then I could care less about your opinion. If you're a manager (Hogan), then why don't you get into the field and try some selling. All you managers do is follow upper management's playbook and have no original thoughts of your own. You harrass your reps because you can't sell anymore. I don't feel bad for any of you - you probably thought you were hot s____ when you made manager, and then found out it wasn't very easy. Not you don't know what to do except harrass your reps.

Bite me.
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:07 PM
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You completely avoided the point. If Lumigan .01% has the same BAK as Xalatan why can't you sell it? Because YOU are a DICKWAD!
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:27 PM
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saw another dr today. dr questioned the rep about adding bak, again rep said "we are just trying to break down the cornea little bit".

me and dr had a huge laugh.

according to the PI, same, if not worse side effects as .03, less efficacy, more bak. sounds like a winner.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:14 PM
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The pain train is coming get ready
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Old 10-10-2010, 08:25 AM
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one of my top glaucoma doctors told me Allergan really messed up with Lumigan RC. He said we should focus on coming out with innovative meds. He's moving patients over to Xalatan since it's going generic. What should I say please? i'm so depressed being here at allergan sometimes
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Old 10-10-2010, 01:01 PM
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Tell your docs that is a good economical cost savings move for their patients!!
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Old 10-10-2010, 08:49 PM
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one of my top glaucoma doctors told me Allergan really messed up with Lumigan RC. He said we should focus on coming out with innovative meds. He's moving patients over to Xalatan since it's going generic. What should I say please? i'm so depressed being here at allergan sometimes
Sounds just like the conversations revolving around converting drs from zymar to zymaxid..ugh
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Old 10-11-2010, 01:17 AM
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With the new glaucoma shunts the drugs are going to slowly die............................
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Old 10-13-2010, 02:27 PM
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Sounds just like the conversations revolving around converting drs from zymar to zymaxid..ugh
need the line extensions to support the next novel med. You kids are clueless...
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Old 10-13-2010, 02:29 PM
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one of my top glaucoma doctors told me Allergan really messed up with Lumigan RC. He said we should focus on coming out with innovative meds. He's moving patients over to Xalatan since it's going generic. What should I say please? i'm so depressed being here at allergan sometimes
Ask him why he continues to support a company that hasn't introduced an innovative drug to Ophthalmology since 1996. (Pfizer n Xalatan). Hold them to the same standard.

And btw, you really couldn't come up with this on your own?
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Old 10-14-2010, 10:38 AM
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And that new Lumigan is innovative?? Tell me a drug that needs to be created to keep this dying Glaucoma industry alive? Lets blow a couple of hundred million on something that you will never see a return on?? 1996 seemed like a good year to stop for me!
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Old 10-14-2010, 04:05 PM
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And that new Lumigan is innovative?? Tell me a drug that needs to be created to keep this dying Glaucoma industry alive? Lets blow a couple of hundred million on something that you will never see a return on?? 1996 seemed like a good year to stop for me!
You are an idiot.
If everyone stopped in 1996 we wouldn't have Lumigan, Travatan, Cosopt, Combigan, Alphagn P.
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:08 PM
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Hogan is a bum!
I can't believe JH is still posting on cafe pharma.
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