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Old 12-07-2010, 09:19 PM
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How much longer before the entire Saphris force is jettisoned?
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:04 AM
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Clearly we are in countdown mode, its only a matter of time.
probably fold Saphris in with another product initially cutting out the need for Neuro Spec field force, then maybe give to a contract sales force.

There will be cuts associated with this, sooner rather than later folks, sorry.
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:55 AM
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Your an idiot quit spreading lies to make people nervous. No one knows when cuts are coming and who they will target. It could be any division at any time. The company is not going to walk away from selling a product in the biggest revenue generating class of meds, especially only with one year into launch. I can't stand you iditos who post crap just to make people nervous. Everyone knows today we have jobs tomorrow we may not, thats nothing new. Unless you have credible information keep your trap shut on CP.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:08 AM
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Your an idiot quit spreading lies to make people nervous. No one knows when cuts are coming and who they will target. It could be any division at any time. The company is not going to walk away from selling a product in the biggest revenue generating class of meds, especially only with one year into launch. I can't stand you iditos who post crap just to make people nervous. Everyone knows today we have jobs tomorrow we may not, thats nothing new. Unless you have credible information keep your trap shut on CP.
HAHAHAHA, Hire to retire is right under your nose, I just love CTMs trying to hurry and cover up the crime scene, looks like the blood will be on YOUR hands loser! Grow some balls and tell your sales people to polish their resume and start looking! We have families to feed dirt bag! Hope YOU get the kool-aid spiked with arsenic!

For those people who need to know, this hire-to-retire process is across all divisions...go to one merck and search hire to retire, you will see, the best part about this "fine" company is not only are they going to stab you in the back, but CTM's will pick their "yes men" favorites and the rest...well you get the picture
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:20 PM
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Your an idiot quit spreading lies to make people nervous. No one knows when cuts are coming and who they will target. It could be any division at any time. The company is not going to walk away from selling a product in the biggest revenue generating class of meds, especially only with one year into launch. I can't stand you iditos who post crap just to make people nervous. Everyone knows today we have jobs tomorrow we may not, thats nothing new. Unless you have credible information keep your trap shut on CP.
Sounds like FF is at it again. Please FF, tells us in the field how good this drug is? We know how Fred Hassan saved your sorry a@@ from Bayer and you got to retire under the S/P banner. We also know how great a sales person you were--so, please tell us again, how do we sell this loser?
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:55 PM
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<<The company is not going to walk away from selling a product in the biggest revenue generating class of meds, especially only with one year into launch.>>

Especially with all the generics - and soon to be generics.
Yeah, right, the company would never walk away from this drug - over a year post launch - and what is the market share?? Has it reached a steady 1% share yet?

Open your eyes, drink a little less kool-aid, smarten - up!
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:51 PM
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Walk away from drug happens all the time in an industry. Might come out ahead by dumping it for a tidy sum.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:19 PM
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Saphris hasnt picked up in a year, every new drug has a small window of opportunity at the start, this drug never saw it
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:49 PM
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Will S-P folks still be protected with the Fred H. Severance package through November 2011?
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:53 AM
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Yes, Legacy Schering-Plough employees will fall under the SP severance plan until January 7, 2012. 2 years from the date of the "merger" layoffs and not from "Day 1"
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:57 PM
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Yes, Legacy Schering-Plough employees will fall under the SP severance plan until January 7, 2012. 2 years from the date of the "merger" layoffs and not from "Day 1"
How are you certain that it is 1/7/12, and not "day 1", which would make it 11/4/11?
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:21 PM
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Actually, 3/9/10 was the actual "lay-off" date post merger on Day 1, you might have to factor in the 60 day WARN period
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:22 PM
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anyway you slice it, as far as Saphris goes - the party's over......
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:55 PM
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anyway you slice it, as far as Saphris goes - the party's over......

So where will the psych reps party next? No party in the neuro room either.
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:31 PM
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It is time everyone stops kidding themselves about this drug, it sucks, both "flavors". It is only a matter of time for all the psych reps. I hope you are ready for a transition into something else. Unfortunately, not many companies will hire you with the same cushy base you are making now. I know it sucks and the "hope" for this drug is endless but there will be an end soon. When the end will come is anyones guess, Merck may not sink much more money or time into this peice of crap.
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Old 12-17-2010, 12:01 PM
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It is time everyone stops kidding themselves about this drug, it sucks, both "flavors". It is only a matter of time for all the psych reps. I hope you are ready for a transition into something else. Unfortunately, not many companies will hire you with the same cushy base you are making now. I know it sucks and the "hope" for this drug is endless but there will be an end soon. When the end will come is anyones guess, Merck may not sink much more money or time into this peice of crap.
You're so wrong. Fred said this is one of the 5 shining stars and I believe him. Time to get out there and sell baby, sell!
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:29 AM
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It is time everyone stops kidding themselves about this drug, it sucks, both "flavors". It is only a matter of time for all the psych reps. I hope you are ready for a transition into something else. Unfortunately, not many companies will hire you with the same cushy base you are making now. I know it sucks and the "hope" for this drug is endless but there will be an end soon. When the end will come is anyones guess, Merck may not sink much more money or time into this peice of crap.
You're ignorant. You are only worth this much of a rebuttal because of your ignorance and lack of cogent, not hyberbolic, thought.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:21 PM
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You can call it what you will. This drug has gone nowhere fast. It may have been one of the five stars before it was introduced to the market, but it is the market that determines a drugs success. If it does not sell it will be gone soon. How do you think the BOD at Merck views a drug that has had to adjust their sales forecast down 2 times in one year? It is a real pity that you and others do not realize that the writing is on the wall. When you have a mass exodus of high and low level folks getting out of this division it is time you start to really think about the future of this drug. What does it offer that the competitors don't? What is the current MS, 0.6? The brand team had forecasted a 1.99 for 2010. What gives? Good luck.
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:10 AM
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You can call it what you will. This drug has gone nowhere fast. It may have been one of the five stars before it was introduced to the market, but it is the market that determines a drugs success. If it does not sell it will be gone soon. How do you think the BOD at Merck views a drug that has had to adjust their sales forecast down 2 times in one year? It is a real pity that you and others do not realize that the writing is on the wall. When you have a mass exodus of high and low level folks getting out of this division it is time you start to really think about the future of this drug. What does it offer that the competitors don't? What is the current MS, 0.6? The brand team had forecasted a 1.99 for 2010. What gives? Good luck.
Well said.

Markets define opportunity. It is a pity that in order to be promoted here you have to reflexively say "yes, yes" to everything. There is an absolute dearth of critical thinking skills amongst the management bands.
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Old 12-23-2010, 03:09 PM
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Well said.

Markets define opportunity. It is a pity that in order to be promoted here you have to reflexively say "yes, yes" to everything. There is an absolute dearth of critical thinking skills amongst the management bands.
Would agree, but don't think people at the tippy top or on Wall Street see this as a big issue. Don't think HR does. Maybe it is not so important anymore in a publicly traded company in a regulated industry. Obama pushes higher education, but you wonder why bother when it won't get used in most U.S. jobs.
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Old 12-23-2010, 04:01 PM
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Would agree, but don't think people at the tippy top or on Wall Street see this as a big issue. Don't think HR does. Maybe it is not so important anymore in a publicly traded company in a regulated industry. Obama pushes higher education, but you wonder why bother when it won't get used in most U.S. jobs.
Most US jobs is a laugh. Obamas higher ed for all is total insanity. Ever notice the money plumbers, electricians, repairmen, contractors and blue collar trades and service providers make? Its more money then most white collar professionals. And they have no college tutition bills for years and years. College is not worthwhile for a big percentage of the population. Whoopie your a history, economics, english, blah blah blah major. Now what? Should have gone to a trade school!
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:13 PM
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Would agree, but don't think people at the tippy top or on Wall Street see this as a big issue. Don't think HR does. Maybe it is not so important anymore in a publicly traded company in a regulated industry. Obama pushes higher education, but you wonder why bother when it won't get used in most U.S. jobs.
And that is precisely why it IS a big issue. Complacency from the "tippy top", complacency from Wall Street analysts briefed by the complacent "tippy top", YadaYadaYada.

It is truly sad to see a company powered by innovation 20+ years ago ceded to the sycophantic, social engineering technocrats, who are driving it into oblivion.
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:26 AM
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former SP, applied and as pased over for Saphris position, then laid off last year.
Just wondered how it was going - and was it a blessing in disguise that I was cut?
I know Saphris was going to be a tough sell, but figured it would be interesting and a change of pace from the Zetia battles I was waging.

S0 does it satisfy an unmet medical need yet?
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Old 01-30-2011, 10:08 PM
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Be glad you were passed over. The only thing bad about being passed over is that you got let go. The opportumity with this drug is very limited. It has many disadvantages compared to its competitors and will struggle again this year to gain any real traction. The company has remained commited to it but I see that as being short lived and am looking for a way out. As for an unmet need, there are many unmet needs with the mentally ill, but a tablet that disolves under the tongue is not a great way to administer drugs to crazy people. Compliance is the biggest issue with these folks and Saphris is not going to change this, it may even make it harder. How did you make out after the layoff????
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:25 AM
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thanks for the response - and thanks for asking about my life post lay-off.

All I can say is thank god for the severance and subsidized COBRA.
Jobs in this industry are few and far between, generally going to those with a lot less experience, and those that see the deflated salary and bonus op as an improvement.

I tried to sell myself as someone who loves this industry (ugh...),experienced and willing to get back in the game because "this is what I do, this is who I am". Even with a great "brag" book, I feel my "experience" (age?) played against me. I was told that even though I was willing to work for less, HR statistics show that eventually I would not be happy/satisfied with the lower compensation.

So, I took a contract position for the interim, (thats a whole other story - go read their boards!) What I am working towards is a complete career change, taking all the skill sets I developed in the pharma industry and applying them to another career altogether. When you line up those skill sets it looks like "administrative asst". I don't know exacatly where it will lead, but at least the contract gig gives me that daytime flexibility to investigate, interview, take an on-line course if need be.

Basically, as much as what passes for pharma sales sucks, it sucks even more having the desire to work, a good set of skill sets, a successful track record, and no job to apply them to.
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:41 PM
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thanks for the response - and thanks for asking about my life post lay-off.

All I can say is thank god for the severance and subsidized COBRA.
Jobs in this industry are few and far between, generally going to those with a lot less experience, and those that see the deflated salary and bonus op as an improvement.

I tried to sell myself as someone who loves this industry (ugh...),experienced and willing to get back in the game because "this is what I do, this is who I am". Even with a great "brag" book, I feel my "experience" (age?) played against me. I was told that even though I was willing to work for less, HR statistics show that eventually I would not be happy/satisfied with the lower compensation.

So, I took a contract position for the interim, (thats a whole other story - go read their boards!) What I am working towards is a complete career change, taking all the skill sets I developed in the pharma industry and applying them to another career altogether. When you line up those skill sets it looks like "administrative asst". I don't know exacatly where it will lead, but at least the contract gig gives me that daytime flexibility to investigate, interview, take an on-line course if need be.

Basically, as much as what passes for pharma sales sucks, it sucks even more having the desire to work, a good set of skill sets, a successful track record, and no job to apply them to.
Welcome to Obama America....all that hope and change.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:06 PM
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Welcome to Obama America....all that hope and change.
How does that person's unfortunate situation have anything to do with President Obama?

The layoffs are strictly capitalism at its best. Corporate profits over individuals. It is all about giving money to the shareholders. Nothing more. If you want to blame anyone blame Wall Street and the Republicans.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:16 PM
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How does that person's unfortunate situation have anything to do with President Obama?

The layoffs are strictly capitalism at its best. Corporate profits over individuals. It is all about giving money to the shareholders. Nothing more. If you want to blame anyone blame Wall Street and the Republicans.
If Obama's stimulus packages had been effective, and if his policies were conducive to corporate investment, then the unemployment rate would drop and there would be more oppotunities out there for such unfortunate people. We actually need a Republican administration to get this country back on track. Watch what will happen in 2012...we've had enough of this sorry excuse of a president.
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Old 02-01-2011, 09:51 PM
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If Obama's stimulus packages had been effective, and if his policies were conducive to corporate investment, then the unemployment rate would drop and there would be more oppotunities out there for such unfortunate people. We actually need a Republican administration to get this country back on track. Watch what will happen in 2012...we've had enough of this sorry excuse of a president.
Yes we need more Republicans to give us the 2nd great depression again, or would it be the 3rd one now. More de-regulation so that banks and Wall Street can go wild and drive the economy of the cliff. The 3 biggest deficits have occured under Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr was the worst of all. He handed the keys of the worst economy in 50 years and the deficits the last 2 years were all on Bush's watch. If they did not have the stimulus we would have seen 15% unemployment. Sorry dude, I don't need more of that kind of economy. Yes Stimulus sucks unless you are giving it to banks and Wall Street to bail them out which by the way was started in the Bush administration too which John Boners approval. Turn off Fox News for a change and maybe read a book.
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:43 PM
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Yes we need more Republicans to give us the 2nd great depression again, or would it be the 3rd one now. More de-regulation so that banks and Wall Street can go wild and drive the economy of the cliff. The 3 biggest deficits have occured under Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr was the worst of all. He handed the keys of the worst economy in 50 years and the deficits the last 2 years were all on Bush's watch. If they did not have the stimulus we would have seen 15% unemployment. Sorry dude, I don't need more of that kind of economy. Yes Stimulus sucks unless you are giving it to banks and Wall Street to bail them out which by the way was started in the Bush administration too which John Boners approval. Turn off Fox News for a change and maybe read a book.
It is you that needs to get out more often. You might start by learning how government works; specifically, the legislative branch has the power of the purse, and the President does not have a line item veto. After you have learned that, go and research how often since WWII the Republicans have controlled EVEN ONE arm of the legislature, let alone two.

Then go and learn about statutory spending requirement as lathered on by Democrats. And then go and learn about how John Maynard Keynes was WRONG about everything monetary.

It is you who is poorly educated and even more poorly informed!
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:18 PM
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Yes we need more Republicans to give us the 2nd great depression again, or would it be the 3rd one now. More de-regulation so that banks and Wall Street can go wild and drive the economy of the cliff. The 3 biggest deficits have occured under Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr was the worst of all. He handed the keys of the worst economy in 50 years and the deficits the last 2 years were all on Bush's watch. If they did not have the stimulus we would have seen 15% unemployment. Sorry dude, I don't need more of that kind of economy. Yes Stimulus sucks unless you are giving it to banks and Wall Street to bail them out which by the way was started in the Bush administration too which John Boners approval. Turn off Fox News for a change and maybe read a book.
Bush Jr's deficits were NOTHING in comparison to Obama's. Rather than focus on the economy and and provide REAL stimulus for business (i.e., tax cuts), during his first two years Obama chose to jam down our throats national healthcare (making doing business in America more, not less, expensive), even though the majority of Americans were happy with their healthcare plans and didn't want any part of his agenda....but hey, he listens to the Muslim world better than he listens to those he actually has responsibility for. Oh, that's right, he wants to be the leader of the world...America, after all, is no more exceptional than any other country. Now that the house has a Republican majority, and his re-election is at stake, all of a sudden he is singing a different tune...the WSJ today reports that he is recommending tax cuts for small businesses...TWO YEARS TOO LATE! Yes, I listen to Fox News (it's the only channel on TV worth tuning into), but I read as well. Now you go back to MSNBC. Oh, that's right, Keith Oberman is gone...guess his ratings sucked.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:59 AM
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Bush Jr's deficits were NOTHING in comparison to Obama's. Rather than focus on the economy and and provide REAL stimulus for business (i.e., tax cuts), during his first two years Obama chose to jam down our throats national healthcare (making doing business in America more, not less, expensive), even though the majority of Americans were happy with their healthcare plans and didn't want any part of his agenda....but hey, he listens to the Muslim world better than he listens to those he actually has responsibility for. Oh, that's right, he wants to be the leader of the world...America, after all, is no more exceptional than any other country. Now that the house has a Republican majority, and his re-election is at stake, all of a sudden he is singing a different tune...the WSJ today reports that he is recommending tax cuts for small businesses...TWO YEARS TOO LATE! Yes, I listen to Fox News (it's the only channel on TV worth tuning into), but I read as well. Now you go back to MSNBC. Oh, that's right, Keith Oberman is gone...guess his ratings sucked.
Actually, go look up who really put the country in debt-it was the 2 front wars that we are fighting, policies by the Bush administration that borrowed against the future and cut taxes to 'stimulate' a bubble economy that failed.

Just because Palin, Beck and Rush can scream and yell to get you to watch and believe doesn't mean they're correct.

American's aren't happy with their healthplan. 80% of the American public wants the healthcare law to stay on the books and 'be improved' further. However, they just don't want to pay for it. That is the real problem.

If America's health plan is so great-why does the top 500 companies want 'to get rid' of their sponsorship of employer based health care plans? All of them have met and asked the gov't to get it off their backs because it drains their competitiveness with foreign companies.

Go tell the 96 people in AZ that the American healthcare system works! The Republican governor and State Leg have dictated 'death panels' because they want to ration healthcare.

But, wait-Sarah/Rush and Beck said it was the National HealtPlan that would do that. Why don't these millionaires step up and take care of these people? Remember, they said America would not stand by and let 'death panels' exist.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:17 AM
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It is you that needs to get out more often. You might start by learning how government works; specifically, the legislative branch has the power of the purse, and the President does not have a line item veto. After you have learned that, go and research how often since WWII the Republicans have controlled EVEN ONE arm of the legislature, let alone two.

Then go and learn about statutory spending requirement as lathered on by Democrats. And then go and learn about how John Maynard Keynes was WRONG about everything monetary.

It is you who is poorly educated and even more poorly informed!
Hey History buff, the Republicans controlled congress from 1996 to 2006. From 2001 to 2006 they controlled congress and the President. Your problem is that you don't want see the real picture, Dems might tax and spend but Republicans borrow and spend. No wonder the tea baggers are already getting upset with boner. Maybe Fox New forget to tell you that part. The problem is as another poster pointed out is that most folks in this country want things for free including 2 endless wars that we forgot to pay for.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:55 PM
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American's aren't happy with their healthplan. 80% of the American public wants the healthcare law to stay on the books and 'be improved' further. However, they just don't want to pay for it. That is the real problem.....Why don't these millionaires step up and take care of these people?...
Let's get this straight: Healthcare is not a right. It has to be earned like everything else in life. No one owes you anything. Focus needs to be on jobs. Get the unemployment rate down.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:36 PM
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Let's get this straight: Healthcare is not a right. It has to be earned like everything else in life. No one owes you anything. Focus needs to be on jobs. Get the unemployment rate down.
WTF? So, you mean to say 'tough luck' on any medical care someone might need? I guess you're just like the Governor of AZ. Tough luck-and die already. But, heck-vote Republican.

The problem in this country is that our healthcare is tied to our employment and the companies are tired of paying for it. Or haven't you noticed the increase in your premiums and deductible?

If you think any corporation has an interest in your well being, you are sadly mistaken.

But, I'm sure you will see that during the next round of layoffs. And then when they tell you the cost for the COBRA policy-you'll crying 'I can't afford this health plan.'
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:43 AM
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WTF? So, you mean to say 'tough luck' on any medical care someone might need? I guess you're just like the Governor of AZ. Tough luck-and die already. But, heck-vote Republican.

The problem in this country is that our healthcare is tied to our employment and the companies are tired of paying for it. Or haven't you noticed the increase in your premiums and deductible?

If you think any corporation has an interest in your well being, you are sadly mistaken.

But, I'm sure you will see that during the next round of layoffs. And then when they tell you the cost for the COBRA policy-you'll crying 'I can't afford this health plan.'
Those recent premium and deductible increases came after Obama's healthcare legislation passed....how could costs not go up when you are adding 30 million people into the system? If you have a distate for rationing, then the last thing you would want is to have a government-run healthcare system. Move to a socialist country, and find out what it's like. Healthcare should be tied to employment....healthcare has to be earned, not given; and when you find yourself unemployed, you should have a "rainy day fund" to tie you over until you find your next job. Unbelievable how people find money for vacations and all forms of entertainment, but when it comes to funding their healthcare, they think they should get it for free. It's this entitlement thinking that is bringing this country down.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:31 AM
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Those recent premium and deductible increases came after Obama's healthcare legislation passed....how could costs not go up when you are adding 30 million people into the system? If you have a distate for rationing, then the last thing you would want is to have a government-run healthcare system. Move to a socialist country, and find out what it's like. Healthcare should be tied to employment....healthcare has to be earned, not given; and when you find yourself unemployed, you should have a "rainy day fund" to tie you over until you find your next job. Unbelievable how people find money for vacations and all forms of entertainment, but when it comes to funding their healthcare, they think they should get it for free. It's this entitlement thinking that is bringing this country down.
It is amazing what a dream world you live in.

Healtcare in this country wasn't tied to employment until after WWII. Until then, you bought your own on the open market-if you could afford it. BTW: thinking the company owes you health insurance is the ultimate in 'anti-capitalism.' Talk about job killling. Why should your employer provide you with insurance?

As for recent increases in costs-when I first started here, my insurance was totally free. Then when I got married, I had to paid for the spouse on the policy-if she didn't have other coverage. Then, I had to start paying for just me, with a 90-10 copay on costs(what's it now? 80-20, right). During this same time span my deductible went from $100 to $300. This all happened before Obama's plan came into effect (in fact it most dramatically happened during the Reagan years). So, don't give me that all the price and deductible increases have occurred recently. It has been going on for years.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:45 AM
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Those recent premium and deductible increases came after Obama's healthcare legislation passed....how could costs not go up when you are adding 30 million people into the system? If you have a distate for rationing, then the last thing you would want is to have a government-run healthcare system. Move to a socialist country, and find out what it's like. Healthcare should be tied to employment....healthcare has to be earned, not given; and when you find yourself unemployed, you should have a "rainy day fund" to tie you over until you find your next job. Unbelievable how people find money for vacations and all forms of entertainment, but when it comes to funding their healthcare, they think they should get it for free. It's this entitlement thinking that is bringing this country down.
Try reading something once and awhile. Maybe you could get your 'facts' straight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States
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Old 02-03-2011, 10:31 AM
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Those recent premium and deductible increases came after Obama's healthcare legislation passed....how could costs not go up when you are adding 30 million people into the system? If you have a distate for rationing, then the last thing you would want is to have a government-run healthcare system. Move to a socialist country, and find out what it's like. Healthcare should be tied to employment....healthcare has to be earned, not given; and when you find yourself unemployed, you should have a "rainy day fund" to tie you over until you find your next job. Unbelievable how people find money for vacations and all forms of entertainment, but when it comes to funding their healthcare, they think they should get it for free. It's this entitlement thinking that is bringing this country down.
2 things, let's hope you never lose your job or you get sick. Then you might do ok. If you don't think health insurance premiums have not shot up the past 10 years, you are sadly living in a dream world.
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:05 PM
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It is amazing what a dream world you live in.

Healtcare in this country wasn't tied to employment until after WWII. Until then, you bought your own on the open market-if you could afford it. BTW: thinking the company owes you health insurance is the ultimate in 'anti-capitalism.' Talk about job killling. Why should your employer provide you with insurance?

As for recent increases in costs-when I first started here, my insurance was totally free. Then when I got married, I had to paid for the spouse on the policy-if she didn't have other coverage. Then, I had to start paying for just me, with a 90-10 copay on costs(what's it now? 80-20, right). During this same time span my deductible went from $100 to $300. This all happened before Obama's plan came into effect (in fact it most dramatically happened during the Reagan years). So, don't give me that all the price and deductible increases have occurred recently. It has been going on for years.
I never said that costs have ONLY increased recently...that was your interpretation. Sounds like you want free health insurance...then move to another country. Once government-run healthcare takes over, you can kiss quality healthcare good-bye.
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:48 PM
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I never said that costs have ONLY increased recently...that was your interpretation. Sounds like you want free health insurance...then move to another country. Once government-run healthcare takes over, you can kiss quality healthcare good-bye.

So what did "Those recent premium and deductible increases came after Obama's healthcare legislation passed...." mean?

Quality health care? The how come our life expectancy is less than any of the countries with a gov't run health care system? We pay for things we don't need just to argue we have the best system.

BTW: medicare is gov't run. I'm sure all the senior citizens of this country would like to see it ended, right? I sure hope none of your parents are on it.

Open your eyes-the system is broken-has been since the late 40s. when Truman was the first who tried to fix it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

And, you're basically losing money by taking an employer based health plan. As mentioned on the previous cited wikipedia site: "Although workers are effectively paid less than they would be, because of the cost of insurance premiums to the employer...."

But, go ahead-keep dreaming.
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Old 02-03-2011, 05:08 PM
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Hey History buff, the Republicans controlled congress from 1996 to 2006. From 2001 to 2006 they controlled congress and the President. Your problem is that you don't want see the real picture, Dems might tax and spend but Republicans borrow and spend. No wonder the tea baggers are already getting upset with boner. Maybe Fox New forget to tell you that part. The problem is as another poster pointed out is that most folks in this country want things for free including 2 endless wars that we forgot to pay for.
Hey Doofus,

Republicans had not controlled the house since 1952. Since 1945, eleven congress' were controlled by democrats while a democrat was the president. Eleven more congress' were controlled by democrats while a republican was president. That is 44 years of complete legislative control, of which 22 included a democrat as president for complete control of the executive and legislative branches. Nearly half a century, fool...get a clue about the origins of the debt.

And get your facts straight. The in 2001 the 107th congress was split--democrats controlled the senate. If you are going to post, at least do some basic research first. I know it is hard to turn off Oprah and Dr. Oz and Olbermann, but sometimes you have to do it.

But like so many at Merck, you ignore facts because they are inconveniently correct.

Signed,

The History Buff who actually knows the history.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:27 AM
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So what did "Those recent premium and deductible increases came after Obama's healthcare legislation passed...." mean?

Quality health care? The how come our life expectancy is less than any of the countries with a gov't run health care system? We pay for things we don't need just to argue we have the best system.

BTW: medicare is gov't run. I'm sure all the senior citizens of this country would like to see it ended, right? I sure hope none of your parents are on it.

Open your eyes-the system is broken-has been since the late 40s. when Truman was the first who tried to fix it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

And, you're basically losing money by taking an employer based health plan. As mentioned on the previous cited wikipedia site: "Although workers are effectively paid less than they would be, because of the cost of insurance premiums to the employer...."

But, go ahead-keep dreaming.
My "recent premium and deductible increases..." comment meant just that: RECENT. I didn't say that there have not been any increases prior to the "recent" timeframe. My point was that Obama's legislation only caused costs to rise further.

Yes, Medicare is government-run and it is on the verge of collapse. Anything the government touches (social security) becomes a disaster.

I would prefer to not have any deductions taken from my paycheck and be solely responsible for my own healthcare coverage as well as retirement.

If we are responsible for buying house and car insurance, then why not health insurance? And as long as companies are willing to continue offering healthcare as a benefit and means of attracting talent, all the better.

Everyone has to have "skin in the game"; otherwise it becomes a handout and the system is abused.
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:28 AM
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My "recent premium and deductible increases..." comment meant just that: RECENT. I didn't say that there have not been any increases prior to the "recent" timeframe. My point was that Obama's legislation only caused costs to rise further.

Yes, Medicare is government-run and it is on the verge of collapse. Anything the government touches (social security) becomes a disaster.

I would prefer to not have any deductions taken from my paycheck and be solely responsible for my own healthcare coverage as well as retirement.

If we are responsible for buying house and car insurance, then why not health insurance? And as long as companies are willing to continue offering healthcare as a benefit and means of attracting talent, all the better.

Everyone has to have "skin in the game"; otherwise it becomes a handout and the system is abused.
Try again, dude.

So, I will go with you implying that the 'recent increases' where those of this year. Yet, the recent healthcare plan has not added anything to the cost of your insurance. Only a small portion of the plan is even in effect right now-being able to keep your kids on the plan up to age 26 and change in liability. But, as you acknowledged, the cost of insurance has been going up in the past. So, where were you when blame should have been put on the Bush adminsitration for letting it happen? But, in reality the cost has been going up nearly every year and this despite another large profit year by the insurance industry: http://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/...up-41-percent/

Medicare isn't going under and neither is Social Security. Remember-Reagan took care of that...ha, ha. Though, as a country we have to start thinking of when do we allow people to draw on the funds. Yes, eventually their could be a problem as the current format of the plans was not designed to cover people living until they're 75+ y.o. That's why it is 'in danger.' But, this is again-Americans wanting something for nothing.

And your statement "If we are responsible for buying house and car insurance, then why not health insurance? " You aren't responsible for buying car insurance. It is mandated-if you have a car-you must have insurance. If you don't there is a penalty-fines, loss of car, license. Pretty much just like what is proposed for the new mandate to have health insurance.

But, the take home is: we ration health care right now-including your own. Take a look at the policy you have-probably a $1M lifetime limited liability. That's rationing. The new health care plan eliminates that. It also eliminates loss of coverage if you lose a job-a real possibility around this place nowadays. With your thoughts, I sure hope you aren't one of the losers that Mother decides to get rid of.

As far as companies supplying healtcare, again-it wasn't always that way. Companies are tyring hard to get rid of it. Again, corporations aren't in it to make you happy, they're in it to make money. Oh, BTW: only 60% of the large corporations in America supply healthcare plans to their employees.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:04 AM
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My "recent premium and deductible increases..." comment meant just that: RECENT. I didn't say that there have not been any increases prior to the "recent" timeframe. My point was that Obama's legislation only caused costs to rise further.

Yes, Medicare is government-run and it is on the verge of collapse. Anything the government touches (social security) becomes a disaster.

I would prefer to not have any deductions taken from my paycheck and be solely responsible for my own healthcare coverage as well as retirement.

If we are responsible for buying house and car insurance, then why not health insurance? And as long as companies are willing to continue offering healthcare as a benefit and means of attracting talent, all the better.

Everyone has to have "skin in the game"; otherwise it becomes a handout and the system is abused.
Your insurance went up to make more money for the insurance company. That's it. Nothing more. Period.

They're in the business to make money-they do it by controlling their payouts against what they take in.

But, since you brought up-recent:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Aetna-...80774.html?x=0


Why not just give money back to their customers? Whoops, my bad, they did-they're going to pay a dividend to their stockholders-their true customers.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:37 AM
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"Take a look at the policy you have-probably a $1M lifetime limited liability. That's rationing. The new health care plan eliminates that. It also eliminates loss of coverage if you lose a job-a real possibility around this place nowadays. With your thoughts, I sure hope you aren't one of the losers that Mother decides to get rid of." [quote]

Just who is living in "dreamland"? So, the new health care plan will eliminate lifetime limited liabilities for every soul in this country. And just how will this be funded? By our deficit-wrought government that is hoping the Chinese will continue to buy our debt?

Don't worry about me, the so-called "loser" in your eyes...I am well-positioned in the event of a layoff. In fact, I welcome it...can't wait to get my hands on that severance.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:18 PM
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thanks for the response - and thanks for asking about my life post lay-off.

All I can say is thank god for the severance and subsidized COBRA.
Jobs in this industry are few and far between, generally going to those with a lot less experience, and those that see the deflated salary and bonus op as an improvement.

I tried to sell myself as someone who loves this industry (ugh...),experienced and willing to get back in the game because "this is what I do, this is who I am". Even with a great "brag" book, I feel my "experience" (age?) played against me. I was told that even though I was willing to work for less, HR statistics show that eventually I would not be happy/satisfied with the lower compensation.

So, I took a contract position for the interim, (thats a whole other story - go read their boards!) What I am working towards is a complete career change, taking all the skill sets I developed in the pharma industry and applying them to another career altogether. When you line up those skill sets it looks like "administrative asst". I don't know exacatly where it will lead, but at least the contract gig gives me that daytime flexibility to investigate, interview, take an on-line course if need be.

Basically, as much as what passes for pharma sales sucks, it sucks even more having the desire to work, a good set of skill sets, a successful track record, and no job to apply them to.

Well....all I can tell you is, if all your skill sets lined up look like and administrative asst., you're in for a rude awakening. I'm an admin by profession and there's no jobs there either.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:58 PM
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[quote=Anonymous;3839481]"Take a look at the policy you have-probably a $1M lifetime limited liability. That's rationing. The new health care plan eliminates that. It also eliminates loss of coverage if you lose a job-a real possibility around this place nowadays. With your thoughts, I sure hope you aren't one of the losers that Mother decides to get rid of."
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Just who is living in "dreamland"? So, the new health care plan will eliminate lifetime limited liabilities for every soul in this country. And just how will this be funded? By our deficit-wrought government that is hoping the Chinese will continue to buy our debt?

Don't worry about me, the so-called "loser" in your eyes...I am well-positioned in the event of a layoff. In fact, I welcome it...can't wait to get my hands on that severance.
Ha, ha. It's one of those 'I'm your neighbor and I'm a millionaire' guys.

Sure you are. That's why you're still here crying-
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:21 PM
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"Take a look at the policy you have-probably a $1M lifetime limited liability. That's rationing. The new health care plan eliminates that. It also eliminates loss of coverage if you lose a job-a real possibility around this place nowadays. With your thoughts, I sure hope you aren't one of the losers that Mother decides to get rid of."

Ha, ha. It's one of those 'I'm your neighbor and I'm a millionaire' guys.

Sure you are. That's why you're still here crying-
Who's crying? You libs can't respond to the issue, so you change the subject...how typical. Answer the question: How will your dream government-run healthcare plan be funded?
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:22 PM
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The subject used to be Saphris on this string. Political rants of any flavor might satisfy their respective authors but they never resolve anything, it seems. Usually they spiral down to personal attacks. Staying on point for Saphris has a small chance at least of enlightening some of us and that could provide us with some personal or professional advantage.
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