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Old 01-22-2011, 11:35 AM
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Default S1,S2, S3 Placement Clarification

For some reason all of heard different things and not having slides is leading to confusion. Our Managers all answered differently and some seemed annoyed by this whole process. This is what I thought I heard and wrote down. Please correct me if you understand differently

1. All placements will be based on our core competencies that our previous managers ranked us on and nothing else.
2. All reps in the top 30% regardless of current pay grade will be called to see if they are interested in being an S3.
3. All the reps in the top 30% regardless of grade who are called will be an S2 even if they are not selected for S3.
4. Reps currently Grade 5-6 who place from 31%-90% will be S2.
5. Reps currently Grade 5-6 in the bottom 10% will be S1.
6. Reps currently Grade 7-8 from 31% to the bottom will be S1.

So basically if you did not get a call from your manager this week about an S3 position and your grade 5-6 you are likely an S2. And if your grade 7-8 and didn't get a call your likely S1.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:51 PM
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For some reason all of heard different things and not having slides is leading to confusion. Our Managers all answered differently and some seemed annoyed by this whole process. This is what I thought I heard and wrote down. Please correct me if you understand differently

1. All placements will be based on our core competencies that our previous managers ranked us on and nothing else.
2. All reps in the top 30% regardless of current pay grade will be called to see if they are interested in being an S3.
3. All the reps in the top 30% regardless of grade who are called will be an S2 even if they are not selected for S3.
4. Reps currently Grade 5-6 who place from 31%-90% will be S2.
5. Reps currently Grade 5-6 in the bottom 10% will be S1.
6. Reps currently Grade 7-8 from 31% to the bottom will be S1.

So basically if you did not get a call from your manager this week about an S3 position and your grade 5-6 you are likely an S2. And if your grade 7-8 and didn't get a call your likely S1.
Thanks, I never got a clear answer on the how and why reps would be placed in S1 and S2; only knew that the 10% of region would be S1.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:26 PM
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For some reason all of heard different things and not having slides is leading to confusion. Our Managers all answered differently and some seemed annoyed by this whole process. This is what I thought I heard and wrote down. Please correct me if you understand differently

1. All placements will be based on our core competencies that our previous managers ranked us on and nothing else.
2. All reps in the top 30% regardless of current pay grade will be called to see if they are interested in being an S3.
3. All the reps in the top 30% regardless of grade who are called will be an S2 even if they are not selected for S3.
4. Reps currently Grade 5-6 who place from 31%-90% will be S2.
5. Reps currently Grade 5-6 in the bottom 10% will be S1.
6. Reps currently Grade 7-8 from 31% to the bottom will be S1.

So basically if you did not get a call from your manager this week about an S3 position and your grade 5-6 you are likely an S2. And if your grade 7-8 and didn't get a call your likely S1.
Who knows. This S placement is just another measure to get rid of reps. There are going to be some demotions and bruised ego's, leading to more people leaving.
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Old 01-22-2011, 05:46 PM
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Who knows. This S placement is just another measure to get rid of reps. There are going to be some demotions and bruised ego's, leading to more people leaving.
Remember folks, this new system may eventually help your career path. Currently you have the same S-4 managers constantly jumping to other management internal jobs. Also, MGAMS are in this same mix, it is simply a constant circle. Thus, there is no upward movement or career path for field reps.

With the new system, incompetent managers and MGAM's can and will be let go for a proven, competent S-3. The S-3 will have developed the skills necessary to replace these old recycled S-4's. You watch, S-3's will begin running meetings, approving expense reports, be inolved in interviewing and going back and forth to headquarters. This is the best legal way for mother Merck to justify letting some of these ole timers who don't know how to manage jack crap. Perfect example, HSA's already do the same as s-4 managers and much, much more. They have been designated as S-3's, although most are already in this same band so it doesn't really matter. You watch, many will be managers soon, think about it.

I for one am glad to see the senior manager type who has only been here less than 15 years be challenged about his or her skills. Most are good if not great, a few are complete disasters. Oh, Peter Kim should be given an S-1 and PIP at the same time.

Your future S2 comrade.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:09 PM
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For some reason all of heard different things and not having slides is leading to confusion. Our Managers all answered differently and some seemed annoyed by this whole process. This is what I thought I heard and wrote down. Please correct me if you understand differently

1. All placements will be based on our core competencies that our previous managers ranked us on and nothing else.
2. All reps in the top 30% regardless of current pay grade will be called to see if they are interested in being an S3.
3. All the reps in the top 30% regardless of grade who are called will be an S2 even if they are not selected for S3.
4. Reps currently Grade 5-6 who place from 31%-90% will be S2.
5. Reps currently Grade 5-6 in the bottom 10% will be S1.
6. Reps currently Grade 7-8 from 31% to the bottom will be S1.

So basically if you did not get a call from your manager this week about an S3 position and your grade 5-6 you are likely an S2. And if your grade 7-8 and didn't get a call your likely S1.
1: True
2: False (must be eligible per % and mgr/dir discretion)
3: True
4: True
5: True
6: False (bottom 10% will be S1, rest will be S2)
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:11 PM
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So I didnt get a call I have been here 8 years and I am grade 7. I guess I am still an S1. Wow I have really moved up! I mean down!


I have been VP once and directors 3 times. Been on several region boards and was point for our busiest product every year. I got senior just prior to the freeze on promotions in 06.
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:22 PM
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So I didnt get a call I have been here 8 years and I am grade 7. I guess I am still an S1. Wow I have really moved up! I mean down!


I have been VP once and directors 3 times. Been on several region boards and was point for our busiest product every year. I got senior just prior to the freeze on promotions in 06.
You are such a tool. Who cares, really? LMAO! Welcome to the new way of American business. This is why 90 precent of the wealth is now owned by 10 percent of the people. The fat lady is clearing her throat. Soon we WILL be in the ranks of the "have nots" unless you and I have one hell of a plan B.
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:47 PM
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You are such a tool. Who cares, really? LMAO! Welcome to the new way of American business. This is why 90 precent of the wealth is now owned by 10 percent of the people. The fat lady is clearing her throat. Soon we WILL be in the ranks of the "have nots" unless you and I have one hell of a plan B.
Alina has been singing the whole time she has been here. We've just tried to ignore her obnoxious songs. She'll probably sing the Star Spangled Banner in Phoenix, Rosanne Barr style.
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Old 01-23-2011, 02:12 PM
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1: True
2: False (must be eligible per % and mgr/dir discretion)
3: True
4: True
5: True
6: False (bottom 10% will be S1, rest will be S2)
Are you sure about number 6? I am pretty sure a higher percentage of 7-8 grades will S1
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Old 01-23-2011, 02:18 PM
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Remember folks, this new system may eventually help your career path. Currently you have the same S-4 managers constantly jumping to other management internal jobs. Also, MGAMS are in this same mix, it is simply a constant circle. Thus, there is no upward movement or career path for field reps.

With the new system, incompetent managers and MGAM's can and will be let go for a proven, competent S-3. The S-3 will have developed the skills necessary to replace these old recycled S-4's. You watch, S-3's will begin running meetings, approving expense reports, be inolved in interviewing and going back and forth to headquarters. This is the best legal way for mother Merck to justify letting some of these ole timers who don't know how to manage jack crap. Perfect example, HSA's already do the same as s-4 managers and much, much more. They have been designated as S-3's, although most are already in this same band so it doesn't really matter. You watch, many will be managers soon, think about it.

I for one am glad to see the senior manager type who has only been here less than 15 years be challenged about his or her skills. Most are good if not great, a few are complete disasters. Oh, Peter Kim should be given an S-1 and PIP at the same time.

Your future S2 comrade.
Nice try for HSA. They are barely a S1 in skill set. Read a few articles each month & manage your speakers. What an easy job. They should be givenS1 bonus because they don't effect sales,
Does anyone know their target bonus. Shouldn't they be paid like West Point people, small bonus. Its really a hand holding exercise.
How many speakers does each one manage? I call on over 50 clinics monthly with 200 doctors.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:07 PM
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Are you sure about number 6? I am pretty sure a higher percentage of 7-8 grades will S1
Yes. Read the slide set. 10% will be S1s.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:11 PM
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Yes. Read the slide set. 10% will be S1s.
Our CTM (excuse me, CTL) never forwards any slide sets. We have to totally rely on our note-taking.
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:55 AM
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Yes. Read the slide set. 10% will be S1s.
Wrong. 10% of execs or sr execs. A Senior or below that was not in the top 30% last year will be a S1. I have the slides in front of me.
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Old 01-24-2011, 11:26 AM
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Managers sometimes are given a quick briefing or participated in a teleconference or the slides are then sent to them the day before. Then they have to pretend they are the experts. Thus all the confusion and interpretations.
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Old 01-24-2011, 11:53 PM
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Wrong. 10% of execs or sr execs. A Senior or below that was not in the top 30% last year will be a S1. I have the slides in front of me.
You are misinterpreting the slides.
Bottom 10% of reps will be S1s.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:54 AM
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You are misinterpreting the slides.
Bottom 10% of reps will be S1s.
Wrong!

S1 will be comprised of all reps Senior and lower that are not in the Top 30% of MBO rankings by their former managers. This group will also include any Sr Execs. and Execs. that fall in the bottom 10% of MBO Rankings

S2 will be made up of any Senior Exec and Exec that were in the Top 90% of MBO, and any lower level (Prof 1, 2, Senior) that are in the Top 30% that do not receive the Lead (S3) positions.

S3 positions are far and few between. DCO's can have varying amounts, for example, the Southeast will only have seven - S3's. Anyone in the Top 30% will be evaluated by their new CTL, then the exec team will discuss and place accordingly.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:51 PM
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Wrong!

S1 will be comprised of all reps Senior and lower that are not in the Top 30% of MBO rankings by their former managers. This group will also include any Sr Execs. and Execs. that fall in the bottom 10% of MBO Rankings

S2 will be made up of any Senior Exec and Exec that were in the Top 90% of MBO, and any lower level (Prof 1, 2, Senior) that are in the Top 30% that do not receive the Lead (S3) positions.

S3 positions are far and few between. DCO's can have varying amounts, for example, the Southeast will only have seven - S3's. Anyone in the Top 30% will be evaluated by their new CTL, then the exec team will discuss and place accordingly.
So much concern over what amounts to "bubkis". Reality: There are "NoCareer Pathways" at Merck. Branded drugs' heydey is over. It will be all about generics. Pipeline stinks. What we have now can't be sustained....the focus will be on continued layoffs. Don't spend time worrying about the "S designations"...focus instead on "plan B".
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:05 PM
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Wrong!

S1 will be comprised of all reps Senior and lower that are not in the Top 30% of MBO rankings by their former managers. This group will also include any Sr Execs. and Execs. that fall in the bottom 10% of MBO Rankings

S2 will be made up of any Senior Exec and Exec that were in the Top 90% of MBO, and any lower level (Prof 1, 2, Senior) that are in the Top 30% that do not receive the Lead (S3) positions.

S3 positions are far and few between. DCO's can have varying amounts, for example, the Southeast will only have seven - S3's. Anyone in the Top 30% will be evaluated by their new CTL, then the exec team will discuss and place accordingly.
ah. mercks tried but not so true bell curve.
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Old 01-26-2011, 08:08 AM
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Thoughtful process by management..it was a cattle call..everyone was called including folks who are not even spending the time to call on customers! We've got to change our whole management team or change their work ethic before Merck will turn around! Management does not understand trust and value, how can they expect high scores?
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Old 01-26-2011, 01:33 PM
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Thoughtful process by management..it was a cattle call..everyone was called including folks who are not even spending the time to call on customers! We've got to change our whole management team or change their work ethic before Merck will turn around! Management does not understand trust and value, how can they expect high scores?
Good point. Just by company's decision that there exists a need to measure trust and value provides blinding insight about Merck's significant problems. Top companies have no need to measure trust and value. Their culture takes care of it. Merck's culture back in those most admired days enjoyed highest trust and value. Then something went terribly wrong with Merck management and that culture got sacrificed. Pity.
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Old 01-26-2011, 05:57 PM
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Are you saying ALL Seniors that placed in the top 30% received a call to interview for S#3? Is it possible for a Senior to place as S2 w/o being called for S3 position?
SERIOUS ANSWERS PLEASE!!!
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:35 AM
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basically if you did not get a call you are a s-1.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:16 AM
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thanks for ur response. can there be promotions during the year or is it only at year end review.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:20 AM
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IF you have to meet every month or two to discuss culture then something is wrong! Culture should not have to be manipulated it should be ingrained! Merck is now calling everything from laying off folks to cutting salaries cultureand these survey's are a joke! We literally have customers that never have the tools they need and are constantly begging and management does nothing about it..the trust and value survey's are probably a joke anyway! We had boards at Merck to survey the doctors and get ideas and we found out all or most of the board members were from the northeast (they were the 'red' states) and had little in common with customers in the south! Nobody in Boston has anything in common with anyone in Macon, Ga. except M.D. behind their name and even that's suspect! When a rep from N.Y. at the dulera launch said they never use samples I almost fell out, what the hell kind of doc would not use samples with a new unfamiliar drug! Everyone in her territory has insurance and a prescription drug plan while only half of mine do! Big difference, same with socialist California or Arizona! Merck is searching for its identity after Vioxx!
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:00 AM
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IF you have to meet every month or two to discuss culture then something is wrong! Culture should not have to be manipulated it should be ingrained! Merck is now calling everything from laying off folks to cutting salaries cultureand these survey's are a joke! We literally have customers that never have the tools they need and are constantly begging and management does nothing about it..the trust and value survey's are probably a joke anyway! We had boards at Merck to survey the doctors and get ideas and we found out all or most of the board members were from the northeast (they were the 'red' states) and had little in common with customers in the south! Nobody in Boston has anything in common with anyone in Macon, Ga. except M.D. behind their name and even that's suspect! When a rep from N.Y. at the dulera launch said they never use samples I almost fell out, what the hell kind of doc would not use samples with a new unfamiliar drug! Everyone in her territory has insurance and a prescription drug plan while only half of mine do! Big difference, same with socialist California or Arizona! Merck is searching for its identity after Vioxx!
You are 100% correct- One of the best posts on here!
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:55 AM
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Merck will fail with this new ponzi scheme to forget the history of the reps that brought us success and now we'll appoint new folks with no proven track record of the one thing that can save us 'sales'! We have folks that can make trackers, do great powerpoint, make up successes that they've had and coundn't sell icewater to a thirsty arab! Merck has redefined what a salesperson needs to be to such an extreme that they can easily forget what success looked like! Just like Roy Vagelos stupid idea of hiring new college grads instead of searching for tenured, successful reps that would have loved (at that time) to have worked for Merck! What an idiot! If the stockholders knew of the idiotic management moves over the years with regard to the salesforce you could get two shares of Merck for every share of Pfizer! Here we go again! Tenured senior/execs with a great sales trackrecord are the backbone of this company..'when you forget history you are doomed to repeat it'..good morning Mr. Vagelos, why are you screwing the sales (solution) force again!
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:33 PM
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Merck will fail with this new ponzi scheme to forget the history of the reps that brought us success and now we'll appoint new folks with no proven track record of the one thing that can save us 'sales'! We have folks that can make trackers, do great powerpoint, make up successes that they've had and coundn't sell icewater to a thirsty arab! Merck has redefined what a salesperson needs to be to such an extreme that they can easily forget what success looked like! Just like Roy Vagelos stupid idea of hiring new college grads instead of searching for tenured, successful reps that would have loved (at that time) to have worked for Merck! What an idiot! If the stockholders knew of the idiotic management moves over the years with regard to the salesforce you could get two shares of Merck for every share of Pfizer! Here we go again! Tenured senior/execs with a great sales trackrecord are the backbone of this company..'when you forget history you are doomed to repeat it'..good morning Mr. Vagelos, why are you screwing the sales (solution) force again!
Tenured rep here who totally agrees with everything you said. I do believe that Merck is purposefully stepping on tenured reps due to the state of the company/industry. They want the new, "cheap", reps, since they can no longer afford the expensive, tenured reps. Generics are taking over, pipeline isn't there to make up for the significant loss in revenue....they have to continue cutting costs. Would have been far better to have another round of overt layoffs than to have this covert tactic they have put in place...all in the guise of "career pathways". What a bunch of BS!
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Old 01-28-2011, 03:01 PM
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Since they did not cut your salary, I don't see why "tenured" reps are so up in arms with a small drop in bonus target. There are many reps that do a better job than you and make $20k less in salary.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:49 PM
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Like everything at Merck (differentiation, T&V scores, culture surveys), these new positions are 100 % subjective. It will not come down to anything more than whose ass you have kissed, who you have thrown under the bus and if your CTM tells you that you are special. Its another way to piss on the reps and tell them its raining.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:02 PM
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I am amazed you doucebags continue to take this crap from Mother Merck. Annual layoffs, no promotions in the last few years, and each year they change the rules on you. Stop complaining, dust off that resume and float it out there.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:20 PM
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I agree with poster 29; this is a slap in the face and is such a de-motivator. I am not looking forward to the YER where I have to pretend to smile and clap.
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:40 PM
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Since they did not cut your salary, I don't see why "tenured" reps are so up in arms with a small drop in bonus target. There are many reps that do a better job than you and make $20k less in salary.
Those newbies who "do a better job" for 20K less have a long way to go to prove themsleves. They are "fly by nights" in comparison to the tenured whose many years of past accomplishments paid dividends upon dividends for the company. Longevity has always mattered, and always will...whether or not Merck chooses to recognize that.
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:40 AM
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Tenured rep here who totally agrees with everything you said. I do believe that Merck is purposefully stepping on tenured reps due to the state of the company/industry. They want the new, "cheap", reps, since they can no longer afford the expensive, tenured reps. Generics are taking over, pipeline isn't there to make up for the significant loss in revenue....they have to continue cutting costs. Would have been far better to have another round of overt layoffs than to have this covert tactic they have put in place...all in the guise of "career pathways". What a bunch of BS!
Career Pathway? What career pathway?
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Old 01-29-2011, 02:16 PM
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Career Pathway? What career pathway?
Exactly as I said...it's all a "guise". It's really "No Career Pathway", since the intent is to demoralize and make people leave on their own.
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:08 AM
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Please define "newbie" and "tenured". I know many tenurred reps that have existed for a long time and done nothing. I also know many reps with 5 years experience that have won multiple awards. Is this considered fly by night? And yes, they are making far less than that tenured rep.
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:49 PM
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Please define "newbie" and "tenured". I know many tenurred reps that have existed for a long time and done nothing. I also know many reps with 5 years experience that have won multiple awards. Is this considered fly by night? And yes, they are making far less than that tenured rep.
The tenured who truly "do nothing" should be PIP'd. Someone with 5 yrs should make less than someone with 10 yrs if both are in good standing. Awards don't mean much when territories are managed by clusters. A lot of subjectivity involved.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:33 PM
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You don't know many reps with 5 years that have won very many real awards cause they've not been earned in the last 5 years by most! When you find someone that has won multiple awards from '08' back then you'll have salesmen and not those with brown 'rouge' on their lips! Going forward we'll have more of less to deal with! As one of the above posters said 'great with a spreadsheet & powerpoint, bullshit nothingness and little selling! When that's the norm then everyone can lose their job and the company is in the shitter!
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:29 PM
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Please define "newbie" and "tenured". I know many tenurred reps that have existed for a long time and done nothing. I also know many reps with 5 years experience that have won multiple awards. Is this considered fly by night? And yes, they are making far less than that tenured rep.
Newbee is a kid with a BA and little of anything else nut this job. Some say newbee just fresh here. Tenured are those who have had a good ride here and maybe few or no other gigs on the resume. Others have been in other pharma, other industries or were in RNs, RPhs etc but here not long, not newbees, not tenured.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:10 AM
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Are you saying ALL Seniors that placed in the top 30% received a call to interview for S#3? Is it possible for a Senior to place as S2 w/o being called for S3 position?
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I believe it is possible. From the people I have talked to who did get a call about being a s3, it was more of a discussion (in other words, if they want the job, it is very likely theirs...). I think upper management has already chosen who they want as an s3 (VERY few), and they have called them to find out if they are interested, etc. Then, they meet with another manager and it will very likely be confirmed. They are NOT calling the entire top 30%, so many people who are in this bucket will automatically be slated into a s2 position without ever getting a call regarding s3. Next year, you will have to interview formally for any open s3 positions. Anyone in management care to confirm?
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:09 PM
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Anyone in management care to confirm?
Good heavens, NO! It is by design unwritten so that whatever we do cannot be legally challenged as violating or having the appearance of violating a standard.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:49 PM
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I don't care about S3 it sounds like a lot of extra work but not a lot of monetary reward. It was my understanding that all candidates who were in the top 30% were called and had discussions around if they'd be interested IF a position was available. So, if not called, assumption was not top 30% and therefore, if a senior and no call - you are basically s-1. I know my counterpart was called...
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:28 PM
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I don't care about S3 it sounds like a lot of extra work but not a lot of monetary reward. It was my understanding that all candidates who were in the top 30% were called and had discussions around if they'd be interested IF a position was available. So, if not called, assumption was not top 30% and therefore, if a senior and no call - you are basically s-1. I know my counterpart was called...
Sr Exec for s2 or s3
Sr rep for s2
Exec for s2
Others s1
My interpretation
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:55 PM
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Sr Exec for s2 or s3
Sr rep for s2
Exec for s2
Others s1
My interpretation
This is the general rule although there will always be exceptions to it somewhere. I was called about s3 and told them no thanks, I can live without that.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:05 PM
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WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!! No call = S1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:23 PM
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Sounds like no takers on the S3. Anybody out there take an offer?
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:47 AM
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WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!! No call = S1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why wouldn't "no call" = S2?
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:46 AM
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[quote=Anonymous;3837616]Why wouldn't "no call" =

Everything will be determined by your competency scores so here's how it works:
1. People who differentiated in the top 30% are eligible for S3 and at minimum will be an S2.
2. If you are currently an executive rep or a senior executive rep and you did NOT differentiate in the bottom 10%, you will be an S2.
3. All current senior reps and customer reps who did not differentiate in the top 30% will be S1.
4. Anyone who differentiated in the bottom 10% - regardless of your current title - will be an S1.

One poster said that there are exceptions to everything and they are correct but that's usually because HR wants to make sure someones demotion is justified and if it seems fishy, they will probably keep them at their current position.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:19 AM
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Why wouldn't "no call" =

Everything will be determined by your competency scores so here's how it works:
1. People who differentiated in the top 30% are eligible for S3 and at minimum will be an S2.
2. If you are currently an executive rep or a senior executive rep and you did NOT differentiate in the bottom 10%, you will be an S2.
3. All current senior reps and customer reps who did not differentiate in the top 30% will be S1.
4. Anyone who differentiated in the bottom 10% - regardless of your current title - will be an S1.

One poster said that there are exceptions to everything and they are correct but that's usually because HR wants to make sure someones demotion is justified and if it seems fishy, they will probably keep them at their current position.
Demoralizing to be S1 from Sr or Exec with years in, no incentive to stay. Watch an see the cream will float away.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:01 AM
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Why wouldn't "no call" =

Everything will be determined by your competency scores so here's how it works:
1. People who differentiated in the top 30% are eligible for S3 and at minimum will be an S2.
2. If you are currently an executive rep or a senior executive rep and you did NOT differentiate in the bottom 10%, you will be an S2.
3. All current senior reps and customer reps who did not differentiate in the top 30% will be S1.
4. Anyone who differentiated in the bottom 10% - regardless of your current title - will be an S1.

One poster said that there are exceptions to everything and they are correct but that's usually because HR wants to make sure someones demotion is justified and if it seems fishy, they will probably keep them at their current position.


Minus managed care issues I hope!
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:25 PM
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Demoralizing to be S1 from Sr or Exec with years in, no incentive to stay. Watch an see the cream will float away.
Not so fast...Exec rep here...they can make me an S zero for all I care...I'm not going anywhere until I get my severance. It's all a game, and I can play it.
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