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Old 05-25-2011, 10:05 PM
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Default How to report a bad manager to HR

Does anyone have suggestions for reporting a manager that bullies all of their employees and threatens their jobs for no good reason to HR? Fear of retaliation is the biggest problem here.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:34 PM
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Do you have a spine? What kind of a sniveling coward are you? Speak directly to your DM like an adult. This is what's wrong with reps. COWARDS! Stand up for yourself!
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:38 PM
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Report it to HR? Seriously? You'll be put on a fast track towards a PIP.
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Old 05-25-2011, 11:08 PM
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Best way is to get support from team, good luck on that, everyone is out for themselves so if you are getting harrassed, etc teammates look at that as a good thing, with you gone, more security....Try to get something on the DM, I mean in a legal way, document things, speak up, bring it to the table, however, last guy I know who did this was Pipped out....
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:00 AM
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Document, Document, Document. Every encounter, argument, phone or coaching conversation . If your state allows taping of conversations go for it. If not DON'T DO IT. Talk with your colleagues. Are they experiencing the same or are you being singled out? How are your numbers? re you hitting your call avg and other metrix? If not, you don't have much to stand on. Make sure you print out every call report from polaris, every snapshot report. Most Importantly, get every field contact signed by both you and the manager. Don't accept "I will e-mail it to you and then you can sign it". Have them complete it and you both sign it before the end of your field travel day. Make sure they e-mail it to you before you leave the field. They have air cards. If the DM refuses to do that, document it in a journal. "on x date, I rode with my DM and he/she failed to give me a signed FT report at the end of the day". The more documentation you have the better. Remember, HR is not your friend and your word against your DM will not fly.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:14 AM
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I got rid of my bad manager by leaving Abbott. It was the ultimate revenge because they aren't hiring a replacement. Try workrant.com to relieve your stress. It helped me a great deal to know so many other people are in bad manager situations. You aren't alone.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:15 AM
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Does anyone have suggestions for reporting a manager that bullies all of their employees and threatens their jobs for no good reason to HR? Fear of retaliation is the biggest problem here.
Warning: HR is not your friend. Never go there. If you do a report will be immediately generated back to the manager and regional manager. HR is there to protect management and the company from lawsuits not you. They may seem like it but they are not on your side ever.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:11 AM
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Don't do a thing - you have to just live with it. Once you open that can of worms - Abbott HR will investigate you both and believe me - if Abbott wants to find something on you - they will. More than likely you will be the one that gets fired. It's like when one rep tries to rat out another rep - HR looks into the both of them. I really can't stand reps that don't mind their business - like the back stabber in CT with Renal (we all know who I am talking about). Some people just don't have anything else better to do than make other peoples lives miserable. You just have to smile and take it and wait until they decide to move on - or you do.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:04 PM
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That's right, avoid HR. I had a friend who went to HR and got laid off shortly afterwards.

Many years back when I was in the lab, there was another female employee who decided to be a bitch to me. What she would do is come up to me when I was working alone in the lab and start yelling at me. After the third time of sitting there taking it from her, I went to my immediate supervisor and complained. It was her word against mine because no one saw her attacking me. Eventually it all worked its way up to the department manager. My immediate supervisor wouldn't support me because he said he didn't hear what was said, since she was doing this when we were not in front of other people. In the end, I got a lower rating on my performance review because of that bitch. So I wish I had never said anything to my supervisor and just told the bitch to fuck off.

Try to get your manager to say this crap to you in front of a few other people, that's the best approach. If you can get some others to hear it too, you might have a chance in HR or taking it to upper managment.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:21 PM
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Don't worry about your DM. He'll probably be gone after this conference call on AIM HIGH.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:42 PM
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How long have you been around OP? Have you not seen and heard other instances of 'Bad Managers' and how they are reprimanded? The sad part is that the company loses more due to the 'criminal minds' and poor management skills of those people. They lose respect, motivation, productivity and great individuals, all due to their incestuous management. So, if you think HR will help you, please give them a call. No one at this company has the balls to stand up for the employee. Why ruin a good gig and bring attention to a franchise run by inept and unqualified managers that don't know the definition of 'management or motivation or respect and loyalty.' Until this company admits that things need to change in the way management scares and threatens individuals to death, they will continue to be portrayed as lacking maturity and much, much more. It's Gestapo tactics around here.
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:00 PM
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Is this DM in the SE?
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:17 PM
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The BEST way to get rid of a bad manager is to file a complaint they are not spending FULL days with you in the field and are falsyfying their field travel documents. I know of 2 managers who were asked to resign or be fired by the company. The one never worked with reps and the other worked half days or had lunch meetings with the reps and said they were field days. Managers have to fill out a monthly "proposed" schedule and then their "actual" schedule as the month progressed. If they submit a field report that is falsified this is as bad as a falsified sample documentation!!

Good luck!!
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Old 05-26-2011, 04:24 PM
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DSS or CSS? Depends who your HR person is whether they will help you or not.
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Old 05-26-2011, 04:38 PM
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Don't bother with HR. They almost always side with management and make you look like the bad guy.
My advice, besides documenting everything, including any and all conversations you have with your manager, talk with a Labor Relations attorney. They will usually give you sound advice, and if you retain a lawyer, and things start becoming unbearable for you, have your attorney communicate with HR/your manager. That will really shake them up, especially if your case is rock solid for abuse, discrimination, harrassment etc.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:44 PM
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I called HR on my manager once for being abusive and blackmailing reps, among many other things. 2 others on my team reported him too. It did not go well. I would never call HR again. Manager got full report of who called and what was said, which shocked me. The other 2 reps quit because it was so awful afterward. The manager and I eventually learned to work together. For me, it was a decision to put up with it or get a new job. Eventually, I got a new manager. Abbott sadly will not back you up here. Accept it or find a new job.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
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If you have 7 or 8 reps that all report the same harassment, what do you think the odds are that the manager will get fired or demoted?
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:03 PM
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I can tell you all from experience hr people dont care. Complaints are made and never validated. Its very pathetic ! Rep rights? There are none. Its put up or shut up. We all are dispensable. Its disgusting that Abbott continues to employee such horrible managers that feel that by threatening they get sales results. Does anyone look at these peoples history? Competencies are being used now very subjectivley to screw over individuals. I could rant and rave but just in case i am not going to write anymore becuase they are watching.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:22 PM
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Does anyone have suggestions for reporting a manager that bullies all of their employees and threatens their jobs for no good reason to HR? Fear of retaliation is the biggest problem here.
My suggestion would be to follow the Corporate procedures.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:36 PM
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My suggestion would be to follow the Corporate procedures.
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Old 05-29-2011, 02:39 PM
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simply leave because you are not valued there enough by the manager so you are going nowhere fast! Take control of your career and life, leave!
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:56 PM
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simply leave because you are not valued there enough by the manager so you are going nowhere fast! Take control of your career and life, leave!
In short, your a loser.....
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Old 05-30-2011, 12:50 PM
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Document, Document, Document. Every encounter, argument, phone or coaching conversation . If your state allows taping of conversations go for it. If not DON'T DO IT. Talk with your colleagues. Are they experiencing the same or are you being singled out? How are your numbers? re you hitting your call avg and other metrix? If not, you don't have much to stand on. Make sure you print out every call report from polaris, every snapshot report. Most Importantly, get every field contact signed by both you and the manager. Don't accept "I will e-mail it to you and then you can sign it". Have them complete it and you both sign it before the end of your field travel day. Make sure they e-mail it to you before you leave the field. They have air cards. If the DM refuses to do that, document it in a journal. "on x date, I rode with my DM and he/she failed to give me a signed FT report at the end of the day". The more documentation you have the better. Remember, HR is not your friend and your word against your DM will not fly.
Our DM does not discuss the FT report with us. The DM goes home and puts in comments. Nothing is discussed in person. The FT report email is to review & sign 'ASAP'. The comments are negative or not facts. We want this done in person like most managers do.
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Old 05-31-2011, 07:47 AM
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Most RMs would flip out if they found out their DMs were not giving proper coaching in the field. This can't be done if a field travel report is not completed immediately following the field ride. How can the DM remember the details of what happened during the day. You could also refuse to sign the report based on the discrepancies in the report. Some managers are tougher graders than others. Some RMs want to see a percentage of PA's on reports. What ever the case, the report needs to be filled out prior to the end of the day. What makes DMs nuts is the report itself. It is so long and so involved that it takes an hour to fill it out. Most DMs want to get home at the end of the day, just like you.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:30 AM
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I was told by a past HR manager that their job is to convince employees they don't have a right to sue, even if they actually do have grounds. I've also been told by HR that as soon as you finish speaking with them, they are on the phone to the manager telling them everything you've said. I've experienced this first hand. - good luck to you. Abbott will always side with the person in the higher position. IMO regardless of Abbott's "position" on retaliation, retaliation is rampant across Abbott.
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:31 AM
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Does anyone have suggestions for reporting a manager that bullies all of their employees and threatens their jobs for no good reason to HR? Fear of retaliation is the biggest problem here.
Your first mistake in your logic is that your conclusion that your DM is doing something wrong. HR's first take away from your report would that your manager is doing what's expected of an Abbott DM. If your whole district reported your DM, your DM will be hailed as a role model for other DM's.

Put another way, your DM had been trained to do what you describe.
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:34 AM
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If you have 7 or 8 reps that all report the same harassment, what do you think the odds are that the manager will get fired or demoted?
For what you describe, if you are the OP, odds are there will be 7 - 8 reps on PIP's over the next 12 - 18 months, and a lot of new faces in your district.
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Old 06-04-2011, 02:08 PM
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I was told by a past HR manager that their job is to convince employees they don't have a right to sue, even if they actually do have grounds. I've also been told by HR that as soon as you finish speaking with them, they are on the phone to the manager telling them everything you've said. I've experienced this first hand. - good luck to you. Abbott will always side with the person in the higher position. IMO regardless of Abbott's "position" on retaliation, retaliation is rampant across Abbott.
Partially correct.

HR will never mention the word "lawyer" or comment on your rights relative to any legal action.

But the second part is absolutely correct in most instances: the first call HR makes after you get off the phone is to your DM. The only exceptions are if your complaint is for something illegal, or something that could actually put Abbott at risk of a lawsuit. These will be discussed internally first, then they call your DM.

Bottom line: HR's job is to protect Abbott, NOT you or your DM. You are both expendable. The problem for you is, that to protect Abbott, they need to protect your DM case.

That means HR will work with your DM and if needed the RM to "fix" the situation. What needs to be fixed is you.

Step one is to document and refute what ever your complaint is. Step two is to investigate you, and document each and every infraction of a company policy, procedure, or process. They will find something. Your manager's assignment is to spend time going through prior emails and notes, with the objective of documenting "coaching" and follow up's, as well as any documents that paint your manager as a great coach and DM, and you as incompetent, rash, poor judgement, immature, etc. Step three is an internal review with your DM and HR to decide what to do ... with you.

Step 4 is to present that to you. Your manager will be positioned as a the victim, basically a nice, patient person trying to help you, despite your flaws and mistakes. He may even pretend to be hurt by your unfounded accusations. You will be positioned as ungrateful, and actually lucky to not have been PIP'd or fired for your infractions. You DM will have been coached to be gracious and fatherly, while HR will be the "bad cop". For real theatrics, HR may even suggest you should be PIP'd or fired over something they found, and your loving DM will actually defend you.

All this is nicely documented.

In reality your DM is fit to be tied at your insubordination, and his RM is coaching him to get rid of the bad apple ... you. To you face all will be nice, your forgiven, etc. Behind the scenes they are watching and documenting. In fact they may be setting you up. in 3 - 6 months you'll be on a PIP, then out.

If your complaint is a serious matter, ie sexual harassment, discrimination, etc, added to the above will be an investigation into you manager. Again, the goal is to protect Abbott, so the angle is prove you not only wrong, but malicious, a malcontent, etc. If an internal review finds your manager to be guilty via a smoking gun, and there is risk to Abbott, he will be documented and fired, and you will get a free pass for 6 months to a year before they put you on a PIP. If the preponderance of evidence suggests guilt, but Abbott has deniability, he will be praised, given awards, then in 6 months quietly re-assigned. Depending on what he has done and how many times this has surfaced, in about a year or so he will be let go as part of some downsizing. You will be PIP's and fired.

So in the end you lose.
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Old 06-04-2011, 04:09 PM
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Ok, so let me tell you something that works sometimes. One thing I learned in the 27 years I was there is a lot males do not have a clue how arrogant, insensitive and stupid they sound when they open their mouths. One thing you can try is to be insensitive back to the asshole manager. It will totally throw the asshole for a loop because the asshole isn't expecting it. It's best to do this when you're in a big meeting so the asshole will be completely embarassed by your gall. Now the secret here is you have to be prepared for the perfect opportunity and you have to think like an asshole so when the time comes you can play the part of an asshole. Remember your manager has been practicing his role as an asshole for a long time so the first time you play the asshole too it's gonna feel weird.
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Old 06-04-2011, 05:29 PM
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Ok, so let me tell you something that works sometimes. One thing I learned in the 27 years I was there is a lot males do not have a clue how arrogant, insensitive and stupid they sound when they open their mouths. One thing you can try is to be insensitive back to the asshole manager. It will totally throw the asshole for a loop because the asshole isn't expecting it. It's best to do this when you're in a big meeting so the asshole will be completely embarassed by your gall. Now the secret here is you have to be prepared for the perfect opportunity and you have to think like an asshole so when the time comes you can play the part of an asshole. Remember your manager has been practicing his role as an asshole for a long time so the first time you play the asshole too it's gonna feel weird.
I would not recommend this approach to having an insensitive response to your A-hole manager. It will be treated as insubordination, and will eventually lead to a PIP. You have now made yourself a target. The PIP may not be immediate, but most likely will occur within 3-6 months.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:03 AM
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Next time you are driving the A-hole somewhere, drive a few mph under the speed limit. I discovered this trick inflicts a lot of pain on my A-hole manager due to his type A personality. Another thing that works well is to yawn frequently during his tirade.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:27 AM
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Next time you are driving the A-hole somewhere, drive a few mph under the speed limit. I discovered this trick inflicts a lot of pain on my A-hole manager due to his type A personality. Another thing that works well is to yawn frequently during his tirade.
Both great ideas, if your plan is to figure out a way to piss your boss off. I am not sure why that is the goal, unless you are looking forward to a short career before moving on. Not a lot of upside when your DM ranks you DFL in the district stack rankings that she sends every 6 months to the RM. I would think you would want to be at the top of the list, LIKE ME!! And how do I know? Because our DM shares it with the top two in the district. Makes us a little more competitive she thinks. I think she is right.
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:14 PM
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What is the DFL sent to the RM every 6 months?
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Old 06-06-2011, 06:43 PM
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Ok, we've discussed some basic strategies for dealing with you A-hole manager: insesitivity, playing the A-hole, going below the speed limit, and the yawn. Now let's consider some more advanced methods. This method is called "dropping a hint". This one definitely for the guy or gal who refuses to kiss ass. Ok, so what you do is download the ringtone for "take this job and shove it". Then turn up the volume on your phone as high as it will go. Ask your partner to call you several times when you are in the prescence of the A-hole manager.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:42 PM
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give the bastard everything he asks for - and use that little known function on email which tells you in the email was ever opened.

I had an asshole who wanted tracker this and report back that. For about two months, I was good on that. Then I noticed, no feedback at all. Ever. Sent the same report in 5 weeks in a row - no response. Used my little function and kept all of the "message received, deleted, unopened, responses." When I was given my review - he went on a tirade, until I showed him my "file". My my, we were a bit white! Its amazing how you can get a PA changed into an AE.

again - give him/her what they want - ask what the BUSINESS reason is behind it - follow up w them on why it matters. Sometimes - you have to give a bastard what they need - manage them! Works every time. They pick on the weak. Do not be weak.

also, just do your job and see what happens. good things usually happen.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:58 AM
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No matter what just know that if you go to HR you will be fired -- your Dm may be fired as well but you will be fired --- as a DM I know this to be true. Just do what he wants you to do and keep a low profile.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:52 AM
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In this environ there is absolutely no reason to put up with a crazy, ego driven DM.
There is a huge shitstorm brewing called major layoffs waiting in the wings. What your DM, RM etc think of you has no impact on whether you get the ax or not. Totally random selection process done by third party to avoid lawsuits.

A DM who bullies their people needs to be called out and not tolerated. If enough people have the balls to speak up they will be forced to change.
HR is not the avenue. Just go up the mgmt chain.

C'mon wake the hell up people. Do you think this is a growth industry or growth company that even remotely justifies kissing someones ass? They are merely milking these dying lipid drugs for a short while more. Do you think there are maybe a few too many reps out there? lol. Generics already eating fibrate biz. More to come next year.
Major negative press out and more to come on Niaspan as well as fibrates.
Not exactly a career enriching place to be, ya think?
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:59 AM
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give the bastard everything he asks for - and use that little known function on email which tells you in the email was ever opened.

I had an asshole who wanted tracker this and report back that. For about two months, I was good on that. Then I noticed, no feedback at all. Ever. Sent the same report in 5 weeks in a row - no response. Used my little function and kept all of the "message received, deleted, unopened, responses." When I was given my review - he went on a tirade, until I showed him my "file". My my, we were a bit white! Its amazing how you can get a PA changed into an AE.

again - give him/her what they want - ask what the BUSINESS reason is behind it - follow up w them on why it matters. Sometimes - you have to give a bastard what they need - manage them! Works every time. They pick on the weak. Do not be weak.

also, just do your job and see what happens. good things usually happen.


Hmmmmm..... Your DM sounds like he could be Ken Mangano
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Old 06-08-2011, 06:52 PM
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Hmmmmm..... Your DM sounds like he could be Ken Mangano
No a DM in the northwest primary care.
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:35 PM
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U really need to fear HR if u file complaint. Burden of proof is on u. Best way is on technicality such as OEC violation like expense at a big mtg that is not allowed but expensed as other that is approved, sexual harassment or discriminatiuon. Best way is to trick DM into documenting via text or email. Text is best because they might get lax in communication when not Abbott email. Trust me on this one. I had attorney working on my behalf to get my DM gone. It does make a diffetence what color skin. Sad but true. GOOD LUCK but be very strategic n careful. Tell no one who could turn on u and rat u out!
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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Report it to HR? Seriously? You'll be put on a fast track towards a PIP.
Former Abbott rep here. I reported my manager to HR and was assured that nobody would find out and that they would address the matter...two weeks later I received a "performance gap letter" and two months later; PIP. Don't do it!!!!!! HR is their to protect the COMPANY, they don't give a shit about you! Document everything, and then go see a lawyer. DO NOT GO TO HR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:10 PM
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give the bastard everything he asks for - and use that little known function on email which tells you in the email was ever opened.

I had an asshole who wanted tracker this and report back that. For about two months, I was good on that. Then I noticed, no feedback at all. Ever. Sent the same report in 5 weeks in a row - no response. Used my little function and kept all of the "message received, deleted, unopened, responses." When I was given my review - he went on a tirade, until I showed him my "file". My my, we were a bit white! Its amazing how you can get a PA changed into an AE.

again - give him/her what they want - ask what the BUSINESS reason is behind it - follow up w them on why it matters. Sometimes - you have to give a bastard what they need - manage them! Works every time. They pick on the weak. Do not be weak.

also, just do your job and see what happens. good things usually happen.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's people like you that should be in a leadership role, you know it...I know it. The company wastes talent like this everyday. You are right about picking on the weak, if you don't push back right out of the gate your career in this industry will be miserable.
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:14 PM
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So very true about being bullies. They couldn't hack managing a territory so they tried the managing people. Never works this way. System is very difficult to change. Get rid of your manager by changing positions, divisions, company or industry. Take what u learn from the situation and become a better person and know u will never treat others the way u were treated.
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Old 06-10-2011, 09:06 PM
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Report on your manger? The fastest way to lose your job guaranteed. And other postings are right, HR is not your friend. Get another job.
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Old 06-10-2011, 09:53 PM
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So very true about being bullies. They couldn't hack managing a territory so they tried the managing people. Never works this way. System is very difficult to change. Get rid of your manager by changing positions, divisions, company or industry. Take what u learn from the situation and become a better person and know u will never treat others the way u were treated.
You know, this is just BS. Some people get restless and want to do more. Others are ambitious and want to have more responsibility. Others want more money to live on. There are lots of reasons, but few, very few go into management because they "couldn't hack managing a territory". Some just get bored with the routine. I think I was one of those. After 15 years, I left the territory and finally accepted a promotional position into AP. Best decision, maybe, I ever made. It gives you an entirely different view of what is going on and why. It's a view that is almost impossible to explain, but it provides an understanding why things happen. Who would hire someone into a training or manager position because they were unable to perform and deliver results in their last position?
Put your drink down and please start to think more clearly.
So maybe until you have the opportunity to take the next step, you might consider that there are other viewpoints from other positions, that are different from yours out in the field. Points that have more background, more experience, more information than you have in your current position.
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:20 PM
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Well goodie for you. Good chance you will be amongst the dead wood that gets swept up in AP in the next layoff. I am sure you think that you are irreplacable but you will not be missed for one second. What a condescending, clueless pos you are.
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Old 06-11-2011, 03:37 AM
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HR behaves like prosecutors whenever you file a complaint and not like the employee defender they should be.

STEPS:
1. DO NOT FILE A COMPLAINT UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR CASE--- YOU MUST HAVE SOLID, DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of your complaint-email, fellow co-worker, etc or they will slam you into a corner and beat you into submission and make you out to be the bad person.
2. DOCUMENT ALL CALLS-times, person spoke to, etc. They like to "drag" things out for a long time in hopes you will get tired of waiting and circular discussions.
3. ASK THEM WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT A RESOLUTION OR CASE UPDATE_MAKE THEM GIVE YOU A DATE!!! If they don't call-call HR and state that you have not been updated on your case status as stated in prior call.
4. BE CONSISTENT IN YOUR STATEMENTS-someone may ask for for the tenth time to explain the situation/problem and try to pry for inconsistencies. They have prior case notes. If you must give a statement-state your original complaint VERBATIM.
5. IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE FROM HR REP, REQUEST THAT YOUR CASE BE ESCALATED. REMEMBER-you have rights, you have valid complaints, and HR has no right to make you feel terrible about making a complaint. If they do, get a lawyer.



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Old 06-11-2011, 09:04 AM
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HR behaves like prosecutors whenever you file a complaint and not like the employee defender they should be.

STEPS:
1. DO NOT FILE A COMPLAINT UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR CASE--- YOU MUST HAVE SOLID, DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of your complaint-email, fellow co-worker, etc or they will slam you into a corner and beat you into submission and make you out to be the bad person.
2. DOCUMENT ALL CALLS-times, person spoke to, etc. They like to "drag" things out for a long time in hopes you will get tired of waiting and circular discussions.
3. ASK THEM WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT A RESOLUTION OR CASE UPDATE_MAKE THEM GIVE YOU A DATE!!! If they don't call-call HR and state that you have not been updated on your case status as stated in prior call.
4. BE CONSISTENT IN YOUR STATEMENTS-someone may ask for for the tenth time to explain the situation/problem and try to pry for inconsistencies. They have prior case notes. If you must give a statement-state your original complaint VERBATIM.
5. IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE FROM HR REP, REQUEST THAT YOUR CASE BE ESCALATED. REMEMBER-you have rights, you have valid complaints, and HR has no right to make you feel terrible about making a complaint. If they do, get a lawyer.



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You need need to consult with an attorney first and have all of your documentation in an outline format. Print out emails, notes, field coaching reports, conversations, and events so the attorney can review and decide if you have a case. 9 times out of 10 HR will side with the manager they are not their to protect you.

Your team will not side with you because they want to keep their jobs. Play the game, do everything he/she asks, document with emails keep copies in a file, document conversations you feel uncomfortable with and keep your eyes open for another job. Do not discuss with anyone on your team because someone will want to get on his/her good side and throw you under the bus. I have been there and most of the time you will not win. Even though he/she may be horrible they won't admit that he has done anything wrong unless it is violates, age, race, sex etc. Contact the EEOC, they will provide you with a free consult. When a manager is bad it does not matter unless his manager realizes he is horrible. If your number are decent and you are at the top use them to look for another job or transfer to another division or position within the company.

Use reverse tactics, volunteer to take on additional assignments, brown nose him to death, act as if you are his best friend and he/she will might start treating you differently. 99% of the time they won't but try a few different approaches to turn it around and use it to get away from him. It was so bad for me that every week when my numbers came in and I was #1 or #2 in the district he would come after me even worse. He told me horrible things to make me leave. I walked away from a lot of money so don't let them win. Start looking at your company site for another position.
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:20 AM
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Does anyone have suggestions for reporting a manager that bullies all of their employees and threatens their jobs for no good reason to HR? Fear of retaliation is the biggest problem here.
In the US they have not passed laws that protect against bullying and mobbing in the work place. Sad but true. Call the EEOC and set up an appointment with them to get advice on what you should do to protect yourself. Also consult a labor lawyer and they can advise you as well. Do everything he asks you to do and volunteer to do extra work. If you change tactics it might throw him off.

In the current economic climate it appears that many managers are using this approach because they can. This is their true personality which was hidden during good times. Also there are no laws that protect the employees and they know this to be the case. When people start writing letters to their state senators and flood their mail boxes complaining about Corporate America abuse then maybe laws will be passed. We are sitting back taking it so nothing is being done. Start writing and maybe we will see change. Send a few million letters through the mail to the White House and maybe they will get the message too.
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Old 06-11-2011, 03:21 PM
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Your manager will not be fired regardless of how much documentation you have. I had a manager who signed a blank QA document ahead of time because he was going on vacation. Upper management got wind of it. He was not fired. Would I get fired for falsifying data? Yep, you bet. Don't expect that he'll be fired because you have documentation.

Also, I had a manager who would sit at his desk shopping on Ebay for an hour or two every week. Isn't that a violation of company policy regarding use of a computer? If I reported it, would he get fired? I bet not. But you can sure bet he would use that against me if I did the same thing.
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