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Old 03-08-2012, 02:46 PM
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Arms WTF are you guys doing???

Opana ER and Voltaren Gel have been in short supply if not unavailable since December. You mean to tell me your POS company couldn't capitalize on this developement and start to pick up some scripts for Pennsaid and Exalgo? How hard could that be? Two of the main competitors in your classes are unavailable and your scripts show no significant increases? You people must be the most inept, incompetent, rediculously unqualified sales forces in all of pharma. Everybody knows that pharma sales isn't really sales, but c'mon man!!! Your company is a complete joke. Really!! Seriously!! WTF are you people doing? Opana ER is doing better than Exalgo and it's un-fricken-available. Pennsaid hasn't gained any scripts either and Voltaren Gel is not available. Why do you all still have jobs?? You have been given a huge gift and you can't even take advantage of it. You should all be ashamed of your incompetence. Keep up the outstanding effort and you will soon all be looking for new jobs. Losers!!!
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:08 PM
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Opana ER and Voltaren Gel have been in short supply if not unavailable since December. You mean to tell me your POS company couldn't capitalize on this developement and start to pick up some scripts for Pennsaid and Exalgo? How hard could that be? Two of the main competitors in your classes are unavailable and your scripts show no significant increases? You people must be the most inept, incompetent, rediculously unqualified sales forces in all of pharma. Everybody knows that pharma sales isn't really sales, but c'mon man!!! Your company is a complete joke. Really!! Seriously!! WTF are you people doing? Opana ER is doing better than Exalgo and it's un-fricken-available. Pennsaid hasn't gained any scripts either and Voltaren Gel is not available. Why do you all still have jobs?? You have been given a huge gift and you can't even take advantage of it. You should all be ashamed of your incompetence. Keep up the outstanding effort and you will soon all be looking for new jobs. Losers!!!
lol....SO RICH, I CANT DECIDE WHERE TO START.
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Old 03-11-2012, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

Let me start by saying that I saw an increase in TRX long before your manufacturing issue. Your company must be hiding the fact that pennsaid distribution to Wholesalers is off the charts. And, while we are bringing up the issue of being "inept and unqualified" you should learn to utilize spellcheck....because it is RIDICULOUS, not Rediculous. I wonder if the CSR's your company so graciously employees know how to spell. You lack the ability to be properly offensive, how on earth could you be capable of effective marketing, with or without a product on pharmacy shelves?


You, are a moron.
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Old 03-11-2012, 07:44 PM
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Arms Re: WTF are you guys doing???

Pennsaid is flat or declinining across the nation. You are a moron if you think you as a sales rep gets paid on wholesale purchases. Do you even get a bonus? VG is still kicking your a$$ and it's not available. If you as a sales organization cannot outsell a product that is only available on a limited basis, you are sad. Why should they even continue to have a sales force? They would be better off not having any sales reps and using the savings to lower the cost of your POS drug. I'm the moron? I have been averaging 160 scripts of VG each and every week compared to the 3-9 pennsaid. Even when VG became unavailable, pennsaid dropped in TRx accross the country. The DBag pennsaid rep in my territory has a sales message of "hey doc, VG is no longer available". The docs are actually writing more oral ibuprofen instead of writing more pennsaid. You know it's true. You all should be very worried about your jobs. You cannot increase scripts when a huge player in that class is out of stock. And I noticed you did not mention that joke exalgo. The reason is exalgo sucks even worse than pennsaid. Opana ER is dominating you. And oh by the way....IT'S FRICKEN UNAVAILABLE TOO!!! You guys suck. Doctors know you are a joke and that your products suck too. Oh BTW, we just got our bonus checks and the regional average payout was just under $10,000 for the fourth quarter. How'd you do? Exactly. Now, who's the moron?
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:35 PM
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Arms Re: WTF are you guys doing???

Covidien Pharma will be out of business in the next 6 months, you guys have two pathetic me too products and even worse management!
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:38 PM
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Jester Re: WTF are you guys doing???

You guys couldnt sell even if your product cured pain, tasted like chocolate and gave it away for free.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:56 AM
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You feel the need to come to our board and have a one sided middle school style throw down? Assuming that your covidien rep is the norm. I have been kicking Endo ass long before the shortage, and my IC payout is averages around 10 a qtr. Mine... Not an average of a region. I won't even get in to your paltry salary. So, I recant my former comment. You are not a moron. You are just a douche.
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:59 PM
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You feel the need to come to our board and have a one sided middle school style throw down? Assuming that your covidien rep is the norm. I have been kicking Endo ass long before the shortage, and my IC payout is averages around 10 a qtr. Mine... Not an average of a region. I won't even get in to your paltry salary. So, I recant my former comment. You are not a moron. You are just a douche.
YAWN!
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

former covidien rep here and LOL. Please keep these posts coming. It is always nice to see the horrible dysfunctional shit sandwich known as Covidien going down in flames.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

From the inside, sales couldn't be better.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:14 PM
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What planet are you on, from the inside sales are good???? Who are you kidding, reps and dms are quitting/being laid off in droves and the managed care coverage sucks, let alone, NO MARKETING and slow slow slow NRX growth. This is a micro managed pathetic division of Covidien!
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

Obviously you are the competition as the TRx's aren't going down. Not sure what you are smoking.
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:15 PM
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Opana ER and Voltaren Gel have been in short supply if not unavailable since December. You mean to tell me your POS company couldn't capitalize on this developement and start to pick up some scripts for Pennsaid and Exalgo? How hard could that be? Two of the main competitors in your classes are unavailable and your scripts show no significant increases? You people must be the most inept, incompetent, rediculously unqualified sales forces in all of pharma. Everybody knows that pharma sales isn't really sales, but c'mon man!!! Your company is a complete joke. Really!! Seriously!! WTF are you people doing? Opana ER is doing better than Exalgo and it's un-fricken-available. Pennsaid hasn't gained any scripts either and Voltaren Gel is not available. Why do you all still have jobs?? You have been given a huge gift and you can't even take advantage of it. You should all be ashamed of your incompetence. Keep up the outstanding effort and you will soon all be looking for new jobs. Losers!!!
Losers with a capital L..............
you guys are going to get a major fine for all of your illegal activity against Endo.
Wickline is a piece of CRAP...............
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:10 PM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

Nice to see this company excelling as usual. Everyone I talked to that is still at the company is beyond miserable. It must be nice waking up every day and wondering if your going on a pip or getting tossed the fuck out lol.
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:52 PM
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Arms Re: WTF are you guys doing???

Covidien Pharma manages by deception and intimidation. Never felt so dirty working for them. Since leaving I can only say, thank God my sentence is over!

For those left, yes, have heard they are MISERABLE!

For those still there, KEEP WRITTEN RECORDS...you never know when you'll need them for reference....just saying...
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:03 PM
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Smile Re: WTF are you guys doing???

The happier and more successful reps rarely, if ever, come to Cafe' Pharma. I hope you filter everything you read. I do on my rare drop ins to this site. Oddly enough, I always regret having read 90% of the posts but it is like a train wreck and hard to look away.

We are selling a truckload of Pennsaid and Exalgo. VGel is coming back now. EX, when tried and dosed correctly has helped a lot of patients.

IF you are our competition, then you should be able to see our numbers. Maybe at the territory level, your local rep may not be competitive.

Per the sales, Covidien is about a $12-13 billion dollar company. Two smaller branded products will not impact its sales much. BTW, our stock is up about $10 a share in the last 10-12 months.

We have unhappy folks who don't have the courage or backbone to make better choices within their heads or outside of their heads. Just like every company, family, school etc. We also have the stars and super stars, just like every company, family, school etc. That cream of the crop seldom desires or needs to go to a site like this.

Since we launched, this will be my 3rd or 4th quarter to make not only way above our target bonus but also to get the portfolio bonus. (extra $ for exceeding target in all products). not boasting, just a good producer who likes the products.

You find what you seek. I like what I have found here. It is not perfect and never will be but it is working to get better and I like it.

And remember, filter, filter, filter...even this post. Go with Peace.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:15 AM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

And as with every company and family, there is always this little goody two shoes who thinks everything is fine and goes along with their head in the sand.
There isn't any filtering needed. Just ask ANY rep at Covidien PHARMA how many original reps are left in their district from March 2010 to now???????? Probably about 20-30% left.
HIGH TURNOVER, wonder why?
As for the stock being up, pharma has little to do with that. Read the stock news, 98% of the stock comments/reasons for growth is on the MEDICAL DEVICE SIDE!!!
Wake up.
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Old 05-27-2012, 04:51 PM
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The happier and more successful reps rarely, if ever, come to Cafe' Pharma. I hope you filter everything you read. I do on my rare drop ins to this site. Oddly enough, I always regret having read 90% of the posts but it is like a train wreck and hard to look away.

We are selling a truckload of Pennsaid and Exalgo. VGel is coming back now. EX, when tried and dosed correctly has helped a lot of patients.

IF you are our competition, then you should be able to see our numbers. Maybe at the territory level, your local rep may not be competitive.

Per the sales, Covidien is about a $12-13 billion dollar company. Two smaller branded products will not impact its sales much. BTW, our stock is up about $10 a share in the last 10-12 months.

We have unhappy folks who don't have the courage or backbone to make better choices within their heads or outside of their heads. Just like every company, family, school etc. We also have the stars and super stars, just like every company, family, school etc. That cream of the crop seldom desires or needs to go to a site like this.

Since we launched, this will be my 3rd or 4th quarter to make not only way above our target bonus but also to get the portfolio bonus. (extra $ for exceeding target in all products). not boasting, just a good producer who likes the products.

You find what you seek. I like what I have found here. It is not perfect and never will be but it is working to get better and I like it.

And remember, filter, filter, filter...even this post. Go with Peace.
Wow this person has no clue or is someone from hq trying to fool the sales force. Covidien is a billion dollar company, no thanks to the pharma division. That's why we are being spun off. AND that is why the stock has went up because of the spin off about to happen. Holy shit I hope whoever wrote this is truly not that dumb. The cream of the crop is up one day and down the next and interviewing for everything in sight. Believe me, I know.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:23 PM
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Banghead Re: WTF are you guys doing???

That post sounded like our Director of Sales w
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:26 PM
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Banghead Re: WTF are you guys doing???

That post sounded like our Director of Sales who does't have a clue how unhappy his people are and how much he contributes to that unhappiness. Either that or he doesn't care.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: WTF are you guys doing???

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The happier and more successful reps rarely, if ever, come to Cafe' Pharma. I hope you filter everything you read. I do on my rare drop ins to this site. Oddly enough, I always regret having read 90% of the posts but it is like a train wreck and hard to look away.

We are selling a truckload of Pennsaid and Exalgo. VGel is coming back now. EX, when tried and dosed correctly has helped a lot of patients.

IF you are our competition, then you should be able to see our numbers. Maybe at the territory level, your local rep may not be competitive.

Per the sales, Covidien is about a $12-13 billion dollar company. Two smaller branded products will not impact its sales much. BTW, our stock is up about $10 a share in the last 10-12 months.

We have unhappy folks who don't have the courage or backbone to make better choices within their heads or outside of their heads. Just like every company, family, school etc. We also have the stars and super stars, just like every company, family, school etc. That cream of the crop seldom desires or needs to go to a site like this.

Since we launched, this will be my 3rd or 4th quarter to make not only way above our target bonus but also to get the portfolio bonus. (extra $ for exceeding target in all products). not boasting, just a good producer who likes the products.

You find what you seek. I like what I have found here. It is not perfect and never will be but it is working to get better and I like it.

And remember, filter, filter, filter...even this post. Go with Peace.
I am calling bullshit on almost EVERYTHING you just said. I have the script break downs nationwide and it does not reflect that. In select areas its killing, but in 75% it is barely beating or getting creamed. Not the rags to riches story you are pulling. Also the stock is up because the pharma side is about to be offloaded. get a clue
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:05 PM
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The happier and more successful reps rarely, if ever, come to Cafe' Pharma. I hope you filter everything you read. I do on my rare drop ins to this site. Oddly enough, I always regret having read 90% of the posts but it is like a train wreck and hard to look away.

We are selling a truckload of Pennsaid and Exalgo. VGel is coming back now. EX, when tried and dosed correctly has helped a lot of patients.

IF you are our competition, then you should be able to see our numbers. Maybe at the territory level, your local rep may not be competitive.

Per the sales, Covidien is about a $12-13 billion dollar company. Two smaller branded products will not impact its sales much. BTW, our stock is up about $10 a share in the last 10-12 months.

We have unhappy folks who don't have the courage or backbone to make better choices within their heads or outside of their heads. Just like every company, family, school etc. We also have the stars and super stars, just like every company, family, school etc. That cream of the crop seldom desires or needs to go to a site like this.

Since we launched, this will be my 3rd or 4th quarter to make not only way above our target bonus but also to get the portfolio bonus. (extra $ for exceeding target in all products). not boasting, just a good producer who likes the products.

You find what you seek. I like what I have found here. It is not perfect and never will be but it is working to get better and I like it.

And remember, filter, filter, filter...even this post. Go with Peace.
I have worked for many pharma companies in my career and been at the top and bottom. I can tell you from an honest perspective that presidents club and shitty reps alike read this board. To be honest ive noticed that the performers read it more because they are more obsessed with anything and everything to do with their main focus in life.. their job. not knocking it just pointing out that your ignorance has no leg to stand on. go with peace to do some fact checking lol.
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:44 PM
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Poster #17 here. (A few things addressed from the posts above)

My territory might be above average. No exaggerations were made on it's success or the bonus payouts. What would I gain from 'bragging' on an nameless post? nothing

There is no reason for me to lie or for that matter, return here.

I do not see nation competitive numbers and could be off on our market share or our RX increase vs others. Cannot say for sure. If you have the NATIONAL numbers, post them.

A few of us of us are beating OpanaER.

Most of us in the last two months at least, have gained a lot of ground against VGel. We have not caught VGel but to be fair, don't forget it it had a 3-4 year head start and 2 or 3 times as many reps working it.

Per turnover...it is our fault. As any company might do, made some poor hires initially. That is our mistake. Sometimes, folks just belong in another industry or in another company.

Per the poor hires, what would YOU do with reps who have been around since launch, that as a manger you have gotten to know, and they still sell in less than say 10-15 scripts per week from in their lead product? How long do you wait? How long before you or the rep makes the decision that it just isn't working? As you can see, it is not easy to terminate anyone.

Be patient, keep your own house in order and try to help each other out. That, and refraining from throwing grenades at each other, is about all we can do.

We have work to do as a company but every company does. What chat board anywhere has any positive posts? On these boards, the whiners whine and the winners win because that is what they choose to do.

The company, who is US, is not blind to our faults and want to make things better. Please choose to lead, follow, or get out of the way. We are back to making choices. Go ahead, blast away if it makes you happy.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:15 AM
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Poster #17 here. (A few things addressed from the posts above)

My territory might be above average. No exaggerations were made on it's success or the bonus payouts. What would I gain from 'bragging' on an nameless post? nothing

There is no reason for me to lie or for that matter, return here.

I do not see nation competitive numbers and could be off on our market share or our RX increase vs others. Cannot say for sure. If you have the NATIONAL numbers, post them.

A few of us of us are beating OpanaER.

Most of us in the last two months at least, have gained a lot of ground against VGel. We have not caught VGel but to be fair, don't forget it it had a 3-4 year head start and 2 or 3 times as many reps working it.

Per turnover...it is our fault. As any company might do, made some poor hires initially. That is our mistake. Sometimes, folks just belong in another industry or in another company.

Per the poor hires, what would YOU do with reps who have been around since launch, that as a manger you have gotten to know, and they still sell in less than say 10-15 scripts per week from in their lead product? How long do you wait? How long before you or the rep makes the decision that it just isn't working? As you can see, it is not easy to terminate anyone.

Be patient, keep your own house in order and try to help each other out. That, and refraining from throwing grenades at each other, is about all we can do.

We have work to do as a company but every company does. What chat board anywhere has any positive posts? On these boards, the whiners whine and the winners win because that is what they choose to do.

The company, who is US, is not blind to our faults and want to make things better. Please choose to lead, follow, or get out of the way. We are back to making choices. Go ahead, blast away if it makes you happy.
You just totally avoided that well thought out response to your post putting the responsibility on the individual and taking it 100% away from the company. You folded like a lawn chair my friend. Typical covidien corporate climber mentality. /fail
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:41 PM
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Poster #17 here. (A few things addressed from the posts above)

My territory might be above average. No exaggerations were made on it's success or the bonus payouts. What would I gain from 'bragging' on an nameless post? nothing

There is no reason for me to lie or for that matter, return here.

I do not see nation competitive numbers and could be off on our market share or our RX increase vs others. Cannot say for sure. If you have the NATIONAL numbers, post them.

A few of us of us are beating OpanaER.

Most of us in the last two months at least, have gained a lot of ground against VGel. We have not caught VGel but to be fair, don't forget it it had a 3-4 year head start and 2 or 3 times as many reps working it.

Per turnover...it is our fault. As any company might do, made some poor hires initially. That is our mistake. Sometimes, folks just belong in another industry or in another company.

Per the poor hires, what would YOU do with reps who have been around since launch, that as a manger you have gotten to know, and they still sell in less than say 10-15 scripts per week from in their lead product? How long do you wait? How long before you or the rep makes the decision that it just isn't working? As you can see, it is not easy to terminate anyone.

Be patient, keep your own house in order and try to help each other out. That, and refraining from throwing grenades at each other, is about all we can do.

We have work to do as a company but every company does. What chat board anywhere has any positive posts? On these boards, the whiners whine and the winners win because that is what they choose to do.

The company, who is US, is not blind to our faults and want to make things better. Please choose to lead, follow, or get out of the way. We are back to making choices. Go ahead, blast away if it makes you happy.
Thank you for reinforcing the previous point that the company is poorly run. However, I do not agree that it is all poor hires or that certain people should be in other industries. I have seen fantastic reps chased out of this company or placed in horrible territories with no managed car or viable targets to meet any sort of goals.

Also about the poor hires. During the expansion we were all fed the now apparent BS lines that 100s of people interviewed for the position you won. If there were that many people, and a lot veteran pharma reps with proven back grounds than how did management and corporate make soooooooo many poor choices to justify the way above average high turnover rate?? The only 2 answers I can think of is this. Horrible "me too" products that cost more and aren't as effective as the competition and overall lack of any viable support from the corporate/manager structure. I do agree just like with any job/company there are certain people that should not be there, but not on this scale.

Overall this company is just like all other companies, but shittier. Every company feeds you the "we are a family" "think about the greater good" "we are in this together" mantra up until they find out they can toss you out. They ask you to sacrifice for the company, but the company never returns the favor. NEVER. Overall shitty company.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:37 PM
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The reason that I left is that the goals were RIDICULOUS. How does someone compete with a territory that has to do nothing? But these low volume territories are the company "performers". Terrible and poorly run company. I am in a much better place now. Do not give up. There are better places and I am proof of that.
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