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Old 04-27-2012, 08:24 AM
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Ok. ok. ok. My gut tells me that the merger may not produce many casualties. Both businesses are strong and profitable so there won't be a need to lay employees off. But what about the enormous pay rates for the Synthes Trauma,Synthes Spine & Depuy Spine reps?

Will JNJ reduce pay, commissions, territory sizes?
What will become of the senior Synthes trauma reps that are in their mid-late 40's that are used to $400k salaries like Pferdeherteayiruei (I can't f*cking spell his name) and Dirty Daley?

I can't image that JNJ will allow the grunts to make more than the managers/execs.

What will these guys do when their salaries are cut in half and possibly laid off? What in the world would E. Daley do?
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:59 PM
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This is what they should do: Thank God for the good years that they had making that kind of money because less than 1% of the people in this country make that and many of them work equally hard or harder. Hopefully, these people saved some money aside for the time that they may have to take a cut in pay or lost the job. Hopefully, the lived below their means if they have to adjust to their new paychecks.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:39 PM
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Stop calling this a merger because it isn't. Synthes was bought out. Wyss sold out. J&J is not changing its name to Synthes. A merger is when two equals or near equals come together. Many times they combine names like Glaxo Smith Kline or they choose a new name like Covidian. This was stricky a sellout or a buyout depending on how you look at it but definitely not a merger.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:45 PM
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Stop calling this a merger because it isn't. Synthes was bought out. Wyss sold out. J&J is not changing its name to Synthes. A merger is when two equals or near equals come together. Many times they combine names like Glaxo Smith Kline or they choose a new name like Covidian. This was stricky a sellout or a buyout depending on how you look at it but definitely not a merger.
Hey Stricky

What is it when the guy that runs the small company becomes the guy that runs all of the ortho division of the big company and the small company becomes the big company's ortho line and the big company goes from dist to direct? I understand who bought who but if you take me on as a player and I become your coach there is a different than normal situation there. Synthes did not have to sell, they did so under understood and agreed upon terms.
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:14 PM
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Boom goes the dynamite! Well said. Still at the very least they will prob knock our commissions down to 10-11%. Could b worse.
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:55 PM
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It's all downhill from here. Sorry, I agree with the earlier poster, this is a buyout.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:00 PM
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Boom goes the dynamite! Well said. Still at the very least they will prob knock our commissions down to 10-11%. Could b worse.
And at 10-11% you will be making 2-7% more in commissions than your new DePuy counterparts. For a year or so, at least. Then they'll transition you down to our dismal new commission structure.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:04 PM
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And at 10-11% you will be making 2-7% more in commissions than your new DePuy counterparts. For a year or so, at least. Then they'll transition you down to our dismal new commission structure.
It's not al bad...Walmart is hiring sales reps.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:24 PM
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It's not al bad...Walmart is hiring sales reps.
How about Regional Managers, or AVPs?? However they would need positions with little to no interaction with the customer.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:55 PM
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How about Regional Managers, or AVPs?? However they would need positions with little to no interaction with the customer.
Most RM's should have a ankle bracelet and mandatory 8am-5pm video monitoring. Then KC could watch them while they do nothing. While at his cigar club. Zing!

Bunch of fucking losers.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:27 PM
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You mean no lay-offs as of yet... Biomaterials & Spine can look forward to such. To the novice who write that a few billion $ of the acquisition price is covered by Synthes fixed infrastructure, get a clue. Synthes doesn't own high rises anywhere, only some select bldgs around the world that don't come anywhere near a few billion $ in their book value.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:15 PM
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You mean no lay-offs as of yet... Biomaterials & Spine can look forward to such. To the novice who write that a few billion $ of the acquisition price is covered by Synthes fixed infrastructure, get a clue. Synthes doesn't own high rises anywhere, only some select bldgs around the world that don't come anywhere near a few billion $ in their book value.
My guess would by that Wyss owns the buildings and leases them to Synthes.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:15 PM
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You mean no lay-offs as of yet... Biomaterials & Spine can look forward to such. To the novice who write that a few billion $ of the acquisition price is covered by Synthes fixed infrastructure, get a clue. Synthes doesn't own high rises anywhere, only some select bldgs around the world that don't come anywhere near a few billion $ in their book value.
I believe the individual you're referencing might also have mentioned inventory and other assets, such as Synthes small # of corporate jets (which will quickly disappear once the acquisition is fully complete). No way all of those assets and the buildings, whether owned by Synthes or not, amount to a few Billion $. I think the secretarial typing pool (which accounts for 98% of the workforce here) like to think that they're safe & comfortable where their jobs are concerned, let alone their salaries. LOL. Some personnel are in for a shock.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:02 AM
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FYI, most DePuy trauma reps were making 12%-13%
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:35 AM
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obviously everyone on this post is a bottom feeder posing as a real Sales Consulant it's just a matter of time before you are found out as frauds and the company sends you packing. If you were working you would have no trouble making the type of money that those who do work make. I'd also judge by your comments you people are obviously Obama supporters and were probably part of the Occupy Wall Street crowd ranting against those productive members of society that are actually doing something with their lives unlike this useless group or malcontents.

No the world will continue on and as always - there will be people like you and then there will be people like us who get paid for performance.

Stop complaining and start doing what the company is paying for and no one will figure that you are stealing from the company.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:26 PM
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obviously everyone on this post is a bottom feeder posing as a real Sales Consulant it's just a matter of time before you are found out as frauds and the company sends you packing. If you were working you would have no trouble making the type of money that those who do work make. I'd also judge by your comments you people are obviously Obama supporters and were probably part of the Occupy Wall Street crowd ranting against those productive members of society that are actually doing something with their lives unlike this useless group or malcontents.

No the world will continue on and as always - there will be people like you and then there will be people like us who get paid for performance.

Stop complaining and start doing what the company is paying for and no one will figure that you are stealing from the company.
Finally someone on the post with a brain. The bitter whining gets so old
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:49 PM
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obviously everyone on this post is a bottom feeder posing as a real Sales Consulant it's just a matter of time before you are found out as frauds and the company sends you packing. If you were working you would have no trouble making the type of money that those who do work make. I'd also judge by your comments you people are obviously Obama supporters and were probably part of the Occupy Wall Street crowd ranting against those productive members of society that are actually doing something with their lives unlike this useless group or malcontents.

No the world will continue on and as always - there will be people like you and then there will be people like us who get paid for performance.

Stop complaining and start doing what the company is paying for and no one will figure that you are stealing from the company.
"and no one will figure that you are stealing from the company."

Wow, a self-admitted thief who is obviously proud of it. Sure, gain the whole world and forfeit your soul. Brilliant. Your children will be proud.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:57 AM
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When is the closing date?
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Old 05-19-2012, 02:21 AM
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This is what they should do: Thank God for the good years that they had making that kind of money because less than 1% of the people in this country make that and many of them work equally hard or harder. Hopefully, these people saved some money aside for the time that they may have to take a cut in pay or lost the job. Hopefully, the lived below their means if they have to adjust to their new paychecks.

This is the most infuriating thing I've ever heard anyone say. First of all, I work for competitor, I make that kind of money. I know exactly what it takes to build a business from nothing, work my ass off, and form the kinds of relationships it takes to be successful on that level as an orthopedic rep. I also know the sacrifice that it takes to generate those kinds numbers month by month, year after year. I sincerely hope you are not a rep... we are all governed by the same rules, and face the same challenges. You should applaud anyone in your company that have achieved that level of success and more importantly model yourself and your business after theirs. Then maybe you can be part of the 1%... then maybe you will thank god for not being a lazy socialist piece of shit who feels entitled to what others have earned.... just a thought
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:05 AM
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This is the most infuriating thing I've ever heard anyone say. First of all, I work for competitor, I make that kind of money. I know exactly what it takes to build a business from nothing, work my ass off, and form the kinds of relationships it takes to be successful on that level as an orthopedic rep. I also know the sacrifice that it takes to generate those kinds numbers month by month, year after year. I sincerely hope you are not a rep... we are all governed by the same rules, and face the same challenges. You should applaud anyone in your company that have achieved that level of success and more importantly model yourself and your business after theirs. Then maybe you can be part of the 1%... then maybe you will thank god for not being a lazy socialist piece of shit who feels entitled to what others have earned.... just a thought
Well put. Sadly, there are far too many who just don't get it - and I don't believe it's just a generational thing. It runs from the blue-blood union socialists to the lazy-assed Occupiers. Who is John Galt?
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:29 AM
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This is the most infuriating thing I've ever heard anyone say. First of all, I work for competitor, I make that kind of money. I know exactly what it takes to build a business from nothing, work my ass off, and form the kinds of relationships it takes to be successful on that level as an orthopedic rep. I also know the sacrifice that it takes to generate those kinds numbers month by month, year after year. I sincerely hope you are not a rep... we are all governed by the same rules, and face the same challenges. You should applaud anyone in your company that have achieved that level of success and more importantly model yourself and your business after theirs. Then maybe you can be part of the 1%... then maybe you will thank god for not being a lazy socialist piece of shit who feels entitled to what others have earned.... just a thought

Get off you soapbox, pops and be thankful that when you built your business (which is your job and what we all strive to do each day) that you had the selection of accounts to generate that kind of business. Many people have territories out there that consist of smaller accounts which will never generate the big numbers. Not a socialist here..just a johnny come lately to the party after the territories were split many times.
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:09 PM
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It will be a great day when those market forces you tools worship put all you snake oil salesfolk out of business.
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:53 PM
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Almost everyone who's worked for a company that's been bought out always buys the bullshit about no changes and no layoffs. Those people are wrong 95 percent of the time. This may be different, but probably not. Let's revisit in 7 months. Good luck to everyone.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:15 AM
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Get off you soapbox, pops and be thankful that when you built your business (which is your job and what we all strive to do each day) that you had the selection of accounts to generate that kind of business. Many people have territories out there that consist of smaller accounts which will never generate the big numbers. Not a socialist here..just a johnny come lately to the party after the territories were split many times.
I am not trying to be rude, or on a soap box, and I am 32 hardly worthy of the nickname pops.. I have been in the game for 7 years now. I have had accounts flat out taken away (with no lost comp), Ive given up accounts voluntarily, Ive been locked out of major accounts from contracts, in one year I even had 4 incredibly loyal surgeons move to other states! Even through all of that adversity I have managed to grow my numbers AND hit quota (some of them rather obnoxious) year after year. Did I get lucky with regard to accounts, yes, and ill be the first to admit it. But more importantly did I make my own luck, yes, often times. I don't care where you are geographically, If you are selling orthopedics for any of the major Ortho companies the types of incomes that started this thread, and my rant are entirely possible. You have to work hard for it, become an expert master your craft, and dominate your accounts (which is what your job is!). For the record.. I started as an associate... like most of you i'd assume.. I got my own territory 1.5 years in. I was "gifted" a territory that was doing less than 300k (sales, not my income) in business at that time (before we start in on my huge territory I was given)

Its these kinds of attitudes that have allowed me to dominate you! And I'm not just talking about the poster, I'm referring to all Synthes reps. Its the attitude that your territory "should" generate a certain kind of money, thinking you deserve it. Synthes offers great products, and many of you are great reps, I have a tremendous amount of respect for most of the Synthes reps I personally know. But, I have also seen those same great, knowledgeable reps lose business because of their general arrogance. You have to constantly go after new business, AND maintain your existing business.

Im stepping down off my soapbox. Im not trying to preach to anyone, like I said, I have a tremendous amount of respect for you all. Im just saying It can be done, there are still people putting up those kinds of numbers (and not all of them are worthy of the name "pops"). One last thing, I didn't get here selling hips, or knees, or 35k/case spine implants while tossing in a few extra pedicle screws.... I ONLY sell trauma... one other reason I have so much respect for you Synthes reps, and part of the reason the original comment struck such a nerve. We've all been called in at 2,3,4 am.. and worked the whole next day, missed the kids birthday, missed your own birthday.. the list goes on. We all make good money compared to most, and have been given an incredible opportunity at a very comfortable life...if you aren't making the most of it, go after it, don't sit on the sidelines and bitch about the guy that is.

please excuse me.. I have to go count my money, lol
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:36 PM
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obviously everyone on this post is a bottom feeder posing as a real Sales Consulant it's just a matter of time before you are found out as frauds and the company sends you packing. If you were working you would have no trouble making the type of money that those who do work make. I'd also judge by your comments you people are obviously Obama supporters and were probably part of the Occupy Wall Street crowd ranting against those productive members of society that are actually doing something with their lives unlike this useless group or malcontents.

No the world will continue on and as always - there will be people like you and then there will be people like us who get paid for performance.

Stop complaining and start doing what the company is paying for and no one will figure that you are stealing from the company.
Stealing from the company? Where do Synthes reps find the time when we all know they're busy stealing from their accounts.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:19 AM
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Almost everyone who's worked for a company that's been bought out always buys the bullshit about no changes and no layoffs. Those people are wrong 95 percent of the time. This may be different, but probably not. Let's revisit in 7 months. Good luck to everyone.
If your in spine start looking for a job.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:22 AM
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If your in spine start looking for a job.
Please tell
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:01 PM
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If your in spine start looking for a job.
That's not the only division where layoffs will occur.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:45 PM
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That's not the only division where layoffs will occur.
LOL @ people who think they have a clue! No one knows anything. You don't drop $22 billion on a company to tear apart it's infrastructure and what's made it an appealing acquisition to begin with.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:38 AM
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LOL @ people who think they have a clue! No one knows anything. You don't drop $22 billion on a company to tear apart it's infrastructure and what's made it an appealing acquisition to begin with.
Spine will be going to distributors like depuy is currently. Dude, read the post about acquisitions. That person is dead on. Shits gonna change no matter what thy tell you.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:01 AM
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LOL @ people who think they have a clue! No one knows anything. You don't drop $22 billion on a company to tear apart it's infrastructure and what's made it an appealing acquisition to begin with.
I laugh at idiots like you that don't understand that cost savings (i.e. lay-offs) are a huge part of wringing out the value in such deals.
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:16 PM
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Spine to follow the distributor model? You still think that this late in the game? The number of DePuy distributors has been dropping like flies over the past several months, in fact, we will probably be able to count the number of "spine distributors" on 2 hands, maybe even 1 hand when all is said and done at closing. Most (literally speaking) of the DePuy reps who were working for distributors are now direct employees of JnJ, or looking for work. Granted there will be a couple areas in the country where DePuy distribution is strong, like around 100 million + annually strong, that will remain as distributors.... at least for another year or two, until Orsinger gets ahold of them... Orsinger is known to dislike the distribution model. Hey, I could be wrong, Im not on the integration committee, but I have gotten a pretty wide picture of what has happened across the states thus far.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:49 AM
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If your in spine start looking for a job.
i from spine asia...already left few months back..i think more following suit.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:26 AM
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This is what they should do: Thank God for the good years that they had making that kind of money because less than 1% of the people in this country make that and many of them work equally hard or harder. Hopefully, these people saved some money aside for the time that they may have to take a cut in pay or lost the job. Hopefully, the lived below their means if they have to adjust to their new paychecks.
lol stop been so envious, you obviously don't make that kind of money. Smart people that figure out how to win and do better is what built this country no envious people like you, whom obviously have a leftist socialist mentality. Loose with dignity.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:28 AM
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Ok. ok. ok. My gut tells me that the merger may not produce many casualties. Both businesses are strong and profitable so there won't be a need to lay employees off. But what about the enormous pay rates for the Synthes Trauma,Synthes Spine & Depuy Spine reps?

Will JNJ reduce pay, commissions, territory sizes?
What will become of the senior Synthes trauma reps that are in their mid-late 40's that are used to $400k salaries like Pferdeherteayiruei (I can't f*cking spell his name) and Dirty Daley?

I can't image that JNJ will allow the grunts to make more than the managers/execs.

What will these guys do when their salaries are cut in half and possibly laid off? What in the world would E. Daley do?
lol I am not expert but the only people excited are the fat cows in their ivory tower.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:30 AM
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lol stop been so envious, you obviously don't make that kind of money. Smart people that figure out how to win and do better is what built this country no envious people like you, whom obviously have a leftist socialist mentality. Loose with dignity.
Your command of the English language is horrifyingly bad. When you say "this country," are you referring to Switzerland?
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:16 PM
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who is the fag on these threads that gives a shit about grammer?
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:25 AM
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I am the OP.
Told ya' so. I predicted this would happen. Synthes folks wanted to hold to hope. Too late for that..
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:30 AM
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I am the OP.
Told ya' so. I predicted this would happen. Synthes folks wanted to hold to hope. Too late for that..
Explain.
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:48 PM
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who is the fag on these threads that gives a shit about grammer?
Well aren't you an adorable caricature of the dimwitted Neanderthal sales rep! Good luck surviving the real world after Depuy delivers you the axe next week!
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