Please no new drug!

The crap you are looking at is pathetic and many of the reps now know what the top contenders are. We don't want them. The management and leaders have made this pathetic company the most horrendous environment to work. Do you think adding a second subpar hospital drug is going to make us happier?! We have enough on our plates now until we fin a new job thank you.

Unless its an anti-depressant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless its an anti-depressant

I totally agree! Can you imagine having to sell something else in addition? Here is hoping New jobs start opening up for everyone! Every week the news gets worse and worse. Not looking forward to this weeks town hall meeting and listening to Randy's propaganda.

The big pharma micro-managers running this place must being creaming at the thought of the possibilities:

1 drug + 1 drug = 2 business plans

I doubt the Board of Directors will allow Ted & Scott to take this company any further down than he has already. Getting a second drug is foolish on so many levels. If you listen to Scott's speech from a few days ago, he states that the company is NOT going to take on a second drug until they get this one on it's way! Ted & Scott have little power these days... the BOD has to answer to the investors. No way will the BOD or stockholders approve chasing 'good' money after 'bad' Things are so bad right now...changing CEO & COO might help!

God do you not have a life outside of this job! Everyday some new ridiculous complaint. It is really sad. Just stick to your primary and secondary complaint which actually may have some merit. Remember - this drug was going to sell itself and secondly, you apparently do not like your boss. keep it simple. All this other made up stuff makes you sound like an hysterical baby. Dont want a new product, they arent going to pay a bonus, italy manufacturing issue, Scott is leaving, running out of money in six months.
By next week you will have come up with some other nonsense> could it be a buy out, the cover up about cancer and apap, the board of directors is taking over, Ted is leaving etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

God do you not have a life outside of this job! Everyday some new ridiculous complaint. It is really sad. Just stick to your primary and secondary complaint which actually may have some merit. Remember - this drug was going to sell itself and secondly, you apparently do not like your boss. keep it simple. All this other made up stuff makes you sound like an hysterical baby. Dont want a new product, they arent going to pay a bonus, italy manufacturing issue, Scott is leaving, running out of money in six months.
By next week you will have come up with some other nonsense> could it be a buy out, the cover up about cancer and apap, the board of directors is taking over, Ted is leaving etc

OMG you disgusting brown-noser. YOU are the one who is sad and assume it is only one person leaving comments. Most of the reps hate it here....let that sink in you idiot! Most hate it here for SEVERAL reasons. If you bare sick of these comments, then why are you trolling tis board moron? You are a douche.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

God do you not have a life outside of this job! Everyday some new ridiculous complaint. It is really sad. Just stick to your primary and secondary complaint which actually may have some merit. Remember - this drug was going to sell itself and secondly, you apparently do not like your boss. keep it simple. All this other made up stuff makes you sound like an hysterical baby. Dont want a new product, they arent going to pay a bonus, italy manufacturing issue, Scott is leaving, running out of money in six months.
By next week you will have come up with some other nonsense> could it be a buy out, the cover up about cancer and apap, the board of directors is taking over, Ted is leaving etc

So are you saying they are going to pay bonus this year withoutbany changes? Could we get that in writing, asshole?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The big pharma micro-managers running this place must being creaming at the thought of the possibilities:

1 drug + 1 drug = 2 business plans

Omg! So funny. I had heard that upper management had told the DMs to lay off the reps. So much for that. Now my manager is sending nice BS emails to cover his ass. But on the phone or in person he's still an insecure, demeaning, abusive, micromanaging dipshit. Seriously, you would not believe the crap he says to me. Guess I'm going to have to start taping him.

Too funny! So instead of addressing the child, address the children.
So you're not hysterical?
Baby doesn't get their bottle so we get to hear the babies scream. Maybe you and your dsm are the problem and not just him.

Are you really that upset about the chance the bonus plan could change. They told us it would change quarterly last quarter and that was in writing.

Again, it is just a job. You sell IV APAP for a living and that is it. As a general rule people do not like their jobs but could you imagine if everyone carried on with these silly and often exaggerated or made up stories just to say what many already know or assume.


Good luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny! So instead of addressing the child, address the children.
So you're not hysterical?
Baby doesn't get their bottle so we get to hear the babies scream. Maybe you and your dsm are the problem and not just him.

Are you really that upset about the chance the bonus plan could change. They told us it would change quarterly last quarter and that was in writing.

Again, it is just a job. You sell IV APAP for a living and that is it. As a general rule people do not like their jobs but could you imagine if everyone carried on with these silly and often exaggerated or made up stories just to say what many already know or assume.


Good luck

Don't post on here anymore, you suck at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The crap you are looking at is pathetic and many of the reps now know what the top contenders are. We don't want them. The management and leaders have made this pathetic company the most horrendous environment to work. Do you think adding a second subpar hospital drug is going to make us happier?! We have enough on our plates now until we fin a new job thank you.

What products are the top contenders. Let's hear gem? Iv antibiotic?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too funny! So instead of addressing the child, address the children.
So you're not hysterical?
Baby doesn't get their bottle so we get to hear the babies scream. Maybe you and your dsm are the problem and not just him.

Are you really that upset about the chance the bonus plan could change. They told us it would change quarterly last quarter and that was in writing.

Again, it is just a job. You sell IV APAP for a living and that is it. As a general rule people do not like their jobs but could you imagine if everyone carried on with these silly and often exaggerated or made up stories just to say what many already know or assume.


Good luck

Look, moron. It's not just that the bonus plan could change. The document they sent out for reps to sign said CEO could TERMINATE BONUS plan an time. No one has ever had to sign anything like that. So dick head, it's a legitimate concern, not histeria. Yes, it is a job, and we should know that we're going to get fucking paid for it. Not a conern for you? What's wrong with you? Are you just doing this job for the fun of it? You should apply for a DM spot here when those spots start opening up...you'd be perfect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Omg! So funny. I had heard that upper management had told the DMs to lay off the reps. So much for that. Now my manager is sending nice BS emails to cover his ass. But on the phone or in person he's still an insecure, demeaning, abusive, micromanaging dipshit. Seriously, you would not believe the crap he says to me. Guess I'm going to have to start taping him.

I already did tape mine and I have a reaaaaaly nice file of all the unethical things he has asked the reps to do. What a dumb ass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I already did tape mine and I have a reaaaaaly nice file of all the unethical things he has asked the reps to do. What a dumb ass.

I have been doing the same thing_-best advice i was ever given. Your manager makes a file on you and you should do the same. Save ALL emails from them and if there is an incident outside of email, write an email to yourself about the incident. It may seem strange but it will provide you with a time and date and a bit of physical evidence. So as incidences happen, send yourself an email and be as descriptive as possible.....then print them out and make a file! CYA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been doing the same thing_-best advice i was ever given. Your manager makes a file on you and you should do the same. Save ALL emails from them and if there is an incident outside of email, write an email to yourself about the incident. It may seem strange but it will provide you with a time and date and a bit of physical evidence. So as incidences happen, send yourself an email and be as descriptive as possible.....then print them out and make a file! CYA

Sounds great, but I'm way to busy taking notes, documenting and reporting extensively on interactions with physicians and managing their interactions with my MSL. You feel me HR? The DoJ will love this paper trail someday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds great, but I'm way to busy taking notes, documenting and reporting extensively on interactions with physicians and managing their interactions with my MSL. You feel me HR? The DoJ will love this paper trail someday.

HR? I think this activity would be more something legal would be interested in monitoring, but I don't think we have a legal department. They were laid off last December.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have been doing the same thing_-best advice i was ever given. Your manager makes a file on you and you should do the same. Save ALL emails from them and if there is an incident outside of email, write an email to yourself about the incident. It may seem strange but it will provide you with a time and date and a bit of physical evidence. So as incidences happen, send yourself an email and be as descriptive as possible.....then print them out and make a file! CYA

Good thing most of my family are attorneys. Two other things they told me: don't forward work emails to your personal email account. Print them off directly from Cadence email and save. They also advised same things about emailing yourself about incidents. Just make sure you do it on Cadence email because then there is record of it happening on their server.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HR? I think this activity would be more something legal would be interested in monitoring, but I don't think we have a legal department. They were laid off last December.

No more Hazel?

We don't have an HR department either. They're just like every other company -- their only concern is protecting management and the company. This is what Cadence does--Create hostile work environment, reps will quit, and then they don't have to pay unemployment. HR is never interested in protecting reps. If they were, some managers would have already been fired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good thing most of my family are attorneys. Two other things they told me: don't forward work emails to your personal email account. Print them off directly from Cadence email and save. They also advised same things about emailing yourself about incidents. Just make sure you do it on Cadence email because then there is record of it happening on their server.

Thanks for the sound advice!

So your dsm asks you to do unehticl things and your reaction is to do nothing but make some copies. How about address it with them like a professional. Before you go ballistic on me hear me out. By addressing it you confirm their actual intent and eliminate confusion. This request can be through email and after the email response or conversation you send them a reply of your understanding of what is asked. This way there is a record and it is clear. For the paranoid people it also helps protect against a perceived retrobution down the road from your DSm as it gives you basis for a case. I have done this before when direction was not clear and it has always slowed the emotions down and brought a proper response. This signals the dsm to be more specific with you and most likely reduces similar confusion that your counterparts might be getting too.
To hear people complain about potential unethical behaviors but do nothing really sickens me. It makes me think you were in agreement or complisite? with the dsm but now you dont like your boss and hope to use it againt him. It also means you would allow other coworkers to be put through the same issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your dsm asks you to do unehticl things and your reaction is to do nothing but make some copies. How about address it with them like a professional. Before you go ballistic on me hear me out. By addressing it you confirm their actual intent and eliminate confusion. This request can be through email and after the email response or conversation you send them a reply of your understanding of what is asked. This way there is a record and it is clear. For the paranoid people it also helps protect against a perceived retrobution down the road from your DSm as it gives you basis for a case. I have done this before when direction was not clear and it has always slowed the emotions down and brought a proper response. This signals the dsm to be more specific with you and most likely reduces similar confusion that your counterparts might be getting too.
To hear people complain about potential unethical behaviors but do nothing really sickens me. It makes me think you were in agreement or complisite? with the dsm but now you dont like your boss and hope to use it againt him. It also means you would allow other coworkers to be put through the same issue.

I am not the original poster, but you just gave horrible advice! You never directly approach someone that has done something wrong or unethical. There are better and mor appropriate channels. Bad comment!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your dsm asks you to do unehticl things and your reaction is to do nothing but make some copies. How about address it with them like a professional. Before you go ballistic on me hear me out. By addressing it you confirm their actual intent and eliminate confusion. This request can be through email and after the email response or conversation you send them a reply of your understanding of what is asked. This way there is a record and it is clear. For the paranoid people it also helps protect against a perceived retrobution down the road from your DSm as it gives you basis for a case. I have done this before when direction was not clear and it has always slowed the emotions down and brought a proper response. This signals the dsm to be more specific with you and most likely reduces similar confusion that your counterparts might be getting too.
To hear people complain about potential unethical behaviors but do nothing really sickens me. It makes me think you were in agreement or complisite? with the dsm but now you dont like your boss and hope to use it againt him. It also means you would allow other coworkers to be put through the same issue.

Are you really that naive? There's no complicity...anytime anyone speaks up, they're on the chopping block. The majority of the management team have known each other for over 15 years and they all protect one another. The stuff I have is not "potentially" unethical...it's blatantly unethical...and if you assholes try to screw us out of paying bonus, believe me, I will whistle blow my ass off!!!

To each his own. I have done this in practice and it has worked fine. Clearly, i do not know what you have been instructed to do by your dsm but when in doubt I have always followed up an email or verbal conversation back to anyone from mgmt with an email.
Only once did i send that to an RSD or HR for further confirmation. Once hr contacted me and the dsm to affirm the answer and once the rsd contacted me and the manager that the direction was incorrect. Per the RSD the DSM emailed me confirming his direction was incorrect and not appropriate. This was at a previous company and my career there was not negitavely impacted best i could tell. Neither request was outragoues but were questionable.
My previous 2 companies had similr verbage about the bonus and the CEO authority. It is not new verbage but most never read the fine print. If the ceo did hold it back your documents might be meaningless because the company would be bankrpt and the preferred stockholders and everyone would get whats left. Watch for 50 cents base vial and $4.10 growth q3
In a layoff you would have to decline any serverance in order to sue and any attorney would require you pay them for all fees and exps. None take it on contingence as most cases are not successful. Free to spend the effort and time but is it really worth the outrage.
Best bet is look for a new company. Why hang for the hassles. In the end you will allways be unhappy here and if you get downsized you will hate yourself more for not leaving earlier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To each his own. I have done this in practice and it has worked fine. Clearly, i do not know what you have been instructed to do by your dsm but when in doubt I have always followed up an email or verbal conversation back to anyone from mgmt with an email.
Only once did i send that to an RSD or HR for further confirmation. Once hr contacted me and the dsm to affirm the answer and once the rsd contacted me and the manager that the direction was incorrect. Per the RSD the DSM emailed me confirming his direction was incorrect and not appropriate. This was at a previous company and my career there was not negitavely impacted best i could tell. Neither request was outragoues but were questionable.
My previous 2 companies had similr verbage about the bonus and the CEO authority. It is not new verbage but most never read the fine print. If the ceo did hold it back your documents might be meaningless because the company would be bankrpt and the preferred stockholders and everyone would get whats left. Watch for 50 cents base vial and $4.10 growth q3
In a layoff you would have to decline any serverance in order to sue and any attorney would require you pay them for all fees and exps. None take it on contingence as most cases are
not successful. Free to spend the effort and time but is it really worth the outrage.
Best bet is look for a new company. Why hang for the hassles. In the end you will allways be unhappy here and if you get downsized you will hate yourself more for not leaving earlier

I won't have to pay attorney fees because I have many family members that are attorneys. It's illegal in my state to not pay bonus once a sale has been made. You have no idea what you're talking about...I knew you were an idiot when you said you emailed HR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To each his own. I have done this in practice and it has worked fine. Clearly, i do not know what you have been instructed to do by your dsm but when in doubt I have always followed up an email or verbal conversation back to anyone from mgmt with an email.
Only once did i send that to an RSD or HR for further confirmation. Once hr contacted me and the dsm to affirm the answer and once the rsd contacted me and the manager that the direction was incorrect. Per the RSD the DSM emailed me confirming his direction was incorrect and not appropriate. This was at a previous company and my career there was not negitavely impacted best i could tell. Neither request was outragoues but were questionable.
My previous 2 companies had similr verbage about the bonus and the CEO authority. It is not new verbage but most never read the fine print. If the ceo did hold it back your documents might be meaningless because the company would be bankrpt and the preferred stockholders and everyone would get whats left. Watch for 50 cents base vial and $4.10 growth q3
In a layoff you would have to decline any serverance in order to sue and any attorney would require you pay them for all fees and exps. None take it on contingence as most cases are not successful. Free to spend the effort and time but is it really worth the outrage.
Best bet is look for a new company. Why hang for the hassles. In the end you will allways be unhappy here and if you get downsized you will hate yourself more for not leaving earlier

You're so stupid, you could be a manager here.

What are you talking about. Only you keep saying they are not paying your bonus. I certainly never said that nor did your employer. Did nt your attorney relatives tell you how implauseable it would be for a company to not pay a bonus after it was earned. It is so outside the relm of possiblities that merely thinking it is plausable demonstrates a seperation from reality.
Imagine I act like an adult and if my dsm says things that dont sound correct I have them reclarify and if needed I take it to a higher level. Its called being responsible or maybe even standing up for myself. Never had another questionable direction from either manager again. Have any of you ever tried it or are you too scared of the big bad dsm.

Hiding on cp and printing documents that will most likely never be used(lets be honest)
is not going to really make you feel better about the power you feel your boss has over you.
Take that energy and commit to finding a new job. CP is only keeping you down.

When I leave I will even post any openings at the new gig.

God be praised!

You're such a hypocrite! Why are you hiding on cafe pharma with your long winded posts? You are the one who has a separation from reality if you think I'm the only one who is worried about the company not paying bonus or trying to change terms of bonus payment (not paying after a rep quits, etc). The verbage in the IC plan doc we had to sign is NOT typical. It is completely clear to me that you are so "out of the know" because no one would ever tell you anything because you would probably email your RSD or HR to "clarify" if it were true. Please stop assuming everything and offering unsolicited advice. There are many ways the documents I have may be used...WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF! And if you need clarification, email HR, I'm sure they will have your best interest at heart.

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