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Old 09-01-2012, 09:56 PM
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Default Chronic Migraine reps will no longer sell Botox

You heard it folks, and you guys thought the expansion was a bombshell wait till this happens. RS and NM's future of neurosciences will have the NeuroRehab reps becoming the Botox reps and the CM reps will be the Levadex reps. The expansion is just the first part of their plan.

RS does not believe in the way Botox was built, through customer service, clinical selling, reimbursement knowledge, and realtionships. His vision of pharma is scripeted sales messages, reach & frequencey metrics, and speaker programs. He does not believe that the current reps will change their way so he will take Botox away from the longtime Botox reps. So the plan is to hire an outside sales force that will first be just NeuroRehab but eventually transition into full time Botox reps. He beleives he can whip a new sales force into shape and have them market Botox his way. He will then subject the longtime reps to AV and "teach" them how to sell Levadex.

The only thing he values from the current Botox field force is our understanding of our customer base so thats why the Ocotober NSM will be the time for the current Botox reps to begin the transistioning process of accounts. Having the expiercened reps with the realtionships open up the doors and make it easy for the new NeuroRehab reps will allow the new team to establish themselves very quickley then once Levadex is launched the more expeirence team will already have the relationships and will allow for a bigger initial impact for Levadex. Basically RS is planning on exploiting and using the current sales force but they aint telling anyone until Levadex is launched because they need you all for your knowledge and relationships and they don't want to piss the entire sales force off during the transition process so it wont be announced until next year.

So basically what RS and NM are doing is hiring a new Botox sales force, having the current Botox sales force open up all of the doors for the new sales force and help train them, then essentially demote that same sales force to big pharma speciality sampling reps, selling some reformulation of a 60 year old drug. Did'nt any of you guys think it was odd they no managers or NMCs were transfered over to NeuroRehab? Most companies transfer a certain % of their sales force over to the new team when a new division is created. They did that on purpose they did want as few of the longtime Botox people selling it to the office base practices.

This is what RS and NM think of all of you. Two guys that know less about this market than any of the NMCs. They are going to use you for your knowledge and relationships then take Botox away from you. Don't fall for any of their nice guy crap either they're just doing it so you all make it easy for them for their Ocotober meeting, after that they're done with you. They're all about getting themselves promoted as quick as possible they believe this is the best way to do it. Chew you and spit you out, nothing you all can do about it. What a shame.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:37 PM
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Where is the Oct NSM? Cali?
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:54 PM
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Do not know if this is true but it would not shock me if it is. RS and NM are flat out toxic and have destoryed this division. I'm going to give such a second rate half ass effort going forward. I don't care anymore.
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:34 PM
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I just got hired. I am curious where the NSM meeting will be held.
Thx
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:35 PM
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I just got hired. I am curious where the NSM meeting will be held.
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The Quality Inn, Compton, CA.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:40 PM
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CONFIRMED! This is true, the new sales force will be the Botox sales force moving forward and the long-time Botox reps will first be demoted to Levadex reps then most of them will be let go. RS and NM HATE this team and there goal is to destroy it. They actually used the word destroy at a meeting.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:05 PM
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CONFIRMED! This is true, the new sales force will be the Botox sales force moving forward and the long-time Botox reps will first be demoted to Levadex reps then most of them will be let go. RS and NM HATE this team and there goal is to destroy it. They actually used the word destroy at a meeting.
Really? Name the meeting.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:20 AM
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CONFIRMED! This is true, the new sales force will be the Botox sales force moving forward and the long-time Botox reps will first be demoted to Levadex reps then most of them will be let go. RS and NM HATE this team and there goal is to destroy it. They actually used the word destroy at a meeting.
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As bad as changes and growth plan are being percieved, this is just plain negative propaganda. We run a business not some kind of childish vendetta ghetto shop. This isn't Def Jam or Death Row records. For the love of the man above, grow up and focus your energies on what you can control. Get ahold of yourself or come clean on facts of this meeting you were pervy to.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:24 PM
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As bad as changes and growth plan are being percieved, this is just plain negative propaganda. We run a business not some kind of childish vendetta ghetto shop. This isn't Def Jam or Death Row records. For the love of the man above, grow up and focus your energies on what you can control. Get ahold of yourself or come clean on facts of this meeting you were pervy to.

Yea I'm not sure they said destroy but I heard the longterm plan is to have the new sales force be the Botox reps becuase they do not like the way the old team sells the product and transition the old team into Rx Levadex reps.

That would not shock me at all.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:03 AM
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Whether or not NM and RS said "destroy" their actions have already destoryed our culture and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.

The changes in comp, counterparts, speaker program metrics, no transparancey, radical change in RD and RM behavior, and countless other actions over the past few months have shown their true colors.

Don't know if CM reps losing Botox is true or not, but it would not shock me at all based on RS and NM track record.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:50 PM
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Big picture if true, I think it's a smart move for the organization. Change impacts Growth
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Old 09-14-2012, 07:55 AM
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Big picture if true, I think it's a smart move for the organization. Change impacts Growth
The saying is, "positive change impacts growth". Just change for the sake of change isn't always good, and in this case it is terrible.
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Old 09-14-2012, 03:45 PM
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Big picture if true, I think it's a smart move for the organization. Change impacts Growth
So I guess you're new. Listen we've hit our number every year without counterparts, just you wait and see how little there will be for you do to when you get into the field, you'll regret taking this job and realize how reckless this expansion is. NM and RS are making this change not for the sake of it, but so when we do hit our #, and we will at some point with Botox becasue its a good product, they will point to this change as to what they did hit their # and it was the reason the franchise grew even though it will have nothing to do with it.

Its like when a rep has a bad year with #'s and the RM comes up with a devlopmental plan for that rep the focuses in on something silly like Profesional Selling skills. The rep then turns it around and has a great year the following year and the RM can say to his boss look what I did with this rep when in reality the PSS had nothing to do with it. The rep got a low base line and did the same exact things the following year that they did the previous year but the #'s just in their favor. The RM has to take some kind of credit becasue that is their "job" in the pharmacetical industry. They do not hire RMs that are smart business people that know how to grow business they look for babysitters who do as they're told and follow a script.

We've all been there we know its a joke and this "expansion" is the same thing just higher up on the corporate heirachy but unlike the PSS example this will negatively effect the working conditions and carreer's of 100's of people instead of just being an obnoxious exchange with bored RM.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:43 AM
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CONFIRMED! This is true, the new sales force will be the Botox sales force moving forward and the long-time Botox reps will first be demoted to Levadex reps then most of them will be let go. RS and NM HATE this team and there goal is to destroy it. They actually used the word destroy at a meeting.
Rep hired for this new neuroscience sales force told that they are starting them at 100+ base. This can't be true???
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:28 PM
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Rep hired for this new neuroscience sales force told that they are starting them at 100+ base. This can't be true???
Correct - this can't be true.
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Old 09-20-2012, 07:53 PM
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Salaries will be 100K+ based on experience. I was a candidate......
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:52 PM
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chronic migraine opening in Albany, NY. is this a good territory? what would total comp be? 150-160k? thanks
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:08 PM
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chronic migraine opening in Albany, NY. is this a good territory? what would total comp be? 150-160k? thanks
No it would not be a good job. The territory is HUGE, the manager is kind of new to Management and a real lemming (read bitch), I think this is the third person she has had to replace and the total comp is NOWHERE near 150k. Even if you did really, really well. Plus the whole division is undergoing massive changeover to a whole new style from the top. It's not a good place to be.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:21 PM
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No it would not be a good job. The territory is HUGE, the manager is kind of new to Management and a real lemming (read bitch), I think this is the third person she has had to replace and the total comp is NOWHERE near 150k. Even if you did really, really well. Plus the whole division is undergoing massive changeover to a whole new style from the top. It's not a good place to be.
This job is listed as 160k to 200k right now on Gorilla Med. Is this not true? how can he be advertising the job at that range if its nowhere even close. What is managers name?
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:46 PM
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No not true.
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:53 PM
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This job is listed as 160k to 200k right now on Gorilla Med. Is this not true? how can he be advertising the job at that range if its nowhere even close. What is managers name?
average is 175k
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:16 PM
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average is 175k
I'm checking into this as well. Is 200k realistic here? thanks
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:18 PM
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No it would not be a good job. The territory is HUGE, the manager is kind of new to Management and a real lemming (read bitch), I think this is the third person she has had to replace and the total comp is NOWHERE near 150k. Even if you did really, really well. Plus the whole division is undergoing massive changeover to a whole new style from the top. It's not a good place to be.
this is posted by a bitter ex rep. expect 160 and if you are good maybe 185. definately not the 200k posted on Gorilla med job board though
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:36 AM
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this is posted by a bitter ex rep. expect 160 and if you are good maybe 185. definately not the 200k posted on Gorilla med job board though

LOL!!!!! Are you serious!? Bitter ex-rep?! First there are not many bitter ex-reps, Allergan people usually leave for better jobs so no reason to be bitter. Second, I'm a fustrated but happily empoyed CM rep and I'll tell you you will not get anywhere near 160K. Expect a base around 90K and about 15 to 20K in bonus. 160, LOL!. This is why I'm fustrated our "new managment" will lie straight to your face and this is case and point.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:39 AM
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No it would not be a good job. The territory is HUGE, the manager is kind of new to Management and a real lemming (read bitch), I think this is the third person she has had to replace and the total comp is NOWHERE near 150k. Even if you did really, really well. Plus the whole division is undergoing massive changeover to a whole new style from the top. It's not a good place to be.
Oh and by the way this statement is dead on balls accurate. I don't think the new manager is as bad, but she's easily intimadated and manipulated by her managers so she's very corporate and kind of micro. All of the managers in the Northeast are like this,
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:04 PM
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this is posted by a bitter ex rep. expect 160 and if you are good maybe 185. definately not the 200k posted on Gorilla med job board though
You'll be lucky if you make 100. Why on earth would this pharma neuro position pay 165 when the going rate is 100 at best. Exercise some common sense.
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:45 AM
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You'll be lucky if you make 100. Why on earth would this pharma neuro position pay 165 when the going rate is 100 at best. Exercise some common sense.
somebody is lying here. Yes Gorilla med says 160-200 and when I interviewed mgr said 160 was on low end but probly accurate for 1st yr. then 180-200 year 2. Is this manager lying??
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:34 PM
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somebody is lying here. Yes Gorilla med says 160-200 and when I interviewed mgr said 160 was on low end but probly accurate for 1st yr. then 180-200 year 2. Is this manager lying??
Yes, severely.
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Old 10-13-2012, 02:21 PM
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Oh and by the way this statement is dead on balls accurate. I don't think the new manager is as bad, but she's easily intimadated and manipulated by her managers so she's very corporate and kind of micro. All of the managers in the Northeast are like this,
The manager was looking for subtle signs from you to see if you were buying into the lie. When he said this, did your hair stand up straight? Did your eyes bulge out and dilate? Did your ears turn red? Did your head spin around on your neck? If any of these things happened the manager knows you fell for it.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:26 AM
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maybe they changed comp plan. buddy got offered base of 135 and 175k at plan. This sounds like a good gig, I shouldve went for it
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:17 PM
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You know if this is true it's not the worst thing in the world becasue this expansion will not work, we all know that, there is not enough for CM reps to do let alone NeuroRehab. This entire deployment has been sloppy to say the least. They have nothing, they'll be getting paid 150K plus to put a lot of miles on a car and see 0 to 1 doctor a day and fudge the rest of their calls. When we do not hit our number and the consultants come in they will let go most of the NeuroRehab people becasue of their high salaries and they won't be owed much severance, CD and ULS will never grow at 20%, nor will they be fully vested in their 401K plan. It will be the obvious choice and Nate and Robin will have little say in it. Obviously they would love to lay off the entire CM team but since we're cheaper, will be selling the companies biggest growth indication for Botox, and we'll have two products. Why keep a sales force that make substantially more money for such a small indication that will not grow much over the next few years.
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