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  #1  
Old 07-02-2013, 07:24 PM
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Rant New ICD / CRT-D selling points

1. Less skin pressure.
Does anyone care?
2. Increased longevity
Good. MDT needed this badly, but still 1.0 battery, so smallest in the industry
3. Physio shape
Wow. Right sided implant = upside down device
4. CRT opt
They will try to squeeze longevity from this device, but it won't work

Discuss.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:07 PM
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Obviously your an idiot, 1 amp/2amp bullshit has been going on since prism. It's how the device uses energy, Inappropriate shocks, egm storage, etc. the adaptive BIV/LV optimizes every minute, this adjusts av delays and vv delays. You dullards at BSX do an opt in the office, and think the patient is optimized. The minute that patient moves everything changes. This is the only device that can change on the fly every minute with activity. 522 patients had and absolute improvement of 12 percent over traditional CRT. Game over you lose. And the size/shape just takes that argument away from you. I would be very afraid.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:27 PM
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Good to see you two dickwads are back from vacation.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:52 PM
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Good to see you two dickwads are back from vacation.
Agreed. However the mdt rep is HILLARIOUS. Prism didn't have a 2 amp hour battery. Total ass clown. 1 vs 2 dumbass. Simple math.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:42 AM
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Quad bitches. Both you your companies are behind.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:08 PM
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You don't need quad if you are a good implanter. Heart rhythm society journal December 2009 showed a battery study that amp hour capacity had no influence on longevity. MDT still lasted longer than BSX. The new device from MDT will kill BSX share. You can't stop this train.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: New ICD / CRT-D selling points

Medtronic gaining lots of cases already on new shape. Will gain more on improved longevity and even more on aCRT.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:01 AM
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Medtronic gaining lots of cases already on new shape. Will gain more on improved longevity and even more on aCRT.
Sorry, game over for Medtronic. Ask Greg.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:26 AM
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You don't need quad if you are a good implanter. Heart rhythm society journal December 2009 showed a battery study that amp hour capacity had no influence on longevity. MDT still lasted longer than BSX. The new device from MDT will kill BSX share. You can't stop this train.
What a moron. Those studies had no 2 amp hour batteres in them idiot. BSC releasd their first 2 amp hour battery w cognis/teligen. You are showing your inexperience and ignorance. This whole mdt efficiency campaign is laughable. The first mdt warranty replacement will be 2 years from now at the longest! Mdt still makes the worst product on the market. So the question is which will last longer the "new" 1 amp home battery or the splice in the df4 lead. Can you guys get 1 fn lead right????
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:18 AM
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Your an idiot, no where in the 2009 study did battery capacity have any effect on longevity. There were 1.0 amp- 1.5 amp batteries in the study. No differences were seen, from 1.0 -1.5, which tells us 1.5-2.0 will not either. The charging effeciency will impact longevity more then battery size you dolt. The equation E.sub.c=e.sub.c*V.sub.c*I.sub.b*t.sub.c shows its how the energy is sent to the capacitor and how effecient that energy is used in the device. So trying to be overly simplistic saying "oh 2 is greater 1" leaves out a lot of other factors. Learn the the charging circuit before you go off half cocked. BSX in 5 studies done by outside sources has never lived up to its longevity projections. Cognis/Telegen will be no different. I replaced a 3yr old cognis at ERI with no shocks, 50%pacing and normal thresholds. BSX is in third place in market share due to 2005/2006 issues and no one trusts your projections. You've got trouble coming in MDT device and the docs love the technology and size/shape. I would get your resume ready.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:40 PM
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Pompous douche. Wait until Medtronic DF4 starts crumbling. Concertos don't last 5 years. Nothing has changed to the new device.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:19 AM
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Pompous douche. Wait until Medtronic DF4 starts crumbling. Concertos don't last 5 years. Nothing has changed to the new device.
In the last 10 years which MDT BIV icd lasted on average above 5 yrs? From your PPR data the answer to this is zero. In fact it seems that it is the very rare patient who gets 4 yrs from an mdt BIV icd. You still have the thickest device with the smallest battery and your shape I'm sorry to say is just a pale imitation of the ellipse which was a bad imitation of the Cognis. You have the only lead without medical adhesive backfilling and you have already had a published failure of your DF 4 lead. I think perhaps it is time for u to o the way of Cordis and simply give up.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:55 AM
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Why give up when your the market leader? No matter what is said MDT is still number 1. Deal with it losers.
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:52 AM
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Your an idiot, no where in the 2009 study did battery capacity have any effect on longevity. There were 1.0 amp- 1.5 amp batteries in the study. No differences were seen, from 1.0 -1.5, which tells us 1.5-2.0 will not either. The charging effeciency will impact longevity more then battery size you dolt. The equation E.sub.c=e.sub.c*V.sub.c*I.sub.b*t.sub.c shows its how the energy is sent to the capacitor and how effecient that energy is used in the device. So trying to be overly simplistic saying "oh 2 is greater 1" leaves out a lot of other factors. Learn the the charging circuit before you go off half cocked. BSX in 5 studies done by outside sources has never lived up to its longevity projections. Cognis/Telegen will be no different. I replaced a 3yr old cognis at ERI with no shocks, 50%pacing and normal thresholds. BSX is in third place in market share due to 2005/2006 issues and no one trusts your projections. You've got trouble coming in MDT device and the docs love the technology and size/shape. I would get your resume ready.
A wise old friend told me once "son you can't fix stupid". He was talking about you. Your rant is so far off base I don't even need to reply to it. Everyone here had a good laugh when they read it. After all that's all cp is anyway... Entertainment. It's very simple stupid. Devices implanted since 8/08 BSC doubles mdt longevity for crtd and dual icd's. it's not quite double for single but very close. Why? 2 vs 1. You seriously can't be this stupid.....
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:25 PM
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That's hilarious, did you flunk math if you look at implants since 8/08 it's not even been five years. It won't be five until 8/13, and no where in the literature or PPR does it show that. BSX only works off of returned product and I know there are numerous BSX devices sitting on shelves at ERI. I will believe your story when it's proven in a non subsidized study in Pace or NEJM or JACC, but that will never happen. You guys always step on your dicks with studies trying to prove this or that. Like the minute ventilation study that failed to show a benefit over accelerometer. Does "Dusolog" study ring a bell? Or your study that you tried to prove how you minimize pacing like MVP. The only problem was the only way you were able to minimize pacing was drop the lower rate. Nice answer, how about coming up with something novel? Even St.Jude came up with quad pole!!! You guys have nothing original, even your defib lead is still integrated bipolar. That's so 1995, and you sell your battery as the game changer. It might last longer then your previous devices but it still sucks in discrimination. MADIT RIT exposed you just let the patient be in an arrhythmia for as long as you can so your stupid device won't treat inappropriately. Great device, it should be called "MayPop" you will be in the arrhythmia so long it might pop it might not. It's perfect for you though, "Stupid device for a stupid salesforce". Everyone knows about battery issues in Concerto, Consulta family of devices, but the batteries you all say is the same is not true. The new device is SVO/ Carbon Monofluride which is different from Concerto family of devices. There is not a chance in hell that BSX BIV will go eight years or even 7 years. Who cares anyway if its a year here or there.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:46 PM
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That's hilarious, did you flunk math if you look at implants since 8/08 it's not even been five years. It won't be five until 8/13, and no where in the literature or PPR does it show that. BSX only works off of returned product and I know there are numerous BSX devices sitting on shelves at ERI. I will believe your story when it's proven in a non subsidized study in Pace or NEJM or JACC, but that will never happen. You guys always step on your dicks with studies trying to prove this or that. Like the minute ventilation study that failed to show a benefit over accelerometer. Does "Dusolog" study ring a bell? Or your study that you tried to prove how you minimize pacing like MVP. The only problem was the only way you were able to minimize pacing was drop the lower rate. Nice answer, how about coming up with something novel? Even St.Jude came up with quad pole!!! You guys have nothing original, even your defib lead is still integrated bipolar. That's so 1995, and you sell your battery as the game changer. It might last longer then your previous devices but it still sucks in discrimination. MADIT RIT exposed you just let the patient be in an arrhythmia for as long as you can so your stupid device won't treat inappropriately. Great device, it should be called "MayPop" you will be in the arrhythmia so long it might pop it might not. It's perfect for you though, "Stupid device for a stupid salesforce". Everyone knows about battery issues in Concerto, Consulta family of devices, but the batteries you all say is the same is not true. The new device is SVO/ Carbon Monofluride which is different from Concerto family of devices. There is not a chance in hell that BSX BIV will go eight years or even 7 years. Who cares anyway if its a year here or there.
Man no one wants to read a book on here. Listen db read the mv study closely. Mv did show value in pts w SSS. It didn't show benefit w chb pts.... Duh! You just don't get it. The rest of your message is so stupid I won't comment on it. You are so misguided and ignorant. Please stop wasting our time with your stupid rants. Btw you should spend this time wasted on cp helping your dunbass engineers make a tachy lead that doesn't disintegrate.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:46 PM
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The previous poster is right, you'll never win selling a battery on a device with poor discrimination
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:13 PM
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Put yourself in bsx shoes.. what else can they sell ?

let them focus on battery .. they spent time making a better battery after having 35 recalls and being shut down by the fda and fines for selling defective products.

Boston is known for the 2nd worse investment blunder since time warner in the history of business. They even teach this example in harvard bis school.

we have seen major electrical pull from bsx wireless / defective headers / and the worse freaking software to detect lead issues.

worse can to connect to a stj-bsx-mdt-ela-bio lead in the world.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:57 AM
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True Dat. The other companies have taken the device size/shape away.
The battery by bsx is yet to be proven. Other posters are right, bsx has major headwinds on the horizon
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:45 PM
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Boston has the thinnist device on the market, how can skin pressure affect them ?
if you insert a flat object in a location is not flat you will have pressure points.

go and sell patio furniture if you don't get it.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:50 PM
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Medtronic's competitive position compared to Boston just got a lot better and will gain business from them. The shape advantage just swung from Boston to Medtronic. The longevity / warranty issue just got neutralized. The biggest advantage though is AdaptivCRT which can offer LV only pacing and has been shown to increase response rates. Doctora are loving this new feature.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:17 PM
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so why bother telling us how great this is. Get out there and tell your customers you loser!
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