COVIDIEN-NEW VENTILATOR

What's the scoop on the new area VP and her boss in the southeast resp division?

 

Only upside of the 980 very talented people working on v2.0 that should help turn the ship in the right direction and bring clinically relevant features to the market.

Shame the admins are bowing to corp pressure and removing what, 20 truthful posts.

 

My sales rep couldn't even get through a simple demo without the 980 crapping out badly - guess the poor quality claims are bearing out...

 

Anyone else notice the scary similarities between the Pb840 and now maybe the Pb980 (based on earlier psts, some removed) and the GM recall ignition debacle that resulted in 13 deaths?

Both companies knew about issues for long time (840 in this case), didnt act in customers best interests, chose to do nothing based on costs and did not want to shift resources from other projects to fix the problem?

Only difference is Covidien leadership isnt in front of a senate committee and with the Gm situation you could try to avoid an accident. Patient on a ventilator personifies the definition of helpless.

 

Interesting analogy. Fun to watch Senator McCaskill grill a few Covidien execs when she gets done with GM if those deltd posts prove true.Doesnt bode well for our industry if they are nd that is how our leadrs really operate.

Hearing crickets which must mean 980 isnt going as swimmingly as predicted at NSTM. Maybe 2nd time with 2.0 will be the charm, assuming the brand can come back from the beating its taken for what 7 years?

 

Which are the magic 2.0 features that's worth waiting a few more years for?

 

By the time v2.0 releases maquet draeger and hamilton will have their new platforms out with comparable features to the PB980 v2.0.

 

The gang at surgical in boulder has been hearing about the 980 for years, its the second coming, it will solve world hunger, fix global warming etc. Now that its out, v unimpressed with the utter lack of noise and quality of the launch. As a stockholder im pissed and hearing bad things from the field. WTF has RMS been doing the last 5 years?

 

You should be pissed. The 980 is all hype and fatally flawed on every level. Management spent more time getting the cowed and beaten org to fabricate tests that were always designed to pass,to hide systemic failures, and provide the illusion of due diligence in testing, verifying and validating the design. The design engineers never got a chance to run full regression testing on a production unit and that's a fact.

 

Yeah I heard that and am dealing with some guilt for not speaking up. Have you made "the call"? I "may" have. Come across many ex-RMS ppeople lately that seem to be suffering from PTSD. V. shitty work environment.

 

Has anybody seen it on a patient yet????

 

Read this about a month ago and it was at least three pages, looks like PB influenced cafepharma to remove several posts. Wish I could go back and read some of that stuff it was pretty interesting and sounded legit.

 

You mean the 53 cent part compared to 53 lines of code to fix the 840 recall issue? Let's not forget the host of other issues that were never reported or acted upon. The V n V for the fix took months, all cost, no incremental revenue and would have derailed 980 work so of course leadership decided to not act in the best interests of its customers or their patients.

Value committees are a PITA, takes 6-12 months to get them in the door. Lack of clin data is a huge hindrance. So much for following your 980 med affairs plan JW. What an asshat.

 

Reminds an ol man bout their anesthesia division:

After a series of lawsuits in 1983/84, and an investigation by the U.S. Congress, the Foregger Division of Puritan-Bennett was dissolved in May 1984. For further details see Anesthesia Machine Failures: Hearing before the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, House of Representatives, 98th Congress, 2nd session, September 26, 1984. Serial No. 98-188, Washington: U.S. G.P.O., 1985, pp.264

When will they ever learn?

 

Accident-prone company! Terrible things also happened at NY hospital back in the 90ies.

In 1993, a faulty respirator supplying oxygen to an elderly woman exploded killing her and two other patients.Investigators said that an electrical fault in the machine had caused it to ignite. The fire created a blast fed by pure oxygen, which sent a fireball through a seventh-floor window. Fire officials said that two patients were burned to death, and a third patient across the hall, died of smoke inhalation.The faulty respirator was manufactured by Puritan Bennett. Barry M. Spero, the hospital's president at the time, said that biomedical engineers routinely checked the equipment according to specifications by the manufacturer. He referred to the incident as, "truly a catastrophic disaster." (Source Wikipedia & NY times)

Be careful out there!

 

Roflmao JW, dropping price already? How is that user interface at the sacrifice of clinical benefit strategy working out for you? Great call.

980 promo starts in may, lasts 3 months. What are you offering, 2 for 1? BOGO? Doesn't matter, all your margins r in software upgrades and accessory upsells and xsells. Once you get it in the door, think you'll have the customer over the barrel? Might want to revisit that strategy too.

 

I think it was 57 cents.

Cov did 980 for European RoHS compliance. Company wouldnt be able to sell 840 in EU. Plus 840 component suppliers didn't want to keep making parts, low volumes, low margins and more profitable projects elsewhere.

Get down to brass tacks, 980 v1 isn't too diff than 840 regardless how company positions it.

+1 on JW.

 

We were set to trial this for a couple weeks and are now being rescheduled for more than a month because of a software fix. It seems like they are hesitant to place it on a patient at this time. My gut tells me its not ready for prime time.

 

Laughable and company deserves every bad thing that happens to it.

Still wondering why 980 was under review for 8 months instead of taking the MDUFMA 90 day statutory period?

Let me get this straight, its ok to test a beta 980 (prior to animal testing) on couple patients in 3rd world country but not ok to use 510k approved 980 on patients in US?

Execs need to reread the code of conduct, business ethics guide and rethink why they are in this business. No product timeline is worth the potential risk of injuring patients, regardless where they live and the respective regulatory environment.

+3 on JW. Why he's still around is a mystery.

 

What's up with ur sr leaders? Are they member of PETA? Value animals over human lives?

All the threads, some now gone, show Covidien personifies everything that's wrong in the industry.