NOVARTIS PENSIONERS TREATED BADLY

Discussion in 'Canadian Reps' started by 25% behind, May 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM.

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  1. News item: Mike Duffy (the pig) will be formally charged by RCMP. You know the story. He is a huge PIG who ate through hundreds of thousands of our dollars, gained all that weight and even had a woman that must have charged him (our money) for going through ...., you can imagine the sceme. On the other hand don't.
    Moral of this story; we have laws* in this country to fight criminals like him and your Co. but a lot has to happen before our authoriy move their sorry ass. The key is public exposure first, then they have no choice but to investigate the crook. Thus the charge in the end.
    Another alternative is that someone with evidence provides that evidence to the RCMP, with a threat they would expose it to public if nothing is done. Then they may, as in first scenario, act the way they must under our laws.
    In case of your crooked Co. nothing happened so far, that would induce or force the RCMP to act. No public exposure (only in USA) in Canada. No evidence submitted to them by "loyal" employees or pensioners. And worse, we have a neo-con, ultra-righ wing (close to fascist) govt that is absolutely bent to protect the corporatism system, at any cost. That means they themselves would never "hurt" any corporations, regardless how much they defrauded and otherwise fucked the population and society, UNLESS there is absolutely no alternative. That alternative can be had only if someOne exposes them to the public (say headline "NOVARTIS DEFRAUDS OUR HEALTH CARE TO THE TUNE OF HALF BILLION") or PROVIDES the EVIDENCE to the authority, with threat the evidence would be given to media, or simply given to media for simultaneous public exposure.
    As result, the crooked co is investigated and eventually charged, just like that other fat pig, Mike. But as we have seen so far, no one is willing or brave to do it, so this pharmafat pig continues to gorge on public money far beyond what they deserve. And we all pay for it, while you the poor abused pensioners continue to hope for that "appointment" with his majesti, Novartis CEO, so he may agree to throw you few chicken bones, every 20 years or so. How pathetic.
    * if we had our version of False Claim Act, which neo-cons would NEVER approve, cos like yours and thousands others would have paid for their crimes by now and in the future.
     

  2. Anonymous

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    Did you know there was another of those meetings Novartis pensioners have on regular basis. You read about their main concern, having their measly pensions brought up to inflation rate if nothing else. Do you think they had that meeting with his majesty the CEO whoever he or she is this year? We don't know yet, but are willing to bet our lives they did not have it, as usually. If they were given (fake ) appointment it was cancelled few days before it took place. As usually for the last 10 plus years. Can anyone fucking believe this behaviour by the company claiming to be one of the most ethical and decent co part of community they work in? Yes you coud not make this up and tell it, for no one would believe you. Yet it happens every year as the pensioners who gave their working lives to this Co, made her what it is today, lied, cheated, broke laws under orders to make it more and more richer, yet they are treated like garbage. This as they are dying off.
    Will there ever be justice for them? Yes there will be for there is a huge body of evidence of this co's criminal behaviour that will be made public and provided to proper authority in good time.
    Those holding this irrefutable evidence could forgive them and "forget" about their sins, should they do something about the issues retirees are craving to have resolved. This and make them retroactive 10 years, you will be off the hook. It'll be left to someone else to bring you down as you continue to do your illegal and unethical practices.
    That bringing you down is still uncertain, but the one by pensioners is CERTAIN if you don't do the right thing. This ain't no idle promise.
    This is the last "request".
     
  3. Let them have some time to do (or not) the right thing. If they don's here is my promise and pledge, oath and word of honour: I will do it once sure they are not doing anything but think no one in this country, world or universe can do anything against them. We'll see who is right and who is wrong. Even in this country and what passes for democracy things like what they have done and still do are not acceptable. If not for other reason that other bastards like these are not able to get away with such crimes. They all do it, but what this co and this industry is doing in terms of stealing, robbing, cheating, lying, hurting and otherwise fucking anyone and everyone, will simply not stand. If they think it will, well we'll see. If they think this pledge will not be acted upon, we'll see.
    The "secret" will not be taken to, what Italians call "last house". That is the essence of this pledge, oath and word of honour.
     
  4. Many of you must be wondering if the "one with the goods" really has those goods on the illegal, immoral, unethical and frankly criminal practices of this company? Perhaps you, yourselves witnessed that crime, even participated in it but never thought of saving, collecting and filing the evidence/the goods for an unlikely event you may need it at some point in the future.
    Well the wait is over and soon you'll see some of the examples of the evidence/goods published right here, on CP Canadian edition as a first step in the final solution of this issue.
    Stay tuned.
     
  5. This one has to do with illegal, offlabel promotion of Diovan, using promo material not approved or approvable by PAAB (agency that overlooks legality of bigpharma promo of their drugs), for it dealt with unapproved/illegal indications for this drug;
    E-mail from MARKETING:

    "Subject: important reminder!!!
    Hi everyone,
    This is a reminder for the recall of Cycle 3 2001 Diovan detail aid.If you haven't sent back your CYCLE 3 2001 Diovan detail aid to my attantion at Head Office, please do so ASAP. This recall is ONLY for the Cycle 3 2001 detail aid with the TRAINING PAGES ON KIDNEY AND HEART PROTECTION. You can keep all other material given at cycle 3 including ARB comparative chart.
    If you had already DESTROYED the cycle 3 detal aid and FORGOT TO TELL ME at this point, you need to do so. If you have lost is or forgot it in physician's office, I NEED TO KNOW.
    We are keeping record of this Cysle 3 2001 detal aid recall to AVOID PROBLEMS WITH PAAB.

    Best regards,

    A...."

    For those of you who worked in the biz, this tells you all. This Co is involved in illegal promotion of a major drug, by using illegal, unapproved promotional material, thus violating HPB regulations and Federal laws governing the promotion of pharmaceuticals in Canada. In USA Novartis was found guilty for the very same crime and fined $430.000.000.00 as result. Look it up at "Taxpayers against fraud".
    This because they have their famous and effective law to fight such crooks, called False Claim Act. Here they get away with proverbial murder and thus they are awashed in blood money. But you don't get any of it even though many of you did the very crime for them, under orders of course.
    Off-lable promotion is the mother of illegal, criminal, immoral, unetical big-pharma behaviour. Of course there is more, much, much, much, much, much, muc....more.
     
  6. Where it is?

    Where it is? Guest

    Am I missing something, or someone removed the Goods #2, where the names of doctors taking bribes were listed. The names were not complete but location of their offices were listed, thus anyone interested to find out who they are, could easily put two and two together.
    I knew this incident of big time bribery. In fact was in the board room of Novartis when this was discussed and decision made to go ahead.
    The bribery called for bribes (in form of "grants") of up to $25.000 to important specialists who would prescribe Diovan to their patients to the tune of 3-5 times of "grant" they took.
    Those docs listed were all the top of the top and each and every one took $25.000 in bribes.
    Of course this is covered up by the co but evidence exists out there and could be eventually submitted to authority.
    ps: is it possible someone (from this co for sure) requested that information be removed? Does anyone know? Nothing surprises this writer.
     
  7. anonymous

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    If this Co is spending so much on bribery, no wonder you poor bastards, pensioners will get nothing but bare minimum till you die. Yin see this is the event Novartis is waiting for, die you ........ The only thing they are forgetting one fact, they will be next. What a low life Co and life forms that run it. Who ever has the evidence, please do them in. They deserve it big time.
     
  8. anonymous

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  9. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Things have not changed yet. This poor group of Novartis pensioners is still being lied to and BSed by the management. After over 10 years, they still did not get that "appointment" with the boss in Dorval to discuss some issues re pensions. As every year, this year the appointment they thought they had, was cancelled in good time before it was to take place.
    So these low life bastards did it again with no regret or guilt. No wonder, for these people (if one can call them people) are such low lives, that they are no different than any criminals presently in jails around the world,. Except these corporate types do not go to jail, for this is the way it is in so called "free" market economy. Yes they are free to fuck everyone in the name of "job-creation" and making profits for themselves.
    When the current CEO Timothy Maloney was asked about long overdue pensions adjustment he said it would present "more of a challenge" and "regrettably not presently feasible".
    Can you fucking believe this low life? This at the time that the company is making billions (at least half of that by using criminal practices, like bribes, off label promo etc etc) by looting health care systems around the world.
    What can anyone add to this? Simply disgusting and the worse part is that they continue to BS the world how wonderful and socially responsible they are. Well this will change eventually and they should remeber that those they abused have long memories.
     
  10. F*&&^%$Basel

    F*&&^%$Basel Guest

    Further to this comment: We have news for you, it's been 8 years now, since the first meeting with then A hole CEO was arranged, then called off days before it was supposed to take place. Every year since they do the same thing; give the date for meeting, cancel it before it takes place. This is the game they play with these poor pensioners who are trying desperately to have a meeting and state their case for justice and fair play. Not a chance. The fuckers in charge simply know they can do whatever they want in this country where numerous criminals are hiding and doing business with impunity, just as this fucking company that claims to be ethical, honest, sociably responsible and all that shit. But in reality they are bigpharmafia member.
    The pathetic meeting pensioners have every year just took place and the results are the same. The meeting with Ass Hole CEO was cancelled and they are waiting for new one with another new Ass Hole CEO, who will plunder, loot, cheat, steal...from Canadian people ,via dedicated employees like the pensioners who under orders from various ass hole CEOs and lower fuckers, stole, cheated, defrauded .....for the "good" of this fucking company and never got paid what they deserved.
    However, one day this will change. It always does, for once the critical mass of suffering victims is reached, something happens.
    Can you say; French revolution. Yes this is what will happen sooner or latter, new age French revolution and then where are these fuckers going to hide? No where to hide, for due to globalization the revolution will be global and all the people will be after such fuckers, everywhere.
    One wonders if the champions of revolutions, the French will reactivate their famous guillotines.
    Yes, you fuckers that now think you are invincible, you may be facing the guillotines everywhere, even in this docile country that you rape on the daily basis, called Canada..
    Let's put an end to this farce and rise up , while these decent pensioners are still around, thus they can see the vendetta done in the name of justice for all.
     
  11. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Six years late they are still waiting for that appointment with one o f the lying bastards from Dorval. If you are around in six more years, it'll be the same. And they call themselves "ethical". Bigpharmafia is as "good" as Sicilian mafia, Columbia mafia, Russian mafia, Chinese...etc. You do nothing about it? What does that make you?
     
  12. anonymous

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    "YOU BASTARDS, I AM STILL HERE".If you don't know, these are the immortal words of Steve McQueen's character in that fabulous movie The Papillon, he shouted as he was leaving that hellhole of French Guyana and into the freedom.
    What does that have to do with you, the long abuses and tortured Novartis pensioners? Plenty. You have been denied any, let alone decent adjustment of your hard earned pension (you lied for them, you stole for them, you BSed the doctors for them, you bribed doctors and anyone else who counted for them and so on and so on) while they paid you just minimum what they had to pay you, while you made the company and her elite "bastards" rich beyond impossibility. Yet they ignore you and simply are waiting for you to die and release them from obligations and any witnesses of their crimes.
    If you can't force them to do something for you and are not willing to come forward with your evidence of their crimes, what else can you do to improve your lot and punish them to some degree? Well, you remember the one; "living well is the best revenge"?
    In your case/version this is what that good adage can be changed to: LIVING WELL AND LOOOOONG IS THE BEST REVENGE. So what we are asking you is the following; look after yourselves the best you can and beyond. Your health must be the best you can have it, thus will take you to a longest life possible. Ask your brain to please take you to the max, even name years, like 99 or 105 or modest 88 years of age, whatever is the longest you want to be around and draw their lousy pension.
    This way you may even outlive any of those fucking bastards that are treating you so badly, while in all their public releases they brag how wonderful and superb company they are. Rubbish. Yes that is the mildest printable word that describes their reality, folks.
    Live LOOOOOONG and prosper and outlive most of them.
    Yes, YOU FOUCKING BASTARDS WE ARE STILL HERE AND WILL OUTLIVE MOST OF YOU FOUCKERS & PISS ON YOUR GRAVES...
     
  13. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Have you heard the latest news from pensioners' meeting? Yes, no change at all. Thye are still waiting for the asshole CEO to honor his appointment with them. This after an entire decade of waiting and listening to their lies and fabrications.How can those fuckers look into the mirror everyday? Not to worry,. they are all sociopaths and psychopaths sop that is not a problem for them. One day, they too will..
     
  14. Recent meeting in Oct. 2017: same BS. They had the appointment cancelled and are working on booking another on, with the new AH CEO. Apparently some poor bastard, pensioner wrote a letter to the new CEO (the one who cancelled the appt). bagging for "more" as it was done by Oliver Twist in that horrific Novartis tale everyone knows. Did you read the letter or part of it? Well in answering it the CEO of this multi billion company, that has looted all health care systems around the world to the tune of untold billions, using both legal and illegal means, is crying poor but understanding of the plight of poor pensioners. She (I think it is she and heartless one at that) claims that the pension fund is inadequate and she hopes that one day this "poor" pharmamafia company will be able to give some more. At least to those who survive the next 100 years of this poor period the Co is going through.Yes it is that damn pension fund that can not be made adequate by this super rich and super rootless co..Mind you, even an unborn monkey would figure it out why the fund is inadequate. Simple, this evil Co is simply keeping it inadequate on purpose. Thus they can not afford to throw another chicken bone to you. DELAY, DENY AND HOPE YOU ALL DIE. That is their motto. So keep on begging, it is simply futile. You'd be far better off releasing all that evidence you have of their criminal behavior to press, federal police and everyone who cares to listen. At least you'd die vindicated and happy. I know what I will do.
     
  15. anonymous

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  16. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    After 10 years of lying to poor old pensioners, they still lie today, tomorrow and who knows how many years from now. But last year the president, some female dog by the name Janice something, sent a letter to the poor pensioners saying, among other fabrications/lies, that " ad-hoc increases are not feasible in today's environment". Yes Novartis is looting the world to the tune of billions upon billions, manipulating health care system, be they private or public, lying to everyone about their products, paying off, bribing,,,doctors or anyone who can help them in this plunder of the world's poor and sick, buying and selling "assets" so both parties can make even more loot and so on and so on, but it is not the "environment" for you poor bastards to get one or two chicken bones to help you survive in the very same environment. Yes, if this environment does not justify which one will. She did not bark that one but just told you STFU and leave us alone to gorge on the pain and blood of world's population..
    Then you think; is this the same company I gave my best years and effort along with doing many criminal, unethical, immoral etc things they ordered you to do to help loot that environment when you were young and strong.
    DELAY, DENY AND HOPE YOU DIE. that is the message from this female dog (no offence to bitches) who did far worse things than you, to make it to this level of this modern age mafia, that the real mafia has nothing on them.
    ps: to those who are in possession of evidence of their numerous "misconducts" ( as they termed it but it is in reality,criminal conduct), do the right thing; expose them for you owe them nothing at all.
     
  17. anonymous

    anonymous Guest

    Latest news: Nothing has changed in the lying ways of this company. Latest president a female by the name Janice Murray, told the pensioners to "eat cake". She said that the company making billions looting all health care system around the world (they are not picky in looting both private and public ones) can not "afford" any increase in pensions now almost 20 years without any adjustments.
    The way the CEOs are avoiding confrontation was already reported; make an appointment, lie about having to cancel it and make another. But now they don't even bother humoring the poor bastards by making appointments to cancel, they simply refuse to even make one or anything that can result in contact with the pensioners.
    How pathetic is this? A supposedly noble and venerable company originating from one of the best countries in the world, Switzerland, behaves like a low life entity from sewers of Bogota.
    At the latest meeting , the poor pensioners did what they do every year. Just talk useless issues and look at one another as they age and approach what company is hoping for will happen soon; their deaths.
    Sadly, many of these pensioners had all kinds of evidence about the criminal behavior of their affiliate but did nothing about it, as they were so dedicated and loyal to this predatory company in every way.
    They simply withheld it so not to "hurt" this monstrosity that abused them in so many ways, including ordering them to do criminal, immoral, unethical....things as they built up the company for their masters,
    Will they pay the price one day? So far does not look like it would happen soon, but in the end every criminal gets its timeserving punishment in some ways in the end. If it does happen, it could not happen to the worse of the worse criminals.