Obama and the New Party

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  1. Step 1:

    See New Party:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_(United_States)

    Excerpt so the libruhls don't have to read too much:

    The party could best be described as social democratic in orientation, although party statements almost invariably used the terms "small-d democratic" or "progressive" instead. Its founders chose the name "New Party" in an effort to strike a fresh tone, free of associations with dogmas and ideological debates.

    In otherwords, this was a political party that promoted socialism.

    Step 2:

    Now go here:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz#

    Key excerpt:

    Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:

    Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.

    Yes Virginia, Pres. Foodstamps is a socialist.
     
  2. Lets for a minute say that what you're saying is true, (even though Nat Review hires white supremacists to pen articles on racial superiority) should be we all hold Romney to his views from 1996?

    yes or no?
     
  3. Yes, if he demonstrates tendencies / policies that are in line with those views from back then.
     

  4. Then list his socialist policies.

    GO!
     
  5. jasmin

    jasmin Guest

    The term has so many associations and has been used to describe so many divergent political and economic approaches that the only meaning sure to garner consensus is an assertive statism applied in the larger cause of “equality,” usually through redistributive economic policies that involve a bias toward taking an intrusive and domineering role in the workings of the private sector. One might also apply another yardstick: an ambivalence, even antipathy, for democracy when democracy proves inconvenient.1 With this understanding as a vague guideline, the answer is certainly, Yes, Obama’s agenda is socialist in a broad sense. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/what-kind-of-socialist-is-barack-obama/

    Wealth distribution
    Obamacare and further government takeover of healthcare
    Nationalization and government ownership of GM
    Wage controls on bank workers
    Establishing federal government as sole source of student loans
    Government run and driven economy
    Collectivism
    Social justice
    Increasing progressive taxation
    Fairness defined not as equal opportunity but equal benefit regardless of work
     


  6. I guess this is yet another example of you FAILING to provide a list of the presidents POLICIES you find objectionable. A bullshit list of platitudes, opinions, and bumper sticker Fox News slogans doesn't cut it.

    The only thing remotely resembling a policy is "Obamacare". Sorry, but it is designed after the Romney's plan, which was designed by the conservative Heritage Foundation. It only became evil incarnate and an affront to American values when it was passed by the black guy.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/20...e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

    FAIL!

    ANd the rest of that list?

    Wealth redistribution?---WHAT policy? Specifics.

    Nationalization of GM-- Govt loan doesn't offer the running of that operation. And besides, didnt Mitt say it was HIS idea? FAIL!

    Wage controls on bank workers?-- SPECIFICS...when did Obama propose controls on what a teller at Bank of America makes?....

    Federal Gvt as sole source of student loans---LIAR

    Govt run and driven economy--- WTF does that mean? Policy specifics please...


    Collectivism---too damn stupid for words...even for you. FAIL!


    Social justice---WHAT?? Are you saying we SHOULDNT have that as an ideal? Well, someone alert the Founding Fathers then. FAIL!


    Increasing progressive taxation--- point to policy specifics.....where is it?


    Fairness--more drivel in your FAILED attempt. When did Obama demand benefit regardless of effort?



    Seriously, are you having that difficult of a time coming up with substantive policy disagreements on the sitting President? And you are puzzled why anyone would EVER think or imply a racial aspect motivates the likes of you.
     
  7. jasmin

    jasmin Guest

    No, this is yet another example of your question being answered, you not liking the answer, so attempting to make it into a personal attack.

    Are all socialists of one race? Than how can being anti-socialist and supporting an eat what you earn approach be racist?

    Of course every objection to owebama is racist in your teeny weeny brain. I think you are a young black man who thinks the world is out to get him. So very sad.
     
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    I think you are a young black man who thinks the world is out to get him. So telling of U SpN. Your colors R coming into focus.
     

  9. Well then, if I am wrong, point to a specific POLICY from your list advanced by Obama other than "Obamacare". You should be able to point to a signed bill or an ATTEMPT to get a bill signed describing what you outlined.


    I'll wait.........
     
  10. jasmin

    jasmin Guest

    I've answered the question and you sticking your head in the sand and ignoring owebama's socialist views do not change them. The simple fact is you are a blind follower who will never, ever criticize anything owebama does simply and only because of the color of his skin. You have made that abundantly clear.
     

  11. Phoebe; are YOU kidding me? You never bothered to "turn the deaf ear" to those on YOUR side when the criticisms and taunts were based on race. I'm not going to bother to list them here. You only reserve your "outrage" to those pointing it out.

    Selective outrage FAIL!
     

  12. You've answered nothing. Policy criticism looks like THIS:

    Clinton:

    Signed NAFTA
    Signed Gramm Leach Bill eliminating Glass-Steagall

    Bush:

    Tax cuts producing large deficits
    Medicare Part D not paid for nor allowing the Fed to negotiate lower prices from Pharma.
    War of choice costly lots of lives and treasure


    You see how simple that was? They ALL can be tied to a particular POLICY advocated and/or signed.


    But unlike you, your list of shrill outrages have NO policies tied behind them. Those are EMOTIONAL CONCLUSIONS based on absolutely NOTHING that supports them. Come back with a list based on substance, and I will reconsider the reasons for MY conclusion as to your motivations. Until then.....

    FAIL!
     
  13. jasmin

    jasmin Guest

    So because owebama has not been successful implementing his spread the wealth, tax the evil rich policies, has only been able to voice divisiveness and the us against them mindset, than he isn't a socialist? Okey dokey then.

    Your hero has admitted all of his 'winning' bs was absolutely delusional. Your nonsense, juvenile 'fail' is just the same.
     

  14. You can easily point to programs he championed but may or not have been passed.

    GO!

    And you wonder why that conclusion is reached. For someone so objectionable to you allegedly based on policy differences, you should be able to pin point those policies with such precision, you would get tired of typing. However, at EVERY turn, you FAIL to provide ANYTHING that has not been championed at some point by those on your side of the political aisle.

    So, I stand by my conclusion until you do.

    In the meantime, let me point out the DIVISIVENESS in politics..

    poor people not pulling their weight
    The unemployed getting "something for nothing"
    Latino's being illegal and taking away jobs.
    Homosexuals infringing on "your rights"
    Greedy union members
    Teachers and other public sector workers
    Muslims
    Questioning citizens patriotism for differing opinions
    Questioning the PRESIDENTS patriotism and even his eligibility to be president.


    So, who has been running on those issues? Do you have an answer?

    Stuff it!
     
  15. You forgot one:

    Ignorant high schools girls. Hanging out on CP when they should be doing their homework.